Stop telling others how to play
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So many people yell for barbs when anything needs to be tanked. Barbs are good tanks for physical mobs. I remember long ago when I would tell people that my veno tanked mantavip or an fb59 boss without a pet and i got laughed at and called noob for it. Just shows that alot of people dont wanna think outside the box at all. People seemed shocked to see a cleric tank bosses and self heal like my friend does. We've been running full caster class squads for a longtime now. In our faction, both barbs (tank) and veno (pull) are easily replaced and not needed.0
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it's the EXACT reason I left shattered. you were never around, and even when you were you were far too busy for anyone else. 99% of anyting I did I was forced to ask out of faction for help, but you should have known this already, seeing as that's what I told you before you blacklisted me.DaWoman - Dreamweaver wrote: »I honestly don't understand your comment...Care to elaborate?I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
"When you're on Team Bring it, every morning your feet hit the floor, the good lord says "good morning" and the devil says 'Oh **** they're up' " - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
Are you on Team Bring it?0 -
Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »it's the EXACT reason I left shattered. you were never around, and even when you were you were far too busy for anyone else. 99% of anyting I did I was forced to ask out of faction for help, but you should have known this already, seeing as that's what I told you before you blacklisted me.
I have a life, and sometimes my life is more important than PWI I'm sorry. I can't *make* people help you or anyone else, I can only ask and suggest. And as for me blacklisting you? Well I don't like people telling me how and why I should run my life according to their wishes. And most times I was "far too busy for anyone else" I was usually already helping someone who had asked me first... or (shock, gasp) I was taking care of my own stuff, which is part of playing this game, too.0 -
Dawoman and Psytrac, please take your personal convo to PM's, lest this unassuming thread be closed due to your combined antics.
Thanks!0 -
Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »now if only you praticed what you preached..
can't call someone a liar then do it yourself now can you?
but that's ingame drama, not going to drag it here. but on the same line, the DDs need to be aware what the tank is capable of and listen to their directions and experiece. I tank with a shaodu just for the recored
*sticks up for dawoman*0 -
frankieraye wrote: »Dawoman and Psytrac, please take your personal convo to PM's, lest this unassuming thread be closed due to your combined antics.
Thanks!
sorry Frankie ^^
and I think I might try the heavy armor wizzie..sounds interesting
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Nothing in the game, bar heavy disrespect, gets me to rage at someone like people who tell me how to play my class.
There's a major difference in giving tips to people, telling what you're about to do / asking others if they're ready for XYZ, and bossing people around.
The 3 cases actually happened in the FC run I spent over 3 hours in earlier (and 2 people in my squad are regulars on the forums, they'll see this, and they'll facepalm at the run... as if they haven't done enough facepalming within the run).
- Giving tips / teaching the unexperienced.
Our barb, a 86 barb with regular gear for his level, seemed to know what he was into. Until we hit bishops. Everyone familiar with the instance knows the the corridor where Cyclotra is? He pulled the entire thing, bishops included. Of course he died at bishops because he had 3 or 4 groups of frostelves.
Squad reaction: "Don't pull the bishops, let the BMs get them, they have anti-debuff moves".
The guy never listened, and would rush most bishop groups.
- Asking if ready for XYZ
It's normal to ask if someone's ready for stuff like IH, amp, pulls, HF, etc. I don't take it as people bossing me around, and will gladly respond yes or no.
- Bossing people around
... It's when you're constantly telling them when to use them that it gets bossing around. The same FC run had a 87 BM as well, constantly telling me (90 BM, exp'ed) when to HF, how to pull (and then would pull over me), what to attack, when to stun (AAAAAARGH I KNOW you gotta stun the bishops!)... and kept telling archer to nerf her damage (despite the barb showin he CAN keep aggro, but clearly not paying attention to keep it anyways). Told the wiz several times how to kill hands and the heads despite he knows (reminding him in the way to "give all his wrath" like 2 times). Then asked the archer to nerf her damage again on Decayed Fragrance. Archer then lost it, and I fully understand her >_>.
