Spliting TT drops, and fairness
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Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »One thing to point out is that dropping a bunch of coins and picking them up means you actually pay 5/6 of the amount you bid. So if I bid on an Antenna for 2m, drop, pickup, I end up only paying 5/6 of that.
If a mat is priced at 2.4 million, they drop 2.4 million. It then splits among the group by 6 for 400k each. This works the exact same as if they had sold it in AH. You're thinking of them already taking out their share, then dropping that amount of coins.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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Even though I support the idea of stuff going to who needs it when you run with the same group/faction all the time, one downfall of this (more so in factions than groups) is that new people are always going to need things, which puts the older people in a perpetual cycle of constant help to gear people. This is a bigger issue in factions where people jump around (particularly after reaching x level) to get to a bigger/better faction. It will eventually make those who get little be fed up and leave as they get nothing out of the runs.0
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Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »If a mat is priced at 2.4 million, they drop 2.4 million. It then splits among the group by 6 for 400k each. This works the exact same as if they had sold it in AH. You're thinking of them already taking out their share, then dropping that amount of coins.
No, what I am thinking is if someone says, "I am going to pay the rest of you 2m", drops 2m on the ground, and picks it up. In that case, that person is actually paying 1.6m.
It is a matter of communication. Some people think "putting money in for the squad" is the same as "putting money in for the rest of the squad" are the same. They are not the same, but it is very easy to miscommunicate this idea.0 -
Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »No, what I am thinking is if someone says, "I am going to pay the rest of you 2m", drops 2m on the ground, and picks it up. In that case, that person is actually paying 1.6m.
It is a matter of communication. Some people think "putting money in for the squad" is the same as "putting money in for the rest of the squad" are the same. They are not the same, but it is very easy to miscommunicate this idea.
I can see the demonstration of miscommunication, because you just said no, and then said exactly what I type
2.4 million minus their share would be 2 million, which means they are taking their share out and then dropping that amount; i.e. 2 million.
Had to point it out, it is kind of ironic to demonstrate while pointing the very thing out b:chuckleFist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »I can see the demonstration of miscommunication, because you just said no, and then said exactly what I type
2.4 million minus their share would be 2 million, which means they are taking their share out and then dropping that amount; i.e. 2 million.
Had to point it out, it is kind of ironic to demonstrate while pointing the very thing out b:chuckle
... *sighs* never mind.0 -
Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »Even though I support the idea of stuff going to who needs it when you run with the same group/faction all the time, one downfall of this (more so in factions than groups) is that new people are always going to need things, which puts the older people in a perpetual cycle of constant help to gear people. This is a bigger issue in factions where people jump around (particularly after reaching x level) to get to a bigger/better faction. It will eventually make those who get little be fed up and leave as they get nothing out of the runs.
You can solve this problem by prioritizing by level + guild membership time. Therefore:
Same membership length: needs of L90 > needs of L80.
Slightly different membership length: generally, needs of longer member > shorter member, unless the shorter member is considerably higher level.
Considerably different membership length: Needs of longer member > needs of shorter member.
It's up to the leader/officers of the guild to make these rules and enforce them. I certainly don't mind coming to a higher level TT if those higher levels will help me later with my mats.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
cleric can use concentrate orb to heal (spam IH) and its cheaper, and they got second pick they dont need to burn charm anymore, unless they do BB.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I will only do one squad run at each level to get my quests out of the way because of this distribution system.
My justification:
I am a veno, I tank all the non-barb required bosses because the barb doesn't want the repair bill, but it eats my mana charm like mad. When the barb misses the catch on boss pulls, I lose my herc or an angel, and this is fairly frequent, costing me martin's nests or or angels. In general, venos suck for drops, so I can spend 2-3 hours in a TT and get, not kidding, 3 dq's from regular drops that do not even DENT my costs...yet the barb has already gotten 60-80K in dq items without touching a boss?
I'm not saying my costs are identical to a cleric or barb, though I have both and don't find my costs much lower. Consider that I'm burning 20-30% of my mana charm when I tank, very close to that of a cleric, with dew of god pots on every nasty boss pull or else the "death" costs for herc or me (not dissimilar to cleric death costs), but the game itself doesn't even give me enough drops to cover my REPAIR bill, plus I'm at the bottom of the distribution list unless I'm willing to sub? Why exactly am I motivated to do squad runs, when I can farm solo in 15-20 minutes, barely dent my charm, spare myself a herc death and then sell the mats and buy the ones I need without the time, hassle or expense of squad run? And I'm out no more subs than I would be if I subbed every run I needed for my mats.
