How do you feel about the free-PVP in SP?
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Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »Sadistic glee has quests, you contradict yourself.
What? 1 or 2 quests that are a complete hassle to do? That even before pre-packs and pre-hypers, people didn't even bother with because it was too confusing and frustrating to get a squad?
Easier to move those two mini-bosses somewhere else than the mobs, wheel of earth chest and silver frost + the quests from SP to another place. IJS....0 -
Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »Sadistic glee has quests, you contradict yourself.
The amount of quests done in Glee is nothing compared to SP. Hardly anyone goes there to boot since they are mostly in FC leveling.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Retired PWI veteran. 06/26/2010-2014.0 -
Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »that's terrible logic. They are crying over a change that ToS says can happen and calling it wrong. I'm simply stating that such changes are allowed.and.crying will do nothing. Our opinions as players don't, and shouldn't, matter to the devs because A) this is a business, not a democracy. And
the devs are in China and therefore generally disregard the opinions of westerners.
The logic is that you are just a player with an opinion. You say that them having an opinion on this doesnt matter yet you put forward your opinion wich by your logic doesnt matter. Hence you are confusing and creating a paradox of sorts.
They are not saying that what pwi decided to do is illegal. Just that it is wrong and hurt a big portion of players. Because of that they want this to be changed. Either to an instance for higher people wich would do less damage to the game or to a specific instance with just the purpose of pk. I dont see how that can hurt you in any way so why shouldnt you support that?0 -
Game mechanics weren't changed do to countless threads on a version of pwi they rent out, they were changed because the devs felt like it. Invalid arguement.This is not completely true. They certainly changed the TW back to the way it was when the amount of people started getting bleak every weekend.
But then again those players are mostly PKers. So yes they do more business, but it was something they changed back.
I certainly saw enough complaining on the forums back then, now lets see if they listen to the other side of the coin of PvEers and do something about this as well.
You are talking about missing quests due to free pk. This would make you miss quests, either all quests are worth it or none, you don't get to arbitrarily decide which are and arentNakairu - Archosaur wrote: »What? 1 or 2 quests that are a complete hassle to do? That even before pre-packs and pre-hypers, people didn't even bother with because it was too confusing and frustrating to get a squad?
Easier to move those two mini-bosses somewhere else than the mobs, wheel of earth chest and silver frost + the quests from SP to another place. IJS....
See above comment.Asone - Raging Tide wrote: »The amount of quests done in SP is nothing compared to Glee. Hardly anyone goes there to boot since they are mostly in FC leveling.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »I'm not the one QQing over a decision the devs made.
no you have your panties in a bunch cause someone else is making a complaint. So you yourself are QQing too. Place your vote and take YOUR advice!0 -
VioletHeals - Momaganon wrote: »The logic is that you are just a player with an opinion. You say that them having an opinion on this doesnt matter yet you put forward your opinion wich by your logic doesnt matter. Hence you are confusing and creating a paradox of sorts.
They are not saying that what pwi decided to do is illegal. Just that it is wrong and hurt a big portion of players. Because of that they want this to be changed. Either to an instance for higher people wich would do less damage to the game or to a specific instance with just the purpose of pk. I dont see how that can hurt you in any way so why shouldnt you support that?
How is what they do with their game wrong? That's like telling a musician or artist tjey did something wrong.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »Game mechanics weren't changed do to countless threads on a version of pwi they rent out, they were changed because the devs felt like it. Invalid arguement.
Please product your proof or a link of it then. And to Asone's comment he's got a point.
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Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »that's terrible logic. They are crying over a change that ToS says can happen and calling it wrong. I'm simply stating that such changes are allowed.and.crying will do nothing. Our opinions as players don't, and shouldn't, matter to the devs because A) this is a business, not a democracy. And the devs are in China and therefore generally disregard the opinions of westerners.
You are correct. They have every right to change the game, rules, and TOS. Just as we have every right to leave the game and let all of our friends know NOT to play the game. The developers can feel free to end the Westerners game and keep it at home. BUT... I dont think that will make them as much money. Its very narrow minded to lay on such blanket statements like yours. Sure they have every right in the TOS to change anything they wish and not listen to any of their player base. Lets watch what happens... shall we?
By the way the poll STILL remains with 75% of those who voted AGAINST the change.0 -
Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »
You are talking about missing quests due to free pk. This would make you miss quests, either all quests are worth it or none, you don't get to arbitrarily decide which are and arent
You don't quest much at all do you? And you completely missed my point on FC.
This it related to the non-power leveling people of the game that do BH's and quests to the early levels. Higher levels are much easier to deal with. So they wouldn't see much to going to Glee when they've got FC to do at 80+now would they?
