[Discussion of Territory War Changes 8-5-10]

Tibam - Lost City

*stares* >_> <_<
nuff QQ? D;

lol @ this thread that was the biggest QQing of all the history of PWI b:chuckle

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

frankieraye wrote: »

What I'm asking is that we give this system some time before condemning it for good.

Why?

There's nothing possible good to come of it. There's clearly no other reason for it other than to sell more zen.

So why should we give it more time?

crimsonshard

Cry the River b:cry.... Build the Bridge.... n get Over it Already

the changes look great well almost the tags for chat kinda silly but workable love the item shift click saves on typing tons Great Job PWI b:pleased

Healing_Buns - Sanctuary

frankieraye wrote: »

But for now, this is the game, and these are the changes that have been made to it. We will be closely monitoring what happens with TW over this next month, and Konari, Aryanna, and myself will be on these boards to hear you out during the process.

Correction Frankie.. This is the game that no one will be playing over the Next Month... You guys dont have that long.. Its like a Certian Faction on Sanctuary... They jumped ship and now the new one is sinking... If something isnt done NOW id be calling up BLIZZARD and looking for a new job man..!

Lulznotwar - Lost City

frankieraye wrote: »

But for now, this is the game, and these are the changes that have been made to it. We will be closely monitoring what happens with TW over this next month, and Konari, Aryanna, and myself will be on these boards to hear you out during the process.

Thats nice of you Frankie.

But a quick question..... What happened back when Ani-packs came out, we discussed the changes and general consensus was they were bad for the game did PWE/PWI do anything about it? No ofcourse not, i mean you have just thrown them back into the game every few months.

DQ you said you would do something about it, because we dont have the same problem as PW-MY or China.

Has anything been said or done? no.

Will anything be done to fix TW unless everyone paying for this game to stay afloat quits? no of course not.

All you as a company ever seem to care about is the bottom line, i mean cmon the company is making millions upon millions a year. Maybe look past the greed and actually give a f**k about players for a change?

Khristy - Heavens Tear

Guess who won't be spending one more effing penny in this game! b:bye

lylfo5

FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So instead of getting just enough to cover the charms I burn, I can get 300k worth of mirages?

Personally I can deal with it, I'm a low cost cleric. Try spinning your story on a cata barb or cleric. The type who goes through 6m in charms easy per weekend. "A little harsh" is a severe understatement.

And what about the factions who tw but don't have lands? Where do they get their coins from? Just because you joined a faction with lands, that doesn't mean this change is bad, just because you are at the disadvantaged side of this patch.

Sun_Burn - Lost City

FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So instead of getting just enough to cover the charms I burn, I can get 300k worth of mirages?

Personally I can deal with it, I'm a low cost cleric. Try spinning your story on a cata barb or cleric. The type who goes through 6m in charms easy per weekend. "A little harsh" is a severe understatement.

u are not getting 300k worth of mirages... the leader is. unno how u distribute ur coins but 150 mirages arent gonna go far for a guild with around 200 members.

wraithkiller69

Lulznotwar - Lost City wrote: »

Thats nice of you Frankie.

But a quick question..... What happened back when Ani-packs came out, we discussed the changes and general consensus was they were bad for the game did PWE/PWI do anything about it? No ofcourse not, i mean you have just thrown them back into the game every few months.

DQ you said you would do something about it, because we dont have the same problem as PW-MY or China.

Has anything been said or done? no.

Will anything be done to fix TW unless everyone paying for this game to stay afloat quits? no of course not.

All you as a company ever seem to care about is the bottom line, i mean cmon the company is making millions upon millions a year. Maybe look past the greed and actually give a f**k about players for a change?

Frankie pls respond to this. I am sorry if u take this as a attack but u have been avoiding this comparison ALL Night. PLEASE respond

truekossy

Tibam - Lost City wrote: »

*stares* >_> <_<
nuff QQ? D;

lol @ this thread that was the biggest QQing of all the history of PWI b:chuckle

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=406242 b:bye

FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why?

There's nothing possible good to come of it. There's clearly no other reason for it other than to sell more zen.

So why should we give it more time?

I... honestly have to agree with this.

We've been told to give things we didn't like time several times. In almost every case, it wound up that our original thoughts on those things were accurate and that they'd have a negative impact overall.

Now, I'm all for giving new things a shot but... there comes a point where you just can't do it anymore. If this were the old PWI before annipacks, chest of coins, endless saes, tc. The game where it wasn't Pay to Win and where even a casual player stood a chance and seemed to have a voice, then sure. Let's not forget how a year and a half ago, most people would defend PWI on the rare occasion that someone tried to badmouth how things were done.

... But now... well.... things like talking about decreasing gold prices while simultaneously doing something that guarantees an increase in them, for example, kinda make us lose patience and not really believe that things will get better. Ever. We have so much that's not broken but the Devs attempt to "fix" it while our long list of bugs, glitches, and exploits continue to rise that it's just sad.

I'm sure that most of us who have a bit of sympathy in us really want to try and help you guys out, frankie, but at this point in time we're all so sick and tired of it that we just can't bring ourselves to even bother hoping anymore.

