Let's be classist! :D

XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not all magic bosses. Farren is purely physical hits + Debuffs (including a channeling debuff that can easily get an idiot caster killed if they don't wipe out the adds first), and Calcid still has Bleed to work with from a range (which by all logic shouldn't be a big deal at that level, but is still worth mentioning).

Hush you b:sad

My best example of a fail mage has already been mentioned by someone else. I also have had a mage in a TT/HH run meditate in the middle of Astralwalker because they didn't bring mana pots. b:shocked

XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not all magic bosses. Farren is purely physical hits + Debuffs (including a channeling debuff that can easily get an idiot caster killed if they don't wipe out the adds first), and Calcid still has Bleed to work with from a range (which by all logic shouldn't be a big deal at that level, but is still worth mentioning).

The only way a 10x mage would die to farren is by being uncharmed, having horrible gear and by sitting there afk for a few minutes. Even HP pots would regen faster than it could do damage to a 10x... really, they would have to be horribly fail... I'm sure any half-decently geared mage would 3-4 shot Farren. If they had full cleric buffs, dying in there? That's just a joke.

When I was 6x-ish, we did a FB39 with a lvl100 mage. The rest of the party didn't even get more than a hit or two on anything before the mage killed it. The only thing they would have to worry about is having the tabber die.

I'm just not buying it.

Sashera - Sanctuary wrote: »

now see this is what gets me... im old fashioned and my main venomancer has no fox form skills asside from fox form itself... simply because I cant be bothered *shrug*

does this automatically make me a fail veno?

considering that some of your best debuffs (amp aoe myriad and more at sage/demon) are in fox form

yes

and for the bm's the ones who are 7x+ and only have 1 path are yo fails...yes there is a lot of em

The Sidekick Psychic

Party member: Alright, let wait for the mage to tank
Psychic: Pfft I can tank anything a mage can easily
Cleric: Ughh no I rather have the wizard plz ^_^
Psychic: No, you will see my power now

Battle ensues

Party member: Watch out, your hp is dropping fast!!
Psychic: No problem, I can heal myself along with the cleric heals.

Boss kills Psychic and Mage comes in
Mage: WTF?? Why did you start without me??
Cleric: Psychic said he was better than mages at tanking
Mage: What the hell were you thinking Psychic??

Mage tanks boss and Psychic logs out

Oh! Quinnie's post reminded me of another "fail" I often encounter.
Venos that bramble me... I've been known to kill them. Seriously... please do not ever buff a cleric with that ****! It is like signing our death sentence and that of the squad in many cases.

And if I warn you not once, not twice, but three flipping times and you keep putting that garbage on me... I think it's warranted that I kill you. Disagree? Take it up with the cold hard floor, because I just don't care anymore.

/end rant b:shutup

Time for this work day to end... b:surrender

EDIT: as for venos who not only not use amp and purge, but don't even have the skill... yeah, no thanks.

Nuri - Raging Tide wrote: »

The Sidekick Psychic

Party member: Alright, let wait for the mage to tank
Psychic: Pfft I can tank anything a mage can easily
Cleric: Ughh no I rather have the wizard plz ^_^
Psychic: No, you will see my power now

Battle ensues

Party member: Watch out, your hp is dropping fast!!
Psychic: No problem, I can heal myself along with the cleric heals.

Boss kills Psychic and Mage comes in
Mage: WTF?? Why did you start without me??
Cleric: Psychic said he was better than mages at tanking
Mage: What the hell were you thinking Psychic??

Mage tanks boss and Psychic logs out

Im wondering why wizards are better tanks then psychics? If they both are arcane surely they should be relatively the same, its like when people say clerics cant tank manta only wizards b:surrender.

THAT I encounter often as well.

_Rosaly_ - Lost City wrote: »

Oh! Quinnie's post reminded me of another "fail" I often encounter.
Venos that bramble me... I've been known to kill them. Seriously... please do not ever buff a cleric with that ****! It is like signing our death sentence and that of the squad in many cases.

Oh PLEASE not this again. DDs overreact about brambles, seriously. I'm really, really really sick of this myth.

1. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE AGGRO, IT WILL NOT GENERATE EXTRA AGGRO.
2. If you steal aggro, you steal aggro not because of Brambles, but because of your skils, build, crit whatever. If you steal aggro as a healer, it's mostly because you healed before the tank had aggro on all mobs.
3. If you pass a mob by mistake, and it aggroes you while you have Brambles on, the tank can take aggro off you as easily as usual. Might take a hit more, but still.
4. #3 is the reason why if you rush in TT, you don't want to have brambles on.
5. Out of all the venos and people I talk to, Brambles never seemed to affect their casting time, channeling time, or whatever.

This being said, to avoid QQs and completely POINTLESS rages from DDs, I don't bramble them as a veno. I've had other people yelling at the veno when they bramble my cleric... and honestly, I've never died from it.

Probably because I know how to play a cleric. I hate sounding that way, but yeah.

Sashera - Sanctuary wrote: »

oh for god... fine... guess this is another "I wont sucumb to the conformitys of societys situations" hu...

my heavy veno has fox skills, thats good enough for me

Actually, the reason it makes you a fail veno to not have purge or amp is because those skills are highly useful in squads. Now if you are never going to squad for your entire veno lifetime, that's cool and fine. Go ahead, don't learn those skills.

But you'll find that a veno's power in TT is their ability to purge bosses of buffs (which in some cases is highly lifesaving, for either a Herc/pet tank or Barb/BM tank) and their ability to amp bosses. So if you are going to squad in your lifetime as an arcane veno, then you're going to find yourself quickly replaced with a veno who can purge an amp if it so happens that the instance needs them both. Also, amp in general is loved, because it helps speed things up. Also, what about Fox Form Myriad? That's an abso-freaking-lutely great AoE and if you aren't learning your Fox skills, you aren't getting it.

Basically, by not learning even the most basic of fox skills so you can get Amp and Purge, you're nerfing your own capabilities both in a squad, and solo. (Because some bosses a Herc/pet can tank will buff themselves and every purge helps.) That is what makes people who neglect their fox skill tree failures. Because they nerf themselves and, if they ever squad, they make things harder than they should be.

XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

THAT I encounter often as well.



Oh PLEASE not this again. DDs overreact about brambles, seriously. I'm really, really really sick of this myth.

1. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE AGGRO, IT WILL NOT GENERATE EXTRA AGGRO.
2. If you steal aggro, you steal aggro not because of Brambles, but because of your skils, build, crit whatever. If you steal aggro as a healer, it's mostly because you healed before the tank had aggro on all mobs.
3. If you pass a mob by mistake, and it aggroes you while you have Brambles on, the tank can take aggro off you as easily as usual. Might take a hit more, but still.
4. #3 is the reason why if you rush in TT, you don't want to have brambles on.
5. Out of all the venos and people I talk to, Brambles never seemed to affect their casting time, channeling time, or whatever.

This being said, to avoid QQs and completely POINTLESS rages from DDs, I don't bramble them as a veno. I've had other people yelling at the veno when they bramble my cleric... and honestly, I've never died from it.

Probably because I know how to play a cleric. I hate sounding that way, but yeah.

Rosaly is a support cleric. Clerics are NOT DDs. They are a support class. Only a moron veno brambles a cleric. You only bramble those you know that are actually planning to melee mobs. If a cleric aggros a mob, bramble can mean they might get hit a few more times. A few more times in a higher instance can mean death. You don't want a cleric to die. Obviously you don't know everything.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you get aggro, it's because you failed somehow. Healing too early, perhaps, or actually taking aggro through dealing damage. Mobs aren't suddenly going to leave a tank alone and attack you screaming "KILL IT, IT HAS BRAMBLE!!!" Aggro doesn't work like that.

lol do you actually PLAY the game? Sometimes, through no fault of their own, Clerics manage to get aggro because someone they heal aggro a mob and do not hit it to generate any threat, so the mob goes straight for the cleric. This happens quite often, and you'd know this if you play. Just because an idiot veno feels the incessant need to feel useful and bramble everything doesn't mean that they should. Hell, there's a veno in this thread who can't be bothered to amp or purify... I see a veno bramble a cleric and I lol because only a stupid noob does that. Bramble can generate threat. Pretending it won't is just stupid.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

lol do you actually PLAY the game? Sometimes, through no fault of their own, Clerics manage to get aggro because someone they heal aggro a mob and do not hit it to generate any threat, so the mob goes straight for the cleric. This happens quite often, and you'd know this if you play. Just because an idiot veno feels the incessant need to feel useful and bramble everything doesn't mean that they should. Hell, there's a veno in this thread who can't be bothered to amp or purify... I see a veno bramble a cleric and I lol because only a stupid noob does that. Bramble can generate threat. Pretending it won't is just stupid.

lol do you read?

