Stop telling others how to play

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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    even though i have a herc, i like seamonster guardians better, especially with a lot of damage skills. hes fast, so he pulls well, and he makes djin soloable. i have a genie to save my **** if i take aggro, hood too. i dont really need a fat **** to make my life a breeze.

    @ guy who said:
    Archers always using Sharptooth on non-boss mobs
    this is a GOOD thing in TT/FB79+... seriously, it makes the dungeon that much faster doing a close range sta on a group if you have a herc tanking, jfc (jesus f'ing christ, my new online 3 letter word!)
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  • losstarot
    losstarot Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    this is a GOOD thing in TT/FB79+... seriously, it makes the dungeon that much faster doing a close range sta on a group if you have a herc tanking, jfc (jesus f'ing christ, my new online 3 letter word!)

    I guess what I meant to say is on mobs that the debuff is ultimately ineffective or on mobs that would die before the deduff runs out.
  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Sure but so is amp but you can cast that on them anyway why because you can. Better still sharptooth does damage amp doesn't.
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  • losstarot
    losstarot Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sure but so is amp but you can cast that on them anyway why because you can. Better still sharptooth does damage amp doesn't.

    The addition Amp received from Amp from you and your squad makes it more effective than STA on lesser mobs.

    Also, Amp doesn't affect the EXP that the mob gives whereas STA's debuff does (if it's still active on the mob's death, which case it often is on regular mobs).
  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    AoE plus damage plus lower life.
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  • losstarot
    losstarot Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    AoE plus damage plus lower life.

    ...but that damage is deferred from the debuff or the debuff is supercilious/useless by the time it's on the mob(s).
  • Motoko - Raging Tide
    Motoko - Raging Tide Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ofcourse I will tell people how to play, I'm not gonna have someone wasting my time in a sqaud because they are stupid and/or lazy.

    I was in a party with a Veno who wouldn't amp, and after reminding him 3-4x, he said "Don't tell me how to play!" So I booted him from the squad b:bye

    People should do things properly or gtfo. There is a pretty decent range of viable builds, Light armor Barb with elemental defense shards is not one of them, and will swiftly get the boot b:bye

    Plan on soloing to lvl 102 if you want to use a terrible build.

    And as for Venos, while having a Herc is optimal, expecting ever single player to fork over 200$ or 60-100m coins is insane. I know plenty of Venos with no Herc who play very well, and plenty with hercs who suck. Though if the Veno is skilled and has a Herc that is obviously even better.
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  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    ...but that damage is deferred from the debuff or the debuff is supercilious/useless by the time it's on the mob(s).


    kinda if used at the beginning thats still damage and if used in the middle the st doesn't do anything but still deals damage.

    There is a difference between asking and demanding remember that
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    Also, Amp doesn't affect the EXP that the mob gives whereas STA's debuff does (if it's still active on the mob's death, which case it often is on regular mobs).

    The only place this really matters would be Frost. Everywhere else STA is a godsend... sage soul degeneration is even a step better.
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  • losstarot
    losstarot Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    The only place this really matters would be Frost. Everywhere else STA is a godsend... sage soul degeneration is even a step better.

    I'm not arguing that STA is a great skill; I'm saying that when used on regular mobs, it's usefulness is greatly impacted and can affect others (ala EXP loss).
  • Lyritha - Heavens Tear
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    DaMan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I look at this and laugh. I agree though at the same time. I would definately make a lousy cleric, but as a general rule I go with "don't **** the cleric off, that's the person in the party keeping you alive." So if you can keep me nice and cozy, and make life miserable for someone else by al means go for it.

    Now that being said I do have a gripe. Why is it so hard for none herc venos / Assassins / Psychics to get in RB gamma? I've already tried starting a squad with my Sin on Raging Tide, and been told "we don't need a sin for this." I'm not here to get people together so you can tell me what is or isn't needed. us TB need RB experience just like everyone else. After all everyone is gonna need Delta for there culti. would like to get xp in Gamma before I hit levels needed for Delta. In short I agree with this post and already come across predjudice because of class choices.

    I find less about do you have a herc for RB and more "Want squad experienced people only" ****... as if RB Delta is that hard... it's a load of BS. Had a friend one time in squad and they were like she is new to RB we want a experienced Archer... so I told them if she doesn't go I do not go... and then they all of a sudden wanted us to stay and she did perfectly fine.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I just have this to say. When any of you ****ers run my toons, you can run them as you see fit, until then, keep your yaps shut because i'll run my ****ing toons the way I see fit to run them, and if you don't like it, **** off.

