Balancing of the game

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

If sins had some hidden flaws/weakness during 1v1 pvp and pve, it would have been found out by now. There really is none, beside sins being dead meat if they're found by a higher lvl assassin outside of sz.

Ruxal - Harshlands wrote: »

After lvl 90 balance goes through the window. 3.33 aps anything and sins officially own PWI. I'm playing a dead/dying class. Also if youre a wiz u get accustomed to getting kicked in favor of aps players. Thaks PWI you excel at making wizards irrelevant. Yippee for seekers whose AOE makes db irrelevat as well.

Seriously just delete wizzies from server since you hate us so bad. And no I don't want to play any other class cause I like wizzies.

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Can people please stop referring to tideborns as new classes. Sins + psys have been out for way over 1 year already. If i have to read 1 more post about "assassin is a new class and you just need to find the right strategy to beat them" i will probably puke. Way to keep living in the past, seriously go look at a calendar its 2011 and Tideborn expansion was in 2009 <_<

If sins had some hidden flaws/weakness during 1v1 pvp and pve, it would have been found out by now. There really is none, beside sins being dead meat if they're found by a higher lvl assassin outside of sz.

Earthguard is the new race with new classes btw if anyone actually missed that.

Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »

Google now has your post tied to SO MANY COMPANY NAME SEARCHES. b:chuckle

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

Well tbh I haven't read any of the threads on this forum in many months, but seeing as I am completely bored at the moment, I figured no harm in making a thread before i log off. Now this might be the wrong area to post the thread but who cares really? These ideas may also have already been stated elsewhere but as I stated, I don't read these forums anymore.

Now what most people at least on my server are sick of besides pretty much everything in the game, is the imbalance between APS and everything else, moreover just an imbalance between sins and.. everything else.

Now you can't really do what is needed which would be completely removing tideborns from existence, seeing as Assassins are probably your single greatest money making abomination next to packs. So let me throw out an idea or two that might help in balancing them out with the rest of the game.

1. Make reflect skills work in PVP. (IE: Bramble, Bramble Hood, Demon Roar, Alpha Male, Reflective Aura, etc.) What does this do? Well for starters let's see a sin triple spark on a BM and try to kill him when he is brambled. 90% of these sins will drop over dead before they even bypass the charm. Or let's see them try to kill a veno through bramble hood (yes they can do this, and easily) they would die in 2 seconds trying this **** which they shouldn't be able to do in the first place.

2. Make KNOCKBACK skills work in pvp. Now I use to play a game that I won't mention the name of but in that game knockback was possibly the most OP annoying BS ever but that was because it was implemented on every attack of the archer class due to the bow they used. Now just using knockback skills (IE: mage phoenix, archer knockback arrow/knockback aoe, barb slam, etc) these skills have a cool-down so this will not be as broken as the example i gave. What would this do? Well sins are a melee class knocking them back means they can't hit you at least for a short period of time.

((**EDIT**: This would also require a change in the definition of anti-stun to make it resistant to knockback as well as other movement impairments))

These are just two ideas I thought of about balancing the game in general. Now I will give one last idea in balancing the Assassin class specifically, and for the record I was discussing this with one of the top 3 sins on Lost City server (hint: he is 104) and he agreed completely that his class NEEDS to be nerfed. Now here is the idea..

*Change the Forced Stealth skill to costing 1 spark to use instead of giving one spark when you use it.

Simple enough, no?

Well I really have nothing else to add atm. Flame on.

Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »

So trying to cut the head off of someone in cloth armor shouldnt be a oneshot? Uh..... gtfo please. Im not denying anything. Sins themselves are not OP. Seriously. Try playing one, you might figre it out. Its the easy access to 5aps combined with stealth that is rigging OP.


---Anyone who doesnt thinks the mage archtype shouldnt be oneshottable by the rogue archtype has some issues with the idea of pros and cons.

You ever seen a strong wizard wipe 10+ people at once with 1/2 spells? Be thankful sins cant do that.

---The thing you should be complaining about is being able to take the Tank types out in a matter of moments, THAT is whats broken.

Added bonus. Unless you have a particularly strong set of daggers, few good mages are oneshots at 10x, where PvP gets interesting.

Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »

You ever seen a strong wizard wipe 10+ people at once with 1/2 spells? Be thankful sins cant do that.

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

Sins CAN do that.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

What would also happen with this is that all of the close range classes would be pretty much useless in group PvP: just bramble all of your party and anyone who attacks you from close range dies, unless they purify you. Not to mention that there would be people who would level venomancer alts just to bramble their mains, which would cause even more problems.

Hmm, when bramble still worked, BM;s had no Problem with Bramble or bramblehood, hood is basically like invoke, just kite. Bramble is only deadly when you use fists against them, and the damage reflection is something that can be surpassed quite fast if you use hard hitting single attack skills. So from what you said, i recon you haven;t gotten much expirience with bramble do you, or using skills in that matter

Again, this is not really a good idea. A max range Archer would be practically untouchable with knockback arrow and Wingspan. Especially since Demon Wingspan casts Winged Shell on the Archer.

Again, you do not seem 2 have much expirience here either. its a lvl 5 shield for one, meaning 1 hit, not much of a troublesome feature. Secondly...euhm ever heard of teleport stun? I can KB maybe, ok, but if you tele 2 me, and learn 2 use your stunlocking skills, like BM's USED 2, then this would also be not a problem at all.


And that would pretty much make it useless in PvP. Not to mention that its function as a final safety guard in PvE would also be taken away. So it'd effectively be useless as anything but a tool to reset mobs that accidentally aggroed you.

How so? You can go invisable at the cost of 1 spark, and wait for things to finish CD, then re-engage. That's the point of the entire skill, its not supposed 2 be a chi machine, although that;s what it's used for now. Sins pop up from stealth, kill go back into stealth, single target assasins! Ya'll suck in TW type of PvP situations, secondly, if you wouldn't be able 2 stealth kill people, you wouldn;t last half as much as you do now. the stealth is basically like going into the Safe zone, and waiting for things 2 cool down, while recharging sparks. Seems to me, that it costing 1 spark makes more then perfect sense.