Class Nerfs?

4:15 Mins recked lol.

b3arz wrote: »

I just think its funny how people want Tidal gone, CoD gone, Wolf Emblem Gone, and Elimination Gone haha, What would a Sin have? Stealth? and dealing 2k dmg to ppl when we take 20k? anyone who plays a sin knows that 1 stun through tidal is dead. Idk how crappy your guys gear are if your saying you only do 10k damage to sins? Because my sin is end game and when i turn off def charms, and let casters hit me, they deal 20k crits to my sin? Physical classes do like 20k crit zerks with 0 debuffs. I got 31k magic def self buff and over 2400 spirit lol. So idk what crazy Sins your fighting, but they must got alot more gear on you. My subsea + earthen rift, crit zerks BMs on our server in a 1v1 for like.. 12k? on AA yea a subsea + tangle mire might do like 30k, but use expel, use faith, kite? The only time a sin hits hard is when ur SS + Tangle mired, and that's the only time you should use ur defensive skills cus then a sin won't kill you. Learn to fight the class, stop letting a sin hit you while your fully debuffed or sparked lol. Have a BM Paralyze + HF you and smack you 1 time, bet ur AA class takes 40k-50k crit zerk. It sounds like you have no skilled BMs on your server, if ur saying a bm can't wipe the floor with a sin lol. just sounds like you have 1 pesty OP sin running around killing you guys lol. You can't fortify a disable weapon, and you can not fortify a paralyze. Can't faith one either.

another note: Just think its funny about people talking about vit bm? or +10 gears, this is 2017, it's +12 +2/+3 def/atk shards or go blue name. If you expect for +10 vit gear to beat a player with +12 josd/deity or devil/serenity, then no one would gear up lol. Just seems like to me, you spend more time QQing on forums then actually going to play assassin. You play an assassin and i bet you be thinking completely different of your choice on class you have picked lool. but im sure you'll continue QQing instead of actually seeing it for yourself. You think a +10 sin can beat +11 Deity? LOL almighty PAIN?! that you all think is soo OPPPP LOL can't do anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdDcEcyKK8M

Pain beat alot of people that outgear him extremely hard. That you bring up this example shows that you know nothing about the game, the classes and the meta. Stormbringer are literally the only counter to a sin. Now add to the fact that Pain has +8 gears with garnet shards in it (lol) and that Hara is maxed out damage besides Nuema Portal (even tho full 2nd rb CF set is also OP) then you know how ridiculous this comparision is. Compare a sin to that storm that is full def level stones, Magic def necklace, magic def ring. 140+ Def lvl in def weapon + 37k+ unbuffed mdef and you have a more balanced fight in terms of stats. Would Hara still deal 20ks then? Nope, try 10k crits with frozen Lightning, maybe.

What you Sin-Lovers don't understand is that Tidal absorbs way too many cooldowns from the other classes as it absorbs nearly all Counter-CC and thus allows sins to mostly CC you themselves, forcing you to use genie/Apo or die while you cannot return the favor to the sin. If they remove just tidal then I would utterly obliterate 99% of all sins with any other class simply because most sins just suck. They rely too much on tidal. They don't even know what ressource management means. Versus any other class you can break out of a lock with faith or w/e and counter CC to rebuilt ur own ressources or try for a killing blow. Good luck with tidal on. Even without tidal..every endgame sin has the potential to oneshot or at least charmbypass any other endgame caster when zerkcritting without a def charm being active. That should not be. This is just wrong.

IF you have trouble beating equally geared BMs/Barbs then seriously, learn how to CC or get rekt. But why learn a class when you can just sit back and enjoy all the unfair advantages, am I right? Not like sins can perform locks upto 40 seconds..but w/e. Totally impossible to kill some classes as a sin. Yap. Caster get oneshot and others stun-locked to death but yeah, SO HARD. SO DAMN HARD. Poor sins. Better buff up CotD to 100 Attack level and tidal to 100% as passive skill and ulti being permanent.

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@eirghan can you make a cleric on DA and spam me heals? K thx..... @Aradya6793 sin isn't even full deity....why am I still arguing this stupid point I swear the only non sins who argue in favor of sins have near no experience 1v1 or mass pk.... GGWP Full PvE players....

mooglemonger wrote: »

I was going to stay away from this cancer thread but I can't take it anymore.