Lirie - Harshlands

lylfo5 wrote: »

And what about the factions who tw but don't have lands? Where do they get their coins from? Just because you joined a faction with lands, that doesn't mean this change is bad, just because you are at the disadvantaged side of this patch.

b:thanks its karma. If ppl complain about not geting money back wasted on charms then dont buy them b:chuckle easy, learn to fight or survive without them

lylfo5

Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »

u are not getting 300k worth of mirages... the leader is. unno how u distribute ur coins but 150 mirages arent gonna go far for a guild with around 200 members.

lulz fail math?

Good_morning - Sanctuary

In a nutshell, correct me if I`m wrong.

PWI theory:
Factions get too much money from TW -> players get too much money from TWing -> Gold prices are rising spectacularly.
Solution: Nerf TW pay so TW players will have less money to spend, plus they cant afford charms anymore, so they won`t buy gold, so the gold prices will go back down.

My theory:
Packs were introduced -> Players became greedy -> Gold prices went from +/- 200k to 400k iirc.
Solution: Remove packs altogether.

Supportive evidence: http://i35.tinypic.com/9h2t0l.jpg

What you`re seeing is a piece of the Nefarious paysheet from when they still owned about 95% or the map. As you can see Nefarious got a grand total of 500mil per week and after distributing that fairly, most players got about 3,2mil that week. That about covered 2 platinum charms, which you needed, and then I haven`t even mentioned all of the potions one would use. So even then, being a player in the top paying faction, didn`t earn you a whole lot of money.

PS: Yes I am a coward posting from a low level alt trying to stay anonymous. Sue me.

Smellfish - Heavens Tear

frankieraye wrote: »

The reason is this: The patch just came out, and some time really has to pass before any of us truly knows the effects of it.

I'm reading all of your concerns and I've thrown in some of my own opinions about the patch. Kantorek has done the same. I read you loud and clear; the TW pay has been decreased and you're worried about not being able to afford charms anymore. You feel like we're ruining a beautiful part of the game. I understand that; this is a pretty big change to the system, so it's normal that you're worried about it.

I love TW. It and the Gold Trade system are my two favorite parts about PWI; TW brings factions together for a hardcore, team-oriented endgame event. The Gold Trade system makes it so that no player is excluded from the Cash Shop, as long as they're willing to put time and effort into the game. These two systems are what differentiate PWI from every other F2P out there.

Let me just assure you that we do NOT want to ruin the TW system. From what I understand, these changes were implemented to combat problems that have plagued longer-running versions of PW -- those in Malaysia and China. I have to say that I do like the idea of taking what we know about those versions and using it to try to protect this version.

What I'm asking is that we give this system some time before condemning it for good. There has been a lot of speculation, and the majority of you are very much against it, and that's been noted, believe me.

But for now, this is the game, and these are the changes that have been made to it. We will be closely monitoring what happens with TW over this next month, and Konari, Aryanna, and myself will be on these boards to hear you out during the process.

frankie i love u but ur fking stupid. GG you have lost the game.

Laylor - Heavens Tear

Gold in HT server has already gone up, after 20 mins of server back up.
and the saddest thing is: GMs know that gold won't drop unless they remove pack or set a price limit....but they can't do it, the Devs and marketing management don't want it.
So they try to remove as much as possible coins from the game (you guys noticed there will be no more x2 drops??), and let people charge more gold to sell it, since will be expensive.
End of the story.
Is like the real world, gettin eaten by greed and capitalism

Pig - Raging Tide

seriously guys if this what you want just make this game not free anymore
you got what you want, Cash shoppers will be the only who'll be charmed all time
Csers will have to lower their prices thing that they won't like to do
Small faction owners will not be able to bid anymore cause they will be afraid to lose
the only money they have.
Raising factions will lose interest in gain power cause they won't be able to provide money
to their lower lvl mates to get better in game.
this is just wow guys!
Guess if you don't change to old tw pay system lots of people will leave in a month
including me.
I already started to search for a new MMORPG just in case...
Really bad move PWE! if you wanted to people spend more money just make everyone
pay to play.

Peace b:bye

Pinkahboo - Archosaur

Ok this is just fabulous. I don't even play this game anymore, but this update was just so hilarious I have to comment.

If the reason PWE is eliminating coin as TW reward is to stabalize the economy (cough), when TW pay is barely enough to afford to replace charm burn and apo and whatever else... honestly the money you make is NOT what is inflating the servers. I don't even know how you can use that as an excuse.

If the 300k- 3mil a week people make off TW pay depending on who they are in what guild is whats overloading the servers with in game coin.. Has anyone yet mentioned the fact that people are making like 30mil a day off Excitement cards in the neinbeast event?

I stopped reading after i got to Kanto's Cut-and-Paste repeat reply.

<_____________>

Glad I quit when I did! I would NOT want to be a faction leader after tonight. Bahaha.

Sherae - Lost City

Good_morning - Sanctuary wrote: »

In a nutshell, correct me if I`m wrong.

