Treatment of Clerics

people do treat clerics bad, and if it wasn't for them, squads wouldn't be able to survive. I always try to acknowledge my mistakes and I don't put my mistakes on the cleric, unless the cleric stops healing when he/she should. its been many times that when I die, the cleric starts acting like if it was the gravest mistake in the world, because people mistreat them, and I have seen it happen. when I die, and it is my fault, I always say it, it is my fault, cleric had nothing to do with my death. oh and I forgot, hi there Kag

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:bye This is the sole reason for legendary pets k bye thanks.

cheers!


seriously, this is a stupid thread. Everyone is not nice to everyone at some point in time, no matter what class they are. Get over it, move on, find someone else to play with, and dont bring your drama here. gtfo

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

cheers!


seriously, this is a stupid thread. Everyone is not nice to everyone at some point in time, no matter what class they are. Get over it, move on, find someone else to play with, and dont bring your drama here. gtfo

Your class probably gets the most hate (at least on the forums)...

And yet there are constantly threads like this "Respect the Cleric", "You Should Thank Us", etc.

Yes, we saved your party. Yes, we debuffed and healed and DDed when we could. Can we please stop with the endless "thank us" threads? That's the point of our class. Do we constantly see archer threads asking for thanks for DDing on bosses?

No forum thread is going to convince another class to stop abusing a class if they're already doing it. What's the point...?

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

Your class probably gets the most hate (at least on the forums)...

in game too lol
Theres a few factions, iv been apart of for a brief period, that sometimes in guild chat.. a "hate the venos" discussion would arise. lol



but anyways.. for my fb69 i invited a cleric i didn't really know that well. This person had a mouth on him, just wouldn't shut up and then started getting in a verbal argument with my other cleric.
So we finally get to Pyro, and this cleric is still being a big bad azz. The big bad cleric all full of himself, goes and pulls pyro. without letting a zeal genie or a veno pet pull. So naturally he taking all kinds of dmg.
As hes barely keeping himself alive, hes yelling... tab it tab it now.
So, the whole time i'm thinking to myself.. i hate this person and i dont want him to get my tab exp+rep. So me, the other cleric and the barb all decide to let the big ego cleric die.
It was great too, you can tell he was charmed and it was ticking like hell, while hes yelling tab it tab it. lol I wish i had video of that moment. ... n e ways, we let the cleric die.. we leave the instance and come back later to have a smooth fb69.

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

in game too lol
Theres a few factions, iv been apart of for a brief period, that sometimes in guild chat.. a "hate the venos" discussion would arise. lol



but anyways.. for my fb69 i invited a cleric i didn't really know that well. This person had a mouth on him, just wouldn't shut up and then started getting in a verbal argument with my other cleric.
So we finally get to Pyro, and this cleric is still being a big bad azz. The big bad cleric all full of himself, goes and pulls pyro. without letting a zeal genie or a veno pet pull. So naturally he taking all kinds of dmg.
As hes barely keeping himself alive, hes yelling... tab it tab it now.
So, the whole time i'm thinking to myself.. i hate this person and i dont want him to get my tab exp+rep. So me, the other cleric and the barb all decide to let the big ego cleric die.
It was great too, you can tell he was charmed and it was ticking like hell, while hes yelling tab it tab it. lol I wish i had video of that moment. ... n e ways, we let the cleric die.. we leave the instance and come back later to have a smooth fb69.

i have done that befor ..n tanked pyro n a few adds its not to hard ...altho i cant really keep aggro to well and wouldnt try it to much. sry i forgot to piont it out ..i meant on my cleric ..she is 86 forgot i was using my barbs avatar

sigh lets just get down to the point.

you die thats no ones fault but your own, dont take it out on the tank or cleric they can only do so much.

