Main Discussion about NW pricing and effect on game

I see a lot of complains, probably from greedy merchies with thousands and thousands of vana mats, b:laugh, I personally I'm really happy with this change, was annoyed at doing this instance over and over until the hell froze.

Sure that boring instance is now dead, but the good part is that the new content is fun and we can get our beloved nirvana mats for free and in large quantities.

Thanks PWE for this awesome new content and greedy merchies that profited from old vana instance, I just want to say this is perfect retribution.

Yay for new content b:thanks

You do realize that any undergeared toon will get 1-shoot from the random R9+10/12 right?

Nirvana at least gave a chance to everyone getting a decent gear,now these will just make the richer even more richer while the same people will 1-shoot anyone who dares to farm their own money....great thing indeed.

N v N will just be dominated by already rich people, leaving everyone else just dust,yeah Im very happy.

enjoy nivy s3, the rest of us will be r9s3

New content where we get tons of vana mats for killing people? why is everyone complaining? this is freaking epic. I'm never gonna do that boring instance ever again with this update.

And people can easily get g16 vana with this update, this actually helps people that never cash shop, and I believe that a skilled hardworker G16 has a decent chance of taking down even a recasted R9.

Epic, I'm pretty excited about this update, nirvana was already very annoying after the first 300th or 400th time doing it, replacing that lame instance with something like nation wars was the best thing PWE ever did.

If PWI doesn't fix this then the only people I see staying are R9 and up, since anyone cant get nirvy now and the people like me (just bought 150 raps for 217M) are screwed big time.

You do realise you don't have to kill to get the coins right BerserkerBeast, as long as you participate and your nation ends up with some lands you get coins. Ofcourse the ppl doing a lot of killing and flag carry will get more coins. But in two - four nation wars a lvl 60 can get enough vana mats for a G15 wep. Pretty much everyone who participate can get full vana in about 10 nation war runs. Less if you can kill, and carry flags.

Honestly I hated the Nirvana, and on my server so few were doing it that it was hard getting the wepons, I had friends who had all they needed for awakend before they got enough raps to actually make the G15 nirv wep.

if you are gonna complaine on something complaine on the tomes. still with decent kills and decent nation you can get the new wep from scratch in about 13 weeks.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Added a poll for... uhh...

I don't know why, really, but it's there.

Well no option goes for me. Event seems like fun, but I hate reward system. Will wait if they change it soon enough (if ever).

please the last one to leave this game close the door.

It's not just replacing. More like turing PWI into private server with free top gear.

I never profited in nirvana in any way, but I'm not happy with it.

Ceiba - Sanctuary wrote: »

Epic, I'm pretty excited about this update, nirvana was already very annoying after the first 300th or 400th time doing it, replacing that lame instance with something like nation wars was the best thing PWE ever did.

I agree with you that Nirvana was old and boring. But their system for trading Supply Tokens for Raps and Canny is seriously flawed. People on Loth (people with low scores) got upwards of 2500 Uncanny from just the 2 hours in there. That's not an adequate replacement, that's borderline genocide for the game. You do not completely replace an instance in a matter of hours, you do it slowly over time. One thing slowly gets phased out as a new and improved thing gets pushed to the foreground.

People literally got the equivalent (not including cash shopping) of months worth of work just handed to them. That's a recipe for disaster and anyone with even half a brain should be able to see that.

All this great gear floating around now and anyone can go farm their own TT mats for an alt, thus crashing that market further than it already is.

Where does the coin come from now? I don't know about other servers, but on Loth a good majority of it came from Nirvana (Both APS and Caster).

Let's say the average person has 3 alts 100+. All of those alts now have Nirvana gear at least 2nd cast. Where does the coin to refine that come from? Nirv drops are a waste of time farming now and even selling. People are selling Canny for 20k and Raps for 50-60k here.

BH100 can give up to 5m coin, we'll take those 3 100+ alts and give extremely unlikely odds for BH reward. That's 15m coin a day, not counting anything you might NPC from doing base quest, Morai, drops you get in BH, whatever.

Prices on shards and orbs are now going to sky rocket as well, where do those things come from? Packs? How do you buy those if you don't cash shop?

People are focusing on Nirvana as a solitary entity when in reality it fueled more than just it's own market.

If they keep this then we all might as well be playing on a private server with the way things are getting handed out. While they're at it, they should make Dragon orbs a dime a dozen as well. And why not G12 gems, JoSDs and DoTs too? Then everyone can have the same gear and it's all about who can spam a skill combo the fastest and who's got the quickest reaction time for genie skills and apoth.

The whole fun of this game was being able to work for your stuff and finally achieving that goal (be it 5APS, 2nd Cast Nirvana, +10 gear, Full JoSD, whatever).

Hmm, the Devs did make mention of making PvE less APS-centric without nerfing it outright, didnt they?

-The negligible "APS/Accuracy Nerf"
-Abaddon/SoT's new bosses
-That new Anti-APS buff in Warsong, among other things there
-Skill revamps to make skill use more appealing

And now, they've dealt a blow to the most APS-centric instance?
(Though it does affect Caster NV too, that place wouldnt even exist if APS wasnt such a big deal in regular NV)

Personally, I welcome this. As others said, NV3 vs R9.3 isnt that huge of a gap, so if that becomes the new standard, then so be it. Warsong and Lunar will still be pretty popular with all of the new S2s coming into play, so EoD/EoOs will sell nicely, as would weapon/armor molds, and TT will still be there for those wanting to take a cheaper route to NV.
b:pleased

What does bother me somewhat are the more goal-oriented who have been affected by this change. Those who wanted to farm/merchant for S2/S3. This pretty much makes this far too easily obtainable for them and kills of any sense of accomplishment in pursuing that gear...
There's also no instance or PvE activity that requires anything near that level of power, so once that stuff is obtained, what else is there to do but kill others or farm for refines?
b:sad

We are decades behind PWChina gearwise. I'm seeing this as a way they are catching us up.