I'm not QQing, just pointing out that since this system is not fair to me, I don't participate in it, and explaining why. I tried this system for my 60s, 70s, and 80s gear, and after night after night of TT losses and not getting closer to my gear, said forget it... I got my 90s gear in a fraction of the time and with lower costs. Besides, now with the new fangled genie skills...who needs a veno, eh?0 -
Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »Zoe, that's fine, but what happens when everyone needs the same mats? So I finish out my armor requiring antennas a lot sooner than the dds, finish my gear, and stop doing 2-3 runs. They replace me with another cleric who also needs antennas, and so on.
This!. For both cases of the Need system Zoe described, or the Barb>Cleric>DDs system. Barbs & Clerics get their mats they need 1st, & then (because of the high cost) dont want to go on squads anymore. You get different ones, and the same happens. Eventually you run out of clerics & Barbs who wanna go & you end up with "LF Barb & 2 Clerics for TT squad" groups of DDs, alot.
The systems were intended to give higher value to the Barbs & Clerics, with the (mis)assumption that they would use the extra money to compensate their expenses. Instead they use it to complete their armor & weapons 1st & stop going with cost being the complaint; "i'm too broke to afford a charm" & etc.
Even tho noone ever implements it, i think level or some other pre-agreed upon method should be used for 1st pick. I like level because the higher you get (closer to needing or further above & late & needing it) the more likely you will get what you need, & the lower levels will grow into it being "their time" later. But what about the higher expenses of the Barbs & Clerics? Thats where mirages & the typical few unneeded mats come into play. Do 1 or 2 rounds of mat drafts, then when left with 500-600k in mirages unneeded mats left, you distribute it to them by cost need, 300k to a BB cleric, 150k to a barb for repairs & 2nd non-BB cleric. Something where the extra costs are reimbursed as just that, extra costs, not excuses to GTFO of TT runs quicker.0 -
Alphae - Lost City wrote: »You can solve this problem by prioritizing by level + guild membership time. Therefore:
Same membership length: needs of L90 > needs of L80.
Slightly different membership length: generally, needs of longer member > shorter member, unless the shorter member is considerably higher level.
Considerably different membership length: Needs of longer member > needs of shorter member.
It's up to the leader/officers of the guild to make these rules and enforce them. I certainly don't mind coming to a higher level TT if those higher levels will help me later with my mats.
Except they likely won't. This system is ridiculous, it just promotes cronyism and corrupt practices regarding mats. Asking low levels (who likely outnumber the higher levels) to sacrifice for the promise of future help it's most likely a scam, and a gross injustice at best... People should do the runs with other people their level, who also need the mats, but since in many factions barbs/clerics must be at the disposal of higher levels, other classes get cheated out of a chance to get their own mats...
And i remember a time when some of us argued for barbs and clerics to receive their due. Try looking up the old threads and you'll find lenghty discussions about repairs and charm costs. And now the "usual" thing is barbs, then clerics pick first? Makes me sick, whatever happened to equality... I'd rather just get the mats from AH, at today's prices it's not even expensive.
This is an outrage, and i can't believe so many of you have become so conceited not to realize everyone's time is just as valuable as yours.0 -
Except they likely won't. This system is ridiculous, it just promotes cronyism and corrupt practices regarding mats. Asking low levels (who likely outnumber the higher levels) to sacrifice for the promise of future help it's most likely a scam, and a gross injustice at best... People should do the runs with other people their level, who also need the mats, but since in many factions barbs/clerics must be at the disposal of higher levels, other classes get cheated out of a chance to get their own mats...
And i remember a time when some of us argued for barbs and clerics to receive their due. Try looking up the old threads and you'll find lenghty discussions about repairs and charm costs. And now the "usual" thing is barbs, then clerics pick first? Makes me sick, whatever happened to equality... I'd rather just get the mats from AH, at today's prices it's not even expensive.