LilWolfy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i have done that befor ..n tanked pyro n a few adds its not to hard ...altho i cant really keep aggro to well and wouldnt try it to much. sry i forgot to piont it out ..i meant on my cleric ..she is 86 forgot i was using my barbs avatar

i'm not saying its hard for a cleric to tank a magic boss.
The point of what i said was that the cleric is a jerk and we let him die because hes a jerk. ^^

Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »

While I definitely appreciate the thanks [because I can't help feeling responsible for squad death, whether it was my fault or not], clerics aren't all that necessary either, in many situations.

In fact, sometimes I just feel like a hp charm saver rather than a lifesaver. There are some archers who run ahead and say "ooh look at me I can tank this" when all they are really doing is letting their charm tank. I'm sure barbs can charm tank without heals as well. I'd argue that the only thing that clerics are needed for is Purify. And yet this is a skill that many do not fully levels/many do not use properly.

Just as legendary pets replace barbs, hp charms replace clerics. I don't see this getting mentioned a lot but it's pretty true.

at lv 90 i charm tanked one of the harder bosses in FB99 ....till my charm ran out prettie quikly ...so i can agree and disagree with that ..altho i rarely use charms at all more so now that gold is insane im prettie good at staying alive w/o a charm i personally think it just makes u lazy

barbs for RB are very hard to find. I have been in RB squads where the barb is too weak and he dies at stage 6, I have been at squads where the barb doesn't aggro, I have been in squad where the barb is a newb and doesn't follow directions (he wanted to do the whole run in human form, while we all told him to turn to tiger form. obviously, we failed) and I have also seen very good barbs that do their job exceedingly well. I have found that the best barbs aren't those with big ego's. once on a RB run, the whole squad except the veno claimed to be super pros, and they didn't even get past the first stage.

cyborgtemplar wrote: »

cause that was just mean. clerics arent just a healing slave for you to carry around. use some pots, apoth heal, genie heal instead of just relying on us clerics to heal you all the time. yea your charm may tick every so often but ours ticks ALL THE TIME so suck it up and deal with it. I mean seriously just cause we do a better job at healing than you doesn't mean it's our only job so get used to it.

If someone just stops healing, then they aren't doing their job. We have a side job of debuffing/DDing when we can, yes. But our main job is to HEAL. That's why we have so many healing skills. If I don't feel like I have a good handle on the situation I won't debuff or DD, just heal the tank until I'm certain that everything is working out.

Allowing the entire party to die isn't our job, however.

david12345 wrote: »

I don't know what it was exactly; the cleric did not comment.

True, maybe he lagged - but this too is one of his responsibilities; if you are prone to lag then you must inform your party members so that they have a chance to plan ahead and around that issue, or get a second cleric to back you up.

Its common sense, yet so many clerics I have seen go into a FB/BH guns blazing and then we die, cleric simply says lag. Everyone rages and berates the cleric for not informing of his lag. Its one of the biggest party killers for me.

I know, many clerics are afraid to lose their spots if they admit they lag, but whats worse: chance of being kicked or chance of getting the whole party wiped, getting abused, then kicked? For all you know the leader might be considerate and understand this issue.

I play from overseas (read: 200+ ping) and I can count the number of mega lag spikes I got on one hand since I started playing. And even then I minimize and find out I was downloading "stuff". Makes it hard for me to sympathize with people who experience these completely random lag spikes that last long enough so that the whole party is dead to a subpar boss.

true but most the lag is from people with low end cpu's and it's low graphics (lag from animations) or not alot of ram but w/e. even i got low and the main place i lag is west arch every other place i just set animations second to minimum and nomrally do ok after the first 30 seconds or so

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

If someone just stops healing, then they aren't doing their job. We have a side job of debuffing/DDing when we can, yes. But our main job is to HEAL. That's why we have so many healing skills. If I don't feel like I have a good handle on the situation I won't debuff or DD, just heal the tank until I'm certain that everything is working out.

