Stop telling others how to play

I'm really glad some people are thinking that way (:not to tell others what to do), and dusty I so agree with you O_O

I debuted PWI several weeks after the Tideborn release, I found this class kind of good looking (okay everyone has their own tastes xD) and Psychics to be kind of unique amongst all other MMORPG I played before.
So yeah I'm still a newbie, I have still so much to discover, and I learn every day (*made my first TT yesterday >_<*).

All my newbies days are so fresh to me : I was only grinding alone (dunno how to squad up x)) up to lvl19, then I found a godly faction and was asking pretty newbie question (what are BH? Who is Head Hunter, What is refining? woot so good I got a celestone fragment!!) and I was lucky I found a really nice and patient faction. I hope every newbie can find one as clever and open minded as mine, and now I try to help every newbie players in the faction.

I've still so much to learn about every class, and you about the Tideborns (if you haven't made one yet ^^), but in my unlucky newbie status, I was lucky I made a TB coz no one didn't know how it worked and nobody could ask me to play one manner over another xD

But sometimes in squad I see players who ask clerics or barb to play one manner so that not everyone die. I can't blame them not wanting to die, or giving advices too, but it seems so wrong to me, maybe coz i'm a psychic and every psy play differently (for the moment, before someone put a 'How should a good psy play guide')
Actually when I die I blame myself for stupidly pulling aggro from the barb, I don't blame him he couldn't hold it, or the cleric to heal me.


When you see a player having hard time, help him to improve, not to be what you want him to be or should be, it's pretty ridiculous and lead to a so boring and bitter game... Overcoming difficultes is what make us love our char right? Adapting to every player and every mob is what is fun right?


wops I talked to much , huhu sry ><

A wizzy can tank as well as a barb in 80% of cases, and so can a BM, or an archer, or a veno, or a cleric. All depends on gear and build.

Any class can pull just like a veno (with suitable genie)

A wizzy can heal better than a cleric in a lot of pve situations

A barb can make a damn good DD - again gear and build dependent

An archer can solo Nirvana

HA wizzies still fail thob:laugh

Why limit yourself? We ran BH99 last week in a squad with 3 archers, 1 cleric, 2 wizzies, and I had no issues tanking it (although I pitied the cleric - it was a fac bh run and we were all aggro whoring as hard as we could and trying to get each other killed by causing boss aoe'sb:laugh ). Admittedly in some situations you need to "play your class", most of the time there's no reason not to go wild.....to many people assume that something can't be done, simply because they have never tried it.

Lyritha - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I do not play my cleric often but when I do people get pissed that I'm healing and DDing at the same time... that just baffles me when they are like still alive... maybe I should start letting people die b:laugh

i am a lvl 93 cleric and i heal and DD at the same time all the time...and yes i am tired of the complaints that i should be strickly healing...listen people just because i am a cleric does not mean i can not do both...as well as tank things...and if the complaints don't stop I will stick to DD and not heal...I am a person behind this toon and like all other people i have feelings...so remember that...when you start yelling at someone...because i have let people die because of them yelling at me and then refused to rez them...so if you dont want to lose out of xp play your own toon and leave the rest of us alone.

Jiblet - Sanctuary wrote: »

A wizzy can tank as well as a barb in 80% of cases, and so can a BM, or an archer, or a veno, or a cleric. All depends on gear and build.

Any class can pull just like a veno (with suitable genie)

A wizzy can heal better than a cleric in a lot of pve situations

A barb can make a damn good DD - again gear and build dependent

An archer can solo Nirvana

HA wizzies still fail thob:laugh

Wait, it's one thing to be suportive of trying new things but you're running too far with this.

A Wizzie cannot tank as effectively as a barb whatever his gear. It's not only that phys is an important component in most bosses' damage but that their hp pool is too shallow. Same for other classes. Barbs have aggro holding skills which simply cannot be matched even by profficient damage dealers.

No class can pull as well as veno. Pets have a longer range than Zeal's Earthflame and venos are usually much more experienced with the small minutiae that surrounds pulling. A veno remains the most effective puller you can squad.

Wizards cannot heal better than a cleric in any situation. Morning Dew has a long channel and it doesn't offer the performance reliability of Ironheart's stackable HoT.

Barbs cannot compete with traditional DD classes (Archer and Wizz) when it comes to dps outage. Yes, i'm well aware about some of the claims surrounding fist Barb builds, but even this extreme variation cannot compete with fist BMs or Sins.

