PVP in Secret Passage

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Well, I was just in there some minutes ago escorting a 3x guildie who had some quests in there and I didn't get to see a single PKer so it isn't that bad.

b:surrender I did kill a lowbie but that was mostly accidental, guy was either tab targeting like crazy or mistook me for someone in his range but he started attacking my tabby and I PK'd him out of reflex. I mean I was a bit jumpy waiting for a sin or archer to stealth out any minute...

b:sad If someone attacks your pet it does count as self defense right?

Jeremied - Sanctuary

If someone started attacking my veno's tabby, I'd definitely punch them in the face. With a sword.

EDIT: I would consider that self defense. You know, since pets can't really consent to being murdered.

Haila - Sanctuary

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, I was just in there some minutes ago escorting a 3x guildie who had some quests in there and I didn't get to see a single PKer so it isn't that bad.

b:surrender I did kill a lowbie but that was mostly accidental, guy was either tab targeting like crazy or mistook me for someone in his range but he started attacking my tabby and I PK'd him out of reflex. I mean I was a bit jumpy waiting for a sin or archer to stealth out any minute...

b:sad If someone attacks your pet it does count as self defense right?

Maybe that person was trying to help you and thought tabby was attacking you b:surprised

Spectralis - Sanctuary

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Lets be honest here. How often do you people go into Secret Passage anyway?

Your question should be: HOW OFTEN WILL I GO INTO SP AGAIN??

Many ppl believe; they will never have to return to SP cause their toons have already done what it was suppouse to be done there, but the fact is that they always return without knowin it.

Helping guildies, a forgotten undone quest, or the simple fact of creating a new toon, are some of the reasons that will make a veteran player to think again about SP.

With this thought , the player will also add to his/her mind the inconvinience to be there again cause the place is now an open war area, and the ppl in charge to run the game smothly for the gamers, already just said "we will leave it as it is now"

Then, SP will now have 3 problems to deal with: 1) Fighting the mobs to get whatever quest has to be done. 2) Fighting the pkers who can kill u intentionally or not.
3) Trying to secured the safety of whoever u are helping or ur own toon.

This means that a game which is suppouse to be played normaly (and by this i try to say "with the neccesary worries" , is now a game giving more worries than those needed.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Spectralis - Sanctuary wrote: »

Your question should be: HOW OFTEN WILL I GO INTO SP AGAIN??

+1.

I have 12 characters. So I do keep returning to Secret Passage as they level up.

Not to mention as stated, guildies and friends will always need help, which keeps you returning if you are nice enough.

Jax - Momaganon

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1.

I have 12 characters. So I do keep returning to Secret Passage as they level up.

Not to mention as stated, guildies and friends will always need help, which keeps you returning if you are nice enough.

Ah, but apparently PWI doesn't value the nice players among us. It's all about cheaters and gankers. You know, the gooner PK element. At least that's what they've proven time and again.

b:surrender

XRysanx - Lost City

This still going on.............i am now convinced that alot of people here have no understanding what soever as how things run here. Seem like they think this is just s game and a game only.....if that's the case let me help you understand how this works out in the REAL world.

Whether you like it or not this is a business FIRST and a game SECOND which is NOT run by the players or the publisher Perfect World Entertainment but by the OWNER of the game in china, do you know what that means? it mean they call the shots because it belongs to them.....it their sht.........you see all of this the expansions, the game, the classes, the glitches, the r9, the duke, the bosses, the coins, the fashion, the mounts, the smilies, the charms, the culties, the flyers, the bounty hunters, the guy that gives you the bounty hunters and ANYYYTHING else you can think of in this game is theirs but w8...whats that you say? you pay money for your stuff in game so its yours? oh no you got it all wrong buddy in the business world there are two types of products goods and services and what they offer here is a service....a service of entertainment which you cannot take with you or keep for two reasons its still theirs because all they did was allow you to use it threw trade whether you traded real money or in game coin or gold or zen or event gold or tokens or whatever else and because.........none of this stuff actually exists its all virtual you cannot physically posses it. So yea players have little to no say PWE has a little more say but the guys in china who own this **** can do any thing they want because ifs their and they got legal right to is, NOT the publisher who only helps to make it available to others and in return they suck up a portion of owners profit but if they don't feel like not having PW in american and other parts in the world except china then guess what they can do it because it belongs to them same thing goes with the updates no matter how much they and the playerbase hate whats going on PWE has to ask for permission to do certain things unless there's a agreement or contract telling them that they are able to do so without chinas consent orther than that if china says HELL NO xxxx off my files then guess what.........they gotta xxxx off the files and accept it because it isn't there's and if done there could be jail time or someone getting fired or both and so on, that's why we got packs here because they are allowed to do it and take advantage of the opportunity to increase the profit percentage.

