An Early GM Response to the TW Changes

this is the worst patch that has ever come across in the gaming world (next patch will be that every class only has 3 starting skills and the rest has be bought in boutique for more fair gameplay)

TW was alot of fun, 10mil really was guud motivation to get up at 5am and with it i was able to get back costs like repair, pots, charm or whatever.

TW now is fun coz i will get like 150 mirages from it, this means i will get only aprox18% of what i used to get when my leader distributed the money


PLAYER question: Oooh no! how about catas and towers? How about charms and repair costs???

PWI mod :catas and towers? wth you get 150 mirages what are you complaining about? and the charm, repair, etc cost? dont worry we are going to make it even more fair, we are going to add packs that contain tw repair hammers and a charm

PWI player monitor: Hehhhhh? we lost 200.000 players in the last few days

PWI mod: Guud, now i finally have some time to play *removed*;D

PLAYER: -_- Well,,, its back to **removed** then at least they don't have patches that ruin the game

Kiaxn - Archosaur wrote: »

Im not reading 64 pages of mind numbing nonsence .. just 1 question ... why mirages .. I already have a ** load of those I never use

Because it was originally going to be sadness cards, but they felt that would be too blatant of a slap in the face.

Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:angry and yea why not warsoul frags damned...b:chuckle

They're giving out badges for soon to be implemented r9 gear already, so that's actually not a half bad idea.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

They're giving out badges for soon to be implemented r9 gear already, so that's actually not a half bad idea.

TBH those are pretty useless, only the 1% will qualify and only a percentage will be willing to continue dumping money to get them since the game has gone to ****, supply will most likely over shadow the real demand causing them to be near worthless.

Aelric - Lost City wrote: »

how do you people even have enough rep for rank 9 >.> I've always been extremely behind on rep becuz it is literally impossible to get enough to keep up with your level

People buy it.

Waiter, this isn't what I ordered.

That's OK, this dish is delicious. I tried it once.

But I ordered steak.

I know, I know, but you'll like the shrimp better.

But I'm allergic to shellfish.

You're not allergic to these shellfish. Trust me.

I could go into respiratory failure.

Don't worry. If that happens, I'll get you a steak.

b:infuriated

frankieraye wrote: »

Update:

The changes should make TW far more competitive.

The old way, once a faction holds half the map, they are making 300M coin per week, which leads to:

#1 - Poaching elite players from smaller factions who want to get in on the Coins.

#2 - Being able to either pay for charms or fake bids, both of which give them a huge advantage over a non-TW faction.

So the huge faction continues winning its battles (whether they are legit battles or fake battles), and it wins 90% of every winning bid. Legit wins give them a new source of income, and fake bid wins only cost them 10% of the bid that they themselves made (keep in mind that you don't need charms for a fake battle).

Eventually, the dominant faction has enough coins to outbid everyone for 200M coins each through fake bids. They then get back 90% of each of these 200M coin bids. The map ultimately is entirely theirs.

This is why, with the former system, PW in Malaysia and China ultimately ended up with the territory war map completely taken over and nothing anyone could do about it.


With the new rules in place, huge factions will no longer be getting enough coins from the TW system to be able to afford Charms and fake bids every week. You will no longer have to depend on a faction disbanding out of the kindness of its heart to have a diverse TW map.

Right what u say but why taking the incentive almost completely away? What about those factions who managed to bring back TWs to thier respective servers again despite the monopoly that is engendered by the TW system? With 150 mirages I wonder who is willing to put the effort in TWs like before if the incentive is gone? Why not making a compromise for those factions who put a lot of effort and cash into this part of the game?

Just have a look at Sanctuary server in the past few month and you see that the problem of map domination shouldn't be changed by drying out the sources for coins like this but by another TW system where the powerful factions have to fight more often and land can't be held as easily as before.

And again like in other updates the example of PW Malaysia and China has been taken as bad example although pwi is different.

And please don't use the irony ("out of the kindness of its heart to have a diverse TW map") above that gives players of not huge factions the impression as if all players of huge factions sit on their coin and it depends of their goodwill to have good TW. This is quite a generalisation. Some are like this, others aren't. Those who are aren't reason enough to dry out the TW pay as it happened imo.

Listening/hearing or not....stock market doesn't lie. If they decide to ignore that too...well...that would probably the dumbest move of the company ever.

drjiggle wrote: »

Waiter, this isn't what I ordered.

That's OK, this dish is delicious. I tried it once.

But I ordered steak.

