At long last, lev 80 as a FAC

Slake - Lost City · August 2009

ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You talking crit or normal hit? Don't forget, we get a X-mas blessing in our lev 80 stash, that helps a great deal. As to the numbers, I'd have to post a screenie 'cause I'm not a statistics fan.

Just the highest hit (which is most likely a crit) you have ever done. That includes bm dragon and your own debuff, etc etc. Im interested, do you steal aggro much too?

Vorawrcious - Harshlands · August 2009

I'm a FAB = Full Attack Barbarian = All strength and dex no vit build and only get none tiger skills. You FAC's got nothing on FAB like me. I'm FABulous

Zorish - Harshlands · August 2009

MY point about the other post is that you should make VERY clear that youre making your own build.
Calling it FAC will automatically pop up our memory of Mr Cayeons Guide, which had a very limited build in mind, not wanting to lvl rez or any heal to avoid being secondary healer.

I DO respect your build, and your way of playing the game. It is also true that you will be losing a lot of content, at least TW and PvP wont be very possible unless you refine like crazy.

Even if you can do good DPS, you wont find many ppl wanting a cleric DD in some rebirth order (excellent xp) or even HH. Ppl generally dont like new stuffs or old named stuffs that make them remember failed builds.

Newtestament - Heavens Tear · August 2009

i was jus wondering, if somehow u were givin the sp and coin for free to lvl ur heals, wud you do it?? or r wud u reject it just for the sake of saying that u are a "FAC"?

ps. i think full mag build/fac can only be a threat with GREAT gear. i was like full mag(not fac cus i lvled other spells) build till 69 and i had around like 2.4k hp. and my gear was good at best imo. nothing crazy. and with great gear im talkin bout those rich ppl with like all 3-4socs,beaut/flawless/immacs/perfect shards in their like +4-5 gear lol.

im vit build now, but im not gonna lie, i miss being full mag. i miss the power lol. i can only imagine how much dmg my weild thunder or tempest wud do when i get my tt80 gear if i was full mag. (im goin with yaksa btw) but i perfer vit build for the survivability. (also helps alot with bosses in tt). But for now i still hit pretty hard at 48XX-49XX(cleric mag buffed) with 3.6k hp(unbuffed) and 2714 pdef(cleric def buff)

ExELFine - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Hi, thanks again for your input

Zorish wrote:

MY point about the other post is that you should make VERY clear that youre making your own build.

I never fail, whenever I join a faction or a squad: no misunderstanding about it. Most of the players are willing to take a chance and, as of late, have been very pleased with the results. Provided, of course, that there are other clerics present in the squad and that we share our plans.

Calling it FAC will automatically pop up our memory of Mr Cayeons Guide, which had a very limited build in mind, not wanting to lvl rez or any heal to avoid being secondary healer.

Agreed. When I first started to play PWI, I wanted to build a cleric but not a healer, for in other MMORPG's, I've had the healer role too often and was already fed up with other players' abuse and I decided I would be a cleric, without anyone ordering me around. That's when I found Cayeon's guide and was very grateful for it. On a side note, you will remember that he was willing to act as secondary healer, but not primary.

His insightful guide does not take into account all the novelties now implemented in the game (including genies), nor is it complete, for Cayeon left the game at lev 83... I really wonder why. But it is pretty interesting in that it works pretty good, with a few modifications. Again, I'm grateful to the player Cayeon for taking the time to write it all down for us to try.

I DO respect your build, and your way of playing the game. It is also true that you will be losing a lot of content, at least TW and PvP wont be very possible unless you refine like crazy.

I joined TW's as early as lev 60 and really enjoyed it. But I have yet to find a faction that knows about organization. So far, in the factions I've hopped into, TW's only means "kill, kill, kill" which is utterly stupid: no strategy, no planning and... no result. I won't think as a healer, but if I'm needed to buff, I'll be happy too. I'm not as stupid as to not knowing my strengths and role in a party, far from that.

For instance, if there are other clerics in a squad, I will support them but I'll be happy to partake in the DD, being careful not to out-damage them so as not to steal aggro: that's support too. I will also RB, which is another way to help the squad, esp as proven tonight in FF where we encountered a lot of mobs and bosses. RB does help.

Even if you can do good DPS, you wont find many ppl wanting a cleric DD in some rebirth order (excellent xp) or even HH. Ppl generally dont like new stuffs or old named stuffs that make them remember failed builds.