Now stop whining because your not entitles to anything here ESPECIALLY since this is a free service and all you goals can be attained for free and if you decide to spend money and you are not satisfied with the service then you can quit or just shut up and get over it.

Welcome to the business worldb:bye

EDIT: Excuse my ugly grammar sorry XD

MANray_ - Sanctuary

XRysanx - Lost City wrote: »

Now stop whining because your not entitles to anything here ESPECIALLY since this is a free service and all you goals can be attained for free and if you decide to spend money and you are not satisfied with the service then you can quit or just shut up and get over it.

Not disagreeing with you but... PWMY much?

DeadRaven - Sanctuary

XRysanx - Lost City wrote: »

Stuff

You are right about PWI being a business. I have frequently emphasized that fact myself in posts written in criticism of certain PWI changes and practices. However, what you are neglecting to acknowledge is that it is an unsuccessful business that fails listen to its customers. You call it "whining" but a smart business person would conceptualize this as feedback about their product.

Also, you seem to dismiss non-cash shoppers as having any right to voice their opinion. However, a smart business person would recognize that a non-cash shopper today is a potential cash shopper tomorrow. In addition, non-cash shoppers make up a significant part of the player base. To ignore the interests of non-cash shoppers or to making any decisions that would alienate them would be to seriously undermine the population of the community. Even cash shoppers will not stick around long if they have no one to play with (or should I say, to one-shot).

You begin by criticizing people for not understanding how the "real world" of business operates but frankly, your post does not suggest that you do either b:surrender

Terrastrike - Lost City

I'm getting Deja Vu here... haven't we been through this all before? I honestly doubt this was intentional, I feel that either you can't find a fix for it, so are pretending to be in control of the situation by saying that it's allowed again, or you can't remember the last time it was made allowed. I understand that you weren't the CM at the time Val, but it seemed like a lot of people on the forums were dead set against the idea of having PVP enabled there, so you guys were able to establish that it was not what the majority of the playerbase wanted, and reverted it.

Jeremied - Sanctuary

Terrastrike - Lost City wrote: »

I'm getting Deja Vu here... haven't we been through this all before? I honestly doubt this was intentional, I feel that either you can't find a fix for it, so are pretending to be in control of the situation by saying that it's allowed again, or you can't remember the last time it was made allowed. I understand that you weren't the CM at the time Val, but it seemed like a lot of people on the forums were dead set against the idea of having PVP enabled there, so you guys were able to establish that it was not what the majority of the playerbase wanted, and reverted it.

genotypist wrote: »

PWI Patch Notes v676 - Released November 14, 2012
Known Issues
- Secret Passage is once again forced-PvP. This will be reverted in a future patch.

Indeed, it wasn't intentional, and they have to wait for the devs in china to crank out the edited code before they can fix it. I'm fairly certain these rules are just temporary place holders to try and control the chaos until it's time to update.

Terrastrike - Lost City

Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »

Indeed, it wasn't intentional, and they have to wait for the devs in china to crank out the edited code before they can fix it. I'm fairly certain these rules are just temporary place holders to try and control the chaos until it's time to update.

You'd think they'd learn from experience, given their long history of failures and mistakes. At the moment the only weekly events I'm able to attend are the 'Find this week's bug in the patch' and 'Spot the latest example of GMs not testing a patch before it's released', though I don't think they give out rewards for those. If they did it would probably cause 'client instability'.