    ~S
  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I just have this to say. When any of you ****ers run my toons, you can run them as you see fit, until then, keep your yaps shut because i'll run my ****ing toons the way I see fit to run them, and if you don't like it, **** off.

    ~S

    Well said Saitada
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well said Saitada

    I'm a 1/2 rack into a case. Blunt is about as good as it is gonna get tonight.

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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    even though i have a herc, i like seamonster guardians better, especially with a lot of damage skills. hes fast, so he pulls well, and he makes djin soloable. i have a genie to save my **** if i take aggro, hood too. i dont really need a fat **** to make my life a breeze.

    @ guy who said:

    this is a GOOD thing in TT/FB79+... seriously, it makes the dungeon that much faster doing a close range sta on a group if you have a herc tanking, jfc (jesus f'ing christ, my new online 3 letter word!)

    o? you got your veno back?
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  • Coraline - Lost City
    Coraline - Lost City Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    kinda if used at the beginning thats still damage and if used in the middle the st doesn't do anything but still deals damage.

    There is a difference between asking and demanding remember that

    I love using ST on mobs, esp if its a group. Its a nice aoe if you don't have 2 sparks for zhen (or if a zhen isnt worth it)..plus it takes wayy less mana usage than Wingspan.
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  • Tapion_ - Dreamweaver
    Tapion_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 388 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The other day a squad member left the BH51 only because and we had no barb to tank, but we had a level 80 bm with us. I don't know why so many people are so close minded. I've seen clerics tank melee bosses by constantly healing himself while 5 assassins DD. There's tons of ways to get the job done.
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Coraline - Lost City wrote: »
    I love using ST on mobs, esp if its a group. Its a nice aoe if you don't have 2 sparks for zhen (or if a zhen isnt worth it)..plus it takes wayy less mana usage than Wingspan.

    The only time I suggest you don't use STA is during an FC run when you first start attacking the mobs. It does actually cut the amount of EXP they'll give you since it destroys their max HP and they die within 30 seconds.

    Then again, lately with all the FC squads I've been in, when I can finally start to channel STA, the mobs tend to die in the rest of the AoEs before I can fire it. D=
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  • Duke_Atticus - Sanctuary
    Duke_Atticus - Sanctuary Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    DaWoman - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I do agree that each class has their strong points, and they're fairly clearly marked... Barbs=aggro/dd, clerics= heal/dd, etc. But I also think that they should be given the choice to explore what their character is capable of doing without being ridiculed because "that's not what I was told".

    I've been in instances where people were open-minded enough to allow clerics to go DD crazy and somehow come out alive. But I've also been in instances where we waited for half an hour for a barb to turn up for Qingzi only because the BMs were too chicken to tank it and no one thought that wizzies or venos were better tanks. (I'd have tanked if I was playing my BM or veno. But I wasn't. =/)

    I don't like this whole stereotypical BS, but I wouldn't push it either. If randoms asked for stereotypes and they don't believe in trying things out, then I wouldn't count on them to pull off things. I've asked randoms to use strategies that I know work--most failed because they never believed they work.

    These days I'd watch players for their styles of playing. If they know what they're doing, they're usually open to suggestions, do a good job and are more trustworthy.

    I don't see a point raging at a bunch of close-minded players however. I'd usually just rely on myself, keep them alive, and move on. But squad wipe magnets are a different story...
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    DaMan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I look at this and laugh. I agree though at the same time. I would definately make a lousy cleric, but as a general rule I go with "don't **** the cleric off, that's the person in the party keeping you alive." So if you can keep me nice and cozy, and make life miserable for someone else by al means go for it.

    Now that being said I do have a gripe. Why is it so hard for none herc venos / Assassins / Psychics to get in RB gamma? I've already tried starting a squad with my Sin on Raging Tide, and been told "we don't need a sin for this." I'm not here to get people together so you can tell me what is or isn't needed. us TB need RB experience just like everyone else. After all everyone is gonna need Delta for there culti. would like to get xp in Gamma before I hit levels needed for Delta. In short I agree with this post and already come across predjudice because of class choices.

    Sounds like you're having the opposite issue I am. Apparently on sanc server, psychics and assassins have replaced venos in RB gamma. Saw a WC today saying

    LF assassin/psychic/archer to replace veno's job in gamma.

