New skill & new pets-upgrades discussion

Desdi - Sanctuary

They got the forms/new skills before the pet update. Still hoping/waiting for the latter

Azura - Lost City

I think I will miss the old fox form.

opkossy

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I think I will miss the old fox form.

I think you'll be able to use them independently of each other.

Veneir - Dreamweaver

OPKossy wrote: »

I think you'll be able to use them independently of each other.

They(the veno transformations) were, a while back, said to be two separate skills with the same icon and same cooldown(just like bewitch), I'm pretty sure, so yeah o.o

Azura - Lost City

OPKossy wrote: »

I think you'll be able to use them independently of each other.

Yeah, but apparently the new form will give some new buffs, and one skill to use. It would be a bit silly to not use that new advantage.

opkossy

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

Yeah, but apparently the new form will give some new buffs, and one skill to use. It would be a bit silly to not use that new advantage.

Depends on the situation. There will probably be plenty of times where you're better off in the current fox form and vice versa, much like clerics and violet dance.

It's one of those things we'll have to get used to before really judging.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

On the video it look like that the new one replace the fox form, she have the ''old'' skill in hotkey that make her turn into the new form. If it wasn't replace it she would have 2 fox form skill in the hotkey I guess.

Barbs look epic in the new form. xD

dupethefile

Very amazing. In this video is confirmed that the MP reduction is zero per cent.

I think that when i get this new form, i never will use the old form, WHY?

No MP reduction
Same defense bonus
60% moviment speed for demon
5% critcal rate for demon
and 35 chi for sage

Why would I use the old form?

Desdi - Sanctuary

Yeah the barbs look kinda cute and funny haha. b:chuckle

Anyway, I suppose it is the case of Bewitch here. I have both versions of Bewitched but I have only one of them on my hotkeys bar.

The fact that it doesn't lower the MP is a good point. I'll still use the old Fox Form sometimes, however, just for the looks. The new one is pretty but I think the old one is cuter.

Either way, yeah, I'd probably end up using the new Fox Form on a regular basis considering the bonuses and extra skills.

Kiszmet - Heavens Tear

I can't wait for new fox form b:pleased

But there is only one extra skill that I know of, are there going to be more?

I have to agree, if I can use all the old skills why would I use the old fox form? Better Def and ACC than sage, dosn't make sense for me to use the old one anymore.

Does anyone know how the base in game pets get upgraded? I've seen picture of them with the thier new form. is it automatic at a ceritan level or does it have to be quested/paid for like skills?

Lastly, does anyone know when we will finally be getting this?

Marengo - Lost City

Old foxform looks much better xD As for mana, who needs mana in fox form? so not a great advantage. It will prevent mana charm tick after turning into human, but on 75% limit it ticks often anyway.

Castgurl - Raging Tide

Awesome pics + videos b:victory looking forward to the new updates for the venos.

SakuLv - Dreamweaver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UajJKz0o9Co

watched that video of 3 new forges in Arch
didnt see anything about that New Pets can be made from NW tokens or something
maybe they will be new cash shop pets b:sad

then 60tokens to get raps and 8 tokens for cannys ?

helovesu

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

So...somebody linked me http://youtu.be/xcM2WWzS1m4.

It confirms that new fox form still allows you to use normal fox form skills however it appears that you can no longer use the old fox form. o.o unless I'm missing something.

What i learned from the video given is that the new pet system must be upgraded immediately!

I have been being suffering from the same problem with her : my niex easily got beaten and killed when being in a TW arena. And we must consider that one of the special things which veno has is her pet.

Hence we need something new for our pets' survivability.

Thank you

dupethefile

SakuLv - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UajJKz0o9Co

watched that video of 3 new forges in Arch
didnt see anything about that New Pets can be made from NW tokens or something
maybe they will be new cash shop pets b:sad

then 60tokens to get raps and 8 tokens for cannys ?

Yes this is true. PWI is the only PW Version that the the canny was changed for 1 token = 5 canny, and 1 token = 1 rap. In all of the others PW versions (PWBR, PWFR, PW Philipines, PWCH...) the canny = 8 tokens + 150k, and the rap = 60 tokens + 1kk.

PWI is the only pw version that the R9 sets is very accessible. In others PW versions the R9 is almost impossible. This was the reason for the number of cannys and rap obtained in the NW was changed here.

