How do you feel about the free-PVP in SP?
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Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »So far in terms of PvP, this is turning out really well. I've seen tons of people who have never been white name, show up to SP for faction v faction fights, and others are joining in on it as well.
In terms of killing low levels, on HT, there's only a seldom few people that will kill everyone they can (padding kill count). Anyone so far who has asked to be left alone because they are questing, and not opened their mouth acting like a child, has been left alone (unless one of those FEW people are there). This includes Enrage members.
I really do wonder how some people are dying 8 times consecutively..kind of curious as to how wide your vocabulary of slander is to be killed that much :S
Soon less and less people will be PKing here..as most people are just trying it out for the luls. Though, its funny how lately there have been needing their culti. Makes me think people are just BSing to cause QQ and try to get attention or something.
Keep it the way it is in SP, or just give us the arena.
One thing though, is its not fun to kill someone and not have damage log show up. Make it so that they dont instantly get teled out, or just dont get teled out at all.
We are not allowed to name and shame on the forums, but just the other night someone was calling for help to get Enrage out of Secret Passage because they were killing lowbies. And I'm so happy you haven't had to deal with the BS of friends dying 3 and 4 times trying to help a lowbie with dismal or shade Eido in there before the lowbie says **** it and logs off. Nobody is saying everyone is being a jerk in SP, but some people are(including a number from Enrage and Golddiggers quite frankly). Also the whole, it'll calm down is ****, I've quit other games where there was a required pvp instance on a pve server, it doesn't stop with time(fyi, that games proprietor eventually went out of business). And everyone is not left alone, besides the random aoe one-shots people are going further in and killing lowbies doing their quests. I initially thought people aren't aware of it happening, now i'm starting to believe that the PVP'ers are just too happy with one-shotting lowbies to give a ****. Oh and i've been killed on 90 plus and below 40 both. Level doesn't matter, and people who used to spend 5-10 minutes inside getting a boss or quest are now spending 30 minutes to an hour per quest. Also I and my wife both have alts that need Silver Frost, I have 3 friends that need Silver Frost and factionmates that will soon need Silver Frost. That's not including all the other quests or BH's in there. b:angry0 -
WELL THERE Is 1 thing they shoulda thought of B$ they NERFED SP for all the newer (player's/character's)...
They shoulda just gave all the characters that need quests in there, FULL credit: In (EXP/REP/ESTIMATED drop value: in coin) from combat, in lump sum deposits too the characters stats, and just dropped the quest requirements in there all together, b4 they switched it over...b:thanks
atleast the FB/BH29 are still teleportable for the newer characters, that is if peaple haven't alraeady found a way to hang around the port in area for the FB and somehow figured out how to SNIPE the porters as they port in... b:surrender
You do get stuck momentarily in the doorway so the mobs can hit you and if the mobs can I would assume a player could as well.0 -
The devs are always stupid but to my knowledge they have never done anything that forced harassment on their players, and for that at least they still had some of my respect.
Not anymore.
(Well, guess they have a little respect since they have done everything wrong that I can possibly think of and the game is still running...)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Karen_Divine - Sanctuary wrote: »Well so far no one I know has had an issue they just ask nicely to not be pked xD. As for the high levels that kill lowbies on sight it just shows how pitiful they are. b:laugh
I'm glad your friends are lucky, but mine are not. Also I've taken my archer in the first room of Sanc 3 times and never made it out of the first room, last time i didn't take more than 2 steps out of safe zone. The high levels are pitiful, but clearly will not stop being pitiful on their own.0 -
Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »^
Keep same concept, move it elsewhere.
Sadistic Glee has been mentinned more then once. Someone asked if it's safe where you spawn in. Yes it is. Not sure it's called a "safe zone" but mobs aren,t close enough to bother anyone. As for : "Would mobs interrupt the PvPing in there ?" They are lvl 8x mobs, I do not see them as any threat to lvl 100's wanting to have fun in there.
And then of course, revert "original" SP to how it was..