I kinda lost it as well. I was already pissed at the d/c + 3 crashes + mouse hanging up, last thing I did was a BM telling me to watch my aggro as well.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Due to constant PMs: I'm not German, sorry folks
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Krisnda - Lost City wrote: »im confused as to why you would kick them out. it seems that people that make others frustrated, get yelled at. b:surrender its not necessary to kick out a veno that wont amp in a squad, maybe they dont have that skill lv'ed, or whatever the excuse. many people also dont "do things properly" maybe they tried, found it boring and wanted to try something different. all people arn't the same you know...
Like I said, if you're a Veno who is too lazy to amp bosses then you have no business taking up a spot in anyones squad. Even worse if you didn't level amp.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper. - T. S. Eliot0 -
DaWoman - Dreamweaver wrote: »sorry Frankie ^^
and I think I might try the heavy armor wizzie..sounds interesting
They really are fun.
Built right, they can DD as much as an LA. Gotta find a lot of non-armor gear that is +str, though. Capes, necks, belts, helmets, rings all have to be +str or +dex to make up for the lost str/dex lost every level. -req is your friend. If you can do that, keep going with the 3/level magic. Now, restatting's a different thing, just do whatever you think you can deal with to get req on everything. I wouldn't reccomend looking for +mag adds, just because adds are a bit more unstable than actually statting the points... but, if it works, okay.
Unless you have a good tome, be prepared to wear (non -req) HA at least 10 levels below you by 6x. But, Earth Barrier more than makes up for it. 1.7k HP, 7.6k Phys Def Max, 5k Magic Def Maxed (wearing good AA) by 63, without tomes. With a good str tome and HA your level, you should be able to hit 10k phys def (with BM, Earth Barrier, and Cleric) long before any other char 'cept for HA venos.
That said... expensive. QQ
And on topic: OP, I love you. Really.
A tank is anything that can do damage and keep aggro. A healer is anyone who can keep the tank alive. For example, we've had an 8x BM tank all the BH51 bosses with two wizzies healing. And no charm. >> (5 wizzie+1 BM squad, most epic run ever). I'm pretty sure that every person there learned a bit about the 'stereotypes' of PWi. Glad that all the other wizzies were so open minded. XD We had a blast. Same could be said of an all-veno squad I once had the honor of attending.
Of course, the optimum will always be a cleric, a barb, a veno for pulling, others for DD... That's what they've been mainly designed to do. But if a cleric wants to DD and it's not killing the squad, more power to them. If a veno wants to DD in fox form-- more power to them.
That said... a character that is built in a way that might hinder or wipe a squad (a pure DD Cleric, for example, or a LA no-vit barb) should warn the squad before anything happens.
And the people should know how to do some basic things-- for example, a cleric should know what heals are best, even if she won't be the healer. A barb should know how to flesh ream aggro. A veno should know how to pull. If she doesn't know, ask (and don't wait 'till upper levels, a 6x veno not knowing how to pull is a little scary, but, a 4x, 3x, not so much). Yeah, we all were noobs once, but, there comes a level when knowing when to do your role in an emergency/when really needed is pretty important.
And I just realized how geeky the first two paragraphs of my post sounded. b:cry0 -
DaWoman - Dreamweaver wrote: »Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that most people have a stigma when it comes to this game....
Barb = Tank
Veno = Pull/DD
Archer = Ranged/DD
Cleric = Healing only
Blademaster = DD
Wizard = Magic DD w/ continuous AoE and "Ghetto heals"
Now then, I am a barb, and I tank nearly everything that my faction needs done... Except things like Mantavip, who is now call the NightPatrol Shadestalker ? or some **** like that... he's near Misfortune. You actually need a magic tank for him. The way I see it, if someone can get aggro and hold aggro without getting themselves offed.. Let that person tank. Nothing on this game is set in stone. I've seen everything from heavy armor clerics to light armor barbs to heavy armor venos. Now I'm going to say this and I don't want anyone to take offense... But you don't need a herc to be a good veno, vice versa, having a herc doesn't make you a good or bad veno, it's how you use the tools you have.
And I for one applaud a person's ability to think outside the norm and come up with new and better ways to get things done. But the bottom line to this post is this:
People are people, you can't do anything about it, and every person has the right to make his or her own choices... So I say instead of QQing about the assissins and psychics stealing aggro from you and using bows, find new and better ways on how to use what they can do instead of asking them to gimp their own character just because the big bad barb can't compete with their damage. It's short-sited, selfish, and presumptious.
