Balancing of the game

Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »

Ok, imagine THIS:

You drop in on a group and Armageddon.

3 of them have Bramble up.

You just died. In one hit.

THAT is why Bramble is not good for PVP. It would make Mage types almost immune to even being attacked by Physical classes.

If the impact of it was greatly reduced, then it wouldnt be so bad, but at like 60% return, its just stupid. For Bramble Hood im less incline to dislike it, due to it being temporary and having an expensive spark cost, much like a barbs 2 spark bless skill.

---As for knockbacks, in the air its already too hard to fight as a melee class vs archers, they stun, drop and fly sideways. You then have to follow them, while getting repeatedly stunned or immobilised, because you dont move fast. Remember there is no holy path in the air. As for immunity to stuns etc extending to pushbacks... Again no, youd be able to survive like 1 pushback, get in range and pewf, your (On average) 10 seconds of immunity are gone. Wizards can travel faster in the air than anyone else, at least for short distances, if they could will you away, youd have no chance in hell of covering the space again within cooldown. Earthquake (Genie skill) would become very popular all of a sudden as a second pushback in PVP too.

With both active as youd like, with buffs....

You sir, as a barb would never stand a chance against a wizard ever again. Ever. At all. Venos would laugh at you, nix pecking away while they cast and kite and you weaken yourself on bramble. Clerics would giggle, they wouldnt need to attack, just heal over the damage they take. Psychics would run around in black voodoo, knowing that the bramble means a sin is likely to 3shot themselves when they attack, as well as having their own omg power on tap, Other sins would be happy when they crit return on bramble against you, (Oh yes, sins crit with bramble returns and Wolf Emblem has effect, eat that)...... Just lol.

Archers would lol pushback you for fun, and I suspect with 2 archers you could have a damn good game of pong, using a corpse or 4 for goals. Other barbs would never frigging die, theyed knock you back, and by the time you got back to them, theyve had like another 2 seconds to cooloff charm, then bang knockbacked by Earthquake, another second, then bankg stunned, more time......

Your ideas suck for plenty of reason. And largly, they suck for you more than they suck for me. I can Shadow teleport / Shadow Jump to targets in the air within a good range, I can close in unseen with a good chance of immobilising and of course, I can Maze -Steps Ironguard through the reflect (You can do this, kinda I guess. But lol, not as effectively).

Oooh! Seals. If pushbacks work, Seals will too. Lol when you use Expel, youl end up pegging it for the horizon. If I use Throatcut, you run away for 4 seconds. Wizard Seal is ANOTHER pushback.... Lol and wow. The only one that wouldnt suck is Nova, and thats because you get immobilised too.

b:chuckle Lol ideas, thisd be amusing, for like a day.

--The only one that made sense was the Shadow Escape Nerf, and a few sins HAVE pointed out that losing the point of the skill (Escaping) because it costs sparks, would make the entire skill useless. We have a cooldown, and that is the problem. you need to take wave one, and then wave 2. If you survive wave 2, there is no wave 3, not for well over a minute, so we die. Try jumping around, it does wonders to stop you getting roflraped, especially when you get stunned in the air.

Im with the idea of it costing a spark, but only if you have one. If you cannot cast it without spark, then the skill is useless and you have broken the class, not nerfed them.

Aaaaaaaaaaand on a personal note. Im not APS built and never will be. However robes hate me all the more, because I often oneshot them No time to AD from that, at all. I not be OP, I just be me.

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

I don't see where all this QQ about Forced Stealth costing 1 spark stems from. Sins already have chi flowing out of their asses. I remember a main reason for me going sage wiz was the 50 chi a minute from Master Li's. You guys get 100 chi a minute with no channeling/cast + attacking skills that give insane amounts of chi.

You don't see me getting 1 spark when I psy will do you?

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

Well tbh I haven't read any of the threads on this forum in many months, but seeing as I am completely bored at the moment, I figured no harm in making a thread before i log off. Now this might be the wrong area to post the thread but who cares really? These ideas may also have already been stated elsewhere but as I stated, I don't read these forums anymore.