+1 100x's.. Sadistic Glee would be perfect... There are no mobs when you first walk in. There are 2 rougueknight thingys when you go up the ramp. There are 3 quests in there around level 80ish.. To kill the rogueknight things.. talk to Little Lin, kill that parasitic braves and then of course the water and fire orbs. The knights are in the entrance and respawn rather quickly. The parasitics are just past the knights and also respawn quickly. Little Lin is in the first room to the right and the bosses all the way to the back. There are SOOOOO many big rooms in there and several different ways to get to the back.. that i would HOPE..hahaha.. that people would be able to quest. As far as the mobs.. Easy killing.. yeah the respawn quickly but there agro isnt the greatest.. you run from them and they reset rather swiftly.0 -
BaldwinBoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »There will be a lag in the votes of those strongly supporting this move as they are presently in SP picking on lowbies b:laugh
So, true...
I hope it goes back the way it was, it is totally unfair for new players and I imagine demoralising0 -
personally I dont mind it. i like it actually.
as long people does not kill the low lvls.. when i was standing there yesterday the low lvls was apssing through.. ofc some could die to an aoe.. but not 1v1 targeted.105 - 105 - 105 (14th march 2014)
Join date: November 2008 - HT.0 -
Heartz - Dreamweaver wrote: »personally I dont mind it. i like it actually.
as long people does not kill the low lvls.. when i was standing there yesterday the low lvls was apssing through.. ofc some could die to an aoe.. but not 1v1 targeted.
Some people are camping quest spots such as the Wheel of Earth or Shade Eido. While alot of pk is happening in the first room that's not all the pk. Also how much would you like to get one-shotted by a random aoe 2 or 3 times on your way to the quest, how many minutes does that add to how long the quest takes for a lowbie with no mount and usually only a base speed flier if that.0 -
Reading debate on this topic is somewhat disheartening from some. While I am happy to give players 5k to stone in, there are quests, Wheel of Fate (?) that have to be done in Secret Passage and Silver Frost in the Wraith's ploy series.
In regards to the total BS, that if a player says please don't kill me or something similar, they will not be PK ~ this, I can only imagine derives from fantastical guilt rationalisations of those high level, R9 wearing individuals who seem to gain great pleasure from killing low level players. How can a level 40-41 play even get the opportunity to say, I am doing a quest, when they are one hit? As others have said, the newer players (in my faction, two clerics), have been killed over and over again.
As suggested, I also think this is a cultural issue. I am one of those nerds, that likes to do all quests, try all instances. I see little point in racing towards endgame, what for? Hence, the 'who cares about quests' (or loosing exp), just level in zhen or FC attitude, well what challenge is there?0 -
ive not been playing long and I enjoy the game, Ive got a quest log full of quests that take me in to this area, and I cant go now. (I can only accept so may quests at a time I found out, and am close to dumping the ones that take me in to SP, but I hate to do this in case they are needed to be completed for one reason or another at a later date). Im told I can go in through the illusion stone, but Im not sure which area I need to go to to get to the chests I need, or the various bosses I need to be able to get to. Ive gone through I dont know how much money trying to figure this out with no luck. Ive tried the PvP games (aka PK games) and Im not a fan. Nothing worse then spending an hour or more trying to get to your final destination only to have some idiot 50 levels higher then you come up from behind and take you out with a one hit kill and have to start over again. Make an area just for this for those that want this (why are they not already playing on a PK server?) and let the rest of us that just want something casual to enjoy alone.0
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I hate PvP0
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Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »that's terrible logic. They are crying over a change that ToS says can happen and calling it wrong. I'm simply stating that such changes are allowed.and.crying will do nothing. Our opinions as players don't, and shouldn't, matter to the devs because A) this is a business, not a democracy. And
the devs are in China and therefore generally disregard the opinions of westerners.
A paying customer's opinion on a product shouldn't matter? I certainly hope you never open up a business. Yes, they should take the opinions of their customers seriously especially in the ever changing world of video games. Sony didn't listen to it's customers about wanting a quality device that didn't cost an arm and a leg, and now XBOX and Wii has outsold them completely despite going into the race as the dominant console. Now they added more innovative controls, lowered the price, and included the darn cable to hookup to HD tvs and are doing better. Yet their continued and total lack of care for their customers has caused them be given an F rating, earned them a lawsuit and cost them millions of dollars not to mention being attacked. They ended up having to hire a guy who worked for the department of homeland security (who certainly didn't come cheap) and ask forgiveness from their customers. Obviously they were big enough to recover, but I'm sure it's an experience they don't want to repeat. I'm sure they would love to regain their position as the number one console gaming provider. Just because it's a business doesn't mean you should completely ignore what your customer wants, or your customer will take their business to someone who will give them what they want.