This is an outrage, and i can't believe so many of you have become so conceited not to realize everyone's time is just as valuable as yours.
prioritizing time in guild absolutely makes sense, (not levels). i've helped on lower lvl TT runs without asking for anything, only to have that guild member leave in a week. guild members need to prove their intention to stay and help build up the guild if other members have to help them on runs.
and when i used to run within faction, usually whoever needs the mat gets it...and if barb/cleric don't come away with adequate compensation, then the rest of the squad split the charm cost in coin. simple as that.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
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No one should do a run and get nothing. No one. If you volunteer that's your thing, but no one should ask you to. Not even for the leader's mother...0
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »^^ This ^^
Except, if you do not need it, it goes to the guild bank (HH90).
If not, generally in the runs I have been on everything is split as evenly as possible and about what you described if someone were to "call" a certain mat.
It gets interesting in 2-3 when someone is going for GX and wants Belial.....
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Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »Even tho noone ever implements it, i think level or some other pre-agreed upon method should be used for 1st pick. I like level because the higher you get (closer to needing or further above & late & needing it) the more likely you will get what you need, & the lower levels will grow into it being "their time" later. But what about the higher expenses of the Barbs & Clerics? Thats where mirages & the typical few unneeded mats come into play. Do 1 or 2 rounds of mat drafts, then when left with 500-600k in mirages unneeded mats left, you distribute it to them by cost need, 300k to a BB cleric, 150k to a barb for repairs & 2nd non-BB cleric. Something where the extra costs are reimbursed as just that, extra costs, not excuses to GTFO of TT runs quicker.
Although I've never seen it done, this system makes a lot of sense where everyone plays fair. Unfortunately you run into the issue of the high levels if they are smart are always going to choose the most expensive mats first and sell them for profit and then just buy the mats they need. This could of course be dealt with by the fact that everyone gets to do it eventually but it seems like something of a waste too.0 -
Alerean - Heavens Tear wrote: »Although I've never seen it done, this system makes a lot of sense where everyone plays fair. Unfortunately you run into the issue of the high levels if they are smart are always going to choose the most expensive mats first and sell them for profit and then just buy the mats they need.
Thats fine. I had "need" bite me in the **** for my TT80 stuff. I spent alot of time scrounging up cash to have my TT80 gear all ready before i turned 80. I skimped out on skills, still riding my level 30 **** flyer, & no ground mount. Basically all my money went to TT gear at the cost of everything else. Well then i'm doing TT80 (1-3/2-1/2-2) runs with ppl who had basically done the opposite of me, they had their skills & rides and other expenses done, but waited & begged for TT runs. These ppl all expected they should get the mats before me just because i planned ahead (for gear) and they hadnt. What makes their TT gear more important then my skills? Nothing. In the end all TT runs boil down to money, whether making it or not having to spend it. As far as i'm concerned there is no need, its all greed, and equal. So your final statement is appropriate.Alerean - Heavens Tear wrote: »This could of course be dealt with by the fact that everyone gets to do it eventually
Edit: p.s. The reason for the system i suggest, where everyone eventually gets to the top of the picking order isnt to avoid the 1st person getting the best pick. That cant be helped. Its to cycle everyone through being in that position, rather then it ALWAYS being the same people.0 -
This whole situation used to make me a little sad, but now I just grind the coin out or go without the items. I bought my TT 60 weapon, never had a 70 nor the armour, and don't have 80 (or any of the TT armour). That's just how it is for most of us 'useless' DD folks who aren't in the cool kid big factions, and most of the DD classes I talk to are as resigned to it as I am.
I don't get invited on TT's hardly ever unless I make the squad, and on the rare occasion I do get to go I have never, not once, been allowed to have a mat I actually needed (or even just wanted, maybe to make a souledge).
Run with friends you say? I've been ripped off by (former) friends, and come out of TT's with nothing but a repair bill many times. There's only one group of people I would trust to look after me fairly in a TT, but while they're great, I'm a few levels over them, so we aren't going to be doing the runs I would need for mats.
Split by need? I've had a veno once take 7 of 9 mat drops cos she "needed" them for her alts (and the rest of the squad was somehow ok with that), and this after her stupid herc died and wiped our party twice, cos the barb (her husband, naturally) was utterly incompetent. Actually, she fits on the "former friends" category too, as you can imagine.
Split by expenses? The last run I did where a lot of mats worth a decent amount dropped, I got... a mirage stone and a couple of klunky swords since "you don't have expenses". From 10 mat drops total.
Everything to faction bank? Suuure, good luck me getting 2 golden spirit out of there for a CH:S. You can make a wand with those, so that's a "we need that for clerics" mat and I'd certainly never see 'em.