Note where I said heal aggro.

I guess you missed that in your urge to rant, huh?

Base line: a support cleric shouldn't take aggro unless they heal too early (which is their own fault anyway, which is what I originally said, which is what you completely missed. Congratulations. ) and therefore whether they have bramble or not should not matter.
On my veno, I don't Bramble clerics so I simply avoid all the bullcrap "OMG YOU BRAMBLED ME IMMA DIE" rubbish they spew. Saves me a headache. And that's the only reason. A good cleric will not take aggro under normal circumstances. Also, see below.

If a cleric accidentally walks past a mob they didn't see, Bramble doesn't generate enough aggro to make it impossible for a tank, BM, archer or any class otherwise, to get aggro back.

Do you play the game? I mean, at your level you should know by now that Bramble doesn't generate enough aggro to instantly seal a cleric's fate the instant they get hit.

[You really shouldn't call people noobs if you apparently know nothing about what you're talking about. It really doesn't look good, and you normally post more sense than your last post. Shame on you.]

Quinnie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

most psych's ive met so far were all pure magic and had the least amount of hp from the squad. they also got black voodoo on most of the time what makes them take more damage.

So they aren't better tanks, the problem is psychics doing silly builds for maximum damage and least survivability and using skills they shouldn't be using, people these days need to learn what the hell they are doing b:chuckle.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

lol, next you'll be arguing that mages should give venos, clerics and psychics Frostblade.

Do you actually participate in any of the higher instances? Clerics heal people. People are stupid and tend to aggro things accidentally. Sometiems stupid people that are getting healed can aggro additional mobs. Sometimes those stupid people don't realize this quick enough and the cleric gains aggro. Sometimes those stupid people don't react fast enough to steal the aggro of these mobs back. Hurrdedurrr...

Wow, I wish I could always be in your squad of supreme perfectness where nothing ever goes wrong.. I'm sure you always drop gold mats, everyone gets double exp just from being around you and you have a magical aura around you that acts like a party buff that heightens everyone's intelligence level. Get over yourself.

You're telling me to get over myself? A hint; take your own advice before you administer it to other people. You're really starting to look more stupid the more you post.

I've been in plenty of instances where people will accidentally aggro a mob. Normally though, at higher level instances, people are smart enough to realise when they have done this, and generally can get aggro back long before a mob reaches a cleric. (Because, you know, a cleric should be near the back of the squad with one party member near to them, meaning if a tank runs into additional mobs by accident and they do heal early, the party can grab aggro before they're reached. Genius I tell you.)

None of my squads are perfect, but clearly I squad with smarter people than you do because the clerics don't take aggro that often, accidentally or otherwise, and have most certainly never died because they happen to have Bramble on.

Your squads must really be made of **** if your clerics are taking that much aggro.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Well, once you stop playing around in BH39's or whatever for your alts or lowbie friends, you'd realize that some of those 'higher instances' you've been accustomed to have mobs that can hit pretty hard. Oh wait, you're still 92. Actually you probably haven't been in any of those more difficult instances, or were brought in cause people feel sorry for you.

Maybe you should actually play the game instead of troll. If you spent half the time acting like a condescending PMSing teenager with anger issues, maybe you'd actually understand what can happen inside an instance.

b:chuckle

Maybe you should grow a brain before you make assumptions about people just because you fail at general comprehension. b:pleased

Think what you want, but the fact you think Bramble somehow seals a cleric's fate proves your own blatant idiocy. Oh, and I'll say it again because you seemed to completely miss this point:
In a good squad with people who actually know what they're doing, clerics don't take aggro as often as you preach them to. I guess this is a testament to the poor squads you must run in, because good squads can generally keep their cleric(s) safe and alive throughout an entire instance whether they have Bramble or whatever other buff you falsely accuse of being deadly on them, or not.

Again, take your own advice before you administer it. I'm not the only condescending person on here. Checked a mirror lately? b:bye