HT: A case study in what TW was meant to be
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I skimmed a lot of this thread, but it sounds like:
- A few people want TW to be easier for players that adamantly refuse to work in a hardcore fashion for TW.
- The solution proposed - resetting the map periodically - punishes the players that work in a hardcore fashion for TW.
- There was some psycho-analytical **** thrown in there, I think.
- At some point Miugre was complaining that players killing other players in a TW is a "huge part of the problem".
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Anneliesse - Heavens Tear wrote: »Mork, do you remember when Rad was "supposedly failing" sooo long ago? the rumor got around that the guild was disbanning or whatever...and that weekend they had, i believe, 28 TWs? Why is it that when a guild is supposedly falling the server goes nuts bidding on them, but when there is no rumor there are no bids? Enrage laughed at all the bids on free lands after the reset. How many guilds would have had land if the entire server had bid on enrage at once? just once? with the availability of possible time slots there is absolutely NO way we could have defended every single one of them, especially if some of the stronger guilds had close time slots. the fact remains that the server QQed about us owning the land, but did NOTHING to try to stop us. We worked hard for what we had, we werent gonna just hand it back to y'all in a little gift box to make everyone else happy. This is HT not LC sorry.
Oh that was fun times to see the bidding but Rad did defend all the lands except what 2. And Rad didnt have the power over the other top TW factions that Enrage holds now. And honestly how many guilds bring more then 30 people to TW? 7? 8? and how many have any real TW fighters 4 or 5? And if u get all the lands bid on what r the chances the stronger guilds get paired up. Well i agree Enrage had earned the right to hold the map and have all the rewards and a reset every so and so times is dumb but under the current TW system it is semi easy for Enrage to defend all the lands at once except if you get Dom Rad and GD in the same night/afternoon/monring. But even then you will just lose like 1 and then next week just get the land right back. But this is this time for all the other factions to build up and figure out a way to beat enrage and QQing if Enrage gets the map again is dumb if u r the best u deserve the land.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »That said, I suppose I should humor Kiyoshi one more time before ending this post...
What I chose to ignore was this insistence by the community that you have to play the game a certain way. For examples:
When Jones Blessings became ubiquitous, I largely ignored them except for the TW, in which I temporarily adapted.
When we became a Token Economy, I adapted (though not without protest - my rule-of-thumb assumes that protest has been tried already and has failed, which is not always the case).
When r8/9 hit, my action was to completely disavow their importance in the game - rank gear merits precisely zero respect from me now. This, too, is an adaptation.
I similarly disavow all pack gear (including Lunar weapons). What FF/Lunar gears I ever get ahold of, I plan to come by legitimately.
APS builds were probably the hardest thing to ignore, but in the end I treat them in exactly the same manner as pack geared and r8/r9 builds. I continue to push for the lowering of the APS cap when appropriate, but at the same time I've accepted the realistic possibility that nothing will be done about it. In most cases, it does not affect my play experience.
Oh and btw, going for r9 isn't ignoring r8; you had to pass it on the way, and you're still buying into that system by using your r9 gear. Thus you embraced it rather than ignored it. And no, trolling the forums isn't quitting.
I think i am going to end this argument once and for all. Just by looking at the gears and cost association.
The only reason to gear up is to tw. I went r8 cause cv wasn't cutting it as my opponents' armor went nirvana. I went r9 cause my opponents went r8. The only reason for gearing up is to one up your enemies. If tw was forever cycle of pve against fb79 mobs... my cv is more then enough to own everything. There would be no reason for me to spent what... 2 billion coins worth of gold on r8... and then another 1k+ gold on r9... and a few hundred here and there for the refines. While I may not have directly charge 100% of the coins/gold I spent on gears. I am pretty sure, me personally am directly or indirectly linked to over ten thousand united states dollars worth of pwi's zen charge. And on the other hand is... you. Who is running around with gears that is probably worth less then one of my rings. Responsible for maybe indirectly (since you said you don't charge zen) a few hundred dollars worth of zen charge. So overall, just by having me around is probably the equivalent of having 20 or more of you around as far as pwi's accounting dept. is concerned.
Assuming that I am average... the effect of 100 (assuming) active enrage members is equivalent of having 2,000 people of your caliber on the accounting books. If pwi choose to shave off the top end by removing/resetting our end game content... they better be ready to find a couple tens of thousand of your type of people as replacement.
