Who would win in a single-class TW?

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You know this from experience (because I haven't tested it) or from reading the skill description? Because last I check even cleric's purify "remove all negative status ailments" didn't work on psy debuffs.

Thats what I meant by saying given its track record the stealth actually says removes debuffs the second one that is but tested it on poison totally didn't work so its probably situational.

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wrong actually...............sage summer sprint can purify :P "Removes all debuffs" although given its track record not so much but venos can get lots of life and lots of magic defense and nova yah get the point? No? well purge sure does AoE purges are so pretty so many venos too means so many purges and your cool downs don't quite like purges since things like black voodoo don't get purged you still take extra damage from that. Sides your talking 1v1 and yours takes sparks Venos don't need sparks and can actually spam themselves with sparks if they did. Venos are sooooo much faster then you slow psys by that time they could feral concentration. Granted some could beat them but Venos have more tricks then you seem to think and your talking about a duel situation where you always get everything you want in a war you don't. Some venos actually have more then 1 nix for that very reason in fact there was one on HT had like 3 of them.

I'm having trouble understanding this post but voodoo doesn't take sparks. It's a spammable skill with like 8 second cooldown. The things with epic cooldowns or chi requirements can't be purged.

And Soulburn can't be purified. I know that for sure; dunno how many times someone tried to sage/demon spark and ended up killing themselves.

And if you wanna talk epic cooldown, talk Feral concentration.


But the big point, time and time again: against a cata group with 120+ defense level, your damage on them is gonna be BALLS. No way in hell you can one shot them, no way in hell you can out-damage the Bubble of Life spam that's going on. And before you can even get clear shots at the cata squad, you gotta get through the dozens of DD Psys in black voodoo who can stun you for 6-second, who have the EXACT same hard-hitting soulforce spells that the cata squad has.

I mean we're talking about an enemy team of 80 where EVERY single one of them hurts you when you attack them. You're constantly taking damage, and you're constantly at risk of setting off a 25-30% chance of getting silenced for up to 5 seconds. All the while, they're attacking you, and they hit VERY hard and VERY fast.

I think I read somewhere once that attack/def lvls have deminishing returns higher up, and 100def lvl would result in 50% less dmg. Any high lvl psy can confrim/deny this?

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

Whichever team presses the "O" key the most.

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The best of the best means they have all pressed it as much as they can pretty much.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think I read somewhere once that attack/def lvls have deminishing returns higher up, and 100def lvl would result in 50% less dmg. Any high lvl psy can confrim/deny this?

Alittle reading on archer forums can tell you a good bit about this. So far as people can tell defense and attack lvl will counter act as its supposed to. Attack lvl does so far keep in line with its description and adds 1% per attack lvl over defense lvl. Defense lvl works on a so far unknown formula but a couple formulas are close. and we do know that 50% less dmg is close to 73-74 def lvl over attack lvl. So the whole defense lvl psy doesn't work as well as they were stating, though it would highly lower the dmg of attack lvl stacked dd's (which there are alot of), But I still do think that even with amazingly high def lvl. That psy pulling cat is still very killable.

Now as far as my opinion on the single class tw. Is it'd be very hard to say since there are different idea's of endgame. Like on barbs, There are not that many 30-40k hp barbs. many barbs don't reach 20k hp, and call themselves endgame. Just like end game wizards, some call endgame wizards the ones who have 10k hp 10k pdef and +12 weap. though many wizards will call themselves endgame with about half of that.

Basically because of the different ideas of endgame, and what it can be and what it is. you run into problems. Because different classes, get different boost, at different stages of gear, at different lvl's of refinement.

semi on topic:
an archer on HarshLands successfully defended land alone against a small faction. i think he was defending two lands at the same time for a bit then focused on one. i would love to be able to explain how he did it, but he was pretty well drunk and slurring his German accented English on vent.
so if one drunken archer can defeat a small guild, i guess my vote goes to team archer.

Maybe that archer was so drunk that he actualy dreamed that b:laugh

anwynd wrote: »

team wizard is my choice imagine 80 BIDS going off on team barb lol

imagine a 100 barb with lv 11 armageddoning all the bids instant death for all teh wizz's lol a barb hits aramgeddon wizzys die clerics die smart barb team whoudl use iron invoek the sprit then pop a 2x spark pot use ToP n armagddon imagine that it be so sexy to wwatch 80 wizzys instantly dieb:laugh

I am assuming people don't have fantasy +11 gear on 80 people. A few, sure, maybe even 10 or 20%, ok, but I doubt you can find 80 wizards with +11 gear on most servers.

And people in general are giving too little credit to:

1. the towers
2. the fact that you have to pull and hold a cata
3. the fact that certain classes will work HA and AA.

Considering all of those, not just who can pwn who in the field, I think venos are being WAAAAY underrated

HA +
nice hp gain should they choose vit build +
nix (by itself against a single target, sure not much of a factor, but it effectively doubles the number of targets the opponent needs to tab) +
AA builds to dd HA classes +
movement speed

All these makes them very, very attractive to field a dynamic single class TW army.

Clerics too a bit underrated: buffs+self/other heal+HA builds+AA builds+vit builds+magic damage+phys damage . . . .

And barbs too - am I the only one that gets pwn'd by BigP outta nowhere 20x in every tw? I can't be.

Archers are probably my first choice simply because they are good in open field pvp and can open up barrage to hold a base.

So to my mind, I think archers, barbs, venos and clerics have to be ranked pretty high given their versatility.

Wizards are over-rated in this thread imo because they can't run fast for catas, they can't stand and deliver against archers for very long at all, let alone in a base with towers pew pewing them, they are more of a sitting duck at respawn than venos, archers, barbs anyone since without stone barrier they have 0 pdef. All wizard army could open any TW with one heck of a bloodbath, to be sure, but WIN the TW? No way.

So are sins - and I love sins, but on a massive scale wizards aoe would destroy sins as badly as sins destroy wizards 1 vs 1. They are far less effective against HA classes, so how they would get past barbs, bms, venos, ill never know.

Defender would win after 3 hours when both crystals were untouched.

Sin hands down. Any other comeback is just lolwut u dont play this game.

Ajani - Harshlands wrote: »

Sin hands down. Any other comeback is just lolwut u dont play this game.

wizards dropping BIDS left and right on random sins, knocking/killing others out of stealth, and using DB to block off important areas/knock them out of stealth is going to wreak havoc on them.

Sins aren't good a TW for the simple reason that too many AOEs are used and they can't move around very easily without being wtfpwnt

Nice necro BLOODMYSTIC. I think psy would do okay in a single class war. And with most of our self-buffs being unpurgeable, that would give us a some advantage against venos and purge bows I guess.