Rebirths are strict on everyone's role, I agree. Clerics NEED Blue Bubble, else it's party swipe. Therefore, I do not join rebirth parties.

I don't know whom you referring to as "people" but most of the ones I've joined in parties or factions are willing to give me a chance and end up quite pleased with the results. The only ones who have shown scorn and frustration are those who hated to see their charms ticking and would not forgive me for same. So far, I've never encountered a party swipe, even with the most unruly squads in TT's or even in FB's and it's been a lot of fun, as long as everyone adjusts to the playing style of other players. Greedies are another matter.

NewTestament wrote:

i was jus wondering, if somehow u were givin the sp and coin for free to lvl ur heals, wud you do it?? or r wud u reject it just for the sake of saying that u are a "FAC"?

I have been offered coins to upgrade my rez, and I refused. As for sp, I don't think there's a way of transferring it. I declined the offer simply because it did not agree with my playing style

ps. i think full mag build/fac can only be a threat with GREAT gear. i was like full mag(not fac cus i lvled other spells) build till 69 and i had around like 2.4k hp. and my gear was good at best imo. nothing crazy. and with great gear im talkin bout those rich ppl with like all 3-4socs,beaut/flawless/immacs/perfect shards in their like +4-5 gear lol.

That's right. Shards are our best friends

im vit build now, but im not gonna lie, i miss being full mag. i miss the power lol. i can only imagine how much dmg my weild thunder or tempest wud do when i get my tt80 gear if i was full mag. (im goin with yaksa btw) but i perfer vit build for the survivability. (also helps alot with bosses in tt). But for now i still hit pretty hard at 48XX-49XX(cleric mag buffed) with 3.6k hp(unbuffed) and 2714 pdef(cleric def buff)

Hybrid clerics are awesome, and I've been very often tempted myself to restat my whole build for the sake of survivability, but I'm taking this char to the limit of common sense,hehe... and you know what? I'm not the only one. Other FACs are loners, just like me and they too are awesome.

Just to give you an idea of my actual build:

- Phys attack: 404 - 487
- Magic attack: 5204 - 5275
- Crit: 2%

- Phys Defense: 1393
- Element resist. (all except metal): 7140
- Metal Resistance: 7974

HP: 1840
MP: 7950

I love it.

I'm sure there are better FAC's out there, or better Healers, and there are worse too, but so far, I'm pretty happy with myself and the way the whole game unfolds. What more to ask?

b:pleased

ilystah · August 2009

Name is only given to build that do not fall into the category of pre-existing name, or it have something special that other build in in the same category do not have. That is why you see axe bm, fist bm, etc build but never earth wizard, water wizard, etc. This rule apply here to.

FAC fall into full magic category, and there is nothing it is more special than a normal full magic cleric that max all skill, but it is worst. If it is not possible to have all skill due to the lack of spirit, then FAC can have a name for itself to distinguish between those who level different skill instead, however this is not the case. Your post even stated that you don't even Revive even without spirit and money restriction. Therefore your version of FAC don't deserve a name for itself. At most it can be called a gimped full magic cleric.

Just an analogy, there are different type of doctor because human can't possibly study all aspect of health. But a physician that refuse to study about muscle despite having the ability to is not going to be called a full bone physician, she is just called an unqualified physician.

Heck, let's make a full magic cleric then never get a single skill and call him a fancy name of "Full Plume Shot Cleric".

Hsuzumiya - Sanctuary · August 2009

Opaline - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't understand.
Isn't leveling as a FAC easier than leveling any other type of cleric?

Gl surviving RB's with no HP,

Best way to get Exp Imo,

3hrs for 1.5mil + coin, mirages, and gems

ExELFine - Heavens Tear · August 2009

ilystah wrote: »

Name is only given to build that do not fall into the category of pre-existing name, or it have something special that other build in in the same category do not have. That is why you see axe bm, fist bm, etc build but never earth wizard, water wizard, etc. This rule apply here to.

FAC fall into full magic category, and there is nothing it is more special than a normal full magic cleric that max all skill, but it is worst. If it is not possible to have all skill due to the lack of spirit, then FAC can have a name for itself to distinguish between those who level different skill instead, however this is not the case. Your post even stated that you don't even Revive even without spirit and money restriction. Therefore your version of FAC don't deserve a name for itself. At most it can be called a gimped full magic cleric.

