Main Discussion about NW pricing and effect on game

Zanir - Lothranis wrote: »

You're talking like you're one of those lazy people who just sad around complaining about not having the gear you wanted while not even putting in an effort to get it yourself. ALL of those people are now thrilled that they can go into an instance, mash a few buttons and *POOF* they now have full sets of "Top-Tier" (to a degree) gear just handed to them.

Was Nirvana overly complicated? No. Did it give you a sense of accomplishment for what you've finally obtained? Sure did.

My wife and I busted hump to get our gear, we basically "finished" our mains to the point we wanted them and have recently started farming for alts. We were one mold away from having the alts finished and this happens.

Sure, we could still finish her gear, but what's the point? So we can go PvP against the Faceroll kiddies who sit out at West Gate? No thanks, too much drama. So we can do more wined TWs? I don't see the fun in that. So we can do Nation Wars 2 nights a week? What happens when we can't make it to that on multiple occasions and lose the ability to "farm"? We're both predominantly PvE players and you can call it snobby, stuck-up, arrogant or whatever but we enjoyed having that separation from the rest of the population. Yes there were people far better geared than we were, but we were happy with what we had and the work we had put into it.

In EVERY MMO there is a separation of players based on gear and in NO MMO has the playing field ever been leveled this quickly and in such a drastic manner. As others have stated (and I've stated earlier in this thread) you do not make anything obsolete, if you want to introduce new content you do it slowly.

I've played a few MMOs now and I will agree with everyone stating that change always happens, it does. But I have NEVER seen gear made so easily accessible, even when things were completely replaced the old, "sub-par" items were still left to be obtained the way they were intended.

To all those ranting about "They better not do a rollback and take away my precious gear!" how the hell do you think those of us that actually FARMED our gear feel? We just had all of that effort we put in over many months taking away in seconds when Nation Wars ended.

I completely agree that things need to get fixed and made easier to get because frankly, there is quite a bit in this game that was overly difficult (in terms of time) to get, but such a drastic change is bad.

Rollback please, fix your mistake, tweak it to accommodate everyone without negating a whole market and aspect of your game. Make people still actually work for their gear, not just hand it to them on a silver platter. Don't want to remove Nirvana drops from the forges completely then re-do the manufacturing cost and make it harder to obtain.

People should NOT be walking away with full sets of "End game" gear from 2 hours worth of work. It's just an asinine idea. That would be like somebody (and we're talking your average joe) going into work one day and being handed a check worth 10 times what he normally makes. "Here Bill, great work, you're complacent, don't do anything to improve your performance, here's a blank check, go get yourself something nice...". It doesn't work that way, in real life and a game you're supposed to work for your stuff. Two hours of PvP isn't "work".

All the people who are happy with this should ask some of the people who have gone to those infamous Private Servers and come back due to it being boring since everyone has everything handed to them.

Zanir - Lothranis wrote: »

You're talking like you're one of those lazy people who just sad around complaining about not having the gear you wanted while not even putting in an effort to get it yourself. ALL of those people are now thrilled that they can go into an instance, mash a few buttons and *POOF* they now have full sets of "Top-Tier" (to a degree) gear just handed to them.

Was Nirvana overly complicated? No. Did it give you a sense of accomplishment for what you've finally obtained? Sure did.

My wife and I busted hump to get our gear, we basically "finished" our mains to the point we wanted them and have recently started farming for alts. We were one mold away from having the alts finished and this happens.

Sure, we could still finish her gear, but what's the point? So we can go PvP against the Faceroll kiddies who sit out at West Gate? No thanks, too much drama. So we can do more wined TWs? I don't see the fun in that. So we can do Nation Wars 2 nights a week? What happens when we can't make it to that on multiple occasions and lose the ability to "farm"? We're both predominantly PvE players and you can call it snobby, stuck-up, arrogant or whatever but we enjoyed having that separation from the rest of the population. Yes there were people far better geared than we were, but we were happy with what we had and the work we had put into it.

In EVERY MMO there is a separation of players based on gear and in NO MMO has the playing field ever been leveled this quickly and in such a drastic manner. As others have stated (and I've stated earlier in this thread) you do not make anything obsolete, if you want to introduce new content you do it slowly.

I've played a few MMOs now and I will agree with everyone stating that change always happens, it does. But I have NEVER seen gear made so easily accessible, even when things were completely replaced the old, "sub-par" items were still left to be obtained the way they were intended.

To all those ranting about "They better not do a rollback and take away my precious gear!" how the hell do you think those of us that actually FARMED our gear feel? We just had all of that effort we put in over many months taking away in seconds when Nation Wars ended.

I completely agree that things need to get fixed and made easier to get because frankly, there is quite a bit in this game that was overly difficult (in terms of time) to get, but such a drastic change is bad.