Its nothing personal... just simple math. How long do you think this frankie of yours can stay employed by catering to people like you... the ones who never (or claim to have never) spent a single dollar on the game? Verses people who have contributed thousands of dollars to his bi-weekly paycheck. Coincidentally the people who contributed to the said pay checks are also the people with the gears... and don't the same repetitive response from pve tw mobs.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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APS is probably the issue I've railed against the most in recent months, this is true. But this statement of yours seems to be less about my supposed inconsistencies, and more about the order of events as they happened. Are you suggesting that I had more business opposing APS when packs first came out and the builds were first obtainable? I wouldn't totally disagree with you there, but done of that would forbid me from continuing to support a cap nerf (which I do). As for how that relates to my build and my refusal to do it myself... well, as you can see from my reply to Kiyoshi on the last page, I have not totally remained stuck in 2008. I may have opposed every single one of those changes, but each of those decisions was still my own, and I disagree that my use or disuse of them must somehow affect my opinion on things. :PAnneliesse - Heavens Tear wrote: »my apologies for being so blunt...but its a habit:
i find it completely humorous that you point out your desire to purposely not participate in the ever changing popular build/gear trends, but yet insist on attempting to get the game to be changed to what standard you see as appropriate (case in point: i wont adapt to the aps builds but i will petition to make it where others cant as well). what are you trying to achieve, exactly? i'm sorry that the game has evolved into what it has. reality is i really do wish for the times before packs to come back. tw was fun, people worked hard to lvl together and guilds build themselves based on hard work and great strategists. times change. Evolve or move out of the way. nothing is stopping you from doing either. heck, if you wanna go sit out in the sea of isolation and fish all day like we did in the old days, no one is stopping you. play the way that you want, but dont expect the game to change because you want it to.
Call me an idealist, if you like. All I can say is that, on some rare occasions, this game's staff do listen to and even resolve concerns. The Dragon Points system immediately comes to mind as one of the biggest examples... and, oh yeah, the coin rewards for TW are another good one. Obviously these concessions are few and far between, but they still exist. So I hope you'll understand why I won't let the "game is dead" crowd deter me from advocating for the next one.
And in the end, I do appreciate your being blunt... unlike Eva whose comments basically equated to "****, u suck, lol troll'd." I just wanted you to know that. I'd ask why you aren't the leader instead of Eva, but I know better than to touch Enrage's guild drama with a 50-foot pole. >_>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Crazydan - Heavens Tear wrote: »Oh that was fun times to see the bidding but Rad did defend all the lands except what 2. And Rad didnt have the power over the other top TW factions that Enrage holds now. And honestly how many guilds bring more then 30 people to TW? 7? 8? and how many have any real TW fighters 4 or 5? And if u get all the lands bid on what r the chances the stronger guilds get paired up. Well i agree Enrage had earned the right to hold the map and have all the rewards and a reset every so and so times is dumb but under the current TW system it is semi easy for Enrage to defend all the lands at once except if you get Dom Rad and GD in the same night/afternoon/monring. But even then you will just lose like 1 and then next week just get the land right back. But this is this time for all the other factions to build up and figure out a way to beat enrage and QQing if Enrage gets the map again is dumb if u r the best u deserve the land.
I think i rambled too much again i should learn not to respond to threads
things to consider:
1. when the wars are scheduled is mostly about luck...under the right circumstances we could have been in a lot of trouble
2. guilds arent as active as they used to be. i wont give you numbers, but i will say that you can look at our history, the times we "gave away" land and do the math yourselves.
3. the server has had nothing but time to build bigger, stronger guilds to take us on. THEY JUST WONT DO IT. your example on how many have more than 20 show, more than 10 that are geared for it is a perfect illustration of my point.
look at it this way. you have GD, lolminus, rad...heck i'll even throw in drakon for giggles...they all have great geared people. they all have a bit of tw experience and power. why are they 4 different guilds? pride? see where that pride is getting y'all?? how different the tw scene would be if some/all of them combined? and thats just taking those guilds.
we can talk in circles for hours about this, fact is Enrage was allowed to get as powerful as we are today, and yet the same QQ continues and nothing is ever really done to make progress into changing this fact. A map reset every yr and 1/2 or so would be nice i guess just so we can pick a new color. next time maybe we can get old RoC hot pink
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Call me an idealist, if you like.