Just an analogy, there are different type of doctor because human can't possibly study all aspect of health. But a physician that refuse to study about muscle despite having the ability to is not going to be called a full bone physician, she is just called an unqualified physician.

Heck, let's make a full magic cleric then never get a single skill and call him a fancy name of "Full Plume Shot Cleric".

A perfect example of The Art of Saying Nothing in 100+ words, you should write a book. b:chuckle

The message I'm getting from most of you is that a player building a different type of character is hurting YOU more than it's hurting me and I can only laugh at your ignorance.

In PVE instances, the purpose of the Fulll Attack Cleric is NOT to out-damage the other DDs but rather to support them. As I stated earlier, if I do more damage to a boss than the Archer, or the Wizard or even the Barb, the boss will turn against ME instead of attacking the tanker and I'll be dead within seconds, which will not help my team in the least.

In PVP, a Full Attack Cleric with maxed stuns, debuffs and nukes can kill within seconds.

As to the Ironheart skill, it is obvious that it needs to be maxed from the start for self-preservation between shots.

Torsay - Sanctuary · August 2009

.....grats

ilystah · August 2009

An example of midunderstanding every single point in a post with only 100 word, you should write an encyclopedia.
I wrote a long post because I want to give justification for my conclusion, otherwise it would be only 1 sentence.
I could clarify what I said, but I find it no longer necessary as someone else have stated it in the FAC thread (although without the argument):
"FAC is not a build, it is a style of play"
and you already reply to that.

Alyyy - Sanctuary · August 2009

ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »

nor do I give a darn about what everyone else says

wait,.....why did u post this then?b:faint

and u ahve less hp then me 0.o......

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

Vorawrcious - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm a FAB = Full Attack Barbarian = All strength and dex no vit build and only get none tiger skills. You FAC's got nothing on FAB like me. I'm FABulous

i LOL at this ^

she has less Hp than me O.o
2.8k HP
ALL MAG NO VIT
with a teeny bit of dex and strb:cute

Kyna - Lost City · August 2009

O.o Jesus, My cleric is level 68 and has more hp than that. I'd think that if you were going for an attack style of play you would spec more hp but that's just my thought. My cleric is a vitality/arcane build and, well... she relies on her heals and defensive spells to even be good with any kind of attack. If your main job is to attack and you don't last very long because of your hp and your extremely low defense....

No point in having ALL that attack power if you can be one shotted so easy >_> I notice that you also wear arcane. Then again, you're not on a PvP server and don't have to worry about being one shotted I guess.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

well as a pure wizard
she is at the point in time where everything is easy to be pure magic
i doubt she will have much trouble leveling (besides tedious amounts of grinding) If she makes it to lvl 90 and gets TT90 green she would definetely be a force to be reckoned with

ALL MAG NO VIT
with a teeny bit of dex and strb:cute

ExELFine - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Hope you all had a nice week-end of BH'ing and TT'ing

Kyna wrote:

My cleric is level 68 and has more hp than that. I'd think that if you were going for an attack style of play you would spec more hp but that's just my thought.

No point in having ALL that attack power if you can be one shotted so easy >_> I notice that you also wear arcane. Then again, you're not on a PvP server and don't have to worry about being one shotted I guess.

The idea of a Full Attack Cleric is to NOT let anyone get near me, but to freeze and debuff them to make sure they stay out of my way... then, nuke them to death. What little HP I have, I protect with Phys Def shards, I don't really need to add more HP.

That being said, it also means that I act as secondary healer by... spam-healing when I'm needed, because I can. Why would I refuse myself and others the privilege? While the primary healer BB's, I RB or DD, as needed by the team, with good results.

While doing the 3 bosses in Swamp last night, I discovered one of my crit hits was 19K... hey hey hey, even I was surprised!

Mizuoni wrote:

she is at the point in time where everything is easy to be pure magic
i doubt she will have much trouble leveling (besides tedious amounts of grinding) If she makes it to lvl 90 and gets TT90 green she would definetely be a force to be reckoned with

Let's say, everything is not easy, but a bit easier than the hard road up to now. And yes, I do intend to make it to lev 90 and beyond and get TT90 right-sharded equipment and then, the fun will really begin

ALL MAG NO VIT
with a teeny bit of dex and str

More STR (50) than DEX (10).