Rollback please, fix your mistake, tweak it to accommodate everyone without negating a whole market and aspect of your game. Make people still actually work for their gear, not just hand it to them on a silver platter. Don't want to remove Nirvana drops from the forges completely then re-do the manufacturing cost and make it harder to obtain.

People should NOT be walking away with full sets of "End game" gear from 2 hours worth of work. It's just an asinine idea. That would be like somebody (and we're talking your average joe) going into work one day and being handed a check worth 10 times what he normally makes. "Here Bill, great work, you're complacent, don't do anything to improve your performance, here's a blank check, go get yourself something nice...". It doesn't work that way, in real life and a game you're supposed to work for your stuff. Two hours of PvP isn't "work".

All the people who are happy with this should ask some of the people who have gone to those infamous Private Servers and come back due to it being boring since everyone has everything handed to them.

dude2509 wrote: »

@Reliea You're valid in what you say but still if its about coin then we have been lucky, many games out there require you to grind your butt off just to gain a little coin but this place rewards you for BH etc on top of that hmm... Also about forcing PVP no its still your choice to go or not you can always buy off people, coin making there will be other options we just have to give it time.. I notice a lot of people offering refining services, dye services, G16 services, TM, not to mention general merching, farming, BH's and many more.. What happened to the people that used to run full BH for chance of book nopes now the BH boss is closer to the begining nobody bothers.. People that leave all those drops after a run I pick it up like a poor person and gain 100K+ just from that, thats how easy it is to gain coin just everything has been so high recently that people are now worrying... Things balance out as we tighten out belts, think of it as a pw recession until people are more sure and comfotable xD

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Do a tt 3-2, 3-3 run with friends/solo, will take 20 minutes, that is 9 runs. You are bound to get atleast 1 gold mat worth 10m in that run. Usually you get more. I fail to see where the quick, easy part is in making money in vana? Gold mats have a price limit. Yes they do, but they still sell quickly if you sell 50k~1m cheaper than the gold price, and not be a greedy person and charge the chip price or more.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yeah, except that he already did.

In this same thread.

Zanir - Lothranis wrote: »

You're talking like you're one of those lazy people who just stand around complaining about not having the gear you wanted while not even putting in an effort to get it yourself. ALL of those people are now thrilled that they can go into an instance, mash a few buttons and *POOF* they now have full sets of "Top-Tier" (to a degree) gear just handed to them.

Was Nirvana overly complicated? No. Did it give you a sense of accomplishment for what you've finally obtained? Sure did.

My wife and I busted hump to get our gear, we basically "finished" our mains to the point we wanted them and have recently started farming for alts. We were one mold away from having the alts finished and this happens.

Sure, we could still finish her gear, but what's the point? So we can go PvP against the Faceroll kiddies who sit out at West Gate? No thanks, too much drama. So we can do more wined TWs? I don't see the fun in that. So we can do Nation Wars 2 nights a week? What happens when we can't make it to that on multiple occasions and lose the ability to "farm"? We're both predominantly PvE players and you can call it snobby, stuck-up, arrogant or whatever but we enjoyed having that separation from the rest of the population. Yes there were people far better geared than we were, but we were happy with what we had and the work we had put into it.

In EVERY MMO there is a separation of players based on gear and in NO MMO has the playing field ever been leveled this quickly and in such a drastic manner. As others have stated (and I've stated earlier in this thread) you do not make anything obsolete, if you want to introduce new content you do it slowly.

I've played a few MMOs now and I will agree with everyone stating that change always happens, it does. But I have NEVER seen gear made so easily accessible, even when things were completely replaced the old, "sub-par" items were still left to be obtained the way they were intended.

To all those ranting about "They better not do a rollback and take away my precious gear!" how the hell do you think those of us that actually FARMED our gear feel? We just had all of that effort we put in over many months taking away in seconds when Nation Wars ended.

I completely agree that things need to get fixed and made easier to get because frankly, there is quite a bit in this game that was overly difficult (in terms of time) to get, but such a drastic change is bad.

Rollback please, fix your mistake, tweak it to accommodate everyone without negating a whole market and aspect of your game. Make people still actually work for their gear, not just hand it to them on a silver platter. Don't want to remove Nirvana drops from the forges completely then re-do the manufacturing cost and make it harder to obtain.

People should NOT be walking away with full sets of "End game" gear from 2 hours worth of work. It's just an asinine idea. That would be like somebody (and we're talking your average joe) going into work one day and being handed a check worth 10 times what he normally makes. "Here Bill, great work, you're complacent, don't do anything to improve your performance, here's a blank check, go get yourself something nice...". It doesn't work that way, in real life and a game you're supposed to work for your stuff. Two hours of PvP isn't "work".

All the people who are happy with this should ask some of the people who have gone to those infamous Private Servers and come back due to it being boring since everyone has everything handed to them.

stealth123 wrote: »

what about the non aps class?