Petition to Level Restrict Hypers

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This makes me wonder why they can not figure out how the entrance to Lothranis/Momaganon work and apply something similar to FC...from the way it appears to work, one can not enter unless they've reached one of the two Awareness cultivations.

They cant even fix SP. <-- Says enough.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol someone is putting fake votes on No.

holitna, holitna1, holitna2, holitna4, holitna5, holitna6, holitna7

Do you really have to resort to that because you're one of the Plvling noobs who support this habit?

Ofc.. what better way to make people think u can "troll"?


Even if they consider your fix expect to wait couple of years before they attempt to fix/break it. b:victory

level 70 min to use hypers, personally i dont believe that i started using them much before then. ...hmm i must have been a slow leveler took about a year for me to hit 100, however i also did pretty much every single quest that came availabe in my quest log.

As far as the "crafting" thing goes, farmed and made all required items for each of the manufacturing skills, with the exception of the last level of each, that i did buy when the option was added; however i was close on all (60% ish) except craftsman( ornies)


lol....just noticed avatar has wrong level...(102)

I dont think that would be a good idea.
New players need to have a reason to stay, when they gonna see the lvl 105 people and realise they need 6 month to get lvl 70 they will just leave the game.
Many people already go on private server cause think PWI is too ''slow'', if you remove hyper stone to all lvl they gonna loose many new players and some old players who will just go on private server cause people dont want to loose anymore 6-9 months just to lvl a char.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When new people come in, they typically expect there to be high level people. It's not like they are going to join, see a high level and be like < I'm not high level immediately?!? Raggggeee Quit. And the people that would do that, for a game that has been around years, are the kind of people who won't learn their class. And this game can frankly do with less of them. And it doesn't take 6 months to get to lvl 70. It takes like...2 without FC. Especially with the addition of the tideborn quests, and the new Earth Guard ones. What's making a lot of people leave right now is that they log in, and see nothing and no one for a really long time.

When was the last time you tried to lvl a alt normally? Without multi-client, without hyper?
There's less and less new players, at lvl 1-40 with quest its easy, but for someone who can play around 2-4 hours that can take few days-weeks, than after lvl 40 quests really dont give a lot of exp and they are more long (not more hard but u need kill more and more mobs for less and less exp), when was the last time you tried to do a bh 29-39-51-59-69-79-89, without your main or friend of your main? Sometime i see the same person world chat for 3-4 hours too get people just to do a bh59 (or w/e which one) and often that finish by fail cause no tank or no cleric.

I challenge you to lvl a char 1-75 in 2 months without hyper, without multi with your main, without ask the friends of your main to help you, without using any money of ur main for gears pots or w/e, gl find people for bh, gl find people for the boss u need for culti. I can tell you, you will give up around lvl 55 when you realise that no one help low lvl with bh (so many dailies at high lvl i dont blame them). Cause now there's not 500 news players everday who join the game on each server, create a new char for fun and when you gonna log check how many people gonna be around you, if you are lucky maybe 1 other blue name and really lucky 2 max.

When the game started all started at lvl 1 and was doing the same thing, quests and ppl was doing friendsquest everyday to get a 15k exp cause that was a lot back in time.

Yes the people who power lvl 1-100 in 2 weeks is a ''problem'' but to make people dont be able to hyper at low lvl is not the solution, people cannot enter in nirvy before lvl 100 well they should just do the same with fc, with tele stone u can tele at lvl 75, well they just need put a npc guy (or girl xD) in front the cave and if less than lvl 75 cannot enter.

P.s: When you started to play, the first char you maked, you got lvl 70 after 2 months without hyper? If you say yes than you prolly a new player who enjoyed 3 bh a day and spend 10 hours a day in game. when i started to play that game wasnt 3 bh a day and all that ****, but now it exist so i dont think they should remove it.

ShamandaIie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And again, that's 2 months of doing 3 BH quests which let's say with a squad your level will take anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour to do the whole thing. Then you need to do world quest which will take an hour or longer if your flyer is slow as hell, and then any other daily which is the same old go to x mob kill 20 of them and turn it in.

Nothing there that would teach anyone how to play their class, as I said with gear being as cheap as it is now. There is no challenge and the game doesn't provide anything to do in the early or mid levels that isn't dominated by already existing high leveled people. So people are forced to get on for at least 3 hours a day every day for 2 months before they can even start participating in anything and actually stand a chance in w/e event they decide to participate in. What's the point in that, exactly?

Also there just aren't new players coming in, and that's not because of all the high levels or anything. The game just doesn't interest people anymore, as far as F2P games go now it's graphics are outdated, game-play is outdated and the community sucks and it has no staff activity.
I'm all for ideas to improve the game but the restriction of hypers till xx level is like saying "This is the game, you will start having a bit of fun at this level. But first we need you to play for 2-3 hours every single day for a month or two before you can have fun."

