PVP in Secret Passage
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We already express why we, the pw community, dont want a pvp instance in a pve server, aka, WE DONT WANT SP as PVP INSTANCE. We already gave lots and lots of reason about this when SP was previously pvp instance.
There are already several instances to pvp for the fanatic taliban pvpers (which are very few in comparison with the pve players that actually only wants to pvp in TW/nw).
And a GM allow pvp in SP??? WTF??? So the least players have the louder voice in PW??
Nice, now new players have to fraps, ss, and report tickets when they get killed by pvpers in SP, degradating their game play just because few ppl find fun to kill the lower. Nice. Really Nice. I guess PW finnaly closing the doors to new players.
Enjoy the mess. b:angry0 -
I would just suggest you look at the past threads on secret passage pvp Hey You! and really think hard about this being a good idea. All of the hatred for it the first and second time around, and you want to try it again?
I'll just leave this thread here to remind you. The third time around's the charm? It's disrespecting to your playerbase to put something back into place that so many complained about. What next? You guys going to stick horns back in the boutique and watch hell insue as annoying people buy them up and abuse them again? It's the same kind of deal here, and i'm very appalled.0 -
WOW pwi continues to be ignorant on this matter...this has been abused and will continue to be abused...saying it is against the rules to pk non consenting players does nothing to stop lower levels trying to do quest from getting PK`d they'll gladly take their 24 hour ban or what ever it is and simply log their other accounts and do it again!b:angryb:angry0
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Gravediggr - Dreamweaver wrote: »WOW pwi continues to be ignorant on this matter...this has been abused and will continue to be abused...saying it is against the rules to pk non consenting players does nothing to stop lower levels trying to do quest from getting PK`d they'll gladly take their 24 hour ban or what ever it is and simply log their other accounts and do it again!b:angryb:angry
First ban is 3 days. Next one is a week. Next one after that is permanent.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't risk that just to grief and be a bully/jerk to people.[SIGPIC]Octavia is best pony[/SIGPIC]
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Gravediggr - Dreamweaver wrote: »WOW pwi continues to be ignorant on this matter...this has been abused and will continue to be abused...saying it is against the rules to pk non consenting players does nothing to stop lower levels trying to do quest from getting PK`d they'll gladly take their 24 hour ban or what ever it is and simply log their other accounts and do it again!b:angryb:angry
It's a 3 day ban minimum for first offenses. Continued abuse results in longer bans. I suspect they've been enforcing it pretty well, as well. Because i've been in there several times and it's been empty each time. Theres a reason that there hasn't been over a thousand posts on this issue like last time. Less people are reporting being griefed, because it's not happening as much. Random PK in there is still bannable. The only people can't be banned over it are friends having fun and being respectful of the rules. There's always going to be people who won't listen to the rules regardless. What those griefers are doing is bannable just as much if they said all of it was bannable. They just do not care, and thats what tickets are for.
And once again, it was NOT turned into a pvp area by PWI. They received the patch from China, who forgot to localize it for us. More than likely because of all the other things they were doing for the expansion.0 -
_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »First ban is 3 days. Next one is a week. Next one after that is permanent.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't risk that just to grief and be a bully/jerk to people.
Thats if your tickets are actually responded to and handled, and looking at pwi's past we all know that never actually happens very successfully. And what he says about logs is unreliable. I know this because i had my wedding mess up and they had to search their logs for proof so that i could get my reward for the contribution. My wedding and all of my guests conversations and things didnt even show up in their logs. It was eventually resolved through screenshots, because my guests had taken photos, but i know the "searching the logs" is not always 100% guaranteed to prove anything.0 -
Also, to reinforce Venus's standpoint, don't forget that we don't know how active/inactive a new CM is. If he stated that griefing will be punished in the Secret Passage, especially on a topic that has been as sensitive as SP, then I think it's safe to say he will enforce that rule.[SIGPIC]Octavia is best pony[/SIGPIC]
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oVenusArmanio wrote: »It's a 3 day ban minimum for first offenses. Continued abuse results in longer bans. I suspect they've been enforcing it pretty well, as well. Because i've been in there several times and it's been empty each time. Theres a reason that there hasn't been over a thousand posts on this issue like last time. Less people are reporting being griefed, because it's not happening as much. Random PK in there is still bannable. The only people can't be banned over it are friends having fun and being respectful of the rules. There's always going to be people who won't listen to the rules regardless. What those griefers are doing is bannable just as much if they said all of it was bannable. They just do not care, and thats what tickets are for.