There is your problem. As far as i am concerned... and you would probably agree to this. TW is only for people who spends real cash on the game... or can find others to spend real cash for them. You have yet spend any real cash or convinced others to spend the cash for you. And yet you are convinced that you should have the same access as pwi's paying customers.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Fast forward 1.5 - 2 years, and I'm in my 90s. Back when I joined, I'd have considered that high enough to try TW. But look what I have to contend with. Jones Blessings. Packs and the gear related to them. "Easy" access to +10 gear. Rank 8 becoming a common standard instead of an elite distinction based on helping others. Rank 9 becoming possible, but only accessible to those with far too much time and money. And lest we forget, the scourge of high-aps fist builds. It became clear that any foray I made into TW would end in me being flattened alongside the road, in a manner seemingly designed to punish me for my deliberately less-than-"pro" build.
Maybe if you spent less time jawing off and more time working toward a gear related goal, you would be a contender in something you obviously want to be a part of. If you dont want to put in the work, thats fine, but dont expect to reap the rewards of people that do put in the work.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »APS is probably the issue I've railed against the most in recent months, this is true. But this statement of yours seems to be less about my supposed inconsistencies, and more about the order of events as they happened. Are you suggesting that I had more business opposing APS when packs first came out and the builds were first obtainable? I wouldn't totally disagree with you there, but done of that would forbid me from continuing to support a cap nerf (which I do). As for how that relates to my build and my refusal to do it myself... well, as you can see from my reply to Kiyoshi on the last page, I have not totally remained stuck in 2008. I may have opposed every single one of those changes, but each of those decisions was still my own, and I disagree that my use or disuse of them must somehow affect my opinion on things. :P
Call me an idealist, if you like. All I can say is that, on some rare occasions, this game's staff do listen to and even resolve concerns. The Dragon Points system immediately comes to mind as one of the biggest examples... and, oh yeah, the coin rewards for TW are another good one. Obviously these concessions are few and far between, but they still exist. So I hope you'll understand why I won't let the "game is dead" crowd deter me from advocating for the next one.
And in the end, I do appreciate your being blunt... unlike Eva whose comments basically equated to "****, u suck, lol troll'd." I just wanted you to know that. I'd ask why you aren't the leader instead of Eva, but I know better than to touch Enrage's guild drama with a 50-foot pole. >_>
look at you making me double post :P
nooooooo dont put words into my mouth, i suggest no such thing. i simply stated that you seem to complain about something because you also seem unwilling to step up and join the crowd, so to speak.
face facts, kiyo is completely correct. at the end of the day this is about the amount of dollars pwe can put into the bank. nerfing aps/making weapons class specific/all the other rumors talked about before the expansion were just rumors because, at the end of the day, those multiple thousands from people like kiyo (and myself) are worth way more than the complaints of a few that spend relatively nothing. you make your choices, as we do ours. just dont complain when the game doesnt work the way you want it to. no one is forcing you to log in.
oh, and you're welcome for my bluntness...i may upset or offend people at times, but they never really have to guess about what i'm thinking as for who is leader of enrage...it sits where it belongs. i'm the PR person apparently, and it suits me just fine. Evanera does a great job as leader. those on the outside looking in have no room to comment about the guild structure of a guild they know nothing about. 
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I knew you'd show up at some point. :P You skim a thread only to post summary points which I've already responded to? Tsk.Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »I skimmed a lot of this thread, but it sounds like:
- A few people want TW to be easier for players that adamantly refuse to work in a hardcore fashion for TW.
- The solution proposed - resetting the map periodically - punishes the players that work in a hardcore fashion for TW.
- There was some psycho-analytical **** thrown in there, I think.
- At some point Miugre was complaining that players killing other players in a TW is a "huge part of the problem".
Did I miss anything?
Please don't misquote me. -_- Eva's assertion that DimSum drew out the TW to "toy with us" was the problem, not the fact that they were killing players. I know I'm not your favorite person, but I'll thank you not to insult my intelligence by condensing my entire contribution to a 10-page thread to "I don't like it when players kill each other."
TW was only for people who spent cash (or an equivalent amount of time). The Genesis reset changed all that, at least for a while.Kiyoshi wrote:There is your problem. As far as i am concerned... and you would probably agree to this. TW is only for people who spends real cash on the game... or can find others to spend real cash for them. You have yet spend any real cash or convinced others to spend the cash for you. And yet you are convinced that you should have the same access as pwi's paying customers.
Your argument for condensing the entire issue to "who spends more cash" doesn't stand up. I know you're probably pretty jaded from all of PWE's bad decisions (and IMO that would call into question why you still hang around here), but they are not among the worst companies out there by a long shot. Some of their decisions are strangle-worthy, but others clearly demonstrate that their concern for their bottom line does not preclude sustainability. The Genesis reset is a perfect example of this.