PWI theory:
Factions get too much money from TW -> players get too much money from TWing -> Gold prices are rising spectacularly.
Solution: Nerf TW pay so TW players will have less money to spend, plus they cant afford charms anymore, so they won`t buy gold, so the gold prices will go back down.

My theory:
Packs were introduced -> Players became greedy -> Gold prices went from +/- 200k to 400k iirc.
Solution: Remove packs altogether.

Supportive evidence: http://i35.tinypic.com/9h2t0l.jpg

What you`re seeing is a piece of the Nefarious paysheet from when they still owned about 95% or the map. As you can see Nefarious got a grand total of 500mil per week and after distributing that fairly, most players got about 3,2mil that week. That about covered 2 platinum charms, which you needed, and then I haven`t even mentioned all of the potions one would use. So even then, being a player in the top paying faction, didn`t earn you a whole lot of money.

PS: Yes I am a coward posting from a low level alt trying to stay anonymous. Sue me.

PROBLEM:

you cant introduce 12 star orb packs and think gold will go down

if they wanna fix the economy..they have to stop putting packs in
if they dont put packs in...they wont get FAST money

they survived with this b4 ann packs but the amt of money it rakes in ...is too appealing i guess ...

Hell_rayzer - Heavens Tear

... thought about coming back but i just saw this patch and all i have to say is that its disappointing. Started with the packs and im really curious as to what the final self destructive act will be. b:bye

LEFTSIDE - Lost City

well guys, life is one big shi.t sandwhich. and this game jus took a big bite of it

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Elronia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Like to invite you too come see the state of Heavens tear an you tell me that Enrage leadership isnt been payed billions a week

Idiotb:chuckle

Billions? I imagined you'd have trouble counting any higher than with your fingers and toes. b:pleased

lylfo5

Sherae - Lost City wrote: »

PROBLEM:

you cant introduce 12 star orb packs and think gold will go down

if they wanna fix the economy..they have to stop putting packs in
if they dont put packs in...they wont get FAST money

they survived with this b4 ann packs but the amt of money it rakes in ...is too appealing i guess ...

Learn the difference between a temporary sale and a permanent change before commenting in the forums.

IEpicHealz - Archosaur

Perfect World has been a sinking ship for months now, but this is the final straw.

WTB> New Game To Play

Maybe Runes Of Magic...
Or Allods Onlnine... hmmm

Sherae - Lost City

lylfo5 wrote: »

Learn the difference between a temporary sale and a permanent change before commenting in the forums.

in the past YEAR how many weeks have we gone without packs
i cant imagine it changing

something else like TW will be blamed lolz

also to announce ur trying to make a dif and help the economy at the same thing u do that is rather off to me...

surely doesnt send the message they are trying to convey

ALSO they said they are going to start watching the servers to see how this goes

the only data they will gather from this will be OH GOD PACKS CAUSE GOLD TO RAISE!

DeadGame - Archosaur

WOW so much BS about everything on here...TW pay has never inflated the economy people make way more on packs [Tokens of Best Luck] in a week than TW pay even generates...as someone who started when PWI opened id like to place my opinion on the the lack of game content rather than making the game more player friendly PWE went the route of lets make the most we can as quickly as we can and has done a wonderfull job of it up to this point...but it just seems your squeezing one last time before you finally just let the game fail or maybe let it drop to the point and hope enough people that dont know how it used to be join the game to pick it back up again...just seems like a last ditch effort of makin a lil bit of money...

sad part is it used to be a great game .... to bad

great memories from PWI too bad thats all they are now...

lylfo5

Sherae - Lost City wrote: »

in the past YEAR how many weeks have we gone without packs
i cant imagine it changing

something else like TW will be blamed lolz

also to announce ur trying to make a dif and help the economy at the same thing u do that is rather off to me...

surely doesnt send the message they are trying to convey

Something else like TW? TW has been the biggest source of coins into the game (other than DQ(that was nerfed too) and the ecstasy/excitement cards.

Know your game before commenting any further.

Laylor - Heavens Tear

I still don't get the hidden bid thing.
since GMs' explanation is ridicoulus, maaan, makes no sense at all.
l

>:|

Logan_Morgan - Lost City

TW pay system did not cause the gold price to inflate.

The server was out for a year with a very steady gold price 80-120k gold price. the first thing to cause inflation was chests of coins offering 1m coins for a 5 gold item ensuring that the gold price would never drop below 200k.

the second and most significant item to casue inflation was anniversery packs, within a day gold prices were 600k and stayed there, becasue as soon as a pack sale was ended with out fail another one was announced.

we have not had more than a two week period with out some variation of these anniversery packs and that is why gold is so inflated. if you want to reduce the gold prices on the servers insted of reducing tw rewards (which i do not disagree with i think over all it will be good for the servers) you dont introduce a new pack that contains an item worth 400m coins for 1 gold each...

just my 2c

Andareil - Lost City

i remember gold hitting almost a mil because of packs, every time they leave CS the price goes down b:surrender

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

frankieraye wrote: »

I'm addressing both concerns and attacks, while trying to convince you guys to be a little less attack-y, so that we can focus on the concerns.

You're not addressing the concerns you are forcing an issue, trying to stuff this new system down our throats and convince us it's all for the better.