Jeremied - Sanctuary

Even if they do test it (and I'm pretty sure that's what they use old Etherblade server for, since it's not open to the public anymore), when they find stuff like this after advertising the patch for days, do you expect them to just not release it?

The devs just forgot to revert it back to the way we like it due to trying to make sure all the other newer content wasn't broken and was translated correctly. Their SP is always pvp enabled and they like it that way, so we just got theirs back for a bit.

Terrastrike - Lost City

Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »

Even if they do test it (and I'm pretty sure that's what they use old Etherblade server for, since it's not open to the public anymore), when they find stuff like this after advertising the patch for days, do you expect them to just not release it?

The devs just forgot to revert it back to the way we like it due to trying to make sure all the other newer content wasn't broken and was translated correctly. Their SP is always pvp enabled and they like it that way, so we just got theirs back for a bit.

I guess you're probably right... But I'd imagine that they probably have the code to fix it already from last time wouldn't they? I'd have thought that given the strong opposition the change received last time, they'd try to keep this as low profile as possible and push out a quick fix as the majority of other MMOs would most likely do, rather than pretending that it was an intentional patch. b:embarrass

Barber - Heavens Tear

v4liance wrote: »

Hey guys,


If someone kills you against your will, be sure that your screenshot is taken inside the Secret Passage, and includes the text that indicates who killed you. Then submit a ticket.



- Val

After over 4 years of being a member of this game, I'm pretty sure how the people know how good the staff gets around to answering or addressing tickets that are submitted [/sarcasm] 8-|

Allisandre - Sanctuary

Terrastrike - Lost City wrote: »

I guess you're probably right... But I'd imagine that they probably have the code to fix it already from last time wouldn't they? I'd have thought that given the strong opposition the change received last time, they'd try to keep this as low profile as possible and push out a quick fix as the majority of other MMOs would most likely do, rather than pretending that it was an intentional patch. b:embarrass

Yeah, as I've said before, all they have to do is change one line in one file on the server, then restart the Secret Passage map.

But, PW-CN won't let our Dev's touch any of the files on the server, and the PW-CN team is too lazy to bother with fixing something this simple.

Terrastrike - Lost City

Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah, as I've said before, all they have to do is change one line in one file on the server, then restart the Secret Passage map.

But, PW-CN won't let our Dev's touch any of the files on the server, and the PW-CN team is too lazy to bother with fixing something this simple.

Aww.. well in that case I doubt we'll get snowmen again this year, despite a player actually finding and giving the GMs the code last year.. b:sad

Spectralis - Sanctuary

Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah, as I've said before, all they have to do is change one line in one file on the server, then restart the Secret Passage map.

But, PW-CN won't let our Dev's touch any of the files on the server, and the PW-CN team is too lazy to bother with fixing something this simple.

They should pay attention to the gamers's needs with the same enthusiasm PWI Boutique sells items every month or announnce their famous "Chances packs"+ other type of garabage for sell too.

If we are payin to play this so-called "F2P game", we also have the right to voice out our discontent when we feel the game isn't right for us.

Rossaria - Sanctuary

I would not mind pk in SP IF there was some kind of system which would ask you to turn pk mode on or off. Everyone would choose.
Imho I don't believe that sending tickets would solve anything..
There will ALWAYS be someone who will kill the littles. b:sad

Jeremied - Sanctuary

Terrastrike - Lost City wrote: »

I guess you're probably right... But I'd imagine that they probably have the code to fix it already from last time wouldn't they? I'd have thought that given the strong opposition the change received last time, they'd try to keep this as low profile as possible and push out a quick fix as the majority of other MMOs would most likely do, rather than pretending that it was an intentional patch. b:embarrass

The US team has no game devs, and I think they may be bound by some sort of legal contract to NOT edit the game without permission. (Not including the cash shop)

Not to mention, the code to change it might not have been saved, since it came from China and the US team isn't supposed to touch it.