I commend all of you who are able to think outside of the box and come up with new and more exciting ways to make this game better. Thank you all.
OMG I agree soo much. I hate Hercs in my opinion they have made it rough on all of us who dont want them. PWI should give us the chance to maybe buy skills to help our non herc pets better. Its a real pain not to be able to get a squad because I dont have a Herc. It doesnt matter if your a bad veno as long as you have a Herc your gold. Try finding out if the veno is any good first before you condem them for not having a Herc. I also agree that instead of complaining make your toon better and work with the other classes and for gods sake stop crying.0 -
Motoko - Raging Tide wrote: »Like I said, if you're a Veno who is too lazy to amp bosses then you have no business taking up a spot in anyones squad. Even worse if you didn't level amp.
Many Venomancers don't even look at the fox form skills like Amp for a good long time, simply because they don't do much (if anything) worth doing for early PVE play.
Amplify Damage, Purge and Soul Degeneration in normal PVE play are relatively useless and not worth the SP and Coin to level up till your 70's IMO. Once you can max them though, you should because they are useful as you said for bosses, and a Veno that doesn't use them... meh...
If I forget to use them (sometimes I do, it just depends on how much I have drank that night) and someone reminds me, I don't get upset about it though, I usually go "Oh yeah right, sorry, I forgot".
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Individuality is a wonderful thing. Go for it.
Just don't get feelings hurt when other people don't want to take a risk on you reinventing the wheel during their squad.
Some ppl just aren't comfortable experimenting or trusting some new method.
At the risk of annoying even myself... there is no I in "TEAM".0 -
Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Many Venomancers don't even look at the fox form skills like Amp for a good long time, simply because they don't do much (if anything) worth doing for early PVE play.
Amplify Damage, Purge and Soul Degeneration in normal PVE play are relatively useless and not worth the SP and Coin to level up till your 70's IMO. Once you can max them though, you should because they are useful as you said for bosses, and a Veno that doesn't use them... meh...
If I forget to use them (sometimes I do, it just depends on how much I have drank that night) and someone reminds me, I don't get upset about it though, I usually go "Oh yeah right, sorry, I forgot".
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I wish more people would learn this. I was doing a BH and used amp and then ran back & changed back from fox to heal herc & DD. But as soon as went to fox & amped this cleric screeches at me to get back. Ummm... hello... the spell has a range. And ummm hello... I don't need the cleric I heal myself unless something goes horribly wrong.
I think people just can't stand that veno is versatile. It's a jealousy imho.0 -
I toootaly agree with ya man, its probably been said but this is a game isnt it? people are playing it to have fun right?
if some people want to be the best and take their game seriosly then thats up to them. If others want to try a diferent strand thats not strictly proffesional then thats up to them too right?Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Many Venomancers don't even look at the fox form skills like Amp for a good long time, simply because they don't do much (if anything) worth doing for early PVE play.
Amplify Damage, Purge and Soul Degeneration in normal PVE play are relatively useless and not worth the SP and Coin to level up till your 70's IMO. Once you can max them though, you should because they are useful as you said for bosses, and a Veno that doesn't use them... meh...
If I forget to use them (sometimes I do, it just depends on how much I have drank that night) and someone reminds me, I don't get upset about it though, I usually go "Oh yeah right, sorry, I forgot".
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now se thats my thing...
I main a level 75 veno (isnt it obvios? lol) I have a Glacial walker for a pet, and a darkbreed wolfkin that i maintain at my level. I have NEVER bought a fox form skill since I started playing this game (except fox form itself cuz its fun runnin arround on 4 legs) and I do just fine b:victory
granted I could probably be a little more usefull if I DID get these skills, but most of the time I have a friendly veno that has these skills anyway within the squad... besides money seems to be extreemly dificult for me to come by these days, i wanna get all my scarabs/phoenix/Psychic's skills before i think about fox form skills
now i know this is a little off the quote, but in the words of a good friend of mine "if people have an issue with me not having a herc im very willing to take dontion b:thanks"
then again I dont do Zhenning or anything like that so no-one really complains to me... lol[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I have a few things to say about venomancers. First, levelling and using amp damage is not asking a lot. A veno who doesn't amp is like a cleric who doesn't debuff; there are PLENTY of competent venos, with and without hercs, who are happy to amp every 30 seconds (leaving room for human error, ofc). I would no sooner take a veno who doesn't amp on a run than I would take a veno without a pet. Get real.