Archers soloing is a very different scenario than those involving squad work. A specialist will still perform a better job in a group.

HA wizzies fail... until someone actually finds a way to make it work. There's nothing wrong with experimentation except when you mislead people you've squaded with about it.

I realize any class can be capable of challenging established wisdom and performing uncommon feats, but the points remains that specialists are considered so for a reason. It's not by making wildly enthusiastic and unaccurate claims that class boundaries are challenged, but by proving true capabilities.

Chezedude - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Disagree...

ppl sometimes get in the way, aggro extra mobs, aggro extra mobs which then aggro me, die, die from aoe, can't keep up.

But a cleric in most cases are still nice. lol

I ment in a squad which did make abundantly clear. An archer is better off doing DD work than tanking if an propiately geared/leveled Barb is present.

Edit; And your argument is based on your squad mates being idiots. Can you please tell me for which bosses/instances is an archer a better tank than a same level barb or even BM? It really is hard to find good tanks.

Chezedude - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If anyone can actually keep aggro off me while I'm doing 20k damage per second to ? boss I'd gladly let them tank.

lol i think 20k damage per second is also a understatement too, its more like 50k per second for you Cheze

So you're basically saying it's easier to have the cleric focus on you than it is for you to manage aggro? Cool story bro.

Guess bosses at around lvl 100 must be easier than those at my range cuz LA usually gets ***** when tanking at my level. Especially level appropiate ? bosses...

Chezedude - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes let me manage my damage and decrease it to 4k per second with a bow so our squad take another 8 minutes to chill on each boss.

I stand corrected then. At what level do you suggest i start looking for Archers instead of Barbs for tanking jobs? Or is this just you with uber CS gear?

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hmm, nope, you just assumed wrong. It's nice to have another herc in squads like FF, and I usually ask for those first, but it's not necessary especially when my veno has one. And when I do, say, a 3-1 and I happen to be on my cleric, I will usually ask for a herc veno before a barb, as a magmite or glacial walker veno just might have a bit more trouble tanking bosses there. Does this really need to be iterated or am I getting hit up by the PC police? Now regarding the **** part, given you were incorrect in your presumption (might have to do with being on Dreamweaver and pretending you know something) who's making the **** out of their self? That's right. You. b:chuckle


Yeah I've been in every possible instance in every facet of the game. I'm omnipresent. Whoa, you are too? High five!

It's quite necessary if you are without a) a cleric or b) a barb, and are doing certain instances, as per the example in a previous post. Not much more to delve into that as the rest are clearly semantics to go along with a rant that originated from one's certain ****. If venos can afford insane amounts of hyper stones, TT99, anni pack gear (helm, feet, lunar, etc.), they can likely afford a herc by the time they get high enough to wear this stuff. Hence why you rarely see 90+ venos without a herc. b:chuckle

A magmite can tank ALMOST as good as a Herc if you level it's skills and maybe add a skill. Before Hercs, we did everything without them. TBH, all the absolute most fail venos I have ever squaded with had a Herc. Reason: Those particular venos (not all venos with a Herc mind you) didn't ever have to learn how to play a veno in party since they soloed all the way up to whatever level (leaving all their loot lying on the ground for me to pick up since they were too scared to actually get near the mobs) and never had to work for it.

IMO, give me a HA Veno with free pets they know how to use, who actually knows how to pull effectively and has actually leveled their fox form skills to a point where they can help the party over some fail Arcane Veno with Herc and Nix who doesn't know how to RUN AWAY after pulling a mob. Only true advantage of a Herc is Reflect Skill since the Devs are too greedy to let us buy that skill for other pets. I myself will play my veno with my assortment of semi rare and rare TAMEABLE pets simply to protest the idea of a cash shop item that gives unfair advantage to fail players.

Note:
I think the reason I find this Herc thing so annoying, is twofold.

One: No other class can simply drop a few hundo in the CS and get an OP weapon. Maybe if they had a full set of Three Star OHT Gear or a Pan Gu's Giant Axe in the cash shop I might get over my bad self.