And you already know how splitting by order goes, I'm last, and I get nothing of any use to me, if I'm even allowed anything at all other than mirages. Speak up, and I just get branded a whiner, so I don't even bother doing that anymore.
There's a lot of days I think I'll just go level up a veno like everyone else. Or maybe a barb.0 -
Back in November I got tired of people being short-sighted and 'needing' everything all at once. That is in addition to having the hassle of trying to form up groups with so few people of level to start getting TT70 gear. Eventually realized I had plenty of chips from daily cube runs, and just said **** it. Chipped my armor and weapons, and had gear as good as TT without any of the hassle. Stopped dealing with the headache known as TT.
So for anyone claiming a TT mat as something they 'need', when they aren't even lvl 90 yet; they are lieing. They are choosing to go the more expensive route, because of want. Especially with current chip prices, there no actually GOOD reason to think people must have TT gear.
As for 90+, split higher costs of tank/healer over DDs and have fair trade between eachother. Another thing to avoid, when someone 'just needs X more of this mat to finish their gear'. And they will likely stop going as well afterwards. There is no good reason someone should earn' more than their fair share. Maybe they are impatient kid, but no reasonable adult would try to get something more if they know they will get it anyways. Too many finish their gear off other peoples' kindness, just to switch to doing runs for their next piece. Anytime something breaks from equal when all people need the same thing, do not allow it and stop going on runs with that person.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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well maybe the drop rules arent nice for DDs but i have seen plenty of times you would get away with a good mat
1 TT2-1 run i did droped like 5 forshura's armor and 3 ape tooth
with 1 off our DDs leaving in the middle of feng all she got was some frenzy lion junk she needed
leaving 1 forshura for us all (even if she wouldnt have left DDs could have gotten a tooth) added that me and the subber got 1 forshura and 1 tooth but others got a nice middle price mat to
about people who need mats sorry but sub or prepare to not get what you want the subber-tank-cleric-others rule is just fine 1 mat at a time and not more then 1 that works against alot of QQ guild systems in my opinion no tyits impossible to always do the right thing we all make mistakes i am not different from that
just try to be a good person
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I dunno, tbh I'm usually happy with having my repair bill covered + a little profit. If I end up with even one TT mat of 200k+ worth that keeps me happy. Even if it's a big haul. I usually do TT for fun. Funnily enough I've rarely been asked on a TT outside of my faction.
That said I expect something. Klunky swords are not drops, they're trash and mirages are not of equal value to a mat. And if I'm running a TT with random people no one gets to keep a huge chunk of mats because they "need them" unless it's a friend, faction member or someone the party is specifically helping.0 -
AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »In my faction we do runs distribution as stated. Usually it goes subber/tank/cleric/DD's by level.
We use that picking method until we have our armor/weapon. Then we do by need. This way we get everyone what they need and then we can run for money.
Now with that being said its better for a DD to sub to get first pick if they want the chance to finish their gear faster.
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And besides that, we have a very close knit group of TTers that like to help each other out. I've seen top mats go to DD'ers or second clerics or whomever needs 'em. And if someone gets DC'd or has to leave, we'll save mats for them.
One of the plethora of reasons I love my faction. SOLDIER rocks![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »I got my TT80 gaive done and used 7 war drums from guild bank. Do you think it is a bad deal to give TT drops back to the guild bank if I do not need them? Why would I be in a guild if I did not feel it was important to help my fellow guildmates with their gear the same way they help me with mine?
Well said! Shows the true spirit of a faction/guild.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »I was factionless until lvl 67-68 or so. I joined a faction that offered me a spot because I thought it would be fun to have more people to talk to and people I might be able to help.
The faction I joined is the same one as a couple of the people posting here, that do TT runs for faction members in need - and they are great.
Even before I started trying to build my armor, I was joining TT runs just for the experience, and hoping I would be able to help the group. Now they are helping me gather mats for my gear, and I have been trying my best to help build up the bank to help others.
It's a great idea, and I'm glad to be part of it.
Nice to know that in this game where it seems like everyone is trying to $@#*& each other, that players can willingly help each other.
Making a TT run with friends is worth paying for the damage to *me*, but I always try to err on the side of my other squad members. It's just a good way to contribute.