As for the hercules pet....I am well familiar with how much better a herc pet is than a magmite. For a veno, your pet is part of your gear. I would prefer going on runs with archers who have highly refined bows, bms with good shards/refines, etc. Venomancer is not exempted.
If I played a venomancer as my main, I would have spent my 86+ grinding coin for my herc, at the latest; maybe LA types don't rely on a pet as much, but....w/e
Listening to un-herced venos QQ about how they are treated would be like me complaining that other clerics have an easier time getting squads because they have 2 lunar rings.0 -
Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »I have a few things to say about venomancers. First, levelling and using amp damage is not asking a lot. A veno who doesn't amp is like a cleric who doesn't debuff; there are PLENTY of competent venos, with and without hercs, who are happy to amp every 30 seconds (leaving room for human error, ofc). I would no sooner take a veno who doesn't amp on a run than I would take a veno without a pet. Get real.
As for the hercules pet....I am well familiar with how much better a herc pet is than a magmite. For a veno, your pet is part of your gear. I would prefer going on runs with archers who have highly refined bows, bms with good shards/refines, etc. Venomancer is not exempted.
If I played a venomancer as my main, I would have spent my 86+ grinding coin for my herc, at the latest; maybe LA types don't rely on a pet as much, but....w/e
Listening to un-herced venos QQ about how they are treated would be like me complaining that other clerics have an easier time getting squads because they have 2 lunar rings.
im not QQing, im just saying let people play the game the way they want to b:surrender
imo the herc isnt very visually appealing, which is the reason i dont have one.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I'll tell DaWoman what to do 7 days a week 24 hours a day . . .
if she doesn't like it she'll prolly just kick my **** lke normal.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks for the sig Ophida
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ok...I'm bout to have a noobish flashback...when I first started I chose cleric (just seemed like a good choice)...and lo and behold at 30 I find out what a pvp server is the hard way b:surrender interestingly enough I start reading about clerics in the forums and stumble across a gear calc...so in the process of me becoming "unsquishy" against the other classes...I find myself able to do most of my own tanking...yes folks...I went a light armor build with my cleric...and even though everyone keeps telling me its a fail build...we'll see what happens when end game rolls around.
As to the original poster...I agree and disagree
I agree because different people have different play styles(I'm tired of being told to HEAL...HEAL ME...CLERIC HEAL) b:angry if ur not dying STFU I can get just as mad at you cause I stole ur aggro -_- but at least I can stay alive when I steal it and manage to throw a few heals to party members...every class has strengths and weaknesses...the key is to explore your limitations and stay within your boundries.
Now I do disagree to a certain extent
This game caused me so much frustration cause no one took time to answer some of my noob questions(this set me off on an unexplored path btw and gave me some insight on a clerics full potential) I'm all for letting people experiment...but you can spot the fools out there...if you see an arcane cleric trying to tank...stop them...they only gonna die...it's ok to give spot advice...but stick to the limitations of what they currently have (i.e. gear, builds, etc...) mentor don't backseat drive.
also...has anyone tried a light armor build for a wizzy...I'm curious about how that would turn out0 -
haha
b:laughb:chuckleb:pleased thats funny stuff
i have a herc and pheonix and i solo pretty much everything so anyone mad about the squads a veno really doesnt need one exept at the earlly stages of gameplay i find i do way better without a squad then when i have one cause you dont have to run through the fb or bh and end up dead cause a high lvl wants to show off0 -
I've ran FFs on my BM and this one. Well needless to say I have met some of the worst barbs in my life. I do give a little advice when I see fit, but when you are 88 and have less HP than the 81BM buffed you need to figure out what's wrong with that picture. Now on my barb I don't like to rush things. 9/10 times rushing leads to death. Well I get kicked from a lot of squads cause I don't want to hurry things. So what's the point of actually doing something if you just want to hurry through it and risk dying and loosing xp instead of gaining? Now that being said I was called fail for the fact I didn't want to round up 20-25 mag mobs...Last I checked a barbarian and mag mobs don't mix very well...that is allI do as the Romans do, I wash my hands of thee.0
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i gotta admit i only read the first page so i dunno wat other crazy **** everyone else has said lol....but imma have to say i completly agree with the OP. yes theres certain things that sum classes do better than other classes.....
