Petition to Level Restrict Hypers

_Petal_ - Harshlands

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually, if you're stacking properly, this isn't usually an issue.

My vote is no Hypers until 90, no FCC until 80, and no BH's until the 60's. Hell, people don't even do PQ anymore unless it's zhenning to level a toon.

....marry me. b:dirty

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Mixed opinions I see. Mostly those against it realize nothing will probably be done or dont appreciate the point of a MMO.

Abocanhadora - Dreamweaver

I voted yes but even if anything its meant too happen... it should had been done 6 months ago.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mixed opinions I see. Mostly those against it realize nothing will probably be done or dont appreciate the point of a MMO.

Yup and by your pretty lvl 105 you prolly one of those who abused the game using goon glitch for lvl 105 the easy way beside to do the normal way, so you prolly dont appreciate MMO as mush as you claim or you have no life and spend 24/7 in the game.

People are not stupid (well a bunch are but not all), if hyper are set to lvl 75+ all they gonna do its to use oracle to lvl to 75 for hyper, so what you gonna do after? Remove oracle? They even give oracle at low lvl in supply stash.

The problem is not the hyper itself, its people who hyper FC from lvl 1 to 100.

Some people are bored and just want to play a other class and dont want bother to quests cause they already done it on prolly one char or two, they play since 3-4 years the same game so i dont think that the fact they want power lvl is cause they dont like MMO, but more because they already put a lot of time in that game (years) and just want have fun by playing a other class high lvl.

@VenusArmani: About endless universe people dont do it cause majority are already R8+ or the player lvl 95-99 plan to be R8 and know that the stuf in that cave is not as good as whats already existing, well im from HL which is PVP so yea we basicly dont care about slaying warding lvl change nothing for PVP & TW. So about that cave i dont blame the players, i blame pwi to make a new cave with **** stuff in it, if they want make a new cave with new gears (for lvl 95+) well they should think to put gears better than what already exist.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

The problem is not the hyper itself, its people who hyper FC from lvl 1 to 100.

That's exactly my point. The problem is the mentality of people. If you deny them hyper FCC until a certain level, they will find others way to rush.

Sure, such a restriction would have been a good idea when hypers were introduced. But as it stands now, it's a **** idea. People won't go back to questing and doing BH with same leveld players unless you remove all ways to powerlevel. And after that, see how many players you got left.

Kasira - Harshlands

Seeing as you can't teleport into fc until you're lvl75, they could just change it so you can't even go in through the door until you're 75.

I think anything would be too little too late now, however. The clueless hyper failures are everywhere and we're kind of stuck with them.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Anyway a petition is useless, even if all voted yes, a petition have no value.

ShamandaIie - Heavens Tear

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mixed opinions I see. Mostly those against it realize nothing will probably be done or dont appreciate the point of a MMO.

Jen, dear
I'm all for improving the MMO feel about this, but you need to fix problems in a proper order. Even Run and escape's got a more interesting quest system than PWI. If you're going to make it harder to level then first you need content to keep the low and mid levels interesting, THEN you restrict the pace at which people level.

I've just tried making an alt 2 weeks ago with the intention of leveling it with just quests and I managed 3 days but then it just got so incredibly boring. There's no new content to keep it interesting, the weapons provided through stash boxes and with how cheap they are to obtain (and those mold weapons you get from divine quests..) make the game incredibly easy.

MMO's are supposed to give you an adventurous feeling to them, but in PW you get a quest, you hit "Q" you click on the mob's name, kill mobs and then go to NPC. Turn it in and repeat. You don't even have to LOOK for the mobs, let alone go through some puzzles or dungeons where the terrain actually affects the game play to get to said mobs or bosses.

Fix problem A, then fix problem B. Fixing problem B first will only make problem A that much more of an issue.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

That's exactly my point. The problem is the mentality of people. If you deny them hyper FCC until a certain level, they will find others way to rush.

Sure, such a restriction would have been a good idea when hypers were introduced. But as it stands now, it's a **** idea. People won't go back to questing and doing BH with same leveld players unless you remove all ways to powerlevel. And after that, see how many players you got left.

What the hell are you talking about? "Everyone leave now because we can't lv alts to 10x in a few weeks anymore! No point in playing!!!"

Yes I suppose all people do in MMOs is rush multiple chars to 100 right.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

What the hell are you talking about? "Everyone leave now because we can't lv alts to 10x in a few weeks anymore! No point in playing!!!"

Yes I suppose all you do in MMOs is rush to 100 right.

You totally didn't get what I was saying.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Nope I got your point. If people don't have hypers at low levels they'd use oracles (because that's totally as cost effective right? Then again I would just go back to selling them)

I was simply responding to this

People won't go back to questing and doing BH with same leveld players unless you remove all ways to powerlevel. And after that, see how many players you got left.

Saethos - Raging Tide

Yes, let's support pack buyers that get tons of tokens turned into oracles...