Although, I certainly don't think this is issue is going kill PWE, they should beware of the path they are taking to make this game increasingly more hostile to new players with their changes. You have to satisfy old and new customers. Only by leaving feedback do they really understand what the customer wants and can improve their products. Feedback is absolutely necessary for companies to thrive, and some companies even base whether or not they release a product based off feedback from just a handful of people in focus groups.
Also the user interface still says they can't be PKed under the level 30, which is completely false.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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To put it in simple trems for those who don't under stand. If people who use Player versus environment don't use the PK button in SP I feel they shouldn't be elegible targets for any BoZo who want to PK everything in the room. I feel those who want to partisapate in such things should take it to another spot to allow those who enjoy the Player versus environment to play through and not use them for target practice. Just to get the red lettering on their name for killing everyone in the room. The is unjust for all the low levels who have to do quests in this area and they are not supposed to be elegible targets. I think this decision sould be reversed back to the way it was.0
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Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »that's terrible logic. They are crying over a change that ToS says can happen and calling it wrong. I'm simply stating that such changes are allowed.and.crying will do nothing. Our opinions as players don't, and shouldn't, matter to the devs because A) this is a business, not a democracy. And the devs are in China and therefore generally disregard the opinions of westerners.
Just because society says something is ok, doesnt make it so.
Use your head and think for yourself.
there is a pretty strong line between right and wrong.
Think about it.
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I'm glad your friends are lucky, but mine are not. Also I've taken my archer in the first room of Sanc 3 times and never made it out of the first room, last time i didn't take more than 2 steps out of safe zone. The high levels are pitiful, but clearly will not stop being pitiful on their own.
Ya know? i am right there with ya on the lucky friends. lol
and i agree about the pitiflul comment, though the ones i know are awesome!
it is unfortunate that some ruin the rep for others just over their power trips.
I am enjoying being a 57 tank. (still in training).
but i never forget the lower levels. I was there and started there.
I have friends that dont even go to SP because of the PK.
and one had her gear shattered from being killed there by PK.
so gee, i wonder why i feel so strongly about it?
DA
PS: i dont see any reason to comment on this thread anymore.
I would rather be playing a pc game. Perhaps one that doesnt do this kind of thing...0 -
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I hate"Wild",PvP.
Especially went people use it for bullying lower levels 'cause they're just frustrated in real life and they have to pick on someone.
Especially on games like this were gear matters for the most part.The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry0 -
I voted that I strongly oppose this. I've said it before, and I will say it again. I'm on a PvE server for a reason; which is that I do not like PvP or being PK'd. I'm starting to seriously wonder why the company MADE PvE servers (except to trick people who like PvE and don't like PvP into playing the game); when they refuse to let them remain PvE servers because they keep enabling PvP in places where people have legitimate things to do and can't because of being PK enabled.
When I first started reading these forums; I was like "why do all these people complain about the game all the time?"; and I really disliked them. I'm starting to understand now and I can see where I am being converted to their (the people who complain about the state of the game's) side by some of the stupid decisions they (the company or whoever) keep making about things like this.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
i didn't hit PK button and still got pked. There is a reason i picked a PVE server vs a pvp if i wanted to kill someone i would duel them or TW just cause i dont pk and yes my main is lvl 99 with Rank 7 gear but no compare to Rank 9 +10 or higher Refines picking on low lvls stupid there is no fun in that in that they have the ultimate gear so If secret passage is not put back the way it was this game will start loosing money cause peeps get to lvl 30 and go in to passage just to get killed over and over by high lvls i would say **** it and find another game to play. I think the peeps in Secret passage are failures at pking vs pro Pkers would own there butts. if those pkers in secret passage want to have fun go pk a GM and c how far they get and they could have a challange and i bet they would regret it for a good long while. Till secret passage is fixed this game is not going to get any coin from me toons wont lvl ill be in to chat thats will be all i will do. whats the point in questing in secret passage when u go in and get killed by someone who wants to kill a low lvl for fun that has nothing better to do. No pvp in Secret passage unless duels (dont criticize me about my typing i dont type much) b:byeb:byeb:byeb:byeb:bye0
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I spend real money on this game every week. I joined a PvE server for a reason. I wouldn't mind seeing a PK area on Raging Tides, but it should be seperate from the questing areas, be optional and "blue named" players protected from attacks. The current SP update removes my choice to PK without giving me any other options. It also encourages harrassment of players. Currently, the lower level players are having problems doing their quests in SP because of this forced update on Raging Tides server. This needs to be corrected by reverting SP back to its previous state.