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\still trying for that last Framework of Drum, argh
Same here. We do have a bank and get for all members who hits lvl60 a TT-Weapon. We dont ask them for donation, neither do we push them to pay us. Most of them run many TTs without us but donate items without asking to support lower lvls. Now we have even more in bank then we auctually need. So as reward i get them what they want 50% cheaper (two our great barbs got cala.axes for 1,5mil yesterday). If you dont trust the bank in your fact...then you must have your reasons...
All my old TT weapons with shards will be passed to lower lvls. If i need souledge i get mats from bank for it and create a new one. No shards wasted
So either you change your fact...or you just start to trust themIf i m trolling and spamming on forum...then i cant sleep and need a good laugh0 -
Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »Honestly, I do not like faction bank idea at all. Are you telling me that people in your faction are so honest, that none of them would get mats out of the bank and sell them in AH? That no one takes mats without contributing an equal amount?
I would say yes to the above. In a mature faction, that's what you get.As for the whole "only take what mats you need" thing....I've never gotten gear just from farming TT. At some point, you have to sell mats you don't need in order to buy the ones you do. Again, this goes back to the crux of the problem....How long could anyone realistically expect an antenna to stay in faction bank? Or even to get contributed there in the first place?
See above...Mature faction.And for those who don't have coins going into a TT run....yeah, it sucks that you're not getting any mats that run. But you will be getting a lot of coins for the next run. Given my example of 2 Forushura's Arms and 5 tails, that's about 5 mil in coins, low end, split 5 ways. Would you really complain about that?
I agree with the poster that says it defeats the purpose of the TT run in the first place. If one goes with a set squad and runs several TT runs with them, there's no reason to buy mats from each other or spend coin at all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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yeah I never took anything from TT runs. I just got mirages. I used NPC armour back then. I didn't need mats.
The Tank/cleric/veno/DD system works fine so far. Some will ask for a certain mat and if party wants to give it to them fine."Let's all be reasonable here. PWI hasn't fully kept their word about anything since the "Permanent" Charm Packs. This is just another example. We should be used to it by now." -Isala0 -
Nothing but barbs and clerics seem to be fine with this, really look up. Chips are too valuable to waste on TT70 stuff. TT is meant as the cheapest way to get gear, it shouldn't take more than a weekend to get most of it.
@Koltran, dude, there's no excuse for what hapened to you. This really is greed out of control, and completely the responsability of players.
@Everyone, Stand up, they can't force you to accept this. Lie, say you'll go along, then steal the mats. DDs can certainly PK barbs n clerics if they complaint, but even on pve servers, just lie and steal mats.
You should ALL do this, until everyone accepts the "USUAL" thing to be the EQUAL thing. Stop the Hogs, change your game for better, have fun doing it. Don't let barbs/clerics with this atitude anywhere near mats, drop out of factions that suport unfair mat distribution. PK till you get your way, carebears you... ks or something, spill the tea and steal cookies? This is a problem which exclusively concerns the playerbase so revolt and change it. Come on DDs you all know you would love to hear barbs/clerics qqing over this, don't stop till they agree to JUSTICE FOR ALL.0 -
Nothing but barbs and clerics seem to be fine with this, really look up.
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@Everyone, Stand up, they can't force you to accept this. Lie, say you'll go along, then steal the mats. DDs can certainly PK barbs n clerics if they complaint, but even on pve servers, just lie and steal mats.
You should ALL do this, until everyone accepts the "USUAL" thing to be the EQUAL thing. Stop the Hogs, change your game for better, have fun doing it. Don't let barbs/clerics with this atitude anywhere near mats, drop out of factions that suport unfair mat distribution. PK till you get your way, carebears you... ks or something, spill the tea and steal cookies? This is a problem which exclusively concerns the playerbase so revolt and change it. Come on DDs you all know you would love to hear barbs/clerics qqing over this, don't stop till they agree to JUSTICE FOR ALL.