I've been running around SP on my tiny mystic once a day or so to check the situation. It's been completely empty every time since these rules were implemeted, I was not poked once. The only time I know people were pvping in there was about 20 minutes before the last maint.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

I've randomly checked SP in last week and I saw no PvP activity at all....but I may just missed it.

Jeremied - Sanctuary

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've randomly checked SP in last week and I saw no PvP activity at all....but I may just missed it.

b:chuckle I wonder if everyone is saving their charm for NW?

Colum - Raging Tide

I am happy to notice at least some RT players respect questers... only bad thing is that they seem to think me as lvl 100 barb to automatical kill target even if I say I just want to chill out and buff friends.. meh.

XRysanx - Lost City

DeadRaven - Sanctuary wrote: »

You are right about PWI being a business. I have frequently emphasized that fact myself in posts written in criticism of certain PWI changes and practices. However, what you are neglecting to acknowledge is that it is an unsuccessful business that fails listen to its customers. You call it "whining" but a smart business person would conceptualize this as feedback about their product.

Also, you seem to dismiss non-cash shoppers as having any right to voice their opinion. However, a smart business person would recognize that a non-cash shopper today is a potential cash shopper tomorrow. In addition, non-cash shoppers make up a significant part of the player base. To ignore the interests of non-cash shoppers or to making any decisions that would alienate them would be to seriously undermine the population of the community. Even cash shoppers will not stick around long if they have no one to play with (or should I say, to one-shot).

You begin by criticizing people for not understanding how the "real world" of business operates but frankly, your post does not suggest that you do either b:surrender

LOL when did i say it was a GOOD business.

I agree with you but the situation is different here Since they seem to do the opposite of what your saying.

As far a whining goes i think everyone here can agree not every complaint people make about this game is worth being even heard(talking about the really unreasonable ones) but also not saying there are not things that should be heard.

I never said we as non-chash shoppers have no voice after all it is a legal right for us but what i am saying is that they don't HAVE to listen that's what people seem to forget, they can either ignore them(which is a smart thing to do at time) or take into consideration whats being said(if they don't have a better solution).

XRysanx - Lost City

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you but... PWMY much?

Nope but i have to say that what i was saying only applies to PWI only.

As for PWMY i had nothing to say about it because:

1. I believe that PWMY is being published by another company which manages the game differently from PWE and like I said(see first statement)

2. Such statements would be kinda redundant because (see first statement)

3. I don't know much about PWMY nor would i say anything about that version because i hate talking out of ignorance.(unless that's by mistake because of being misinformed or something XD)

FayHumming - Dreamweaver

b:chuckle PWI GM getting low paid but still a job. PWI dont care about fix anything.

Lavendarfae - Raging Tide

Sadly I found another interesting problem with PK in the SP. While trying to kill a mob a player killed my level 39 veno's pet. This was not accidental. They targeted them with a bow. No AOE. This doesnt show up in the message bar other than your pet is dead. Now I guess I get to buy food to raise my pet's loyality back to the max, but still.... really?

I wish that this community had people who were respectful enough of other players to be able to handle a pk zone while allowing us who have quests to go on our merry way, but this never does appear to ever be the case.

And I realize that this is suppose to be fixed (or maybe not - it does not seem that clear from the various messages to me), but that was freaking annoying.

GumyBear - Raging Tide

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

I am happy to notice at least some RT players respect questers...

Very few do. I was in there yesterday to help a newbie with Shade Eido. They purposely killed him twice and almost killed my toon. Then they told me I should have asked for permission to pass threw first. b:angry


And another thing, no one wants to help a lowbie while they are in there. I was in there for Shade Eido, on my little bm. I probably asked for help about 6 times and no answer from them. If they are going to be in there pking, then they should take a few mins out of pking and help. I mean damn, those mini bosses in there will only take them a min or 2 to kill!! b:angry

BKXIX - Heavens Tear

Just to apologies to all people who have died to my aoes its not deliberate

b:surrender

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

well, i argued to get this allowed, and it worked, but no one is ever in SP other then an archer who says constantly that if you attack him your getting banned
b:surrender