[Discussion of Territory War Changes 8-5-10]

Logan_Morgan - Lost City wrote: »

is there a problem with that?

the servers have been flooded with coin from nien event and from best luck tokens we need a good coin sink to balance it out. i see this as a good thing they just need to lay off the packs for a few months and then we will see the ecconomy return to some sembalance of normal.

Nope, no objections there. In fact I wondered what kind of device the higher ones would pull up to get rid of accumulated coins.
And I must say it is quite interesting. I'll look forward to what happens.

And since I don't go for TW, I have no reason to QQ around.

frankieraye wrote: »

It's a valid point, but still, 500M+ coins going into the server every week as TW payouts surely had an effect on the economy, don't you agree?

If you make statements like that and follow that logic...wouldn't you agree the HUNDREDS of perfect tokens nonstop being introduced for 5 million a pop affects the economy MORE then the 500kk in tw pay each week? As it stands now what is the "reward" for owning land w/ these changes? 1. Free port once an hr 2. Can use officers to refine etc. 3. 4/6? lands have some specific apothecary items that can be manufactured ONLY there. Hardly worthwhile to bust ure ****/gear up for that now isn't it?

This is getting stupid, we might as well leave the facebook pwi team and put the devs in their place, we can only get alittle bit of controll through facebook, since they have to advertise

Kill the fun or kill the greed? b:surrender we know most of the powerful guilds members are cshoppers... mmm u still can afford it i think

Squirrel - Harshlands wrote: »

ohhhh and change back font style this huge font is VEEEEEEEEEERY STUPID

So is not knowing how to use a slider.

I read about 29 Pages of this **** till it reached 80 pages.

I am from a TW faction in Sanctuary, i just started and i totally love it, but you know what? Doing TW isnt cheap.

Yes i read ALL of the QQers about how TW is just for greedy ppl and their cashopping wuhu yada yada, how they say "go farm/tt/nirvana/whatever" but guess what? i dont have the time you might have to spend all your freaking day in spaming an instance in killing mobs or in what ever you do to make money in order to pay for TW wich will happen the next week and the next and the next and the next... yay for PWE and their nerfing our game.

Everyone complains about it, how they say you should farm and what ever, but flash news, being in a TW faction with 1 or 2 lands is different to BIG TW factions that have to defend 15 lands or more and actually GET RAP.ED while doing it. Yeah try going on triple defences charmless with +4/+5 gear and those who come at you to take your land got charms, nirvana gear and everything +12.

This implement is bc China version is effed up, guess what? We are not the china version, we give you quite enough money for quality, wich isnt even there bc we have had the same bugs for months, and now we apparently have to give you even MORE money to spend in a game that for us high lvls will be no fun anymore.

Dont get me wrong i will continue doing TW, but as far as im concerned im not spending 1 more dime in the game not even if there comes the anni pack with her **** kids 3 times and they have even more babies and pollute the whole PWI.

TW was never meant to do money, so just you know we waste more of our coin trying to defend or to attack, we will never make enough money out of TW for us to spend in our gears, just like you we actually farm nirvana, bust our asses work on TT or any other instance you wanna call in order to get gear that is for TW and then the mirages (oh wait no more to worry on that end) to refine it and then the Dorbs to refine it even more to even stand a chance to those that can actually spend 100 dlls every day and get their awesome gear withouth having to work too much for it.

TW is the main reason many lvls 100+ still stay in game, more than half of them have alts, more than half of them spend their time on an alt working it up till there is time for bidding going back to their big faction and waiting to see "what we attack or defend this week"

The way you have implemented the new things for TW is just going to make lvls 100+ either rage quit, slowly quit or simply not spending any more money in charms/items/gold overall

whats the point of it really? 150 mirages!! yay!! oh oh wait you have to divide that in between uh... 80+ members that went to that TW and in case we got replacements in those TW there goes like 20+ ppl more and then whats left of the faction the other 100 ppl ohh we dong have enough mirages to give them back the millions they just spend in charms/pots/hpmpfood/and what so ever.

PWE dev if you are trying to make us stop playing you are on the right tracks, i see you dont value the money in your pockets anymore, money that btw we have spent in an online game that will give me nothing material back and that i can stop playing at any minute.

Just saying, you like your job? Hear the client. You like to be able to spend money on your food/clothes/family/or w/e? Make a change. It has been said over 10 times in this thread, dont "fix" something that isnt broken, watch out for your economy you might like updating your curriculum vitae in order to be able to work in another company that will probably not hire you bc of how you let this game perish.