Have a nice week all.

b:pleased

Catriona - Lost City · August 2009

And my level 68 cleric has critted for 16k before without debuffing, so your point is? Also, when even in full attack mode... stuns and debuffs aren't always enough and then what? o.o You just die in one quick shot. I honestly don't see how an "FAC" is better in any area in the end.

Buuut if that's how you want to play suit yourself....

woyaa · August 2009

Roll A Mage

Jer - Dreamweaver · August 2009

im a level 66 Cleric and i have the same build as her and i critical 20,000 sometimes

RedsRose - Lost City · August 2009

Jer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im a level 66 Cleric and i have the same build as her and i critical 20,000 sometimes

SS please b:thanks

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

Jer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im a level 66 Cleric and i have the same build as her and i critical 20,000 sometimes

PHAIL
my first 20k crit was at lvl 59
around lvl 66 i started making 25k+ crits
now im making 30k+crits
and when i get my TT 80 im aiming for 35k+

P.S. the 20k was a lvl 1 skill b:cute

Tamaguchi - Harshlands · August 2009

Um...lawls? Where are you pulling these numbers from? As lvl 80+ Cleric, I have 5.3k - 7.1k M attack. On average, with plume shot or cyclone, its a 8-12k crit, with weild thunder somwhere like 14k or so. Debuffed mob with -mdef and genie skill Extreme Poison with double spark is when I do 35k or about 40k on a wood mob. Normal 35k crits? Yeah right...plus when it comes to pvp, you don't do 20k crits. Plus unless you are a LA cleric you wont crit that much, but even if you are a LA cleric your m attack blows.

ChronicDose - Harshlands · August 2009

haha Tama, its true my Magic attack does kinda suck compared to full Mag, but I have 3.1khp unbuffed(No Vit) with -12 channeling, (or 3.4k hp unbuffed and 400more pdef for my pdef build, -6 chan)

With cleric buffs and BM
62%reduction of dmg on both Physical and All magical,
7% crit, soon to be 8%

I dunno its all about style of play and your gear, I have the same mag attack as any who went 6 Mag - 2 Str - 2vit (Vit Mag) and I have yet to meet a cleric with 50-70 vit who has more hp then me my level anyways.

If you want to play: Kill or be killed, roll Full Mag, high defense against Magic attack(i.e. Mage, Veno...Cleric)
If you want to play: Support, decently high resist against Physical attack (I.e. 4 1/2 out of the 6 classes: Barb, Archer, BM, Cleric, and also Veno's pet) survivability and good team based support skills, roll an LA and be ready to spend coin on Shards and Refines

My highest crit so far was ~30k, advance sparked extreme poison.

I dont think that is so bad, I often get 3k crits on players

To Tama- Camui will pay you back today/very soon, can I get that Mil

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

Tamaguchi - Harshlands wrote: »

Um...lawls? Where are you pulling these numbers from? As lvl 80+ Cleric, I have 5.3k - 7.1k M attack. On average, with plume shot or cyclone, its a 8-12k crit, with weild thunder somwhere like 14k or so. Debuffed mob with -mdef and genie skill Extreme Poison with double spark is when I do 35k or about 40k on a wood mob. Normal 35k crits? Yeah right...plus when it comes to pvp, you don't do 20k crits. Plus unless you are a LA cleric you wont crit that much, but even if you are a LA cleric your m attack blows.

wow O.o
i crit that much on TT bosses
i **** normal mobs
i remember grinding on the dragonmaids and critting 19k+
and im LA :O
maybe its cause im a mage b:cute
in pvp i crit heavy armor classes for 3k-7k

ChronicDose - Harshlands wrote: »

haha Tama, its true my Magic attack does kinda suck compared to full Mag, but I have 3.1khp unbuffed(No Vit) with -12 channeling, (or 3.4k hp unbuffed and 400more pdef for my pdef build, -6 chan)

With cleric buffs and BM
62%reduction of dmg on both Physical and All magical,
7% crit, soon to be 8%

I dunno its all about style of play and your gear, I have the same mag attack as any who went 6 Mag - 2 Str - 2vit (Vit Mag) and I have yet to meet a cleric with 50-70 vit who has more hp then me my level anyways.