And once again, it was NOT turned into a pvp area by PWI. They received the patch from China, who forgot to localize it for us. More than likely because of all the other things they were doing for the expansion.
Then China needs to send a patch for it...I don't care who is at fault and I don't care how long the ban is....it should not be allowed period! I will sit on my wallet until it's fixed!0 -
Points to one of the many threads about PVP in the SP because this issue is getting old. It's not something the majority of the player base wants and having to constantly fight every time the devs get lazy has gotten ridiculous. We have been beaten over the head with this so much people don't complain anymore they just leave.
PVP rule enforcement is still a joke. Players can stand in the spawn point of room one and kill everyone entering without a slap on the wrist. Enforcement by log files? Sorry but that is not the answer either. Log file monitoring majorly failed us during the goons fiasco and will do so here. Too many players see creative rule breaking and griefing as fun to allow forced PVP in a low level location.
Now if people truly must have forced blue name PVP, enable it in Morai. There is already a system in place that allows safe PVP and there is no possibility of low levels wandering into an accidental aoe/dagger from stealth/arrow in the back/ ect.0 -
Ohai Carebearz. I didn't see your hijacked QQ thread until just now because i was too busy having a blast in our awesome no dropping pvp instance.
May i just ask this, why U mad? D;
Are you trying to do your fb29? Can you not get to Quingzi? Let's be honest, nobody does FB's unless they're slow in the head. You can get to 5x in 2 frosts.
You all just want something to whine about.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »Ohai Carebearz. I didn't see your hijacked QQ thread until just now because i was too busy having a blast in our awesome no dropping pvp instance.
May i just ask this, why U mad? D;
Are you trying to do your fb29? Can you not get to Quingzi? Let's be honest, nobody does FB's unless they're slow in the head. You can get to 5x in 2 frosts.
You all just want something to whine about.
Sorry but the majority of PVE players want to be able to experience the game without PVP being forced on them. There are also still people that enjoy actual gameplay instead of constant no brianer fc runs. If bypassing the majority of actual game play is your preference, try not to chastise others for their legitimate concerns.0 -
Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »Ohai Carebearz. I didn't see your hijacked QQ thread until just now because i was too busy having a blast in our awesome no dropping pvp instance.
May i just ask this, why U mad? D;
Are you trying to do your fb29? Can you not get to Quingzi? Let's be honest, nobody does FB's unless they're slow in the head. You can get to 5x in 2 frosts.
You all just want something to whine about.
^^This right here exhibits both the mentality and the philosophy that has
ruined PWI for all except those with the . . . well, mentality and philosophy
of Kniraven.0 -
Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »Ohai Carebearz. I didn't see your hijacked QQ thread until just now because i was too busy having a blast in our awesome no dropping pvp instance.
May i just ask this, why U mad? D;
Are you trying to do your fb29? Can you not get to Quingzi? Let's be honest, nobody does FB's unless they're slow in the head. You can get to 5x in 2 frosts.
You all just want something to whine about.
I guess you wouldn't have to worry about being griefed. Since there's only a handful of you left on your server.0 -
Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »Ohai Carebearz. I didn't see your hijacked QQ thread until just now because i was too busy having a blast in our awesome no dropping pvp instance.
May i just ask this, why U mad? D;
Are you trying to do your fb29? Can you not get to Quingzi? Let's be honest, nobody does FB's unless they're slow in the head. You can get to 5x in 2 frosts.
You all just want something to whine about.
I still run that instance on my alts because its fun. Its more fun then doing fc over and over. I dont care about leveling fast, i want to ENJOY the game. Playing the game as it was intended is fun and i know others who feel the same. I still run people through it, but the people like you now prevent me from doing that because you want to pk me.
Whats the excuse for killing me? That i am lvl 80+ and that means im a target. Too bad im in squishy tt80 gear while someone smacks me with their refined 105 gear. It actually ticks me off more when the aholes kill the lvl 40s going in there for bh.