For the other games: fear the anni packs and their evil spreading, they suck up the worlds vital signs and make the devs even more of a golddigger

shigekame wrote: »

I read about 29 Pages of this **** till it reached 80 pages.

I am from a TW faction in Sanctuary, i just started and i totally love it, but you know what? Doing TW isnt cheap.

Yes i read ALL of the QQers about how TW is just for greedy ppl and their cashopping wuhu yada yada, how they say "go farm/tt/nirvana/whatever" but guess what? i dont have the time you might have to spend all your freaking day in spaming an instance in killing mobs or in what ever you do to make money in order to pay for TW wich will happen the next week and the next and the next and the next... yay for PWE and their nerfing our game.

Everyone complains about it, how they say you should farm and what ever, but flash news, being in a TW faction with 1 or 2 lands is different to BIG TW factions that have to defend 15 lands or more and actually GET RAP.ED while doing it. Yeah try going on triple defences charmless with +4/+5 gear and those who come at you to take your land got charms, nirvana gear and everything +12.

This implement is bc China version is effed up, guess what? We are not the china version, we give you quite enough money for quality, wich isnt even there bc we have had the same bugs for months, and now we apparently have to give you even MORE money to spend in a game that for us high lvls will be no fun anymore.

Dont get me wrong i will continue doing TW, but as far as im concerned im not spending 1 more dime in the game not even if there comes the anni pack with her **** kids 3 times and they have even more babies and pollute the whole PWI.

TW was never meant to do money, so just you know we waste more of our coin trying to defend or to attack, we will never make enough money out of TW for us to spend in our gears, just like you we actually farm nirvana, bust our asses work on TT or any other instance you wanna call in order to get gear that is for TW and then the mirages (oh wait no more to worry on that end) to refine it and then the Dorbs to refine it even more to even stand a chance to those that can actually spend 100 dlls every day and get their awesome gear withouth having to work too much for it.

TW is the main reason many lvls 100+ still stay in game, more than half of them have alts, more than half of them spend their time on an alt working it up till there is time for bidding going back to their big faction and waiting to see "what we attack or defend this week"

The way you have implemented the new things for TW is just going to make lvls 100+ either rage quit, slowly quit or simply not spending any more money in charms/items/gold overall

whats the point of it really? 150 mirages!! yay!! oh oh wait you have to divide that in between uh... 80+ members that went to that TW and in case we got replacements in those TW there goes like 20+ ppl more and then whats left of the faction the other 100 ppl ohh we dong have enough mirages to give them back the millions they just spend in charms/pots/hpmpfood/and what so ever.

PWE dev if you are trying to make us stop playing you are on the right tracks, i see you dont value the money in your pockets anymore, money that btw we have spent in an online game that will give me nothing material back and that i can stop playing at any minute.

Just saying, you like your job? Hear the client. You like to be able to spend money on your food/clothes/family/or w/e? Make a change. It has been said over 10 times in this thread, dont "fix" something that isnt broken, watch out for your economy you might like updating your curriculum vitae in order to be able to work in another company that will probably not hire you bc of how you let this game perish.

For the other games: fear the anni packs and their evil spreading, they suck up the worlds vital signs and make the devs even more of a golddigger

agreed to this post..and all other same posts.. >.< there are lots of them dont wanna quote them all

Vyxxee - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't know if I buy that line.

The heavy cash shoppers were buying all the packs yesterday and for the last year according to your scenario, yet suddenly gold is jumping. I would think it's based on something more than just packs.


Aren't forums here to learn from? Maybe you should get out then since you're the all-knowing-brain.

Oh right, I forgot, the forum is here to bawl your eyes out in..

Forums are here to learn from, so learn this:

The first time packs came out, gold JUMPED to 600k

The only reason gold ISN'T that high with the latest pack sales is because everybody is working out that the redressed anniversary packs have crappier drop rates and because packs aren't rare or special any more, nor the things they give you. The FC gold weapons from packs?

Forty million or more when they first came out. You now can buy an FC gold weapon, however, for twenty million.

Gold prices are high because all the cash shoppers are both buying packs and selling gold, depending on what gets them more revenue. Heavy merchanters are getting packs to sell them to everybody else - because Frostcovered and Lunar weapons are now a standard due to packs being released so many times.

THAT is why gold prices are still rising. The people who are here complaining and threatening to quit? They aren't buying packs from the boutique. And while some might be buying packs from other players, the majority of us here right now aren't funding this madness by buying packs from players, or from the boutique.