Do me a favor, would you kindly? Point me to where I said, in no uncertain terms, that I have never charged Zen. This is not true and I have never stated such a thing. I spend a modest amount of real money on this game - on average, about what one would pay per month for a pay-to-play MMO. Some of it goes to refining, etc., some of it goes to utility items (storage, etc.), some of it goes to vanity items. On some rare occasions I will even buy packs, although this is just to make other items by way of tokens that would be more expensive had I bought them directly from the CS (for example, I opened five packs last week and used the tokens towards a lv1 tome for my mystic). If I ever acquired a piece of gear from packs, I would sell it off.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »Less QQ more pewpew, make it your mantra.
you made me post from an alt just to show off my siggy. thanks for making me laugh, sasha.....O........................... O..<(QQ)
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Eh Anne just trying to make the point that u said if all guilds attacked enrage u would lose land. I would say only if we were really lucky would that happen. and by lose land i mean more then 1
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Crazydan - Heavens Tear wrote: »Eh Anne just trying to make the point that u said if all guilds attacked enrage u would lose land. I would say only if we were really lucky would that happen. and by lose land i mean more then 1
anything can happen, but reality is that this server doesnt want to try. look at this thread, people wanting periodic map resets. they admit defeat before they even try.*insert awesome siggy here*0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Please don't misquote me. -_- Eva's assertion that DimSum drew out the TW to "toy with us" was the problem, not the fact that they were killing players. I know I'm not your favorite person, but I'll thank you not to insult my intelligence by condensing my entire contribution to a 10-page thread to "I don't like it when players kill each other."
Alright, explain why drawing out a TW is a problem.0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »ITW was only for people who spent cash (or an equivalent amount of time). The Genesis reset changed all that, at least for a while.
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oh heavens, please dont tell me you honestly believe that?? the genesis reset made it possible for you little noob guilds to experience pve tw and to fight umongst yourselves until the big boys reach you on the map. that is all. it didnt make TW for you...it just gave you a little time to play around with the idea (and a few extra coins). be thankful that we can only take 1 land a week or all the baby guilds would be off the map already. TW is for the big boys: step up or kindly step out of our way.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Do me a favor, would you kindly? Point me to where I said, in no uncertain terms, that I have never charged Zen. This is not true and I have never stated such a thing. I spend a modest amount of real money on this game - on average, about what one would pay per month for a pay-to-play MMO. Some of it goes to refining, etc., some of it goes to utility items (storage, etc.), some of it goes to vanity items. On some rare occasions I will even buy packs, although this is just to make other items by way of tokens that would be more expensive had I bought them directly from the CS (for example, I opened five packs last week and used the tokens towards a lv1 tome for my mystic). If I ever acquired a piece of gear from packs, I would sell it off.
OK... I may be thinking of someone else when I said you don't spend any money. But really... if you do spend what you would spend on a pay to play game... lets say 15 dollars a month. You been here how long... at least 2 years... maybe even 3. Lets just assume 2... that would be 360 dollars total on your part. Its either you are completely brain dead when it comes to making money (in game) or you spend money faster then some of my female friends... with their 100 pairs of shoes and 50 sets of bags. I know people who have spent less then you... and have better gears then me.
Its no secret that i retired from the game... and as result... my archer has fall behind in terms of gears and stuff. Even then... my gear is by no means obsolete yet. In the mean time it is still no secret that i would log on once in a while when one of my friends call.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »frankie, I appreciate you taking the time to read this thread as I requested when it was first posted yesterday.
I would love to continue to discuss this idea with you and/or the possibility of changing the guild base system to be more casual-player-friendly. I mainly built this thread on the former idea because I knew this was something that PWE had control over without needing changes by the devs. Either way, I look forward to a PM reply. :P
Minor edit: I do get your point about it being the perfect time, and the whole idea of a map reset being a trial run. As you can see from this thread, with the exception of a few rigid "me-first" power players, there seems to be general support for it. The consensus seems to be that 3-4 months may be a little too harsh and perhaps a 6-month reset would be more appropriate. I would love the opportunity to see TW "seasons" spring up to foster more intrigue. Again, I look forward to a PM. ;]
I'm going to help you out just this once and tell you a surefire way to get your ideas implemented.
Perfect World Entertainment Inc.
