Charging for Ressurection

Point of view of cleric: perfectly fair, you did spend a crapload of spirit and gold on a skill that will in no way shape or form benefit you ever, only the people who are revived by you gain any benefit at all from what you spent

Point of view from a dead barbarian: WTF, that jackass wants to charge me to do what his class does naturally? Not unless he is going to pay my armor bill after the next FB run.


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In summery, yes it is reasonable and not really being an *******. However, most people will still think you are one, and to be honest, since you can't trade until after the person is alive, 95% are going to just run off with the res.

Why would you charge for this.

Resurection, though a costly skill, doesn't use mats or stones or whatever to cast.

Why did you make a priest in the first place?

To save money? To make money? b:laughb:laugh

naw, it was to help people, because you liked support, or, ionno, maybe you liked blowing stuff up, but enjoyed your heal too.

I think charging would just make the community a bit more sour as a whole.

Everything would turn businesslike, and soon enough people will be charging to pull, to tank, to dd, everything.

You don't see archers asking people to give them money for arrows.

You don't see tanks asking for money for repairs, heiros (well maybe heiros).

And if people did do that, didn't it really ruin your day?

Games are supposed to be -fun- and -relaxing-, not so formal.

EDIT: I think its cool if you ask your party for some donations of herbs, or coins, for your heiro and mp consumption. I just don't think forcing people is gonna do anything.

deshin wrote: »

I can't really see charging for a res but then the person getting the res should also not care what level res he is getting. The lvl 1 will restore the same hp as the lvl 10 the only difference is the death penalty. In effect asking for a level 10 res is asking for a angel.

If they have a angel then a lvl 1 res is as good any other. I can't see why a cleric would not always give a level 1 res it cost little mana and you have to take the skill to get higher skills on the tree.

I would say if you get a cleric that gives you a lvl 10 res you need to thank they very very much because they gave a huge amount of their gold and spirit points to save you a 30k angel.

Well unless there's a method that I don't know of, you can't chose what level of res you give someone, if you have level 10 res, every res you cast is level 10. If there were a way to do it I would love it, #1 because when someone dies from their own stupidity, I would really like to be able to make the punishment of death sting more, but not have to punish one of my friends who also died for that idiot's mistake. Also I would love to be able to scale it back so that res didn't cost me 885 MP in TW, when XP loss is irrelevant.

Also those talking about party roles, I don't think the person is referring to people in your party. I think he's talking more along the lines of if you are in an area and you hear that familiar "Is there a cleric in the area" yell from a corpse.

Eliatron - Lost City wrote: »

To those who say Cleric "help" I DONT DID A CLERIC TO HELP. Just to play a role. When I die no one gives me a doll, no one gives 30k for buying one. And I have to say, if I die is because Tank couldnt take aggro, archer overaggro, wiz too... clerics dont usually die because they made a mistake. Its very rare.
Besides is not nice to die, lose 2.5% and when you revive someone theres not even a big THANK YOU!
We should be able to chose res level, but that wont be possible, cant be modified.
It also different... archers dont ask for money for arrows, bolts as barbs dont ask for repair, well, as I dont ask myself for pots and hiero... so I dont see the difference.
If I took res, Ok, was my choice, but Im making your life easier, paying a little fee is not that bad if you considerer the time I saved you.

Never said it wasn't fair to charge a res, was saying you better be prepared to give that 10 minute speech every time someone dies, and still be considered a jerk, and more likely then not even after your 10 minute speech, the dead person is still going to run off without paying if it's outside of a party, and inside a party most likely no-one is going to back you on it.

Fair yes.
Fair from an outside point of view, no.

in my opinion

charging for a res is okay.

A) random person asking and you don't really want to

it doesn't bother you if they port to town

C) they are not in your guild (since the main reason for getting it is for guildies)

D) if you have a high lvl res


it's funny no one even asked how much he would charge.