A few thing's to take from that sb video, IGOD's r9 armor is +8 yes. Rest of him is +10 - +12 ( actually probably mostly +12 now) Keeps it at +8 so he can 'troll' that he is just a +8 sin. Which most people on the forums are even starting to give into now so yea....

Secondly that Kazumawa sin is way better geared then IGOD is. So gear does make a difference. Meaning that Kazumawa would be a lot harder to kill because.... GEAR!

Third when did either one of those sins continuosly pop out of stealth and just one shot the sb? Multipule times?

That Stormbringer ( SweetHara) is probably the best on the server and both of those sins know what they're doing too. So I'm seeing different gear and no one shots on command...

Dont waste your breath. Sin's skills scale with triple spark so therefore all other points are moot /end sarcasm​​

mooglemonger wrote: »

I was going to stay away from this cancer thread but I can't take it anymore.

A few thing's to take from that sb video, IGOD's r9 armor is +8 yes. Rest of him is +10 - +12 ( actually probably mostly +12 now) Keeps it at +8 so he can 'troll' that he is just a +8 sin. Which most people on the forums are even starting to give into now so yea....

Secondly that Kazumawa sin is way better geared then IGOD is. So gear does make a difference. Meaning that Kazumawa would be a lot harder to kill because.... GEAR!

Third when did either one of those sins continuosly pop out of stealth and just one shot the sb? Multipule times?

That Stormbringer ( SweetHara) is probably the best on the server and both of those sins know what they're doing too. So I'm seeing different gear and no one shots on command...

As I've said SO many times already. SB is a direct counter to sins if the SB has enough damage to potentially kill the Sin before Tidal is even off. The chances of any sin killing a storm as long as the storm is in reaper form or Dew is very unlikely due to purify spell. Once the sin reaches a point of survivability on which he can survive Reaper Form and Dew then the Storm will lose 99% of the time. While Pain is a great sin (probably the best atm)..he admitted himself that he has not that much experience fighting Storms and that was quite obvious.

Give me a Sin with absolutely equal gears to Hara and I promise you, heck I bet it on my own life, that I would win 9 out of 10 fights, easily at the current meta (90% only because there is luck ya know ). The only reason why I even react to such dumb posts is because I cant let such nonsense stand. Seriously. 4 gear parts +8 with useless shards in a match up are negligible compared to +12 parts with josd? Are you serious? Ornaments? Since you can have over 3k+ on both defenses on your chart I would rather look there because seriously, the difference between +10 ornaments and +12 ornaments is pretty negligible these days.

This thread isnt cancer. Sins are cancer. Because some people are able to beat Sins by either outgearing them to hell or by simply outplaying them doesnt render sins weak.

When you are at a PvP level in which every single tiny gear upgrade could prevent a charmbypass (or grant one on the other hand) or simply gives you the opportunity to survive just one more skill then you also get dozens of opportunities to fight back, counter-CC, hell you could even beat someone you couldnt beat before. If you go all out every bit of difference matters no matter how small it would be. 5k+ HP and 32 Def level is not small.

You still dont realize that the only problem I have with the sin class is that they got too many advantages they COULD use. Aside from Duskblades, Assassins can out-CD any other class with easy, meaning that they can still hold back genie/apo/skills to survive/DD while other classes already used them up just to survive in a direct matchup and even worse in Mass-PvP. No. I don't accept that. That shouldnt exist. It is unfair. Even more than unfair. Either let them have their offensive power and make them squishy for real or dumb down their damage and make them a support class for CC.

Do you know what would happen if CN would apply my suggestions (base % to weapon %, removal of cotd and tidal)? Very good Assassins would still win alot of fights versus very good players of other classes in 1v1s, just not nearly every fight as it is now because they dont have an unfair advantage anymore. Very good assassins will still be very useful in mass pvp since they still have Focused mind, a vast set of CC skills and a very strong AMP-Skill, not to mention the plethora of Stealth-Skills to stay alive. They just cant be as reckless anymore and thus would be on equal footing as ANY OTHER FRIGGIN CLASS IN THIS GAME!

What happens to the reckless, not so good Assassins? They get rekt in the way they always deserved to get rekt. So, please. GET REKT!

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mooglemonger wrote: »

@aradya6793 excellent. We are making progress, it is a gear difference! Also I am just listing IGOD's more accuarate refines because he has more gear then +8 all around. I am well aware the p def refines on accessories ans garnet shards would not help at all against the sb, but that's not the sb's problem...