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

@VenusArmani: About endless universe people dont do it cause majority are already R8+ or the player lvl 95-99 plan to be R8 and know that the stuf in that cave is not as good as whats already existing, well im from HL which is PVP so yea we basicly dont care about slaying warding lvl change nothing for PVP & TW. So about that cave i dont blame the players, i blame pwi to make a new cave with **** stuff in it, if they want make a new cave with new gears (for lvl 95+) well they should think to put gears better than what already exist.

15 minutes=20 free mirages or an old book page or yeah, maybe some armor you won't be using. I've got a pretty decent size stack of mirages saved from that though. To each his own. And I can definitely see the problems on PvP servers. But the point wasn't that Endless Universe is a good instance. The point was the it's hard to find squads for Endless Universe, despite the fact that there are a TON of people in that level range. It's because nobody is doing it. Lunar is another example. It's given for BH every so often, there are a ton of level 100 people. But nobody is running it because there are better options available. There is no way to fairly make the lower instances good enough that someone would be fine with very slowly hitting 100. It would also be a much worse blow to people who are veterans.

So if you can't make that better than 100, you gotta make it so those things are better than the alternative. Disabling hypers and enforcing the cap on FC would make BH the next best option to level. So that is what anyone within that level range and with half a brain would do. They would then need gear to run these BHs. So TT would be active again. And yes, the people with tons of spare coin who absolutely do not want to level their alt can still use oracles. Even that might be more interesting on a PvP server, as it would put people on the world map again, even if only in that one spot.

As for EU and other instances some don't think are worth running. Those can be fixed by giving better rewards, or removing some of the unreasonable barriers for entry. Such as Lunar's fee.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

I was simply responding to this

I'm not even one of those people. I like to take my time leveling and learning the class.

But let's face it: So many people aren't. I'm afraid that the vast majority of the old players that were here in 2009 and used to play this game have quit. And that the main core that is left is a bunch of spoiled hyper babies. I just don't think it would work out very well.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

@VenusArmani:

People do what they need with the time they have, there's so many dialies now, majority of people i know have 2-3 chars lvl 100, myself include.

People need to do dailies on many chars which mean normaly bh (4 bh for 2 chars), morai quests (on 2 chars again, once a week do the weekly normally the monday), do GBQ everyday on both chars, the event of the day (tiger, coa, jungle etc..), trials, cube, OHT, wedding quest, TW etc etc, i personnally give up to do on 3 chars that was taking too much time, so yea basicly endless universe is the last thing i wanna do in game, when i got a bit of free time after all dailies i prefer go PvP.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

@VenusArmani:

People do what they need with the time they have, there's so many dialies now, majority of people i know have 2-3 chars lvl 100, myself include.

People need to do dailies on many chars which mean normaly bh (4 bh for 2 chars), morai quests (on 2 chars again, once a week do the weekly normally the monday), do GBQ everyday on both chars, the event of the day (tiger, coa, jungle etc..), trials, cube, OHT, wedding quest, TW etc etc, i personnally give up to do on 3 chars that was taking too much time, so yea basicly endless universe is the last thing i wanna do in game, when i got a bit of free time after all dailies i prefer go PvP.

If Endless Universe gave you as good of rewards as BH 1 or gave you a really nice chunk of Prestige/Influence would you do it at least once a week though? Would you do the Lunar BH if they removed the 3 million coin fee for people with a BH ticket, if farming it too much is what they are so concerned about? I personally would do it even more (I do it a couple of times a week atm) if they had better prizes, or if it gave prestige/influence. Not enough to completely replace the dailies, but enough so that they would be worth doing.

Would you like open world PK to come back in more areas? For example, if people were doing oracles. And someone killed your lowbie and you got your main. Then they got their faction. Then you got your faction. That kind of thing seems like it would be a lot of fun personally. Just thinking of ways to make it better. It's not like any of this will ever happen.

OIdpop - Heavens Tear

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hyper Stones.... One of the many reasons things don't get done.Setting a level limit on it would make players level their class like it used to be. Which would allow newer players more fun to enjoy since not all of them can afford these amazing powerlevels without swiping the creditcard and then get bored and leave. Sure people say this game is "dead" it's not there yet but i agree it is heading there due to bad management, however the playerbase is making it worse by continuing this pattern.

My proposed solution. Make Hyper stones have a level requirement of at least 80. That gets rid of the "O lets EXP farm elsewhere" for people saying remove hypering from FF. Getting to 80 these days without FC is easy as hell already and forces people to BH and Crazystone etc to level. Which then will make them require gear for their level which will in-turn have people farming TTs and other things which will help keep the playerbase from being completely bored and also "teach them how to play their class" in a challenging instance. While keeping the High EXP ouput FF useable for higher levels which still helps feed your wallets.





What are your thoughts. Added a Timed poll to this simple yes or no. And if yes but disagree on the level it should be set then recommend a level and why. If not say why.

Poll Results are Public you can see votes here.

Reasons not to say no.

