Very UNFAIR rules for Magic Classes

Mr_Punkster - Dreamweaver

here's a thought...

Instead of QQing about aps vs no caster glitch...roll an aps character...get aps gear AND the refines.

Then you will see how much actually goes into achieving 5aps with the refines to back it up. So the people who had to work hard, or CS a lot, for the aps gear shouldn't have the rewards?

oooor how 'bout this...

Join or create a guild which will run regular Nirvana with a mix of caster and aps. With all the QQers I'm sure there would be enough to get one started.

I mean seriously, be happy you have caster Nirvy AT ALL. You CAN do both types...just need to use your QQ time more wisely. If you can't do either of those two options, then you might as well ragequit.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Mr_Punkster - Dreamweaver wrote: »

here's a thought...

Instead of QQing about aps vs no caster glitch...roll an aps character...get aps gear AND the refines.

Then you will see how much actually goes into achieving 5aps with the refines to back it up. So the people who had to work hard, or CS a lot, for the aps gear shouldn't have the rewards?

oooor how 'bout this...

Join or create a guild which will run regular Nirvana with a mix of caster and aps. With all the QQers I'm sure there would be enough to get one started.

I mean seriously, be happy you have caster Nirvy AT ALL. You CAN do both types...just need to use your QQ time more wisely. If you can't do either of those two options, then you might as well ragequit.

Really. You know how much I spent on my wizy. Same maybe even more than you on APS.
Ence star from pack=30 millions
Rank=millions
Dancing sparkle= 30millions
-6% channeling robe=50millions
cube necklace=97millions
Warsong belt=60millions
And it was years ago. When millions was huge money.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »

I couldn't help but feel inclined to put alittle something on that what i highlighted, considering your not actually talking to me lol.

Thing i find wrong with this entire picture is that the people that complain, complain about how aps has ruined that game and how everyone feels forced to either play a sin to make profit etc etc etc and whole argument being "thats not how it's meant to be played, it isn't fair."

and no matter what you say, no matter what fair en reasonable arguments or examples you give they will nitpick about anything everything and everyone's mother's brother's sister's uncle's dog to be told "you're right".

If they really want to take it that far, i can easily retort that if they want to play the game it "should be played" in regards to nirvana, Caster nirvana shouldn't even be in existance.
Because it wasn't there to begin with an nirvana was/is supposed to be ran with multiple classes, as was intended.

but oh boy the riot if you ever bring that upb:surrender

you do not wana go there do you.
how are cata barb in this melee statistic
melee is not only all about aps so before you drag the poor caster into the normal nv
cant wait to hear what lies your gona tell us how we normal barbs gona compare to aps normal nv runs.
normal runs is aps nv and if you think for just a sec that a rainbow nv can be just as good please tell me what drugs your on cos i sure could use some.

so regular nv is aps and caster runs is caster type
where is rainbow nv we sure could use one

GM make us cata barb a ranbow nv plz with 6 time drop rate unlimited times with big damage buff plz.

hmm let see non aps only spamm skill get affected why positive buffs.Barb ream 100% agro stealer and Gm plz give us big boost to we wana be done in less then 7 min with only 3 barbs or less plz

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

Mr_Punkster - Dreamweaver wrote: »

here's a thought...

Instead of QQing about aps vs no caster glitch...roll an aps character...get aps gear AND the refines.

Then you will see how much actually goes into achieving 5aps with the refines to back it up. So the people who had to work hard, or CS a lot, for the aps gear shouldn't have the rewards?

oooor how 'bout this...

Join or create a guild which will run regular Nirvana with a mix of caster and aps. With all the QQers I'm sure there would be enough to get one started.

I mean seriously, be happy you have caster Nirvy AT ALL. You CAN do both types...just need to use your QQ time more wisely. If you can't do either of those two options, then you might as well ragequit.

ok then i want a refund on my gear plz tha tis 4 pieces of r9 armor piece +10
that should sum it up.

5aps is TO CHEAP TO HAVE what it have

i totally agre if ppl put tons of money they should get what they paid for so plz i want a refund cos aps stealling from me and its to cheap.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Really. You know how much I spent on my wizy. Same maybe even more than you on APS.
Ence star from pack=30 millions
Rank=millions
Dancing sparkle= 30millions
-6% channeling robe=50millions
cube necklace=97millions
Warsong belt=60millions
And it was years ago. When millions was huge money.

If you paid that much for those things years ago you are a moron, they barely cost that now if you know how to shop.

And if your point was "ohhh my caster costs sooo much more than an aps toon" well here's news for you my cleric to get the nice set up I have on him cost me around 300 mil I think (value of gear not what I spent as I farmed for what I could), my 5 aps sage sin's (again farmed all but my pangu and rank gear (pangu i pked off a noob b:chuckle)) gear is worth well over 1 bil in coin.