BUT THATS IT... wat i cant stand is when for BHs i see sumone asking for a tank and i say ill join...and i get insta-booted cuz im BM and not a barb... which is sad cuz ive pretty much tanked every boss there is to be fought by my lvl....
the BIGGEST ONE is POLEARM....everyone ASSUMES u NEED a barb to tank him...ill admit that a barb may cause less worry when tanking him....but ive tanked him so many times by now and with a decent cleric (who knows how and when to purify during him) i do MORE than just fine. ya most the time im charmed but in every instance ive tanked him i had a decently pro cleric and my charm NEVER even ticked once...and im not even vit build...my vit WITH gear right now is around 50...and i have about 5200 HP UNBUFFED....ya it would make things a lil easier with sum barb buffs....but then again not even really seeing as i said ive tanked him over 20 times and never had my charm tick once
EDIT:: (*because of post above) theres another example...ive run frost WITHOUT a barb and had NOOOO p[roblems...we did have 2 BMs tho...we would alternate doin "the barbs job" of roundin up all the mobs, and tanking the bosses... BUT AGAIN if i tried to advertise myself as a tank for FF most the time id get laughed at...which in turn makes me laugh so hard that theres THAT NOOBISH of people out there that think they know everything...theres literally nuthing worse in this game than a damn know-it-all that is obvious knows absultly jack ish lol
SO again imma have to agree with the OP and say its so SAD that certain people THINK u HAVE to have certain classes to CERTAIN things....as long as ur not new noob to this game, u can figure out how to pretty much do anything in this game its not hard AT ALL to think and act outside the box!!0 -
to the veno needs herc issue. Because of herc beeing so worshipped alot of veno think its all they need. I had many venos in FF/TT/BH who think they are good because they got herc. And when you ask them to purge a boss with powerfull buffs, you get "i am not a fox veno". You ask them to amplify and again you get an "i am not a fox veno" b:cry
Debuffs > herc (if you dont need it for tanking)0 -
Unlike most skills which do a fixed amount of damage, Amp is a damage multiplier. So the bigger the squad, the more benefit you get from it. Unfortunately, this also means that the smaller the squad, the smaller the benefit. For arcane venos playing solo, taking time off of DDing to go to fox form, Amp, and switch back to caster form can actually cost them more lost damage than they gain from the Amp. So many lower level venos don't yet understand how powerful the skill is in a group. I just explain to them that for a group of 6, it's like adding a 7th person's worth of damage, then they get it and start using it.Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »I have a few things to say about venomancers. First, levelling and using amp damage is not asking a lot. A veno who doesn't amp is like a cleric who doesn't debuff; there are PLENTY of competent venos, with and without hercs, who are happy to amp every 30 seconds (leaving room for human error, ofc). I would no sooner take a veno who doesn't amp on a run than I would take a veno without a pet. Get real.
Not sure why the herc is that big a deal. Unless your group doesn't have a tank, the herc is pretty much unnecessary. A golem or scorpion has pretty much the same DPS as a herc, and just about every veno has one of those. If the group already has a tank, there's no need to insist that the veno have a herc. (My veno has both a herc and phoenix so I'm not QQing.)As for the hercules pet....I am well familiar with how much better a herc pet is than a magmite. For a veno, your pet is part of your gear. I would prefer going on runs with archers who have highly refined bows, bms with good shards/refines, etc. Venomancer is not exempted.
As for the OP, yeah, there are lots of ways to get things done in this game. The cleric + barb + DD combo is just the safest way to do it. If you're willing to take a little extra risk, you can get nearly anything done without a cleric or barb (or both). Any heavy armor class (even my heavy veno) can tank most of the physical "barb-only" bosses like Polearm (yes, my veno has tanked Polearm, several times). Bosses like Krixxix, Qingzi, Mantavip, Wurlord are actually easier with a magic tank. And interrupts (be they class skill or genie) can turn bosses with fearsome physical + magic attack combos like drummer into pussycats.0 -
MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Wait, it's one thing to be suportive of trying new things but you're running too far with this.