I don't think 5k-10k is to much to ask for a lvl 10 res...since the person would've spent 30k using an angel. they just saved 20k

while a res of low lvl maybe would be worth 500 coins.

to be honest I think I could get my guild mates to give that no problem if it wasn't my fault they died,

not to mention what happens when the priest dies....they have to port to town...group has to wait

Buffs avoid you to die, while res only benefits the one whos dead.
Im not saying that we should charge always, but I lvl res for my guild mates, not for anyone around... actually if you consider TW, I would almost be benefit from them to dying, because that means they had lost importante xp and slow down their lvl up.
My major problem is when I die because tank couldnt take aggro, and I just lose all my xp goin town If I dont have dolls.
Also ppl think that because theres a cleric they can go suicide killing every mob.
And oh, how many time Im left behind (slow speed) and some mob start chasing me or one slow member too and no one even notice that were being hit by some mob.
Most ppl dont look at bar in squad section

Post f'd up and sent twice. Delete please. xd

/haiku/ - Lost City wrote: »

Charging for res in this game isn't as smart as it is in others. If you wanna charge for your res, guess what, people just won't have your res. They'll call a guildmate, a friend, etc to res them, and all you do is make yourself look like a jerk where you could have made a friend to quest, grind, trumble, boss, or even HH/FB with. Sure, it's reasonable for you, but the majority just wouldn't count on you for anything / presume you're a greedy jerk.

Besides, if charging for res actually caught on in this game, everyone would start charging for their own specific class abilities (as someone said earlier). BMs charging for stunlock, barbs charging for aggro control/repair bills/tanking, archers charging for ammo, wizards charging for backup DD/backup healing, venos have a plethora of things they can charge for (pulling, tanking, taming, transferring chi, amplify damage, etc).. if everyone were charging for their services.. who would be left to pay? What of zhen, where everyone spends a large amount of money in the first place? I doubt it'd catch on in PW, but if it did, the results would be unpleasant for all.

If you want recognition for ressing someone, res randoms. It's not like the tank who just died and desperately needs to regain aggro after being revived has time to say thank you. In those situations, such an act benefits everyone.. including yourself. It's simply expected of you because if you don't do it, everyone including yourself will suffer. Most randoms I res/buff on my cleric say thanks, even if they asked me for them instead of me just giving them. If you're worried about dying so much, make more cleric friends to do things with so you can res each other.

1hr buffs = for zhen parties. The DDs waste MP charm attacking nothing while you take down bubble, rebuff everyone, get your spark up again, and then re-bubble. They have uses other than just "for lazy people".

Finally, someone who has sense about them...

I've almost killed a level 52 wizard as a nuke cleric.

Unless the wizard is lv59+, they arent even a challenge for any clerics.
Try the same without using plume shot. It will make the fight somewhat less unbalanced.

@Topic
As much as i agree that revive is the ONLY skill that clerics dont get ANY benefit from it, charging for reviving wouldnt work at all. A best idea would give the cleric some xp/spirit for reviving people, even if on small amounts.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

As much as i agree that revive is the ONLY skill that clerics dont get ANY benefit from it, charging for reviving wouldnt work at all.

You couldn't be more wrong...

As a cleric, if you level up your res skill, if you ever die, YOUR XP loss is reduced by however much percent the skill says. For example, a level 2 res would reduce xp loss by 20%, and a level 8 res would reduce xp loss by 80%. I've noticed it when I was dual leveling my barbarian and cleric: whenever my barbarian died, and I hit the "go to town" button, I always lost 5% xp; with my cleric, whenever I hit the "go to town" button, I tend to lose only 2-3% xp.

My point of charging for res comes more about this.
Lets say we go to HH... ok, everyone benefits from it, of course. Generally chars die (speaking particularly in my case) die because they aggro too many mobs, or the barb only aggro ONE mob and of course im the one running all over HH trying to stay alive, knowing the consecuences of dying. If i mantain alive and barb or whatever char die they "penalty" is only a bit, while if I die because of their mistake my penalty is XP or a doll... THATS my point. Why do I have to pay for mistakes of others? Ok, you learn not to party them anymore, of course, but meanwhile you just lost a doll o some very earned difficult xp.
Ive seen way too many partys (with +60) not caring about the cleric, just running and leaving me back. I have to stop every three second asking speed buffs or just wait for mana, while I always considerer most of variables (including the limited duration of Magic Shell, checking every single char). So if I do my work WELL, I do request the same from others... but that dont happen, I die and I have to be the PAYING for the mistakes of others???
Hope Ill make my point. I dont pretend charging for every res, but just dont make me die. XP is the most valuable thing in this game, yes, you risk it when going to parties, but is not always fair when you die because of others and have to lose all of it.