So please, take your assumptions that we're all just here complaining because we can but are still buying packs where nobody can see and get out, because you clearly have no idea how this game was before packs came out and your assumptions are downright wrong.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Forums are here to learn from, so learn this:

The first time packs came out, gold JUMPED to 600k

The only reason gold ISN'T that high with the latest pack sales is because everybody is working out that the redressed anniversary packs have crappier drop rates and because packs aren't rare or special any more, nor the things they give you. The FC gold weapons from packs?

Forty million or more when they first came out. You now can buy an FC gold weapon, however, for twenty million.

Gold prices are high because all the cash shoppers are both buying packs and selling gold, depending on what gets them more revenue. Heavy merchanters are getting packs to sell them to everybody else - because Frostcovered and Lunar weapons are now a standard due to packs being released so many times.

THAT is why gold prices are still rising. The people who are here complaining and threatening to quit? They aren't buying packs from the boutique. And while some might be buying packs from other players, the majority of us here right now aren't funding this madness by buying packs from players, or from the boutique.

So please, take your assumptions that we're all just here complaining because we can but are still buying packs where nobody can see and get out, because you clearly have no idea how this game was before packs came out and your assumptions are downright wrong.

Totally agree, b:lipcurl thanks u greedy cashppers and pw system for destroying this game

I totally support this change. Big, land-owning factions can't jack the economy anymore. That's a good thing, peoples. TWing for fun, not profit? Awesome!

Sherae - Lost City wrote: »

Tw is the scapegoat in this situation
packs and sales jack the economy

if you would have seen the gold prices b4 packs u would have crapped yourself at the change

but those days are gone...

wow were both still here I agree TW isn't the big issue

GMs, we know you work for other peoples and you've to follow their lines, but please, at least, don't try to make fool of us.
Most of people here spend RL money in game, and that makes also your job going, they don't like being fooled, neither do I, even tho I never bought gold.
If you start declaring "martial law" (you serious? what is this, fascism?), editing posts and banning people, you can't expect that people will remain calm.
That is. I don't blame your job, I just blame you making fun of us.

The real issue is that all the damn packs. They're the reason why the economy is in the crapper. Dropping DQ prices, limited dungeon times, creating a USELESS daily, punishing guilds who TW.

So far it's been almost 83 pages of QQ and it has been what? 4 hours since the servers came back online?

Let's see how people get along with the new updates, including the new TW system.

Rome wasn't built in a day, y'know?

2. Bids will no longer be refunded. If your bid was not high enough to win, the coins involved will be lost. This should minimize the occurrence of dishonest or fake bids.

3. The TW victor no longer receives any part of the winning bid. This should also minimize the occurrence of dishonest or fake bids.

I know they're trying to create a proper gold sink to keep the economy balanced, but this seems way too extreme. The only people who will be betting are:

a) Those who are sure they can win.
b) Those who are sure they won't be outbid.
c) Those who are sure they're attacking a territory no one else will want to attack.


Balancing the economy is important, but it's not as important as the players having the freedom to play the game and **** around. I would equate this to suddenly giving white named players a 1% chance to drop an equipped item: It's just waaaaay too risky and it would turn everyone off of PK. In the same way, this system seems risky for all the random guilds who go into a TW not expecting to win but just to have fun.
This also reminds me of the last MMO I played. There, the economy wasn't NEAR as balanced as it is here. Yeah people complain about gold prices inflating recently, but they'd always increased when packs were out and decreased when they were removed, and other than that, other items hold the same price. At any rate, this last MMO decided they'd balance the economy by SEVERELY spiking the "TW" registration fee. The result was months went by with absolutely no TW. Only two guilds per server could pay the fee and they usually didn't find it worth doing. And yeah, that MMO did see a bit of a downfall for this reason: with no TW to take part in, what the hell were the players supposed to do? Many got bored and quit.


The point is simply this: TW is the main attraction of the game. It's what people do end-game for fun. Having said that, it should NOT be disturbed by economical worries. TW should always be avaliable to the players, because if there's no TW, people will get bored and quit. What this update has done has killed the income of each TW guild. This means that some guilds will simply stop doing TW because they can't afford it. On Harshlands for example, it's currently the same guild being swarmed by all the territory-less guilds. Under this new system, some of the territory lacking guilds will get frustrated with simply being outbid, losing their money AND not even getting to have some fun, so the guild will simply stop bidding. Other guilds may have trouble getting members to come to TW, since they'll no longer recieve the payments they were recieving before.

TW should ALWAYS be relatively easy to take part in since it's the main fun-factor for a lot of players. There shouldn't be any extra effort involved in paying for it.
Personally I would at least suggest that they get rid of number 2. Doing that will at least allow guilds to bid on a territory for the hell of it without having to worry about their bid going to waste.