A Wizzie cannot tank as effectively as a barb whatever his gear. It's not only that phys is an important component in most bosses' damage but that their hp pool is too shallow. Same for other classes. Barbs have aggro holding skills which simply cannot be matched even by profficient damage dealers.
Try a wiz with 16k pdef and 11k hp. Tanks most bosses just fine - I regularly tank bh99. Obviously a wizzy or archer doesn't have the aggro skills of a barb, but tbh most barbs struggle containing aggro from endgame archers / wizzies (lolz, I hope Vilkass reads this, he'll know what I mean:P)MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »No class can pull as well as veno. Pets have a longer range than Zeal's Earthflame and venos are usually much more experienced with the small minutiae that surrounds pulling. A veno remains the most effective puller you can squad.
Range is a fair point, but only useful in certain specific circumstances. Experience? Down to the player imhoMANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Wizards cannot heal better than a cleric in any situation. Morning Dew has a long channel and it doesn't offer the performance reliability of Ironheart's stackable HoT.
Here you're just wrong. I'm not saying that overall a cleric is a better healer, but a wiz with high mag is actually able to heal more per cast with Dew lvl 11 than a cleric, albeit non-stackable. Also, using heal in sutra allows a wiz to out-heal a cleric MASSIVELY over a short period of time. I'm not going to even mentioned sage Dew gives a chance to heal 100% HP as it's so low, but again there are plenty of times a Wizzy has healed the tank in bh99/TT3-3 before nowMANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Barbs cannot compete with traditional DD classes (Archer and Wizz) when it comes to dps outage. Yes, i'm well aware about some of the claims surrounding fist Barb builds, but even this extreme variation cannot compete with fist BMs or Sins.
Fist BM could be argued to be an extreme variation itself, as to get the most out of it LA/puredex is the way to go.MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »It's not by making wildly enthusiastic and unaccurate claims that class boundaries are challenged, but by proving true capabilities.
You are on sanctuary server - throw me a PM and I'll demonstrate what I'm talking aboutb:laugh0 -
Jiblet - Sanctuary wrote: »
Here you're just wrong. I'm not saying that overall a cleric is a better healer, but a wiz with high mag is actually able to heal more per cast with Dew lvl 11 than a cleric, albeit non-stackable. Also, using heal in sutra allows a wiz to out-heal a cleric MASSIVELY over a short period of time. I'm not going to even mentioned sage Dew gives a chance to heal 100% HP as it's so low, but again there are plenty of times a Wizzy has healed the tank in bh99/TT3-3 before now
Hi Jib. b:pleased
Forgive me, but I see things like:
level 11 morning dew: Recovers target's HP by 1350 points plus 40% of
base magic damage. 5.7s overall cast (1.2 with sutra for 6s), 1s cooldown
level 11 stream of rejuvenation: Heal the target's HP, recovering 1800 plus 60%
of your base magic attack and and additional 1800 HP
over 15 seconds (guess that stacks also). 3.5s overall cast, 1s cooldown
Wizards are great in many things, even in healing here and there. But in no way they can compete with the heals of a cleric imho. b:surrender
Ok, with sutra you can draw even or maybe even get some more hp healed for 6 seconds every minute. Still that won't help much when things hit hard for more than 6s. b:chuckle
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Kyonkorrh - Sanctuary wrote: »Hi Jib. b:pleased
Forgive me, but I see things like:
level 11 morning dew: Recovers target's HP by 1350 points plus 40% of
base magic damage. 5.7s overall cast (1.2 with sutra for 6s), 1s cooldown
level 11 stream of rejuvenation: Heal the target's HP, recovering 1800 plus 60%
of your base magic attack and and additional 1800 HP
over 15 seconds (guess that stacks also). 3.5s overall cast, 1s cooldown
Wizards are great in many things, even in healing here and there. But in no way they can compete with the heals of a cleric imho. b:surrender
Ok, with sutra you can draw even or maybe even get some more hp healed for 6 seconds every minute. Still that won't help much when things hit hard for more than 6s. b:chuckle
b:bye
Sorry, but you forgot something.
There few ways to great heal even after sutra.
1. Wizards have passive skill to increase damage up to 25% for Sage.
2. Spark - I used it (second spark) to heal barbarian.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »Sorry, but you forgot something.
There few ways to great heal even after sutra.