2200 Bridge Parkway Suite #201
Redwood City, CA 94065
Thats headquarters for Perfect World Interational. Strap a bomb to your chest and go there. Someone will talk to you, for sure.0 -
One faction was made up primarily of Enrage/GD alts - those who had access to everything, by comparison. The second faction was a small one who did not know the other's identity and for whom charms and other TW expenses come at a considerably higher premium. The first faction decided to draw out the TW for whatever reasons they might have had (but by Eva's posts, it sounded like it was for personal amusement), the result of which being far more of a drain on the second faction's charms (which, again, came at a higher premium) than would otherwise have been spent.Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »Alright, explain why drawing out a TW is a problem.
This is all I will say on the subject - anything further would be simply restating what's already been said in this thread. If you must have a side debate with me, send me a forum PM as I have no interest in engaging in such here.
You basically just restated my point. Be it by cash or time, TW was only the playground of those affectionately referred to here as the "dedicated." The reset made it accessible to us temporarily, but no one was under any illusions as to the longevity of this arrangement. I can't quite see where we disagree here.Anneliesse - Heavens Tear wrote: »oh heavens, please dont tell me you honestly believe that?? the genesis reset made it possible for you little noob guilds to experience pve tw and to fight umongst yourselves until the big boys reach you on the map. that is all. it didnt make TW for you...it just gave you a little time to play around with the idea (and a few extra coins). be thankful that we can only take 1 land a week or all the baby guilds would be off the map already. TW is for the big boys: step up or kindly step out of our way.
edit:i fail at quoting but am too lazy to fix it. deal
EDIT: Fixed. :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Pfft. **** the reset, put the bidding back to open bidding. Lets get the time tables and bidding out there in the open. Should put the intrigue back in the game.0
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Anneliesse - Heavens Tear wrote: »Mork, do you remember when Rad was "supposedly failing" sooo long ago? the rumor got around that the guild was disbanning or whatever...and that weekend they had, i believe, 28 TWs? Why is it that when a guild is supposedly falling the server goes nuts bidding on them, but when there is no rumor there are no bids? Enrage laughed at all the bids on free lands after the reset. How many guilds would have had land if the entire server had bid on enrage at once? just once? with the availability of possible time slots there is absolutely NO way we could have defended every single one of them, especially if some of the stronger guilds had close time slots. the fact remains that the server QQed about us owning the land, but did NOTHING to try to stop us. We worked hard for what we had, we werent gonna just hand it back to y'all in a little gift box to make everyone else happy. This is HT not LC sorry.
Thank you Anne for saving me from Tal ripping into me. I totally get your point if it happened naturally it would be best for all. Hopefully this reset will awaken the TW spirit that our server used to be famous for so we will not need a reset for years to keep TW fun.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »One faction was made up primarily of Enrage/GD alts - those who had access to everything, by comparison. The second faction was a small one who did not know the other's identity and for whom charms and other TW expenses come at a considerably higher premium. The first faction decided to draw out the TW for whatever reasons they might have had (but by Eva's posts, it sounded like it was for personal amusement), the result of which being far more of a drain on the second faction's charms (which, again, came at a higher premium) than would otherwise have been spent.
I wasn't there... since i could careless about hitting people who is too chicken to hit back. But I can tell you this... my alt's charm cost just as much as my main's charm. But hey... if enrage is getting some discount on charms... someone better let me know.
Oh and... pw's beijing headquarters is really nice... although the shareholder meeting's food isn't that great. And if you can speak chinese... feel free to argue with people who actually have a influence on things....
Perfect World Co., Ltd.
8th Floor Hua Kong Building
No 1 Shangdi East Road Haidian District
Beijing, 1000851. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »One faction was made up primarily of Enrage/GD alts - those who had access to everything, by comparison. The second faction was a small one who did not know the other's identity and for whom charms and other TW expenses come at a considerably higher premium. The first faction decided to draw out the TW for whatever reasons they might have had (but by Eva's posts, it sounded like it was for personal amusement), the result of which being far more of a drain on the second faction's charms (which, again, came at a higher premium) than would otherwise have been spent.
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I am a PWJWTHF-er. (Players Who Just Want to Have Fun). We generally look for a more casual type of PVP experience. Kind of like the difference between pro baseball players and Saturday afternoon sandlot pickup game players.
Unfortunately this sometimes plays out in MMORPGs as the PVP hardcore being totally against any provision of casual PVP within the virtual world, arguing that only hardcore PVP should get developer attention.
