Upcoming G17/R5 weapon release in PW-CN Discussion

@freygin If I recall, it was said that some material was tradeable, some coins might get spread just not all of it.
Even if the quests can only be obtained from a certain house/instance and is limited but tradeable; other elitist will want it and will bid over another till they get what they want.​​

zentfamily wrote: »

... they also use in game captchas.

This is interesting.

It can be really annoying too if you don't read Chinese. It's an anti-bot feature, and will pop up randomly. If you don't answer in a certain amount of time, or correctly, it logs you off. When I played on the CN servers, I got hit with it roughly once an hour.​​

@thread tl;dr [most]
Let's hope someone will post a good summary in a new thread soon.

"My two cents"
It's always an up- and down. Focus of PWCN/PWE are the rich guys (again).


"and its longer version:"

* In the first year they wanted to build up a huge player base.

* Later they wanted the money from 20-30% pack-addicted player base.

* With Rank9 release they wanted the money from the rich 1-5% of the core players and with Rank8 release some money from 20-30% of the player base.

* With big R9 sales/NW/free 10* orbs/Meridians/Nuemas/Titles they wanted the re-balance the game and get some money from 20-30% of player base again.

* With A/S card sets on the one side and "Vitae and Scarts" on the other side they aimed for both, the rich and the the "normal folk" again.

* With the tiered g17 and the Housing System they obviously can get money from both sources again. But to me it seems to be they focus on the rich 1-5% again.


I suppose the marketing team behind the scene is driven by the waves which you also can read in the news magazines.
Years ago the "experts" told them to focus on the "casual players", because the time of the big spenders is over. But it didn't work that well for PWI.

I'm pretty sure this title gets most of the money from a few rich people (or addicted people which spend more as they should).
And those rich guys want to get something for their money, they want to be op ofc.
I won't blame PWCN/PWE that they are trying to get as much money as they can from those guys.

They just should never forget that the rich guys need their cheap victims to feel op
If those cheap victims get frustrated too much, they might rq over time ;(.

= @thenamesdomino me wants (generous) freebies, don't forgot them when you release that patch =P
Everything should be bound to account ofc to avoid scamming.

So housing could serve as a source of income for coins for casual players, but with 3 billions coin sink per anyone who wants to upgrade house to the max, the server would lose a lot of coins.

@standoffishman : what is JoJ ?

@attackerv : How long will it take to max everything for the house assuming we have 3 billions and 4750 golds.

freygin said:

So housing could serve as a source of income for coins for casual players, but with 3 billions coin sink per anyone who wants to upgrade house to the max, the server would lose a lot of coins.

@standoffishman : what is JoJ ?

@attackerv : How long will it take to max everything for the house assuming we have 3 billions and 4750 golds.

Well there's a rather low limit to how many people can make g17r5 weapons even if everyone decides to max out houses. You'll average 6100 final boss kills to get the needed teeth. It's daily and not a short instance either plus only one person in the squad actually gets that tooth. So really if lots of people dump heaps on houses really early they won't really get anything out of it.

JoJ is Jolly old Jones. It's a daily quest designed for leveling players to give them coin. They get some for talking to the NPC then more if they complete basic tasks.

Various people use swarms of accounts with characters in the correct level range in order to generate ludicrous amounts of coins. Many of them use out of game bots to automate the whole thing. It's 158k for talking to them and 774k if you preform some (very simple) tasks.

Per character it's not a lot but the people doing it often have ludicrous numbers of accounts. Worst case I've seen personally had a bot just logging in getting the 158k without moving then logging off and doing the next accounts. Cycle time was around 5 seconds if I recall correctly. I only say there for about 3-4 minutes but it was frankly ridiculous.

The only thing keeping it remotely under control is that, as far as I know, the entire process (including making accounts and leveling) cannot currently be completely 100% automated as it previously could. This means that although 20 accounts is fairly painless to do or even 50 with a bit of effort getting really insane numbers is actually kinda impractical.

Although 50 accounts is still 800m in pure coin per month from a bot that isn't running much. That's assuming you set it to do the two tasks (of three) that are quick.

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superfedee said:

ppl hyping on g17r5 damage

when f.e. magic sword r9r3 1431-1749 +1050 @+12

magic sword g17r5 1473-1801 +1350 @ +12



it's like what 3k more base damage? lmfao



wait, arcane zerkcrit?



whats arcane class crit chance? 40%?

whats zerk proc chance? 20%



whats arcane zerkcrit chance? 8%



i'd rather have the 100% debuff weapon

which if it happens to have a "different" debuff icon, might mean 0def for fire damage (wizard-wise)



anyways i am pretty confident all of these mats will join the boutique for us,

else PWE won't have anything to monetize with the housing patch



i just hope not at **** star-chart launch fiasco prices



and i really hope there will be a serious twitch stream by PWE @mintsummer @mynameisdomino , with detailed proc chances for each weapon and detailed testing of them and overall a twitch stream with some more "GM willpower" respect what we had till now​​

So first of all I don't think that debuff will get wizard targets to 0. Not without support anyway. Near as I can tell it takes players to around 70% of the equip base.