Allowing the entire party to die isn't our job, however.

i agree with this as well, but the thing is most people think our job is only heal and anytme we debuff or try a DD they ***** and complain that their not overhealed. i'll IH and BB their the only 2 heals i'll really use. i may max my wellspring later on but for now those ones are fine. I'm mostly a combat cleric I made the guy specifically to not die when I hit something. The same point i mention is still true though. our heiro's will keep ticking to save theirs and they complain about 1-2 ticks so much that it's sad. if they don't have a couple side heals of their own to add on to ours(non charms) then their pretty weak withought us. I know clerics are good at healing and so appointed that role and hence I heal when it's needed. But during TT runs and such I wouldn't mind first pick for sacrificing my charms for somebody else and keeping them alive during the run, otherwise it's just not really worth the price I pay to keep it. Now the barbs tank part is short. Their good at tanking for high life but their not needed, I only like one in the party when i got archers or wizards and that's just for fleash ream mainly to keep the agro off them and make the whole run go smoother in which a veno can get ream on their pet so it's still not as necessary. Barbs can do some nice dmg too in human form as well so just tanking isn't everything they do (i dont play a barb btw). Higher hp so they dont die in 1 shot and IH stack can replenish hp back and agro holding to keep the DD's from drawing it are their main purposes which a BM cant pull off as easy (herc can though). BM gets a much higher pdef than barb when using alter marrow so their tanking skills are just as good as ong as it's not a 1 shot kill type boss. there that should about cover the main points and that i'm not against healing if that's what you thought b:chuckle.

Bebisito - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When I feel taken advantage of by someone, I never help them again. End of story. It has nothing to do with feeling better than anyone, I just think a lot of people expect barbs and clerics to drop whatever it is they're doing to help out.

That being said, I think I've only been blamed for a party wipe once, and that was when the barb glitch was still around. o_o

lol sry just saying something again so my avatar is actually on this time. but yea we get abused and reused. but oh well, and contrary to what somebody said earlier, we don't always make our chars knowing all that would occur such as just mostly just heal or take hits (cleric/barb respectively). but oh well I'll leave to the elitists.

edit: same person as cyborgtemplar lol

I had a lv101 BM in FB99 tell me 'HEAL PLS' when i actually already was IHing him already, 'HEAL ME LIKE A BARB', while the aggro was actually on the archer. Then the last part he leeroyed solo into a mob while we were all still killing 2 mobs, and he promptly died. b:cute this i repeat is lv101

I treat mean pple as they deserve, but I also treat these sort of pple as they deserve too...

Hi all,I also saw this topic and wanted to say smg .Many people asked me to tank bosses for them and cuz in our guild we dont have mutch tanks mostly Im pretty busy with bosses.I tanked bosses from lvl29 to lvl90 and didnt refuse to anyone who needed my help and I m free.When I was lower lvl many ppls helped me so Im helpin others now and dont act like royal or smg only because barbs r minority as a whole.But I really get annoyed when ,u know,some person spams with requests"kill me this ,kill me that"and when u refuse to do so starts complainin and makin drama like hell.As for clerics-well Ive been in pty with great clerics who do their job xtremely good but also been in pty with clerics who ask me"do u have charm?"and I say"yes|and then the answer was"well so u dont need heal so mutch|"I was like"w t h"?so u can spend ur gold on tons of charms cuz cleric is lazy to heal ya???but my idea is that everyone spends resources on heal/tank etc just respect ppls resource,do ur job and all will be fine.As a whole I respect anyone who decided to play cler cuz of their uneasy job,but if he/she lets u die only cuz wana save mana/prefer to act "super hero"and hit boss all the time(seen a lots of em)better get archer or smg.A -bit-offtopic/big part of venos I ve been in pty with dont realize their supporting role in pty-they dont amply boss only nuking (with 1st skill)and when u ask why they dont amplify they say|conserving mana" -and how mutch time and heal from cler will take killin tough boss w/o constand amplify ?some of em even dun wana lure boss they say"u have Zeal u can do it"-Im not sayin its all venos but bigger part Ive seen yes-on other side Ive been in pty with great supportin venos but not mutch times-all I wana say-ppls respect each one's resourses and try to protect each other in pty and respect everyone-this game isnt meant to be solo.(sry 4 long post)