If you want to play: Kill or be killed, roll Full Mag, high defense against Magic attack(i.e. Mage, Veno...Cleric)
If you want to play: Support, decently high resist against Physical attack (I.e. 4 1/2 out of the 6 classes: Barb, Archer, BM, Cleric, and also Veno's pet) survivability and good team based support skills, roll an LA and be ready to spend coin on Shards and Refines

My highest crit so far was ~30k, advance sparked extreme poison.

I dont think that is so bad, I often get 3k crits on players

To Tama- Camui will pay you back today/very soon, can I get that Mil

9% crit FTW
its almost 10% b:cute

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · August 2009

*sniffs out a non cleric*
...sniff sniff

Slake - Lost City · August 2009

Im LA..... (well i have been adding mag since lvl 79, but still)

I have a +4 weap with only 1 g6 shard.....

and this is what I did to a miniboss in fb 69 with lvl 9 wield thunder the other day ( only the middle hit is a crit)

http://i32.tinypic.com/oqdowp.jpg

It was dragoned and cleric debuffed, I just wish there was an archer and a veno to debuff as well :P

ExELFine - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Very refreshing to hear from everyone, even from non-clerics.

I mentioned a 19K crit 'cause even I was surprised after noticing it, I usually don't pay attention as I'm busy checking my HP bar.

I only wish I don't out-damage any tanker at boss, I hate taking aggro.

b:shocked

I agree with the many of you who mentioned that it's more the playing style that is interesting than the build, but still, I don't consider myself as having pushed the limits of the attack cleric as yet.

A few weeks ago, I was grinding some mobs (the palm-tree looking ones) then I had to stop for a few minutes just to watch another cleric doing a tremendous job in AoE'ing a bunch of mobs (petallis I think they were)... just gathering half a dozen around her and casting one AoE, killing them all in one shot. I thought it was spectacular and really enjoyed the show, as she was soloing her way through that area.

Clerics rock, whatever build

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Very refreshing to hear from everyone, even from non-clerics.

I mentioned a 19K crit 'cause even I was surprised after noticing it, I usually don't pay attention as I'm busy checking my HP bar.

I only wish I don't out-damage any tanker at boss, I hate taking aggro.

b:shocked

I agree with the many of you who mentioned that it's more the playing style that is interesting than the build, but still, I don't consider myself as having pushed the limits of the attack cleric as yet.

A few weeks ago, I was grinding some mobs (the palm-tree looking ones) then I had to stop for a few minutes just to watch another cleric doing a tremendous job in AoE'ing a bunch of mobs (petallis I think they were)... just gathering half a dozen around her and casting one AoE, killing them all in one shot. I thought it was spectacular and really enjoyed the show, as she was soloing her way through that area.

Clerics rock, whatever build

what about teh wizzy b:sad
without wizzy there would be no such thing as FAC b:cute

Euphy - Dreamweaver · August 2009

Congrats on level 80 Exelfine!

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh, Mr.Wizard? You leveled your dinky Morning Dew heal? Sorry, you're not a FAW.
Oh, Mr.Blademaster? Your genie has Tree of Protection Lv.10?! Cool, but are you a FABM?
Oh, Ms.Venomancer? You just healed your pet!!!! You're so not a FAV!

Who cares, she made lv.80 and is celebrating! Congrats Exelfine!

im not a full attack wizard b:sadb:cryb:surrender

Mad_Doc - Sanctuary · August 2009

ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Very refreshing to hear from everyone, even from non-clerics.

I mentioned a 19K crit 'cause even I was surprised after noticing it, I usually don't pay attention as I'm busy checking my HP bar.

I only wish I don't out-damage any tanker at boss, I hate taking aggro.

b:shocked

I agree with the many of you who mentioned that it's more the playing style that is interesting than the build, but still, I don't consider myself as having pushed the limits of the attack cleric as yet.

A few weeks ago, I was grinding some mobs (the palm-tree looking ones) then I had to stop for a few minutes just to watch another cleric doing a tremendous job in AoE'ing a bunch of mobs (petallis I think they were)... just gathering half a dozen around her and casting one AoE, killing them all in one shot. I thought it was spectacular and really enjoyed the show, as she was soloing her way through that area.

Clerics rock, whatever build

I can tell you this... she can't do that aoe by being FAC. Her iron heart would have to be maxed and her purify has to be high lvl. Otherwise the wood DoT from the palm trees would kill her. How do I know this? Cause I used to do that type of aoe grinding too till rb gamma rolls around b:cute

At long last, lev 80 as a FAC

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