It might be an interesting build if someone went for heaps of channeling. Otherwise it relies on a debuff proc and only lasts 8 seconds.


People are talking about the damage gap because it's roughly the same damage gap you get from full jades to full deity. If comparing the weapons you need to compare everything not just the base weapon damage. On top of that it gives offensive procs to a lot of classes that didn't have them before.

Also as you'd know if you'd read the thread perfect world makes money by selling items to upgrade the houses. Hence still fairly well monetized.

superfedee said:

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Hmmm having looked more closely if it goes completely to 0 comes down to the base mag and vit of the player being debuffed.

So yeah they can go down to zero you're right, it will depend on the details. My bad on that one.

Still a bit finicky and CD heavy for my taste for TW. Having said that it could be great for taking out higher geared players. My only concern would be from a practical standpoint the Wizard with that gear will almost always have better gear than the target if we get the implementation used in China.

The thing with the housing upgrades is if they actually give us an implementation identical to what China has then they won't be putting the mats in the boutique for a remotely reasonable price a year after the patch.

Keep in mind that would mean they would be putting it in the boutique while we still only have 5ish weapons across all four servers. Unless the mats are ultra rare pack drops I think that would cause a bunch of whales to quit on the spot.

Oh and procs are one defensive and one offensive on a single weapon. You can't get two of one and zero of the other.

Also no def levels on r4 weapons. The split happens at r5 both of which are crafted with attack weapons.

If each proc has different icon, then g17r5 is a huge upgrade from r9.3

Will there be a new place for storage in the house ? It's kinda defeat the purpose, owning a house but can't keep stuffs in there.

superfedee said:

ikr, and to what? have a fancy pixel house? xD

an EXPENSIVE pixel house that's gonna take years of invesment and maintenance without any advantage until the one last mat and can't be used for storing pixel items. ><

attackerv said:

BTW, the house quest not only gives G17 mats, there are some chance to give S/A/B card box /A chest/star chart stuffs

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/quest/35010
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/quest/35011 ( 4050 property valye for 100% get quest, 2700 for random chance)
http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/quest/35012 (this quest need 7600 property vale for 100% get red quest)

To those cards or star chart max ppl, they can ignore those stuff.....

Thank god, now that's what I like to hear, having a chance to get A/S boxes and StarChart items is a big plus. There is even a 5% chance of getting a box with 100% chance A avatar, relying on FSP alone is ridiculous especially for alts, which sometimes ppl use for giving it to main char. Alt will be alt but this will help alts a bit and not left behind too far. There is no Astropira lv.3 though, it's BQ only then.

Any other adavantage or usage that you haven't mentioned yet ? Catgirldesu mentioned that a consumable item from house dailies is needed to cast super skill.

but after all that, it's easier and guaranteed to get the quest ? how long does it take to reach high level house ? assuming we have the fund ready.

g17 fb is the one that ppl say a 2 hours long run ? if to get the quest needs a high level house, it will need a lot of people that's interested in leveling their houses before many people can do the run then.

@thenamesdomino you may not be able to tell us about the expansion we all know about already (and to be honest some of us probably know more than the people working on the test server with it), but i'm sure you can at least give us an expected release date... (that barely even constitutes normal level of information).... Any normal game would of at least confirmed the existance of a new update a couple months ago, and should at minimum give the community updates as to its whereabouts.... And please don't use dragon's conquest as an excuse for an expansion. That was something we got with the last expansion many months ago that for whatever reason wasn't activated until somewhat recently.

I'm quite sure PWI will get it, the only question is when. The game even added the option to switch to R9 CN version for anyone who wants it, so I think they're done with exclusive patch and decided to follow the mothership from now on.

Imo making R9 widely available by selling it on BQ was like a double edged sword, it boosted sales but made future patches stale. By having R9.3 sets, especially R9.3 weapon that is on par with G17r4, most ppl on PWI server can be said already a few years ahead in term of gears even with the G17 patch, investing a lot of time and money for a downgrade weapon (g17r1-g17r3) and will only get a weapon that has same quality (g17r4) after a long time of farming and money spent is a pain in the ****. Only after getting g17r4, then ppl can continue...for another year(s) of farming to reach r5 LOL.

I wonder why they always present gears like that, making it so hard so only a few people can get it, then make it a bit easier and a lot easier later on. Is that how they run the business, by milking the richest first, the less rich later, then milk the rest after that.

Funny thing is 99.9% of the people where I play skip R8.3 entirely and can't even buy the mats because almost noone does QSM run. The upgrade isn't that significant from R8.2 but had it been made easier, ppl will farm it and will most likely spend chienkun for transferring gems and refines and generate revenue for the publisher, but they make it sooo time consuming with the ridiculous map and stingy reward that ppl won't even bother with it. I'm curious if this will apply to PWI server when the G17 expansion arrives.