@ShamandaIie :Hun, more than 2-3 hours a day, take 2-3 hours JUST to find a squad for low lvl bh and in a bh39 when often they give u herc first u need to reset the cave and do it again to get calcid so low lvl bh take more than 30 minutes, so unless people dont have life and spend 10 hours in game to quests, its take's more than 2 months to lvl 1-100 without hyper. So after lvl 40 it take more than 1 day to get 1 lvl and if its the person is lucky enough get a squad for bh 3 time.

@to the people who are againt hyp at low lvl: I lvled all my chars the old school way, cleric 102, cleric 101, wizz 101, veno 94.
My wizz is my most recent i did quested on her (i didnt FC before lvl 75 cause i didnt wanted power lvl i wanted take time to learn how play wizz), and i can tell you that if it wasnt that i used multi to do my bh cause i wasnt able find any squad for any bh, trust me after 5 days in a row that u dont get a squad for bh when looking for one for 2-3 hours each day,any normal human will give up, ill would still be lvl 60 max. I play the game to have fun and i have a life, i donthave 4 hours to waste to stand at bh guy asking for squad for bh39. (if you do have 4 hours a day to waste for that GG to you)

So after lvl 4 chars the old ******* way i dont want waste 5 months to lvl my new one, so yea i did hyper while questing, but you know what? At least that proove i quest and majority of people againt hyp at low lvl are prolly new recent player cause i sarted to play when wasnt 3 bh a day and i was questing and i can tell you that you become to have done all your quests so all u got to do is wait a other day for bh and just grind on mobs fro **** exp, but u guys new players didnt knew that to grind mobs for exp, cause you all ''power'' lvl with the 3 bh and didnt done all the quests.

bouriz wrote: »

Too late to vote but I agree that hypers should be level restricted, though 80 is pretty high. Speaking from experience, meaning I've power-leveled. Yes I have figured out my sin quite well but I still don't know the toon as well as i know my veno, which i didn't p-level. It really isn't that hard to level.

Another benefit to this is that truly new players that are just coming into the game will actually get to see people in the starter areas doing quests. It could encourage them to stay with the game, thereby increasing the amount of players that do know their class. People that want to cash shop their gear will do so whether it takes them 2 weeks to get to 100 or 6 months. Increasing the player base in this way could potentially increase money for the company.

We would also get those people who forever failed (who in the recent year got around that by the ridiculous sales and leveling bugs) spam killing low levels cause they realised cheating to get to the top isn't the same and being the best and doesn't make for a good game so they now need to justify to themselves that they're "pro" to stay in the game

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

When was the last time you tried to lvl a alt normally? Without multi-client, without hyper?
There's less and less new players, at lvl 1-40 with quest its easy, but for someone who can play around 2-4 hours that can take few days-weeks, than after lvl 40 quests really dont give a lot of exp and they are more long (not more hard but u need kill more and more mobs for less and less exp), when was the last time you tried to do a bh 29-39-51-59-69-79-89, without your main or friend of your main? Sometime i see the same person world chat for 3-4 hours too get people just to do a bh59 (or w/e which one) and often that finish by fail cause no tank or no cleric.

I challenge you to lvl a char 1-75 in 2 months without hyper, without multi with your main, without ask the friends of your main to help you, without using any money of ur main for gears pots or w/e, gl find people for bh, gl find people for the boss u need for culti. I can tell you, you will give up around lvl 55 when you realise that no one help low lvl with bh (so many dailies at high lvl i dont blame them). Cause now there's not 500 news players everday who join the game on each server, create a new char for fun and when you gonna log check how many people gonna be around you, if you are lucky maybe 1 other blue name and really lucky 2 max.

When the game started all started at lvl 1 and was doing the same thing, quests and ppl was doing friendsquest everyday to get a 15k exp cause that was a lot back in time.

Yes the people who power lvl 1-100 in 2 weeks is a ''problem'' but to make people dont be able to hyper at low lvl is not the solution, people cannot enter in nirvy before lvl 100 well they should just do the same with fc, with tele stone u can tele at lvl 75, well they just need put a npc guy (or girl xD) in front the cave and if less than lvl 75 cannot enter.

P.s: When you started to play, the first char you maked, you got lvl 70 after 2 months without hyper? If you say yes than you prolly a new player who enjoyed 3 bh a day and spend 10 hours a day in game. when i started to play that game wasnt 3 bh a day and all that ****, but now it exist so i dont think they should remove it.

quoted for harsh truth :P

Also, if what OP suggested happens, get ready for massive QQ to GM to compensate those ppl who werent hypered their toons before this happens.
GM should deleved all those ppl who have hypered before!