In the real world, just about every sport has room for both, hard core professional venues and casual amateur communities.
Personally I love casual sports of all kinds so I come down on the side of promoting casual type PVP functionality.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
The exodus is here
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MsEvilness - Heavens Tear wrote: »I thought gti would just fund it all himself...
Also, you do not know how base wars will work... perhaps it could be rather easy for small guilds to lose their guild base in wars. And because there is a lack of information about the 40v40 wars, even from PW-CN, it's justified that many smaller guilds do not want to invest the money into something that might not be at all worthwhile.
As for TW... it will never be as good as it used to be because pwi has become such a pay to win game.
Wow Mrs. Evil.. I sure don't know where you get your information from.. Okay fine.. if you want to know the truth... Tsungfai has been secretly sending coins to our faction to upgrade the base.. I'll try to let everyone know more details as I get them.. b:laugh
Yeah.. one person has funded our entire guild base operation, no one in GD contributes to the faction, and we also pay people to join our faction to donate their contribution and then we kick them out. Uhoh.. I should stop before others find out our strategy.. b:shutup b:laugh (Oh ****, Im going to probably be kicked out for revealing our pro strategy) b:surrender
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One can only hope the reset has given new players the incentive to move on to the serious TW faction's or to work towards Improving their own so it becomes more competitive in the long run.
As for a map reset ... Hmmm If it happened should only ever happen after the map has been one colour for X amount of time. Then not because players deserve it but because from PWI view it would be a logical step to keep players interested in their product.
But because a large some of $ is spent by the serious TW factions don't expect PWI to announce they will reset the map in future if they actually intend to.we also pay people to join our faction
I thought that was Drakon
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I can sense this thread getting steadily out of hand. [/understatementofalltime] >_> Fortunately, I think it has served its purpose despite all that.
I would be happy to continue discussing legitimate points, but if all I'm going to get here is ridiculous suggestions on bombing PW headquarters, I'm going to have to say "call me when you have some real new material." Really, guys. This is what we've come to? Open ridicule for people who try to present a good idea (and yes, I realize good is subjective) to the staff? I know where PW's headquarters (plural) are, so your attempts at trolling are neither productive nor warranted in the slightest. I guess it's a good thing I've been around this community long enough to be prepared for this (and therefore immune from it), because I shudder to think of how a bonafide newbie would feel if they were subjected to this. This goes out to Momento in particular. Seriously, what the hell.
So with that, I'll be taking a break from this thread for a while, possibly indefinitely (unless you people manage to surprise me still). On my way out, though, I at least want to acknowledge what may turn out to be the last sensible post in this thread:
This. Thank you for reading and for posting.BabaORiley - Dreamweaver wrote: »I am a PWJWTHF-er. (Players Who Just Want to Have Fun). We generally look for a more casual type of PVP experience. Kind of like the difference between pro baseball players and Saturday afternoon sandlot pickup game players.
Unfortunately this sometimes plays out in MMORPGs as the PVP hardcore being totally against any provision of casual PVP within the virtual world, arguing that only hardcore PVP should get developer attention.
In the real world, just about every sport has room for both, hard core professional venues and casual amateur communities.
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Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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GTIMIKEE - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah.. one person has funded our entire guild base operation, no one in GD contributes to the faction, and we also pay people to join our faction to donate their contribution and then we kick them out. Uhoh.. I should stop before others find out our strategy.. b:shutup b:laugh (Oh ****, Im going to probably be kicked out for revealing our pro strategy) b:surrender
Last I heard, GD pays about 15 mill per invite. They also have a monopoly on gold in 4 servers, not just HT.
/troll...
Joking aside, this thread was fun, changing TW to have schedule resets would well.....do nothing and cause anyone with legit goals to leave the game.
This game is easy with TT90-99, anymore after that is just for PvP gain.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »The first faction decided to draw out the TW for whatever reasons they might have had (but by Eva's posts, it sounded like it was for personal amusement), the result of which being far more of a drain on the second faction's charms (which, again, came at a higher premium) than would otherwise have been spent.
Obvious troll is obvious. Unless you really didn't know you can leave tw instance even before crystal has been destroyed/war timed out etc. and fairly easily too. (Tip suggested by Steopie: forcelog if you are killfarmed at spawnpoint and can't reach the NPC to leave instance. He really knows this stuff.) As said, I don't doubt your intelligence, and consider your faction to have drawn out the tw just to be able to troll at forums.0 -
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