Charging for Ressurection

Okay I'm a low level cleric w/out Res yet but this is what I saw on my way (flying) to Archosaur.

I saw a Cleric solo on some monsters. He had low health He was running away from some monsters. Random Blademaster in the area comes by and kills the monster and helps the Cleric.

Then out of no where the Blademaster died from a monster whos agro he drew on his way to save the Cleric.

So the Cleric Revived him.

My opinion?

Is it our job to Res everyone for free? No, we have no obligation.
Is it nice to do so? YES!!!

Should we if they helped us out? Def.

Being pigeonholed into a role is a common problem that everyone eventually has to face. Clerics are expected to heal and res, Barbarians, to tank, Venomancers, to lure. ETC. Do all of us play the way that we are expected? Absolutely not. I play every class in this game, and usually end up soloing everything on my own. Even as the "SOLO" classes, it's still hard going, so I usually jump at a chance to help someone. If I see someone killing the same mobs as I am, I usually walk up and ask them if they need some help. Whether yes or no, it saves me hassle later. If yes, I've just cut down the amount of work I have to do. If no, then I know to leave them to their own devices and let them be.

As for the discussion at hand... I play a support cleric. I heal. It's what I've designed her for, and the thing I enjoy doing best. Can she survive on her own? Yes. But it costs me a fortune in pots, and hours of farming to get the apothecary materials needed so that I can keep up my HP and MP. Not to mention the fact that if I get swarmed, I'm toast anyway. So, no matter where I am I heal or buff random people. About half ignore me. The other half thank me and ask what I'm doing. At which point, we start talking, and most often end up in a party. A lot of times, I end up with a new friend, or even a new faction partner. Either way, I still end up with my quest done, or even the next several. If I went around charging for my spells, nobody would even give me a second glance. And, while I don't go flying over the entire world for non friends/faction, I do try to res anyone who is dead, even without being asked. Being whined at and chewed on for not doing it fast enough for them does kind of annoy me. If you start to badmouth me because I'm having problems finding your dead corpse, then for all I care, you can just stay dead. You're not the kind of person I'd want to party with anyway. I won't charge you for a revive. I just won't revive you, and continue on my merry way to find someone that does appreciate the role that I can fill for them. Because somewhere out there is someone who does need my help, and will appreciate me for it. And those are the kind of people that will cover my butt better than those who just want to use it.

Way I figure it. If you want to charge, then charge. If not, then don't. I for one wouldn't ever do it, nor would I pay for one. It's just not my style. But you better believe that once I'm alive again, I WILL return the favor somehow.

When I wrote that I jump in and help people I meant that I cast healing on them so that they can kill the monster themselves. I never, deliberately, attack a monster someone else is fighting unless they ask for help.

On a couple of occasions healing another player has cost me all my MP! I don't mind this as it's a real adrenaline rush keeping someone alive when they are clearly outmatched, and to see them win in the end.

LostInfo - Sanctuary wrote: »

When I wrote that I jump in and help people I meant that I cast healing on them so that they can kill the monster themselves. I never, deliberately, attack a monster someone else is fighting unless they ask for help.

On a couple of occasions healing another player has cost me all my MP! I don't mind this as it's a real adrenaline rush keeping someone alive when they are clearly outmatched, and to see them win in the end.

For me it's just as exciting to kill a mob myself as it is to keep someone alive while they are battling for their life. It's a rush. Maybe that sounds stupid or strange to someone else... but it's my rush.

Here lately, I've found myself assisting other clerics on the same quests as I. And although I haven't been playing all that long, the fighting styles of these clerics is way more rash and brash than they can handle and I end up rez-ing them or healing them more than I'm killing. I even shared my mp pots when one used all of her's. Yes, that should annoy me, and maybe it's because I'm slightly older than the average player, but I just feel that healing and saving dead butts is my job.

Call me when you need me! b:victory

be nice clericb:thanks but if ur LC KOS's r fun :Db:angry

Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Boo...Shame on you!

Should i charge to cast Lending Hand?

b:angry

You give away your spark to random people you don't know? wow you're nice.

Well i share the same sentiments with the above poster.
I have never or asked to charge a fee for reviving.
Well the revived person's gratefulness and the fact that i saved someone's time is reward enough for me.
Initially i was comprehensive about adding more levels of Res as i would probably use it like twice in 6-7 hours of play
But after witnessing 1st hand the sheer joy(okay its pretty corny here but thats just me=)) of losing like 0.5% exp instead of 3% when a fellow cleric res-ed me, i felt i should not hold back on such a useful community skill.
So i added it all the way up and probably brought smiles to many players who lay dead due to bad luck ,DC ,being ambushed blah blah.

But to each his/her own. If you want to charge, go ahead. There is nothing morally wrong in that. Its just that im not a materialistic person and that translates into the pixel world.

Good day friends=)

When I needed to kill Jewelscalen, I ended up having to pay a barb to come tank it. All the arguments about how I should be going off and ressing people for free apply equally well to him - he should be tanking for free, shouldn't he?