Now what most people at least on my server are sick of besides pretty much everything in the game, is the imbalance between APS and everything else, moreover just an imbalance between sins and.. everything else.

Now you can't really do what is needed which would be completely removing tideborns from existence, seeing as Assassins are probably your single greatest money making abomination next to packs. So let me throw out an idea or two that might help in balancing them out with the rest of the game.

1. Make reflect skills work in PVP. (IE: Bramble, Bramble Hood, Demon Roar, Alpha Male, Reflective Aura, etc.) What does this do? Well for starters let's see a sin triple spark on a BM and try to kill him when he is brambled. 90% of these sins will drop over dead before they even bypass the charm. Or let's see them try to kill a veno through bramble hood (yes they can do this, and easily) they would die in 2 seconds trying this **** which they shouldn't be able to do in the first place.

2. Make KNOCKBACK skills work in pvp. Now I use to play a game that I won't mention the name of but in that game knockback was possibly the most OP annoying BS ever but that was because it was implemented on every attack of the archer class due to the bow they used. Now just using knockback skills (IE: mage phoenix, archer knockback arrow/knockback aoe, barb slam, etc) these skills have a cool-down so this will not be as broken as the example i gave. What would this do? Well sins are a melee class knocking them back means they can't hit you at least for a short period of time.

((**EDIT**: This would also require a change in the definition of anti-stun to make it resistant to knockback as well as other movement impairments))

These are just two ideas I thought of about balancing the game in general. Now I will give one last idea in balancing the Assassin class specifically, and for the record I was discussing this with one of the top 3 sins on Lost City server (hint: he is 104) and he agreed completely that his class NEEDS to be nerfed. Now here is the idea..

*Change the Forced Stealth skill to costing 1 spark to use instead of giving one spark when you use it.

Simple enough, no?

Well I really have nothing else to add atm. Flame on.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

I never, ever, said anything about it making assassins completely useless, but the suggested nerf, adding a 1 spark cost to it, would make the skill useless.

And do I need to remind you that Archers got much luxury from being ranged? For example, being outside of aoes. Sins don't get that. Oh and if stuff gets ugly, an Archer can holy path out and be pretty decently safe, considering the distance they can put between themselves and the boss.

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sins used to be able to triple spark while in stealth.

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As someone once pointed out, sparking in stealth to begin with makes no sense. They are hiding, and sparking is a massive burst of light. How can anyone not see that massive burst of light?

For that matter, how do you "hide in shadows" in broad daylight when there are no shadows around to hide in? Lets also not forget that people can SEE shadows all the time. The stealth itself makes no sense even in the game world itself.

Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »

TW you have backup and archers / casters take out the brambled people. There are also purges flying everywhere.

PvP is PvP no matter where it's at so all defensive skills should work no matter where anyone is at. And what's stopping someone in OPEN PvP from getting a bramble buff from a veno before they go out ganking others.

In PvP you are not gaurenteed to have a bramble counter, and in most cases, you wont.

See above.

Having a victory because someone cannot attack you is a more phail victory than HeadHunting a Level 30 From stealth when you are Lv 105.

But a victory from attacking a toon who's defense buffs are nerfed in open PvP is not fail? LOL. And speaking of not being able to attack someone - sins, stealth, stunlock, ranged vs. melee , etc. With that logic the entire game has been broken from day one.

SilentGodai - Lost City wrote: »

If you need more clarifying. Assassins = Stealth , disguise , killing from the shadow and escape before noticing.

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

I fail to see why sins should have a panic button that lets them get away scot free. This is after you start with the element of surprise as well.

Hhlolz - Harshlands wrote: »

Its rediculous that psy/sin buffs cant be debuffed..
what exactly is the reason for this?
They arent OP enough?

sleepcat wrote: »

If you learn to be more tolerant, maybe you won't irritate yourself all the time. :O