@eirghan Alot of people spark in pvp. Yea sure damage gets increased for all classes not just sins.

@jsxshadow I didn't mean to make you burst a vessel. Not everyone can be like you and study every single class and predetermine all possibilites. Sins are suppose to do alot of damage, the tidal well why cc them then? Just hit them! They go into stealth, use a stealth pot! They use their ulti to escape and if they leave, well take that as a win. They use ulti and continue to attack you then leave! Try to use a skill that increases channelling when they are unstealthed ( I don't know what an sb has but I'm sure they have something that increases channeling) makes there skills mo e alot slower. If tidal blocks 66% of that well a sin is a luck based class. I don't what else to say life isn't fair I guess. Just like it would be nice to land the coveted zerk crit at command, which is again chanced based.... The sin class should not get nerfed. It's all luck based my friend. Win some, lose some. Deal with it.

Also reading this I read the mention of sins with 2rb NP card sets, do these actually exist? And if they did don't you think any class with that exact set would be able to do whatever they want? ( also assuming the rest of their gear is endgamed...)

Think you missed the /sarcasm

K then. Everything I just said had no meaning so somone else just came alone and repeated what I just proved to be BS. Oh forums. Sometimes I love ya.

KK. for the slower people around here:

1. Pain even said himself that he doesnt have much experience vs stormbringer.
2. I already stated that a max damage storm (like Hara) is the closest thing to a counter Assassins have atm.
3. His gear is still garb. He couldnt even wait for reaper to end before he was dead in most cases rofl.
4. I have a video of me (my storm being full josd, 24k pdef selfbuffed) getting even oneshot through reaper form after Subsea/mire by a josd sin (only had 57k pdef left after mire so I guess thats ok LOL!) No other full josd class comes even close oneshotting another josd class without massive debuffs. But k. Sins should be able to because they are the only DD class in the game, right? Suuuuurrrrreeeee...

If you guys just suck too much at playing sin why dont you just quit the game ffs and stop derailing this thread with your nonsense. You have not played all classes. you dont know all perspectives. So please, I ask you again. Just shut up.

I really dont wanna be rude but you guys dont seem to understand it any other way. It seems impossible to get the thought into your heads that you are wrong.

Off-Topic on topic: On a server in which there were no deities and mainly only def lvl3 stones...on which assassins att lvl bonus from r9 was removed entirely and pain still managed to beat nearly anyone on that server, including seeker, bms and Barbs. Since there were no deity he had alot less attack power then what is possible on average on pwi. also, no homestead skills. Going by your logic..if we apply the nerfs I suggest it would be impossible to kill HA classes...well duh!? Obviously not. Learn how to CC and you can beat anyone as a sin. ANYONE. 40 attack leve, tidal, a bit of base damage..that is also to help the skill-less people to lend a kill as well.

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I hope you realize sins get more from spark than all other classes due to skills saying 400% base physical damage what does spark do to physical damage? Idk increase it extremely high and the skills come directly from that while most other classes it's like 400% of WEAPON damage so spark will do more for the sin @mooglemonger also no a NP 2RB psy def or atk lvl gems without being purge still ggeasy to delete not 1v1 but give it a decent 3-4 ppl depend on gear AA with one being even a basic G16 db for night howler for anti silence and it's easy lmfao we have enough on DA to prove it. Try it on a sin and if Jsod/serenity he won't die period his tidal will allow him to ATLEAST delete half the squad or be halfway across America kiting. Once agian @b3arz when sins get even 1 paralyze skill gl surviving stormbringers

@aradya6793 no!! are u insane xD INB4 sins trip spark and just zerkcrit AA classes for 30k with knife throw spam without anything to protect them. Removing def charms would break the current game even more. A wiz could just jump at you and oneshot you before you realize whats even happening, same for alot of other classes...especially sins. sure..sins would get OSed more easily too..but the majority of classes would hardcore suffer from this.

Nu Nu. leave the def charms where they arr. They are not that much of a problem. Just CC and they are gone. Remove tidal and CotD tho. That would be neat.

Idm def charms except they screwed seekers too tbh

I personally think Arcanes would suffer most then HA if nerf def charms but that's just my oppinion

This whole discussion is useless cause they will NEVER nerf the sins.