Two: When I started playing my veno (pre-Herc) half the fun was taming different pets and learning the strengths and weaknesses of each, and when to use (for example) the Little Frog as opposed to the Lunar Lupin. Now we have noob venos that have never tamed a pet since they bought a herc and a nix at level one and simply stood back and watched it level them. (One friend of mine did a 70 mob kill quest by simply standing out of range of the mobs and sending the Herc into a mass bunch while he went to lunch. Herc was the same level as the mobs it was fighting and when he came back from lunch the Herc was still going, didn't even need a heal in that whole time. And this was a veno that was quite capable of doing everything Hercless before they came out, he just did it to prove a point about how OP they are.)

Sorry for the rant, but though I still love this game, it took a major blow in terms of uniqueness as far as Classes and how they interact when they added the Cash Shop pets to the game. I miss the days when you NEEDED a full well rounded party to get things done. It added to the social aspect of the game and made strategy and skill a lot more important.

Chezedude - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm an anomaly. b:shocked

you were probably being sarcastic but obviously most archers aren't built to tank.

My point exactly. Given enough resources i could easily both be a better tank and a better DD than most barbs/archers my level. The thread is bout builds...

DaWoman - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that most people have a stigma when it comes to this game....

Barb = Tank
Veno = Pull/DD
Archer = Ranged/DD
Cleric = Healing only
Blademaster = DD
Wizard = Magic DD w/ continuous AoE and "Ghetto heals"

Now then, I am a barb, and I tank nearly everything that my faction needs done... Except things like Mantavip, who is now call the NightPatrol Shadestalker ? or some **** like that... he's near Misfortune. You actually need a magic tank for him. The way I see it, if someone can get aggro and hold aggro without getting themselves offed.. Let that person tank. Nothing on this game is set in stone. I've seen everything from heavy armor clerics to light armor barbs to heavy armor venos. Now I'm going to say this and I don't want anyone to take offense... But you don't need a herc to be a good veno, vice versa, having a herc doesn't make you a good or bad veno, it's how you use the tools you have.

And I for one applaud a person's ability to think outside the norm and come up with new and better ways to get things done. But the bottom line to this post is this:

People are people, you can't do anything about it, and every person has the right to make his or her own choices... So I say instead of QQing about the assissins and psychics stealing aggro from you and using bows, find new and better ways on how to use what they can do instead of asking them to gimp their own character just because the big bad barb can't compete with their damage. It's short-sited, selfish, and presumptious.

I commend all of you who are able to think outside of the box and come up with new and more exciting ways to make this game better. Thank you all.

Agreed. Oh and can someone tell me what the abbreviation 'OP' stands for?

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Overpowered
Original Poster
Opening Poster

Overpowered i knew, but didn't fit the context it was being used in, must be one of the others, makes more sense now hehe thanks.

Amen, the tank would be the one who best hodl agro without dieing. a cleric can DD too, or tank ... come on, venos with hercs? whats wrong with a normal tank, i hear magmite hold agro better anyways. i even do wolf tanking (thats a weak pet used for luring often) ... i by accident got to tank Slither (that huge snake on the tei-chi shore) that wasn't even planed but it happened. What role u play all depend on the situation and believe me just cuz a veno got a herc don't prevent a bad played role, thats the experience controlign that.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hmm, nope, you just assumed wrong. It's nice to have another herc in squads like FF, and I usually ask for those first, but it's not necessary especially when my veno has one. And when I do, say, a 3-1 and I happen to be on my cleric, I will usually ask for a herc veno before a barb, as a magmite or glacial walker veno just might have a bit more trouble tanking bosses there. Does this really need to be iterated or am I getting hit up by the PC police? Now regarding the **** part, given you were incorrect in your presumption (might have to do with being on Dreamweaver and pretending you know something) who's making the **** out of their self? That's right. You.

if veno isnt gonna be main tank in squad then why should she have a herc to be useful toon? o0
where that idea came from?
seriously m8, u gotta stop assuming that if you cant be effective without herc, then others cant be too

your problem is that you think that your good or something like that prolly

i rememeber ur posts from cleric forums where u were convincing that cleric need to have 5,5hp+ HP to survive 2-3 run or brimstone xDDD

tyi: both can be done with 4k hp without ur toon death, barb, herc veno, charms, cs gear or 2nd cler and with 4 rangers pulled on party and urself at last boss in brim (and i dont mean that you HP away and town- u actualy stay at spot and heal ppl)

magic - huh? learned on dreamwaver b:quiet


EDIT:

*saw brock on his barb* just on forums tho :0
stop playing that ur sin and asking random ppl for buffs xD
im surprised you didnt quit that toon yet. getting killed by barbs in random squads must be annoying for you