1. Wizards have passive skill to icrease damage up to 25% for Sage.
2. Spark - I used it (double) to heal barbarian.
No, I didn't forget. Clerics have a powerful buff, I'm sure wizards know very well. b:chuckle If there's no cleric, you likely won't have this buff.
level 11 spirits gift: Increase the target's weapon magic attack bonus by 70% for
30 minutes.
(Demon version grants an additional 150% to magic attack for the first 10 seconds.)
And any class has its sparks. b:surrender
I won't even start about many different heal skills for every kind of different situations (squad heal, bb, etc.). Anyway, it's OT and I will shut up now. b:bye0 -
Castleberry - Heavens Tear wrote: »My 2 Cents:
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If I am in a standard build party (Tank-Healer-Puller-3 DDs) I want everyone to do what EVERYONE ELSE IS EXPECTING THEM TO DO. This is not to say a Cleric can't be a DD (for example) but if you are the Cleric designated to heal, then heal. If you are the puller, then learn how to pull CORRECTLY. If you aren't the tank, please try not to not pull aggro.
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i am a cleric. i come to party to heal - unless agreed differently _before_ engaging boss. when there are more clerics in the party we usually discuss who is doing what anyway, just to avoid confusion. what annoys me is when ppl tell me _who_ and _how_ and _when_ to heal
im lvl 91 now. i think most ppl should be able to believe i know my char and my skills and know what to use, when and on whom. 'overeheal' is a waste of mana and time, if i see tank has lots and lots of hp to spare i dont spam ih like a robot, i heal and debuff and dd. it speeds things up, it lowers the tank repair bill and wizzys mana pot bill. it doesnt endanger anyone, i still fulfill my main role (that of healer), just i do _more_. i bring additional value of debuffs and some dmg to the party. yes, there are situations where i cant do this, where i spam ih as fast as i can and spark to boost it too... but they are rare, and anyway i know these too. you wont see me dding when i solo heal ape or pole. but yes - on zunbao, who hit ra for about 2800 each hit, with 15k hp i really really didnt have to spam _anything_...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
To be an effective veno and something more than just a debuffer, a veno needs a herc. Unless, without paying for the expensive pet scrolls, you can show me how a veno tanks certain bosses like in 2-3, 3-1, etc. or makes the coin they do. They won't be utilized nearly as much as a veno without a herc, and there aren't many venos past their 90s who don't have one for a reason. If hercs weren't that necessary, then such a high amount of venos wouldn't have them, including my own.Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »if veno isnt gonna be main tank in squad then why should she have a herc to be useful toon? o0
where that idea came from?
seriously m8, u gotta stop assuming that if you cant be effective without herc, then others cant be too
your problem is that you think that your good or something like that prolly
Buffed, for Belial. It probably has to do with going with other AA clerics who've ate it by not having enough HP when Belial turns around and doesn't get reamed/quaked fast enough whereas every time I survived where they died. Not to mention before there was Quake clerics had to have far more HP. Might wanna actually have a conversation with others who clearly know more than you, which is just about everyone.i rememeber ur posts from cleric forums where u were convincing that cleric need to have 5,5hp+ HP to survive 2-3 run or brimstone xDDDtyi: both can be done with 4k hp without ur toon death, barb, herc veno, charms, cs gear or 2nd cler and with 4 rangers pulled on party and urself at last boss in brim (and i dont mean that you HP away and town- u actualy stay at spot and heal ppl)
magic - huh? learned on dreamwaver b:quiet[/quote]
No idea where this little rant came from but, okay. b:chuckle
That's like going, hey guise, I can do 1-3 soulbanisher with 2k HP and pure mag! Sure, you can, if you have a perfect squad that can kill him in, oh, 30 seconds, or BB outside his aoe range. Otherwise, you're a high risk of eating it, just like a 4K HP cleric on Belial.0 -
1. Wizzy never can replace cleric. It not his job. He can help in some situation but never fully replace. I can heal wined BH 79 without problems, but not unwined. I can tank also all bosses in BH 79 except stygean, but I cannot replace barb in another instances like 99 same with healing. We cannot fully replace clerics ins game no way.
2. Sage healing has 10% to fully heal target. With channeling gear my healing is much faster. So 1 time from ten I will fully recover target's HP regardless how big HP he has. Theoretically less than 1 minute I can fully recover target's hp.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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