They don't have an exp dungeon for low levels save for PV.
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Retired PWI veteran. 06/26/2010-2014.0 -
it annoys me. Though Im low leveled, people who were helping me with the dungeon were constantly getting killed. This annoyed us, thus it sucks.0
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You are correct. They have every right to change the game, rules, and TOS. Just as we have every right to leave the game and let all of our friends know NOT to play the game. The developers can feel free to end the Westerners game and keep it at home. BUT... I dont think that will make them as much money. Its very narrow minded to lay on such blanket statements like yours. Sure they have every right in the TOS to change anything they wish and not listen to any of their player base. Lets watch what happens... shall we?
By the way the poll STILL remains with 75% of those who voted AGAINST the change.
My exact point, if you don't like it then leave.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »I can play the ambiguous game too: prove me wrong.
And you have just convinced me that that you are the kind of "do this or you are a chicken" bully kind of person.
I wasn't even trying to prove anything. I gave a point and an example and I asked for your poof as to where you had heard this. Invalid.
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I've done every quest on multiple toons, save killing harpy wraith, and thats only because her respawn doesn't match up with when I look for her.Asone - Raging Tide wrote: »You don't quest much at all do you? And you completely missed my point on FC.
This it related to the non-power leveling people of the game that do BH's and quests to the early levels. Higher levels are much easier to deal with. So they wouldn't see much to going to Glee when they've got FC to do at 80+now would they?
They don't have an exp dungeon for low levels save for PV.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »Concept is perfect but the location is the worst possible place.
+1
Love the idea but hate it in SP. Need another instance nearby called Proving Grounds or something, or just fix the arenas. lol For now, I'll stay neutral on this.0 -
And you have just convinced me that that you are the kind of "do this or you are a chicken" bully kind of person.
I wasn't even trying to prove anything. I gave a point and a example and I asked for your poof as to where you had heard this. Invalid.
And I used the same logic on you. I guess you are the same kind of bully you frivolously accuse me of being.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »And I used the same logic on you. I guess you are the same kind of bully you frivolously accuse me of being.
You are avoiding what I said 4 posts ago........0 -
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Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »Same to you buddy.
No I am not, I've tried to turn the subject back around, unsuccessfully it seems. Your obviously not going to listen so I'm done with my responses to you.0 -
Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »They should consider the idea of moving Silver Frost to an instance. And increase(reduce?) the respawn time of the demonfires in the safe zone. Those ossein things are outside.
To appropriately address all the quests in there, they would need to move Silver Frost, Dismal Shade, Shade Eido and the Evil Ancients, as well as, a free stone into 29 and removing the mobs in the room with the door and walling up said door so pk'ers can't stand there and pop lowbies for the instant they are stuck in the doorway before being ported the rest of the way in.). The Demonfires are both next to the safe zone and outside(on a mountain top south of Hidden Orchid). Or they could just apply the changes in SP to the Cave of Sadistic Glee or the Arenas.Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »Seriously guys, not everyone on every server is going to grief nabs. And about this "I signed up for a pve server" business, again I say go read the ToS, this kind of change is covered and if you don't like it then uninstall. What's betching on the forums going to do?
No one said, that everyone on every server would, and on the pvp servers you're basically asking for it. However on the PVE servers without that many additional places on the map to 'gank' it's causing camping in the SP. There are entire high factions pk'ing new players in the SP, high-level sins camping Frost and waiting to pop people right before they finish him. This is griefing, but when a whole faction is doing it, how do you report it? 5 or 6 different people all from the same faction kill you, but not the specific name over and over. There are many people uninstalling, but many others of us are expressing our opinions in an attempt to get the rules changed(and no you can't tell us what our opinions are). We are betching on the forums, sending in tickets and sending in letters and e-mails, both here and back to China(we will not stop because you want us to either). If you don't like our betching you are welcome to quit the forums and uninstall. Otherwise get ready I feel another betch session coming on.b:bye0 -
Just saying. I don't want to influence the voting of people that didn't vote yet.
But, I clearly see from results that it's not as much a mixed feelings as I once thought it would be.
Nothing to add really, I let people read and make their own choice.Proud supporter of the new expansion. Sure it has it's share of bugs, like any games. But for a pure farmer/grinder, that's a whole lot of new mobs to go beat up b:chuckle0 -
This thread makes me laugh on so many different levels, I don't even know where to begin.
Thanks for the good laugh.