And this video was made when the "Rise of dynasty" (Sirens of war here) was launched in the china, so this video is too old.

Licancura - Archosaur

I read all the pages so I could have missed it but, my doubt about the new "unique" pets system based in our own soulforce is:

a) Would the pet be unique at the moment I tamed it?

b) Or it'll get random stats while leveling as genies?

c) Or it'll get randomized when I call it?

If its option a, it means Ill have to tame a few before I get the one I want, no problem here. I hope.

If its like genies, it would be a pain to start all over when the stats goes in the direction I dont want. I hope its not like that unless the exp for the pets gets improved a lot.

I dont think its option c because it would not be practical hoping for a tanky pet, and getting a dd one, after you pet die or something, and have to re-call it several times while a boss is trying to kill you. b:chuckle

I have a magmite level 98, what would happen to him with this new system? How would his stats would be rerolled? I'm a little worried about that.

Regarding venos being meassured by the new ultimate pets. I don't worry about it, I'm being meassured by my gear and weapon, and I always fail. b:cry

I wanted a system where mobs were like players having 4 stats to personalize, and all mobs could be tamed so, if I want my tank being a minkii I could have that just setting her stats.

Anyway, all the stuff seems great and no matter what, I'm happy for some love for us. b:cute

dupethefile

Licancura - Archosaur wrote: »

I read all the pages so I could have missed it but, my doubt about the new "unique" pets system based in our own soulforce is:

a) Would the pet be unique at the moment I tamed it?

b) Or it'll get random stats while leveling as genies?

c) Or it'll get randomized when I call it?

If its option a, it means Ill have to tame a few before I get the one I want, no problem here. I hope.

If its like genies, it would be a pain to start all over when the stats goes in the direction I dont want. I hope its not like that unless the exp for the pets gets improved a lot.

I dont think its option c because it would not be practical hoping for a tanky pet, and getting a dd one, after you pet die or something, and have to re-call it several times while a boss is trying to kill you. b:chuckle

I have a magmite level 98, what would happen to him with this new system? How would his stats would be rerolled? I'm a little worried about that.

Regarding venos being meassured by the new ultimate pets. I don't worry about it, I'm being meassured by my gear and weapon, and I always fail. b:cry

I wanted a system where mobs were like players having 4 stats to personalize, and all mobs could be tamed so, if I want my tank being a minkii I could have that just setting her stats.

Anyway, all the stuff seems great and no matter what, I'm happy for some love for us. b:cute

Letter A is the correct. The pet will be unique when you tame him. Don't worry about your magmite, his stats won't be decreased if your gear isn't so good, this new system will increase only, not decrease.

Look: If you magimite has 9700 pdef, with the new system your magmite = 9700 + X.
X is a value based in your gear. X>0, So the worst thing that can happen, is X=1. 9700 + 1 = 9701 kkkkkkkkkkkkk. If X = 2000, 9700+2000=11700 pdef. So the more defense you have or acquire, more the value of X will be high. Not only Defense, as others stats (Hp, Attack, Defense level, attack level, Magical Defense and Physical Defense)

This value X, it's based in a random inherit coeficient, this coeficient will determine the percentage your pet will inherit from you (value of X). So your magimite can have a high inherit coeficient or a low inherit coeficient. When more high the coeficient, more the pet will inherit from your gear (high X value).
The new venos can tame her magmite a thousand times, unitil she get a magmite with high coeficient. While you and me have to have lucky when this system launch here, because our magmite can be a magmite with high coeficient, or a magmite with low coeficient. If you get a magmite with low coeficient, Try to tame another with a better coeficient, and level up him.

I think the pets, for example, sawfly, scorpion, magmite... (the most common pets among venos) with the highest coeficient will be salled for a very expensive value, and this can be a new way to the venos make money or spend money. All pets can be rare now kkkkkkkkkkk.

I have some assumptions:

The legendaries pets will have a constant inherit coeficient. And their coeficient will be higher than the other pets.
The rare pets will have a constant inherit coefficient too, but the value will be lower than the lengendaries, and higher than others pets

Azura - Lost City

This is taking so long to comeb:cry

EllyFire - Dreamweaver

Why not the same system as your character? 4 stats where you can spend points on after each level. That way everyone can develop their pets according to their playstyle.

Or a crazy idea -> combining pets to make them 'evolve' into one with better stats. Or even pet breeding (Hercule and Hercula b:chuckle )

So many possibillities...