I would also agree that clerics must put their own safety above others. I consider it a part of a cleric's job to stay alive when everything goes to hell. So long as the cleric lives the rest of the party can be revived but if the cleric dies then the party must wait. Therefore if the cleric of a party dies then it is in part the failure of that cleric to prioritize their own safety.

There is no excuse for trying to charge for a rez to your own party since providing that rez is part of your job in that party. If a cleric in my party tried to charge me for a rez that would deserve an instant blacklist.

I see no problem charging strangers that are not part of your party though as this is perfectly normal in most MMOs and they are paying for your time.

Yeah well here's the error in your logic. BMs, Wizards, and tanks usually do NOT go out of their way to help you kill mini-bosses and whatever. Venos do NOT help pull away mobs when you're under attack. The only time they do this is if you're in a party with them and are working towards a common goal. In that case every class has their own role they have to fulfill. With that logic, a cleric with high level res is absolutely entitled to charging res for anyone out of their guild/party. The money spent on leveling the spell, the mana cost, and the time spent to walk and cast the dead person is worth more than an Angel. Clerics have every right to ask for a LITTLE bit of cash for saving you 5% or less. While logically it makes sense, I personally don't do it just because I feel nice =D.

/haiku/ - Lost City wrote: »

Charging for res in this game isn't as smart as it is in others. If you wanna charge for your res, guess what, people just won't have your res. They'll call a guildmate, a friend, etc to res them, and all you do is make yourself look like a jerk where you could have made a friend to quest, grind, trumble, boss, or even HH/FB with. Sure, it's reasonable for you, but the majority just wouldn't count on you for anything / presume you're a greedy jerk.

Besides, if charging for res actually caught on in this game, everyone would start charging for their own specific class abilities (as someone said earlier). BMs charging for stunlock, barbs charging for aggro control/repair bills/tanking, archers charging for ammo, wizards charging for backup DD/backup healing, venos have a plethora of things they can charge for (pulling, tanking, taming, transferring chi, amplify damage, etc).. if everyone were charging for their services.. who would be left to pay? What of zhen, where everyone spends a large amount of money in the first place? I doubt it'd catch on in PW, but if it did, the results would be unpleasant for all.

If you want recognition for ressing someone, res randoms. It's not like the tank who just died and desperately needs to regain aggro after being revived has time to say thank you. In those situations, such an act benefits everyone.. including yourself. It's simply expected of you because if you don't do it, everyone including yourself will suffer. Most randoms I res/buff on my cleric say thanks, even if they asked me for them instead of me just giving them. If you're worried about dying so much, make more cleric friends to do things with so you can res each other.

1hr buffs = for zhen parties. The DDs waste MP charm attacking nothing while you take down bubble, rebuff everyone, get your spark up again, and then re-bubble. They have uses other than just "for lazy people".

I sometimes request MP pots equivalent to the MP usage, for example, lvl 8 revive costs a 800MP pot. But putting in mind, this is donation-style.
Revive lvl 10 is quite costly to get, and clerics cannot use revive on him/herself.
I guess this is a really win-win situation.

tenbatsu wrote: »

Being smart or being a-hole-ish?

Assuming you have a 50% to 90% exp save revive. Enough to be worthwhile.

Haven't done it myself in game, but have thought about it. Just wanna gauge what community opinion in this game is for this practice. It's common in other games with similar exp loss system and specialized revive skills to charge for the service.

I'm pretty sure it's possible to trade while dead. Tested opening a trade on a corpse and was rejected by the player itself. Haven't actually made a trade to prove it.

Bad idea. The money you make will be minimal to the money you loose from ticking people off. Not many people will want to party with you. Word gets around. On the flip-side...if you are known to be helpful and giving then odd things like people you've never met handing you stuff for free or grouping you to kill that Uber boss come out of the wood-work. How much is that worth?