Please, continue with the butthurtedness. b:pleasedTheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »If you die in Rebirth, Cube, Warsong, Blood Arena, PWIC, DT, Tournament, you get ported out without any GA loss, as it is free for all instance PvP. However; if it isn't free-for-all instance PvP, then it costs GAs as it's open map PK. There is a difference between instance PvP and open map PK, where you can lose stuff. And last I checked, SP is an instance, no different from the DT, Rebirth, Warsong, Cube, Tournament, Blood Arena, PWIC instances. They're all instances, and not open map PK.
You used to lose two dolls when you died in torney... did they fix that?I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »This thread makes me laugh on so many different levels, I don't even know where to begin.
Thanks for the good laugh.
Please, continue with the butthurtedness. b:pleased
You used to lose two dolls when you died in torney... did they fix that?
TRRRRRROOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!! Bother putting something useful and you won't just get my usual response to trolls. Enjoy life under the bridge. b:bye0 -
Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »This is an issue that appears to have somewhat divided the community. Some people enjoy the new area since it allows pvp without risk or much cost. Others point out that it is being used by high levels to grief lower level people.
I thought it would be nice to have a poll so we can see where the forums opinions lie.
I know theres an existing discussion but I like seeing polls :O
I strongly agree with you Asterelle, seems almost every high lvl (lvl100+) never allows the lower lvls to try the SP pvp themselves.. Even some kill the lowbies going in for quests, so I'm neutral on this(for the low lvl pvpers (60-80-90))(Also some 20-30s if they pvp) and I strongly oppose the higher lvls (95-105) who kill the lower lvls for no reason at all, even when they aren't even fighting.
(Not even giving them a fighting chance either...)
So, I like the add on somewhat, yet I dislike the higher lvls abusing the lower lvls, making them hardly have fun in SP or letting the others pvp/1v1 themselves.
P.S. I loved your double deaths in there Asterelle, was epic, hope you do the same for those griefers/abusers.0 -
I can see where it can irritate those going in to quest or for mobs. b:surrender Yet I can also see it as a learning experience for people new to pk/pvp (just go in and do your best) b:chuckle
So I am as neutral as can be, however an empty area for risk free pk based on level would have been a lot more fun, and a much better idea PWI
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Karen_Divine - Sanctuary wrote: »I can see where it can irritate those going in to quest or for mobs. b:surrender Yet I can also see it as a learning experience for people new to pk/pvp (just go in and do your best) b:chuckle
So I am as neutral as can be, however an empty area for risk free pk based on level would have been a lot more fun, and a much better idea PWI.
For some people it's more than just an irritant. They aren't able to get on at a time when SP is empty enough to get their quests done. And very few of the PVE'ers want the instance to simply go away permanently, they just want it moved to the Arena's or the Cave of Sadistic Glee where lowbies won't be cannon fodder. b:thanks0 -
So far in terms of PvP, this is turning out really well. I've seen tons of people who have never been white name, show up to SP for faction v faction fights, and others are joining in on it as well.
In terms of killing low levels, on HT, there's only a seldom few people that will kill everyone they can (padding kill count). Anyone so far who has asked to be left alone because they are questing, and not opened their mouth acting like a child, has been left alone (unless one of those FEW people are there). This includes Enrage members.
I really do wonder how some people are dying 8 times consecutively..kind of curious as to how wide your vocabulary of slander is to be killed that much :S
Soon less and less people will be PKing here..as most people are just trying it out for the luls. Though, its funny how lately there have been needing their culti. Makes me think people are just BSing to cause QQ and try to get attention or something.
Keep it the way it is in SP, or just give us the arena.
One thing though, is its not fun to kill someone and not have damage log show up. Make it so that they dont instantly get teled out, or just dont get teled out at all.[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?u=14463705003&type=sigpic&dateline=1322469658[/SIGPIC]0 -
For some people it's more than just an irritant. They aren't able to get on at a time when SP is empty enough to get their quests done. And very few of the PVE'ers want the instance to simply go away permanently, they just want it moved to the Arena's or the Cave of Sadistic Glee where lowbies won't be cannon fodder. b:thanks
Well so far no one I know has had an issue they just ask nicely to not be pked xD. As for the high levels that kill lowbies on sight it just shows how pitiful they are. b:laugh0 -
WELL THERE Is 1 thing they shoulda thought of B$ they NERFED SP for all the newer (player's/character's)...
They shoulda just gave all the characters that need quests in there, FULL credit: In (EXP/REP/ESTIMATED drop value: in coin) from combat, in lump sum deposits too the characters stats, and just dropped the quest requirements in there all together, b4 they switched it over...b:thanks
atleast the FB/BH29 are still teleportable for the newer characters, that is if peaple haven't alraeady found a way to hang around the port in area for the FB and somehow figured out how to SNIPE the porters as they port in... b:surrender0
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