No threat of ban is going to stop them from picking on players without consent. The threat of ban worked soooo well with goonz. Yeah...no it didnt. Neither does any of the other threats of banning. You expect the GMs to keep track of how many times someone kills another without consent? Not happening. So people will just keep getting the temporary ban, then coming back and killing again.0 -
Can i get Banned For accidental Aoe 1 shots?b:shocked0
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BKXX - Raging Tide wrote: »Can i get Banned For accidental Aoe 1 shots?b:shocked
If you are reported yes you can. Which is another reason this is not a good idea.0 -
that's just stupid, if I'm 1v1ing don't run up and stand next to me.0
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BKXX - Raging Tide wrote: »that's just stupid, if I'm 1v1ing don't run up and stand next to me.
Another fun part is the number of players that will not see these warnings or rules regarding the SP because they do not visit the forums.0 -
^^This right here exhibits both the mentality and the philosophy that has
ruined PWI for all except those with the . . . well, mentality and philosophy
of Kniraven.KingCrash - Dreamweaver wrote: »I guess you wouldn't have to worry about being griefed. Since there's only a handful of you left on your server.Oishii - Dreamweaver wrote: »I still run that instance on my alts because its fun. Its more fun then doing fc over and over. I dont care about leveling fast, i want to ENJOY the game. Playing the game as it was intended is fun and i know others who feel the same. I still run people through it, but the people like you now prevent me from doing that because you want to pk me.
Whats the excuse for killing me? That i am lvl 80+ and that means im a target. Too bad im in squishy tt80 gear while someone smacks me with their refined 105 gear. It actually ticks me off more when the aholes kill the lvl 40s going in there for bh.
No threat of ban is going to stop them from picking on players without consent. The threat of ban worked soooo well with goonz. Yeah...no it didnt. Neither does any of the other threats of banning. You expect the GMs to keep track of how many times someone kills another without consent? Not happening. So people will just keep getting the temporary ban, then coming back and killing again.
Guys, if you are play for quests, storyline, and exciting pve content then I hate to be the one to tell you this but you are playing the wrong mmo.
There are maybe 3 decent engaging quests in PW. Almost all of them are kill x mobs for y amount of drops. Even when you're collecting items you just autopath directly to it. There are no puzzles, there is no AI, and there is no variety past 3x.
The only things this MMO has going for it above the competition are:
1. Significantly better player creation system than pretty much any other MMO out there right now.
2. Very good combat mechanics (unbalanced or not)
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ViciousMinx - Dreamweaver wrote: »Now if people truly must have forced blue name PVP, enable it in Morai. There is already a system in place that allows safe PVP and there is no possibility of low levels wandering into an accidental aoe/dagger from stealth/arrow in the back/ ect.
Very bad idea. A lot of us run through Morai daily to get PvE gear and weapons, so we certainly don't want to be stopped from doing this due to forced PvP. If they want to make a forced PvP instance, they need to make it somewhere where there are *no* quests at all and thus somewhere people do not have to go.Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »Guys, if you are play for quests, storyline, and exciting pve content then I hate to be the one to tell you this but you are playing the wrong mmo.
There are maybe 3 decent engaging quests in PW. Almost all of them are kill x mobs for y amount of drops. Even when you're collecting items you just autopath directly to it. There are no puzzles, there is no AI, and there is no variety past 3x.
The only things this MMO has going for it above the competition are:
1. Significantly better player creation system than pretty much any other MMO out there right now.
2. Very good combat mechanics (unbalanced or not)
Some of us enjoy this game for the PvE content. I personally have been here since 2008 and I hate PvP. So just because it isn't fun and engaging to you, doesn't mean that it isn't to anyone else.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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excerptKniraven - Lost City wrote: »Guys, if you are play for quests, storyline, and exciting pve content then I hate to be the one to tell you this but you are playing the wrong mmo.
Another exhibition of the mentality I'm talking about: Players with
an inability to grasp that there are likes & dislikes beyond the narrow
boundaries of their own tastes.0 -
Seriously.
A PVE server should have no forced PVP at all, anywhere, ever.
It's really that simple.
But "SP is PVE" seems to be in the same category as "We turned off the duke's shouts" ; wanmei are incompetent at maintaining branched settings, and will just keep getting reset.
I honestly can't think of a good solution. Maybe allow "Dead inside SP" as an alternate completion condition for the 29-40 quests in there?0 -
Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »Guys, if you are play for quests, storyline, and exciting pve content then I hate to be the one to tell you this but you are playing the wrong mmo.