I know, I know, but you'll like the shrimp better.

But I'm allergic to shellfish.

You're not allergic to these shellfish. Trust me.

I could go into respiratory failure.

Don't worry. If that happens, I'll get you a steak.

b:infuriated

I had the exact same thought cooking dinner last night, lol

frankieraye wrote: »

I think awarding Wraith Officer Badges is an interesting suggestion, and something I can propose to the Devs. What are some other non-coin rewards that you guys think might work?

I have come up with a few ideas which I think may be feasible to give in addition to / in replacement of R9 badges.

Basically, something which is desirable and could be sold by the winning faction to make coin to send as pay, or kept within the faction to 'power up' members.

Items such as: (some exist in the game, others are fictional ones that i just made up, yet seem reasonable and shouldn't be a problem to implement)

TT100 'Red mats'
Scroll of Tome
Advanced Scroll of Tome (create a tome 1 grade higher than the current scroll of tome)
Cube Stamp
Advanced Cube Stamp (create a G15 or 16 cube necklace)
Warsong Belt
Advanced Warsong belt (G15 / 16 belt)
Helm of Holy punishment
H'rage boots
Rapture Chest
Big Rapture Chest (more rapts than normal chest)
Canny chest
Big Canny chest (more cannies)

Basically.. desirable items which are sought after by fairly rich players. I feel the R9 badge is not going to be desired enough, as indications show that R9 gear will be amazingly expensive, enough so to put a lot of the current R8 people off progressing to R9.

With desirable items like the ones listed above, a small guild may get a 300m++ pay off, to pay their members, should they wish to sell. The items are desirable and buyers wont be limited to a 'super rich 1 or 2' people per server.

I know im about 20 pages late, sorry about that ;> b:shockedb:cuteb:bye

I used to have a bunch of fun watching everyone bid and counter bid, that's gone too.

VILKASS: b:sad I miss the 69696969 Regi bids b:sad As well as some other WC-system bid wars between one of the big VS a nub faction, just for lols b:chuckle

frankieraye wrote: »

You will no longer have to depend on a faction disbanding out of the kindness of its heart to have a diverse TW map.

You didn't have to rely on that BEFORE the patch
The factions of Sanctuary managed to work together and coordinate attacks against the "red" faction that held the entire map and were successful in bringing TW back from the dead there.

The TW system in this game was horrendously broken and this patch has only put the nail in the coffin.

Factions will no longer be able to do what Regicide, Legendary, Enelysion, RedRaiders and Amplified did on Sanctuary. Each of those factions got rolled in 5 minutes attacking alone, but when they attacked together, they were able to take down a much more powerful faction. If they had not been able to do so, the Sanctuary map would likely still be completely red. The ability to coordinate those simultaneous attacks has been removed, as have the piddly rewards. TW pay might have been a lot back in the days of 100k gold, but in the post-pack era of 400k+ gold, it wasn't even a FRACTION of what you would have spent on TW, now it is even less.

We as players have been telling you for a long time now what was broken with the TW system and have given many valid suggestions on how to fix it. PWE listened to none of it.

We as players have been telling you for a long time now what was broken with the in-game economy and have given many valid suggestions on how to fix it. Once again, PWE didn't listen.

This patch has taken an already broken system and made it even worse. If PWE truly intended to fix the economy, they might have listened to their player base. This patch proved to me that PWE has no idea what goes on in-game and is completely out of touch with its player base.

For the past few months, the only things keeping me in this game were TW and not wanting to walk away from something that I had spent a ridiculous amount of RL cash on. It certainly wasn't the content, because lets face it, there is none after lvl 90 or so. Well, Nirvana...but why bother farming Nirvana gear when you don't have anything to do once you have it? There are a great deal of 100+ players that only ever logged on for TW....now TW is essentially dead.

I've been factionless for a few weeks now and have been on the fence in regards to leaving the game completely as there wasn't anything for me to do except TW once a week. Well, after this patch, I have no desire to even log on, let alone sink another cent into this broken game, so thank you PWI, for giving me the incentive I needed to stop spending RL cash on pixels. b:cute

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

Exactly. I'm sure the GMs heard about what Essence did for 5 hours straight after the patch. I just hope they know they are running out of time to fix this before it happens again and doesn't stop.

Pray tell? b:question

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

What did they do? Sorry I'm on Trolling Tides b:cute

5 hours straight of killing anyone and everyone that happened to stumble out of safezone and wasn't in Essence to the major QQing of the server.