    I asked why replace a veno?

    Mean person didn't even answer me back.

    Another thing happened too, my husband (IRL) got kicked from his gamma squad on his veno before they even started because they said "veno's were useless in gamma. they cant aoe" they ended up replacing him with ANOTHER archer. so now theres 3 archers, 1 barb, a BM, and a cleric.

    Did i mention that it was also his first gamma on THAT char, and hes got a herc. they couldve at least taught him the veno part. He's already ran gamma on his cleric.

    I guess people are azzes now arent they?
    >.<
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    u has a hubby? i never knew about that b:chuckle

    wat chars does he have?
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  • Aya__ - Heavens Tear
    Aya__ - Heavens Tear Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    TY OP b:kiss
    TT squad last sunday: we are doing wurlord, other cleric set up bb. i heal tank(good barb i know well) from time to time, keeping him above 50%, have lots of time to debuff and dd boss. i got yelled at by other cleric (!), cos in her opinion i should spam heal tank. only. nothing else fits my role in life. just ih till my brain melts. nvm its not effective or necessary...
    according to some im a total fail then: i tank magic bossess and mobs, i debuff and dd, i pull if we dont have a veno - or if i want to spare veno a hassle with re-summoning and re-buffing herc... i dont know my place ands thats that b:surrender
    fortunately i do have friends who think its great that i can do other things than heal. who think my versatility is a bonus, is a proof i can play my char to the most. yes, im healer first, its a class i have chosen to play and i enjoy playing it. but it doesnt mean i have to put ih on half of the quick cast keys, and res on others...
    that tendency to put ppl into boxes - very tight boxes - makes me hate random squads more and more. i just dont want to deal with ppl who _know_ what im supposed to do and when... and its a shame, because half my friends list are ppl whom i met during bhs or quests... if i dont go with randoms i will miss a lot of nice ppl and good players... and also some new players who arent bad, just never tried to be creative wont see that things can be done differently, and be lots of fun at the same time
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  • DaWoman - Dreamweaver
    DaWoman - Dreamweaver Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Motoko - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Ofcourse I will tell people how to play, I'm not gonna have someone wasting my time in a sqaud because they are stupid and/or lazy.

    I was in a party with a Veno who wouldn't amp, and after reminding him 3-4x, he said "Don't tell me how to play!" So I booted him from the squad b:bye

    People should do things properly or gtfo. There is a pretty decent range of viable builds, Light armor Barb with elemental defense shards is not one of them, and will swiftly get the boot b:bye

    Plan on soloing to lvl 102 if you want to use a terrible build.

    And as for Venos, while having a Herc is optimal, expecting ever single player to fork over 200$ or 60-100m coins is insane. I know plenty of Venos with no Herc who play very well, and plenty with hercs who suck. Though if the Veno is skilled and has a Herc that is obviously even better.

    Now, remember when I said that Oracle babies are part of the issue? Think I'll now refer to is as "Motoko-ism" b:victory
  • DaWoman - Dreamweaver
    DaWoman - Dreamweaver Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Aya__ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    TY OP b:kiss
    TT squad last sunday: we are doing wurlord, other cleric set up bb. i heal tank(good barb i know well) from time to time, keeping him above 50%, have lots of time to debuff and dd boss. i got yelled at by other cleric (!), cos in her opinion i should spam heal tank. only. nothing else fits my role in life. just ih till my brain melts. nvm its not effective or necessary...
    according to some im a total fail then: i tank magic bossess and mobs, i debuff and dd, i pull if we dont have a veno - or if i want to spare veno a hassle with re-summoning and re-buffing herc... i dont know my place ands thats that b:surrender
    fortunately i do have friends who think its great that i can do other things than heal. who think my versatility is a bonus, is a proof i can play my char to the most. yes, im healer first, its a class i have chosen to play and i enjoy playing it. but it doesnt mean i have to put ih on half of the quick cast keys, and res on others...
    that tendency to put ppl into boxes - very tight boxes - makes me hate random squads more and more. i just dont want to deal with ppl who _know_ what im supposed to do and when... and its a shame, because half my friends list are ppl whom i met during bhs or quests... if i dont go with randoms i will miss a lot of nice ppl and good players... and also some new players who arent bad, just never tried to be creative wont see that things can be done differently, and be lots of fun at the same time

    lmao the Director in our Faction, Goldsmate..lvl 9x cleric and if we let her she'd tank, dd, and pull the bosses o.O we love it... I mean, I don't see why someone wouldn't want you to DD if it's gonna make it go faster, specially when you gotta kill that dude 4 friggin times and pray for atleast 2 drops. Oy, anyways... I totally agree with you, and thanks for replying :)
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I often had to say these in the past..