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Not sure if it was answered, but any details on how to get the new forms for Barbs and Venos exactly? I know you can apparently get from a quest line at lvl 100 or the CS.

Just curious if its like a culti-like quest to kill a boss or mobs or something.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not sure if it was answered, but any details on how to get the new forms for Barbs and Venos exactly? I know you can apparently get from a quest line at lvl 100 or the CS.

Just curious if its like a culti-like quest to kill a boss or mobs or something.

Sadly we don't have any information about that and neither Bubbles nor Asterelle posted any further details. It will probably involve killing a boss or two but I don't think it will be a hard challenge unless they want to make all the lazy people use the CS b:chuckle

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Apparently the item to get the new forms via cashshop is worth 68 gold if I read what PW-BR said correctly from that screenshot, and assuming that is the actual item too.

http://www.pwbrchannel.com/2012/11/novas-transformacoes-para-os-selvagens.html

Guess its doing the quest way. :P

Pelli - Dreamweaver

Well, yesterday, Vali came on Dreamweaver for a Find the GM event and when I asked him about the updates, he answered by saying that with the teasers of the panda form on PWI's facebook, the new forms would be coming within the next few weeks. Hopefully, he was correct because the waiting is killing me.

I want my ninetails form to kick *** with it

Licancura - Archosaur

dupethefile wrote: »

Letter A is the correct. The pet will be unique when you tame him. Don't worry about your magmite, his stats won't be decreased if your gear isn't so good, this new system will increase only, not decrease.

Look: If you magimite has 9700 pdef, with the new system your magmite = 9700 + X.
X is a value based in your gear. X>0, So the worst thing that can happen, is X=1. 9700 + 1 = 9701 kkkkkkkkkkkkk. If X = 2000, 9700+2000=11700 pdef. So the more defense you have or acquire, more the value of X will be high. Not only Defense, as others stats (Hp, Attack, Defense level, attack level, Magical Defense and Physical Defense)

This value X, it's based in a random inherit coeficient, this coeficient will determine the percentage your pet will inherit from you (value of X). So your magimite can have a high inherit coeficient or a low inherit coeficient. When more high the coeficient, more the pet will inherit from your gear (high X value).

This brings a lot of new questions to me.

So, this mean if I tame a magmite at level 17, with my crappy gear he would be as crappy as me, but if I tame it at level 100+ with my OP Rrr9 gear, he would be a boss?

Or it means that if I tame a pet with a high physical defense level but my gear doesn't have much of that (AA veno), that stat would remain the same?

dupethefile wrote: »

The new venos can tame her magmite a thousand times, unitil she get a magmite with high coeficient. While you and me have to have lucky when this system launch here, because our magmite can be a magmite with high coeficient, or a magmite with low coeficient. If you get a magmite with low coeficient, Try to tame another with a better coeficient, and level up him.

Really? We'd have to change pets each 10 levels or so? Because following that idea, a pet tamed by a high level would always be better because would be based in a way better gear.

dupethefile wrote: »

I think the pets, for example, sawfly, scorpion, magmite... (the most common pets among venos) with the highest coeficient will be salled for a very expensive value, and this can be a new way to the venos make money or spend money. All pets can be rare now kkkkkkkkkkk.

I guess the same, if the OPness of the pet would be created at the moment of taming, and the stats and gear of the tamer would be considered for it, then any pet we can pretend to keep may have to be tamed by a higher level, good geared veno.
I guess the poor player would tame their own pets, while the richer, would buy one from the not-legendary but op market. b:shocked

dupethefile wrote: »

I have some assumptions:

The legendaries pets will have a constant inherit coeficient. And their coeficient will be higher than the other pets.
The rare pets will have a constant inherit coefficient too, but the value will be lower than the lengendaries, and higher than others pets

I agree, if rare pets are rare, how can enough of them would be tamed with good stats? Although, from now on, good stats may depend on the buyer so, for rare sellers, all pets tamed could have a market anyway.

Maybe in the future there would be R9 for pets. b:laughb:cry

Desdi - Sanctuary

Not sure what to say about that part because we have the legendary pets. Nobody's going to buy multiple ones to get the best coefficient. Hopefully we might be able to "re-roll" our pets for that or legendary pets might have a fixed (probably highest) coefficient value.

dupethefile

Licancura - Archosaur wrote: »

This brings a lot of new questions to me.