I'm a Plvler and its my only source of income. FIND SOMETHING ELSE its not hard.

lol..you know abotu swiping CC and being 105..right.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If Endless Universe gave you as good of rewards as BH 1 or gave you a really nice chunk of Prestige/Influence would you do it at least once a week though? Would you do the Lunar BH if they removed the 3 million coin fee for people with a BH ticket, if farming it too much is what they are so concerned about? I personally would do it even more (I do it a couple of times a week atm) if they had better prizes, or if it gave prestige/influence. Not enough to completely replace the dailies, but enough so that they would be worth doing.

Would you like open world PK to come back in more areas? For example, if people were doing oracles. And someone killed your lowbie and you got your main. Then they got their faction. Then you got your faction. That kind of thing seems like it would be a lot of fun personally. Just thinking of ways to make it better. It's not like any of this will ever happen.

20 mirages is not as good as 55 mirage, 2 extacy cards or a excitement card ijs. Yes i agree if endless was giving prestige and influence a bunch of people would do it daily for sure but its not the case atm.

I don't know about the other server but on HL people have the PvP spot and even if there's a couple of moron lvl 100+ killing low lvl its not a majority and not at quest or oracles place, its more around the PvP spot like around silver pool and orchid temple.

At low lvl a rarelly got pked cause im not stupid and dont go play around high PvP spot, if a high lvl is enough stupid too hunt and pk low lvl at oracle place he will prolly get pk by a main and im not sure his faction will approve that he pk low lvl, cause on HL even the biggest RPK faction ask their players to try to dont pk lowest lvl than them for keep a good reputation and if a lvl 105 hunt a low lvl place ill just laught at him and for some reasons people think that after pk someone who quests more than 3 times they got banned so generally anyway they dont chain pk a person who quest more than 3 times.

Generally when someone ask help for PvP in a faction, people will ask 2 questions: where and agains who, so if the person answer pirate or spider place (oracles) people will prolly tell him to leave low lvl alone.

To be honest im someone who love PvP but not with my chars under lvl 100, i hate use SL and i dont want spend 100m in dolls, so i majority use my lvl 100+ since i bound my gears or they are automaticly bound like TT99 or other, so at low lvl i avoid PvP.

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear

I say level cap up to 150 b:lipcurl

MrBeBo - Heavens Tear

WTB [Friends] and a [Life]

Paulrogers - Harshlands

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I say level cap up to 150 b:lipcurl

Think about how hard it was for you to get 105 even when cheating, 150 is wayyy to high sir

ResMePls - Heavens Tear

Why is thread still here? D0 pe0ple actually care ab0ut this stuff?

doitmuku

its absolutly UNFAIR to newcomer.. vote no for lvl restrict on hyper...

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

doitmuku wrote: »

its absolutly UNFAIR to newcomer.. vote no for lvl restrict on hyper...

For a newcomer hypers are very expensive anyways. This is about money. If you don't CS or take your time to be merchant (which could involve CS because you need money to get money...) you won't get the precious red stones.

Edit: Damn it, I am still lvl 100

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Remove hypers, FC, BH, dailies, genies, PV, OP gears, problem solved b:bye

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

Remove hypers, FC, BH, dailies, genies, PV, OP gears, problem solved b:bye

Yulk is here, this thread is lost.b:shocked

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yulk is here, this thread is lost.b:shocked

This thread was lost long ago Fail_Seeker b:laugh

_Petal_ - Harshlands

I'm sorry, but begging on WC for a single BH 51 for many hours on end is starting to agitate me. This is ridiculous. When my Psychic was 6x, these sorts of squads you could sit in center Archosaur and ask a couple times, and bam---you had a squad. Even when it wasn't that fabulous of a squad, we at least got to learn how our classes worked, and how we complimented one another in instances.

I'd rather see hypers extended to out of my reach, than have to sit here, spending money on Tele's when I could be saving up for gear or skills instead. I don't remember leveling being this painstakingly annoying when I first played this game.....

But I wouldn't restrict Hypers. I'd restrict FC. The instance doesn't open for you if someone in squad is lower than 75. They made it that way for a reason.

Yulk_owns - Lost City

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm sorry, but begging on WC for a single BH 51 for many hours on end is starting to agitate me. This is ridiculous. When my Psychic was 6x, these sorts of squads you could sit in center Archosaur and ask a couple times, and bam---you had a squad. Even when it wasn't that fabulous of a squad, we at least got to learn how our classes worked, and how we complimented one another in instances.

I'd rather see hypers extended to out of my reach, than have to sit here, spending money on Tele's when I could be saving up for gear or skills instead. I don't remember leveling being this painstakingly annoying when I first played this game.....

But I wouldn't restrict Hypers. I'd restrict FC. The instance doesn't open for you if someone in squad is lower than 75. They made it that way for a reason.

What? Why don't people multiclient for BH? Are they dumb and lazy or something? Seriously, BH51? Trolololololollolololololing. I faceroll there solo with a 6x char....

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

What? Why don't people multiclient for BH? Are they dumb and lazy or something? Seriously, BH51? Trolololololollolololololing. I faceroll there solo with a 6x char....

People who want to restric hyper are people who soon will ask to remove multi-client allowed cause QQ its not right to solo our own bh in multi-client we kill the game by power lvl.