I expect to see a response from our GMs soon on this issue. It's costing us new members and more old members are moving to different games. This was a really thoughtless move by PWE on its player base. If not resolved quickly, it means the loss of more people from the game and fewer to replace them. I'm putting new spending on hold as its about time to cut the losses if I need to move on to a different mmo companys games.
Semper Fi,0 -
SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »
TBH, looks to me like the most impacting result of this "big thing" you have started, will be possibly a fuller spam email bin for them.
Why does anyone think that they will listen to this? You know they don't even HAVE PvE servers over there, I would consider ours to be a luxury.
I myself, hardly spent any time in SP questing on the multiple chars I have had, it amounts to 3-4 bosses tops(one which can be ported to) and a few mob quests; and in most, the mobs can be found OUTSIDE of SP. Most time spent in there is from people doing their BH for the ONE week it takes to get from 40s-50s on BH and cs alone, for which, there is a port.0 -
was helping some frinds with silverfrost today .
and we where wating inside the room for the cleric to come.
and i saw on the mini map 2 sin coming into the room and i am totaly paranoid inside sp bc al the damn pk ppl so when they entered the room i jumped on them and killed them both. got a mad pm that she was helping a friend with shade :-[{o,o} NERF RLY?
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Seriously all this QQ about something that is actually good for once. Maybe the placement isn't ideal for all, but the idea is a good one. If you need BH you can port in. Seriously it has to cost 10k or less to port there, and if you can't be bothered to grind 10k then you should have quit the game already. There are a rare few that actually do all their quests, but for the most part no one does those lowbie quests anymore.
You PvE servers need to get your **** together. Stop going ape **** on each other and have fun lol.Push me,
And then just touch me.
Tilll I get my,
Satisfaction.0 -
Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »Seriously all this QQ about something that is actually good for once. Maybe the placement isn't ideal for all, but the idea is a good one. If you need BH you can port in. Seriously it has to cost 10k or less to port there, and if you can't be bothered to grind 10k then you should have quit the game already. There are a rare few that actually do all their quests, but for the most part no one does those lowbie quests anymore.
You PvE servers need to get your **** together. Stop going ape **** on each other and have fun lol.
TRRRROOOOLLLLLL!!!!!! The fact that you were a PWIC finalist and that you posted this same message in multiple places shows you're just trolling so now you get my standard troll response. Enjoy life under the bridge. b:bye0 -
Well i didnt read the posts before now... its not important for me in that way... sure im happy for all they have a similar opinion and im not that happy cause there are other ppl with an opposite opinion...
But so far so good i want just let in here what i think about that...
I started play on a pve server cause my game play isnt based on pvp, for those ppl that like that... no problem, just start on pvp server. But im also ok for those ppl that like to pk sometimes... so they start on pve and enjoy for a bit time pvp... ok for me... an instance for them to enjoy it better... im ok with it... but guys... AN INSTANCE JUST FOR THAT, not an instance that is used especially by low lvls to do some quests and so on... thats not the solution...
Well about the arguments... the ppl asked for that... ok, why not a pvp server, but ok ok, they may have their reasons... why not make them a simple kind of a instance room for it and give it a place anywhere in the map... they wont be disturbed... they wont disturb others... all is fine. the map is big enough shouldnt be a problem to do that lil thing.
And there no culti relevanced quests? Oh well so its not ok anymore to do quests like kill Shade Eido or Dismal Shade? Both arent outside from the passage... and hey there still some quests with normal mobs... u can find them outside ya... 10 of em when its much... and that for a whole server community where so much ppl start new and others start a next and a next alt?... It was good till now so far some ppl did their quests in and others did it outside... but now... the mobs are there... most of em for some seconds, cause the pkers kill them too and the whole part of low lvls need to share 10 mobs outside... nice idea guys... oh and id never seen Ancient Evil blah however they called right... outside.... hmm? so not all kind of mobs are outside... and hey Silverfrost true... its OHT Culti and this Culti is important through the way to lvl up. Or isnt a lvl 70+ not anymore counted as low lvl... oh true not rlly, its a mid lvl... oh can he do something against the highs with their gear? no... do it help that there is a illusionstone in arch? no... nice idea guys again....