    "This is a DD party, please support with heals..."

    "Keep stacking ironhearts.. don't macro heal for this boss, purify quickly too >.>"

    "Don't stop roaring and biting" (restatting to claws eliminated the need for this lol)

    "Please watch my health bar... I'll probably steal aggro :P"

    and so on and so fourth...


    I also like giving gear adive...

    "Please replace those Alabaster shards with Citrines..."

    "You're a barb... why are you using pdef ornaments?!?"

    "You're a caster... why are you using mdef ornaments without -chan?!?"


    Random:

    "You're a heavy veno... you realize I'm mos likely gonna run to SZ and QQ, right?" lol

    "Ehee'd...." ....
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  • DrunkWizard - Lost City
    DrunkWizard - Lost City Posts: 523 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Latentkarma - Lost City wrote: »
    If you don't play your class as I tell you to play it, because I have played every class there is to 150 and know how to play them all so well that God asks me for advice on how to play his toons so you all suck and need to listen to me and play as I tell you to play because I have played every class like I said before and you all don't know how to play your class and you need to listen to me and take my advice because I know how to play all the classes so well that nobody is as good as me and you all suck.

    /end sarcasm

    stop trolling seriously who the **** are you? to 150? dont make me laugh b:chuckle
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    DrunkWizard - Lost City wrote: »
    stop trolling seriously who the **** are you? to 150? dont make me laugh b:chuckle

    They're mocking a particular poster in this thread...
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    They're mocking a particular poster in this thread...

    In addition, please note the "/end sarcasm" at the end of the post...

    b:surrender
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  • Starflair - Dreamweaver
    Starflair - Dreamweaver Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    As a BM, I'm never tanking unless theres no barb. I like to tank, but I simply cant keep up with the aggro, which is normal. I hate that there are "roles" we have to play, and that many players have such high expectations when you're a cleric or a Barb. When you see "LF cleric for bh51" you can bet that person isn't looking for an attack cleric, and is ignorant to the fact that not all players go with a traditional build.

    The lame fact of the matter is that most classes have their specialties which many players have such high expectations. For some reason, Venos HAVE TO KNOW how to pull, otherwise they fail. That kind of erks me, because the whole "pulling" thing is a glitch that should be fixed IMO. The fact that a player doesn't know how to abuse the system shouldn't mean they get ridiculed and/or kicked from the squad.

    And if you're a barb, sorry to say but if you're ever playing as a barb, you WILL be tanking, because from what i can tell, all your best moves are super aggresive, so you don't really have a choice in your role as a squad member...unless you make some kind of mag barb...which probably won't work out very well.

    Those are just examples though. I'm kind of sad and glad for choosing the path of a BM. On one hand, sad because no one has any expectations besides DD. On the other hand, glad that no one has high expectations of you because you're not particularly special at anything.

    Really though. stop making a fuss about peoples "roles" here. If someone "screws uo", don't make them feel inadequate. Give them some advice on whatever they did to fail the team, and give them another shot.
  • dustyballz
    dustyballz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    So for those people that have never been in FF or BH or wherever I keep hearing about, some acronym probably, but a name would be great for the ones that haven't been yet so they know what people are talking about.... Basically the griping in this topic is about "players that don't know how to play their class in MY squad." Right? It's all about the fact it's YOUR squad and everyone in it WILL play how you say to play? Or if a somewhat new player, like only in PWI for a month or two, is in a squad.... can this newish player ever get any answers to questions about playing in that squad/run or any pointers on how to play properly in that run? Hell no, all players of PWI are expected to be experts, to know everything possible about every class in the game, and never ever ask a question that someone else may have asked when they were new to PWI, as the question asker aka the noob will be booted from every squad and will probably be blacklisted.

    Why are players of PWI so full of themselves and can't spend one minute to help another player that might in turn help you with something you need or want to do? Way too much vile attitude IMO and way too many verbal attacks to anyone that has to ask a question. How in the world is anyone supposed to be a PWI expert and knows everything about PWI by soloing forever? Players need to be nicer and more accepting of other people that are playing the same game. It could be a good and helpful community, but instead it's all ME ME ME and **** YOU NUB. Right?

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