While i dont really agree with the fact that barbs & clerics always get 1st picks (see the post on how i'd like it to wouk 1 page back). Its an unfortunately reality because the DDs cant stand up & revolt. Its a population issue. There are SO many more DDs then Barbs & Clerics, that when a DD says "no thanks" to a run, 5 others all raise their hands "can i go?" "i need that please?". Those poor DDs haven't had their spirit crushed yet. Yet how often do you see this scenario "2 DD & Veno need Barb & 2 Clerics for TTx-x & good to go!" Yes quite often. The DDs far out number the tanks and healers as those are the undesireable jobs. Of course then you hear "Well you can roll a barb to!". /facepalm. Of course thats not a porper solution because the DD doesnt want to be a Tank, he wants to be a DD. But then, while DD is more fun to play, it has the unfortunate downside of not being nearly as hard to find, and thereby much more replaceable, & that means they cant put their foot down or they get shown the door.
p.s. Mat stealing? While i completely agree with your frustration, any type of mat stealing would & should get you blacklisted from all TT runs. If you dont like the rules of the run, dont sit through the whole run. If you chose to sit through it & pray, be prepared to be dissappointed. Not saying i like that, its just, the reality of it.0 -
This general rule of barb>cleric>dd by level concept is completely absurd. In a proper 2-3 run, a single barb tanking results in an rough estimate of 75k repair bill. A cleric results in roughly half a gold mp charm. Of course you can have a second cleric to ease expenses, but the point is that barbs and their barb complex* picking before clerics is ridiculous.
*Barb complex - barbs have this tendency to think that they are be all end all and without them no one can get anything done; arrogant, conceited, egocentric, cocky, etc.. The game isn't 100% designed for solo play, success in just about every aspect is achieved through teamwork.
Might I say something? ANY other class can make money through grinding. I can't! While I make 200k of DQs I have to pay 100k for repairs. Also If I'm soloing I just level up soooo slowly It's pathetic. Plus, I'm a rarity! So, peace out! I have a Barb complex b:pleasedLike they say in my country:
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gl with a revolt not enough people read these forums and as stated before DDs are replacableb:laugh
yes i got a litle bit of the barb complexits impossible to always do the right thing we all make mistakes i am not different from that
just try to be a good person
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Nothing but barbs and clerics seem to be fine with this, really look up. Chips are too valuable to waste on TT70 stuff. TT is meant as the cheapest way to get gear, it shouldn't take more than a weekend to get most of it.
@Koltran, dude, there's no excuse for what hapened to you. This really is greed out of control, and completely the responsability of players.
@Everyone, Stand up, they can't force you to accept this. Lie, say you'll go along, then steal the mats. DDs can certainly PK barbs n clerics if they complaint, but even on pve servers, just lie and steal mats.
You should ALL do this, until everyone accepts the "USUAL" thing to be the EQUAL thing. Stop the Hogs, change your game for better, have fun doing it. Don't let barbs/clerics with this atitude anywhere near mats, drop out of factions that suport unfair mat distribution. PK till you get your way, carebears you... ks or something, spill the tea and steal cookies? This is a problem which exclusively concerns the playerbase so revolt and change it. Come on DDs you all know you would love to hear barbs/clerics qqing over this, don't stop till they agree to JUSTICE FOR ALL.
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RedMenaceA human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »p.s. Mat stealing? While i completely agree with your frustration, any type of mat stealing would & should get you blacklisted from all TT runs. If you dont like the rules of the run, dont sit through the whole run. If you chose to sit through it & pray, be prepared to be dissappointed. Not saying i like that, its just, the reality of it.
Things used to be diferent, as i've said, it used to be the barbs/clerics qqing... the status quo CAN change. And besides, you've got nothing to loose, blacklisted by the people hogging mats? yea, that's gonna hurt... THIS IS A GAME. It's meant to be fun. Someone walking out of TT with 1mil+ drops while you're stuck with repair bills can't be fun for anyone... If you're going to be stuck paying AH prices for your gear might as well have some fun in the process. DDS should all steal from barbs, this pecking order thing has to stop.Danikovich - Heavens Tear wrote: »Might I say something? ANY other class can make money through grinding. I can't! While I make 200k of DQs I have to pay 100k for repairs. Also If I'm soloing I just level up soooo slowly It's pathetic. Plus, I'm a rarity! So, peace out! I have a Barb complex b:pleased
Learn to play your class, if you think being "rare" afords you anything then you really got it wrong... People should play a class because they like it, not because 12 year olds are more likely to squad you...Barbariankev - Heavens Tear wrote: »gl with a revolt not enough people read these forums and as stated before DDs are replacableb:laugh
yes i got a litle bit of the barb complex
What, scared someone's "rocking the boat"? No, a "revolt" isn't coming... but i'd really love to see you nerdraging if someone does actually steal anything from you. You have it coming man.0
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