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

@ShamandaIie :Hun, more than 2-3 hours a day, take 2-3 hours JUST to find a squad for low lvl bh and in a bh39 when often they give u herc first u need to reset the cave and do it again to get calcid so low lvl bh take more than 30 minutes, so unless people dont have life and spend 10 hours in game to quests, its take's more than 2 months to lvl 1-100 without hyper. So after lvl 40 it take more than 1 day to get 1 lvl and if its the person is lucky enough get a squad for bh 3 time.

@to the people who are againt hyp at low lvl: I lvled all my chars the old school way, cleric 102, cleric 101, wizz 101, veno 94.
My wizz is my most recent i did quested on her (i didnt FC before lvl 75 cause i didnt wanted power lvl i wanted take time to learn how play wizz), and i can tell you that if it wasnt that i used multi to do my bh cause i wasnt able find any squad for any bh, trust me after 5 days in a row that u dont get a squad for bh when looking for one for 2-3 hours each day,any normal human will give up, ill would still be lvl 60 max. I play the game to have fun and i have a life, i donthave 4 hours to waste to stand at bh guy asking for squad for bh39. (if you do have 4 hours a day to waste for that GG to you)

So after lvl 4 chars the old ******* way i dont want waste 5 months to lvl my new one, so yea i did hyper while questing, but you know what? At least that proove i quest and majority of people againt hyp at low lvl are prolly new recent player cause i sarted to play when wasnt 3 bh a day and i was questing and i can tell you that you become to have done all your quests so all u got to do is wait a other day for bh and just grind on mobs fro **** exp, but u guys new players didnt knew that to grind mobs for exp, cause you all ''power'' lvl with the 3 bh and didnt done all the quests.

Do you want to know why you wait 4 hours standing at BH guy asking for squad? Because hyper noobs just rush through in FCC and don't bother with BH. There's few real new players left, ironic isn't it?

Restrict level to enter FCC, good idea too. All I know is there's plenty of ways to get exp now, and the only reason it is slow for anybody is because everyone is hyper noobing and the problem is simply that there is no one to BH, Phoenix, or Rebirth with.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Do you want to know why you wait 4 hours standing at BH guy asking for squad? Because hyper noobs just rush through in FCC and don't bother with BH. There's few real new players left, ironic isn't it?

Restrict level to enter FCC, whatever. All I know is that the "old" way isn't there anymore - there's plenty of ways to level now that the trip to 100 is not nearly as long as before.

Define hyper n00bs.

Game is way to far gone for this to have any positive effect.

Paulrogers - Harshlands wrote: »

You can't change something like this now that it's been around cause that's just unfair to the people who missed out they aren't playing on even ground with those who got to do it, I mean look how **** pwi has turned cause of the goon glitch its the same deal.

I always fail to understand how the "acquired advantages" theory is an argument. It's not because X had the opportunity to lvl faster, that Y should lvl just as fast. Maybe a misplaced comparaison, but it's the main retirement arguement : my grandpa got it with 45 contribution years, so I should too even if it destroys the whole country, they don't have the right to take that away from me.

Why not say the opposite : my 1st toon didn't have bh before 80s, exp fcc at 90s and hypers as boutique item only also around 90s, so everyone must go through that same slow lvling system on their 1st toon.

Besides, pwi never had a problem to take things away. A few counter examples to your goon glitch issue :
- 11* and 12* orbsale
- medal of glory being taken out of the dq rewards
- medal of glory being stopped as bulk packs with discount

Maybe it would be a good idea to revise the rewards of the old quests or something. The main reason for me to take out hypers isn't really that ppl are lvl100+ to fast, but it's that 90% of the map is dead. I just want to see ppl do different things at different places again.

It's too late to put a restriction on hypers. It's already been out and advertised without a level restriction. Although I agree with the OP, I voted no, because it won't happen and we all know it.
Besides, isn't this how PWI gets most of their money? High lvls buying thousands of hypers for their low lvl alts and grinding/FCC? b:surrender

IronCleric - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's too late to put a restriction on hypers. It's already been out and advertised without a level restriction. Although I agree with the OP, I voted no, because it won't happen and we all know it.
Besides, isn't this how PWI gets most of their money? High lvls buying thousands of hypers for their low lvl alts and grinding/FCC? b:surrender

Hypers come from tokens anyway, while it does come from packs, even if Hypers were removed from the game there would still be a token demand..

Don't you think PWI would make more money if people stayed at their level a little longer and actually had to farm TT or run rebirth? That's burning charm and refining 7x-8x gear at least a little right?

This is a great idea if you want to have a lot of people leave the game at one simultaneous time.