There are maybe 3 decent engaging quests in PW. Almost all of them are kill x mobs for y amount of drops. Even when you're collecting items you just autopath directly to it. There are no puzzles, there is no AI, and there is no variety past 3x.
The only things this MMO has going for it above the competition are:
1. Significantly better player creation system than pretty much any other MMO out there right now.
2. Very good combat mechanics (unbalanced or not)
You're going to have to accept that there are people who find stuff to be "fun" here, is going to be a very different definition of yours. If you want to surround yourself by people that want to stalk you and think using overpowered toons to kill low-level people is fun, then more power to you. Leave us carebears to our pve and you guys to your pvp, that's what the game's certain servers were designed for. Stop trying to convince everyone otherwise.
Pve server = pve
Pvp server = pvp
Why can't you guys accept that?0 -
KingCrash - Dreamweaver wrote: »You're going to have to accept that there are people who find stuff to be "fun" here, is going to be a very different definition of yours. If you want to surround yourself by people that want to stalk you and think using overpowered toons to kill low-level people is fun, then more power to you. Leave us carebears to our pve and you guys to your pvp, that's what the game's certain servers were designed for. Stop trying to convince everyone otherwise.
Pve server = pve
Pvp server = pvp
Why can't you guys accept that?
/sarcasm <on> because resistance is futile you will be converted to pvp /sarcasm <off>
seriously.. your fighting a losing battle, as you point out each plays for their own reasons, and most myopic thinking expands well beyond PWI.
Just look at the posts of people complaining about how empty the pvp servers are or merging them together. I wonder why that is, but I digress. PvE is here to stay, i just hope they don't break it so much that PWI loses all playability for PVE.
Personally I think they should just leave SP alone (to allow for mechanics they cant fix to work for the rest of the instances) and enforce the no PK rule with real bans that make sense.0 -
Don't we have an arena that no one uses right now?
How about just making that an open pvp area.0 -
thatguy123456 wrote: »Personally I think they should just leave SP alone (to allow for mechanics they cant fix to work for the rest of the instances) and enforce the no PK rule with real bans that make sense.
Several people have mentioned this and to what other instances are you referring, because I'm confused? Is it the arenas? If the arenas are indeed what you are talking about they have not been activated since this game went live and by all reports from the devs in china, they never will be. So any supposed negative effects caused by reverting the SP will never been seen by the players. Also think about the source of that information. It came from the worst CM and biggest liar we have ever had on these forums.0 -
Soul_knife - Dreamweaver wrote: »Several people have mentioned this and to what other instances are you referring, because I'm confused? Is it the arenas? If the arenas are indeed what you are talking about they have not been activated since this game went live and by all reports from the devs in china, they never will be. So any supposed negative effects caused by reverting the SP will never been seen by the players. Also think about the source of that information. It came from the worst CM and biggest liar we have ever had on these forums.
It's not just the Arena's apparently, I've seen several indications that changing the config to make SP non-pvp affects other areas/instances. I agree the original information about this seems suspect, but again, it would just be easier all around to leave it enabled and enforce the bans.. sadly that won't ever happen either.0 -
b:sweat I officially give up. This is my last try.
The GMs did not want this change either. They did not know until they tested the patch. They cannot change it. Only the devs in China can. I don't think this is permanent. The rules are most likely temporary until this can be reverted.
genotypist wrote: »PWI Patch Notes v676 - Released November 14, 2012
Known Issues
- Secret Passage is once again forced-PvP. This will be reverted in a future patch.
The CN version of secret passage is ALWAYS pvp enabled, they like it like that over there. We get patches that are basically copypasta from CN, and when there's a LOT of new content that they have to make sure is mostly translated and works correctly, things like making sure our SP isn't pvp enabled slip under the radar and by the time they send it over they're already working on new things.
b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »b:sweat I officially give up. This is my last try.
The GMs did not want this change either. They did not know until they tested the patch. They cannot change it. Only the devs in China can. I don't think this is permanent. The rules are most likely temporary until this can be reverted.
The CN version of secret passage is ALWAYS pvp enabled, they like it like that over there. We get patches that are basically copypasta from CN, and when there's a LOT of new content that they have to make sure is mostly translated and works correctly, things like making sure our SP isn't pvp enabled slip under the radar and by the time they send it over they're already working on new things.
b:bye
This.
And hey! you stole my red -_-.0
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