Well - no - we were strangers, and across the map from each other originally.

I res

* people in my squad. always.
* people in my friends list who whisper for a res and are within twenty minutes of my location
* guildies who ask in guildchat for res and are within ten minutes of my location
* people who worldchat for res and are within two minutes of my location
* random bodies I stumble across in the wilderness
* people who pay me to teleport to their location

...but I just will not drop what I'm doing and fly across the map to res people. and I generally won't stop to res anyone I can't immediately click on if I'm grinding on an xp scroll (though I tell them "if you're still dead in 20 minutes, I can go there").

If I dropped everything, all the time, for any request to res, I'd be spending my entire game in transit to the next person who refuses to pay for dolls (and generally I feel: more shame them for not thinking to cover their own posteriors)

And somehow, just somehow, I manage to live with myself.

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on a side note: when someone I'm partied with makes an _absolutely stupid boneheaded move_ and gets us party wiped and I have to spend a res scroll on myself to wake up and res everyone else, I charge the dummy the cost of the scroll (this isn't the case in every party wipe, of course. I recognize the difference between "oops" and "LEEEROY JENNNKINS")

lol if someone did that i would charge res to him too xDD

I dont like the idea of charging for a rez. We happen to be the only class to have a rez ability and it's very usefull to have. I rez people who ask if they're close by, friends and guildies. I will not, however, fly across the map to do it. If it's going to take me 20minutes of flying to get there then just respawn. Teleporting around works but that gets expensive. Teleport there, teleport back to what i was doing, thats easily 10-20k.

So maybe not get paid for rezzing, but compensated for the teleporting cost seems fair. Because i'm not flying 20minutes to rez someone. You died that far away, respawn, like i have to. If you're close by or want to pay my teleportation bill, then i dont have a problem b:bye

Kaenor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The idea is a bad joke, if you want to charge for res, reconsider to play some offline games. If you dont want to help, just ignore ppls. And the teleport fee, if i help someone, i ignore the fees, becouse i go to help, maybe they can help me in the future.

that must be nice to be able to ignore the tele fee's mr lvl 70. At lvl 38 with a net worth of 100k, teleporting around and spending 10k here and 20k here would leave me broke and unable to raise any skills or repair armor. There's helping people and then there's just not fair. So teleporting halfway around the world to save someone some xp while spending 1/4 of all my money just isn't going to happen for now. Maybe later we have enough money to throw it away without care b:pleased

Kaenor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Being nice/friendly is not level related, and clerics have wings at lv1 w/o mana consuption.

My wings have a speed of +0 to them. If i have to fly 10minutes to rez someone i dont even know, then 10minutes back to what i was doing, i'm not going to do that. If it's a friend or guildie i'll be right there. But i'm sorry, random person 20minutes away is not for me.

Faustinna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My wings have a speed of +0 to them. If i have to fly 10minutes to rez someone i dont even know, then 10minutes back to what i was doing, i'm not going to do that. If it's a friend or guildie i'll be right there. But i'm sorry, random person 20minutes away is not for me.

No one said, fly half across the map for some unkown and res, him.
But for ppl near you, and i dont find that as some big problem.
I res, they say "thnx, need help", and of we go b:laugh

I've had an idea floating around my head for a while. No chance of it being implimented since the Devs dont pay attention to these threads, but i'd still be curious what people think of it.

What if Clerics got a new ability, but its one of those need lvl 10 in a prior skill (ressurect) to get it. That would be Re-raise (for lack of a better name, using the FFXI name). They can pre-buff themself (make it self only) and in effect automatically give themself the max level raise should they die have a cool down of 30 minutes so its not overly abused. What i think this would do, is
(1) Give clerics a reason to want to level their raise to 10. It would give them a benefit, whether soloing or in a party from their own raise level.
(2) Not only that, but in party whipes in dungeons, they dont have to be the one to go all the way back to town and run back to raise everyone else, while they alone lost the large chunk of Exp that noone else did.
(3) I'd be fine if clerics were the only ones who had the ability to get up and save XP on their own (without a 50k rez scroll & 30k guardian angel).

Keep in mind i don't even have a cleric levelled, so this is in no way biased to try and give me something, but rather trying to consider that Ressurect is the one ability they never receive any benefit in levelling it beyond level 1.

I have no problems to resurect people that are in my current area. A cleric is made for that. I don't charge for it.

But ...

It is true that cleric need to spend a lot of coins and SP to raise a skill that they will NEVER use for themselves.

I think that charging any type of fee to other players for a res is not a solution.

IMHO the best way would be to implement some lines of code allowing the cleric to gain some amount of XP and SP for every res they make. I know that it could (and probably will) lead to "res farming" and in some extend an abuse of the XP system but this could be compensated by only allowing a certain number of "XP/SP gain res" within an hour, the other res gaining nothing.

these are my 2 cents.