So, this mean if I tame a magmite at level 17, with my crappy gear he would be as crappy as me, but if I tame it at level 100+ with my OP Rrr9 gear, he would be a boss?

Or it means that if I tame a pet with a high physical defense level but my gear doesn't have much of that (AA veno), that stat would remain the same?



Really? We'd have to change pets each 10 levels or so? Because following that idea, a pet tamed by a high level would always be better because would be based in a way better gear.



I guess the same, if the OPness of the pet would be created at the moment of taming, and the stats and gear of the tamer would be considered for it, then any pet we can pretend to keep may have to be tamed by a higher level, good geared veno.
I guess the poor player would tame their own pets, while the richer, would buy one from the not-legendary but op market. b:shocked

From what I understood:

The pet's status will be very variable. For example, you has a veno level 100, and tame a magmite level 17, wthout set. When you hatch the pet and summon him, without set, he will inherit stats from you without set. When you summon him with your R9 set full +12, it will inherit stats based in your R9 set. If you summon him with your Nirvana +0 it will inherit stats based in your nirvana set.

The stats not depend of the set that you had when you tame him, But the set that you are using now. The only thing that is fixed when you tame him, is the inherit coeficient. This coeficient doesn't change when you level up the pet.

@Update: If this update launch in PWI now, only the new fox form and the new panda form will be implemented.

Desdi - Sanctuary

The upcoming content we'll be receiving in a few weeks won't include the pet upgrade system as it hasn't been released in PWCN yet, as far as I know.

I'm still quite happy to get something new for Venomancers though b:chuckle

Kiszmet - Heavens Tear

dupethefile wrote: »

Letter A is the correct. The pet will be unique when you tame him. Don't worry about your magmite, his stats won't be decreased if your gear isn't so good, this new system will increase only, not decrease.

Look: If you magimite has 9700 pdef, with the new system your magmite = 9700 + X.
X is a value based in your gear. X>0, So the worst thing that can happen, is X=1. 9700 + 1 = 9701 kkkkkkkkkkkkk. If X = 2000, 9700+2000=11700 pdef. So the more defense you have or acquire, more the value of X will be high. Not only Defense, as others stats (Hp, Attack, Defense level, attack level, Magical Defense and Physical Defense)

This value X, it's based in a random inherit coeficient, this coeficient will determine the percentage your pet will inherit from you (value of X). So your magimite can have a high inherit coeficient or a low inherit coeficient. When more high the coeficient, more the pet will inherit from your gear (high X value).
The new venos can tame her magmite a thousand times, unitil she get a magmite with high coeficient. While you and me have to have lucky when this system launch here, because our magmite can be a magmite with high coeficient, or a magmite with low coeficient. If you get a magmite with low coeficient, Try to tame another with a better coeficient, and level up him.

I think the pets, for example, sawfly, scorpion, magmite... (the most common pets among venos) with the highest coeficient will be salled for a very expensive value, and this can be a new way to the venos make money or spend money. All pets can be rare now kkkkkkkkkkk.

I have some assumptions:

The legendaries pets will have a constant inherit coeficient. And their coeficient will be higher than the other pets.
The rare pets will have a constant inherit coefficient too, but the value will be lower than the lengendaries, and higher than others pets

I find this interesting but I hope it isn't true. As it stands lower leveled pets get higher stats in late game then newly tamed higher level pets. If this holds true then does this mean I will have to train new pets and buy them legendary skills again?b:shocked Perhaps the new pet forms coming out for all pets will rectify this by giving all pets who achieve them standard coeficients. I hope so, I dread the prospect of leveling a wolf to 101 again b:surrender.

MetzliDemon - Harshlands

I like the new pet appearance, special the phoenix
And except the kowlin, I like it as it is
About the new forms... I just can say "Ewwwww" to barb new true form b:spit b:shocked But good we'll can still use old white tiger form ^^
The new fox form, looks cool, looks alike the ninetails mount xD

helovesu

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Not sure what to say about that part because we have the legendary pets. Nobody's going to buy multiple ones to get the best coefficient. Hopefully we might be able to "re-roll" our pets for that or legendary pets might have a fixed (probably highest) coefficient value.

Yeah, i absolutely agreed it.

The Legendaries we have, shall be a waste if this happens. So i think, i hope the same things with Desdi b:chuckle