And oh ya like i said... there is a illusion stone... roflmao guys rlly... since when can a lvl 29 use it to stone in? it dont work...so they have to wait now till lvl 35 to do their fb? nice idea... oh and did u guys tried it with an arcane class lvl 35 to stone in... it can be u get killed from mobs while doing it... not the best idea for them to use illusion stone eh? but hey now they will have a 5% chance to get the instance in the passage and dont die through it... while walk through the passage and the chance by using illusion stone after lvl 35 which is now the fb lvl... (we should recall fb 29 to fb35 cause tabber have no chance to do it before) maybe in that way an arcane have 10% chance... nice idea guys
I have just one question about that guys... i read China decided that... i dont know what the chinese publisher workers do with their head if its possible to use it to think... but u guys, do u use urs for that? or is there any rule u need to do what china do? i heard there is sometimes anything like that... but not for all things right? so why in this case?
And maybe u should do an makeover about it.... cause i think thats not rlly right to destroy a whole place till now for low lvls to quest for pkers... im not a pker but im not totally against them... they should have their fun... but in another way thats all0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »TBH, looks to me like the most impacting result of this "big thing" you have started, will be possibly a fuller spam email bin for them.
Why does anyone think that they will listen to this? You know they don't even HAVE PvE servers over there, I would consider ours to be a luxury.
I myself, hardly spent any time in SP questing on the multiple chars I have had, it amounts to 3-4 bosses tops(one which can be ported to) and a few mob quests; and in most, the mobs can be found OUTSIDE of SP. Most time spent in there is from people doing their BH for the ONE week it takes to get from 40s-50s on BH and cs alone, for which, there is a port.
No the boss the mob quests aren't outside SP. Dismal Shade, Shade Eido, Silver Frost, Wheel of Earth(you get nice free gear for finishing this quest chain) and Ancient Evils for the Crimson Pendant. Lowbies can get killed by the aoe mobs or pk'ers for the moment they are in the doorway before they get inside when they use the pup.
I bet it was nice not spending much time in there, now with all the pk the quests will take any new player at least 2 to 3 times longer, and that's if they can get high levels to go in with them and help.0 -
No the boss the mob quests aren't outside SP. Dismal Shade, Shade Eido, Silver Frost, Wheel of Earth(you get nice free gear for finishing this quest chain) and Ancient Evils for the Crimson Pendant. Lowbies can get killed by the aoe mobs or pk'ers for the moment they are in the doorway before they get inside when they use the pup.
I bet it was nice not spending much time in there, now with all the pk the quests will take any new player at least 2 to 3 times longer, and that's if they can get high levels to go in with them and help.
Sorry Buff... you may have missed it but the company now fully supports players hacking and exploiting the game to power level to the top. The company has decided they do not want the money from the majority of the player base that wishes to actually complete quest lines and follow the rules.
http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/feedback_2.html0 -
Sorry Buff... you may have missed it but the company now fully supports players hacking and exploiting the game to power level to the top. The company has decided they do not want the money from the majority of the player base that wishes to actually complete quest lines and follow the rules.
http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/feedback_2.html
Wouldn't surprise me at all, just like I'm not surprised there has been no response to this lopsided poll.0 -
h0nestly I d0nt have a pr0blem with SP being a PK instance. Alth0ugh PW c0uld have at least n0t been lazy and just made a PK enabled instance L0l. 0r f0r example just use 0ne of the br0ken instances *c0ugh arena* fix it, and make it w0rk. But yes as we all kn0w PW cann0t d0 anything inv0lving real eff0rt.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0
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Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »Seriously all this QQ about something that is actually good for once. Maybe the placement isn't ideal for all, but the idea is a good one. If you need BH you can port in. Seriously it has to cost 10k or less to port there, and if you can't be bothered to grind 10k then you should have quit the game already. There are a rare few that actually do all their quests, but for the most part no one does those lowbie quests anymore.
You PvE servers need to get your **** together. Stop going ape **** on each other and have fun lol.
um, the lowbies do!
you were there once too.
ya see? that is what happens when you get higher level. you forget your roots.
that is why my friends are my friends, they are cool and dont treat ppl that way.
behind the toon is a PERSON!
dont be a jerk.0
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