Casters have it easy on gear r8 is good gear you can get by in any faction with r8, but a meele toon with just r8 is laughed at because people expect high aps (or if you are a barb high hp, but that is a different cost entirely)

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you paid that much for those things years ago you are a moron, they barely cost that now if you know how to shop.

And if your point was "ohhh my caster costs sooo much more than an aps toon" well here's news for you my cleric to get the nice set up I have on him cost me around 300 mil I think (value of gear not what I spent as I farmed for what I could), my 5 aps sage sin's (again farmed all but my pangu and rank gear (pangu i pked off a noob b:chuckle)) gear is worth well over 1 bil in coin.


Casters have it easy on gear r8 is good gear you can get by in any faction with r8, but a meele toon with just r8 is laughed at because people expect high aps (or if you are a barb high hp, but that is a different cost entirely)

Apparently you didn't play at that time.b:surrender

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you paid that much for those things years ago you are a moron, they barely cost that now if you know how to shop.

And if your point was "ohhh my caster costs sooo much more than an aps toon" well here's news for you my cleric to get the nice set up I have on him cost me around 300 mil I think (value of gear not what I spent as I farmed for what I could), my 5 aps sage sin's (again farmed all but my pangu and rank gear (pangu i pked off a noob b:chuckle)) gear is worth well over 1 bil in coin.


Casters have it easy on gear r8 is good gear you can get by in any faction with r8, but a meele toon with just r8 is laughed at because people expect high aps (or if you are a barb high hp, but that is a different cost entirely)

if ur gona say the cost of aps again ill say that its to low

just r9 +10 axe alone cost all the 5aps +10 or more
and i would still lose agro so again if you compare cost your gona lose

aps is to cheap and it should eh be nurfed or changed to reflect the true cost to have with it currently have

much like channeling in gearing then i could stand the tho of listning on this bs

wana compare todays cost hmmm cos no matter what server we are in i am sure its gona be the same thing.


b:bye so again come with something real

give me a reason as why aps is so stinking cheap and can do the best agro solo farming

i dare you

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Been playing since 5 days before the genie expansion. I know how the price of things have changed. I remember 100k gold in the AH and 5 mil for a DoT. 5 Aps is the thrid most costly build, r9 1st, full nirvana 2nd. If you paid those outrages prices years ago as I said you are a moron and one of the many morons responsible for how the economy in this game has gone to hell if you pay it they'll sell it for more, draw a line in the sand and learn how to bargain hunt.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »

if ur gona say the cost of aps again ill say that its to low

just r9 +10 axe alone cost all the 5aps +10 or more
and i would still lose agro so again if you compare cost your gona lose

aps is to cheap and it should eh be nurfed or changed to reflect the true cost to have with it currently have

much like channeling in gearing then i could stand the tho of listning on this bs

wana compare todays cost hmmm cos no matter what server we are in i am sure its gona be the same thing.


b:bye so again come with something real

give me a reason as why aps is so stinking cheap and can do the best agro solo farming

i dare you

Do try and read and then form complete thoughts and sentences for your response if you are going to qoute me.

But since you Dared me

I compared a 5 aps SAGE SIN to a casters using r8

1) 5 aps (sage sin or otherwise) takes r8 so the cost is more

There I proved it being 5 aps costs more than being an r8 caster (which r8 is prefectly fine gear for casters if you want better well there is better than high aps too)

Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

Been playing since 5 days before the genie expansion. I know how the price of things have changed. I remember 100k gold in the AH and 5 mil for a DoT. 5 Aps is the thrid most costly build, r9 1st, full nirvana 2nd. If you paid those outrages prices years ago as I said you are a moron and one of the many morons responsible for how the economy in this game has gone to hell if you pay it they'll sell it for more, draw a line in the sand and learn how to bargain hunt.

I think Mum has proved many times she is a moron, lol. I wouldn't pay her much attention.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »

I think Mum has proved many times she is a moron, lol. I wouldn't pay her much attention.

And what did you prove from join date dec.2011?b:chuckle

Raapy - Raging Tide

Stoping QQing about how much time Caster and Normal nirvana is done, u always say high aps squads do it in 10 minutes, and caster nirvana squad in 30 or more, but u never saw how strong the casters in squads are if u take all +10 DDs it would be faster.Low aps Squads will take longer too, it will be as hard for a low aps player as for a low refined caster, both will need to use time farming or CS.
But what is more important the drops in Caster are better, for example Rapture Drop rate in caster =88%, in normal = 56% and in normal u get in the max 2 raps, i'm not sure but i think in caster u can get more than that - i saw in a squad more than 2 raps being droped, but i'm not sure if it was a 2x or not.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Raapy - Raging Tide wrote: »

Stoping QQing about how much time Caster and Normal nirvana is done, u always say high aps squads do it in 10 minutes, and caster nirvana squad in 30 or more, but u never saw how strong the casters in squads are if u take all +10 DDs it would be faster. Squad will take longer too, it will be as hard for a low aps player as for a low refined caster, both will need to use time farming or CS.
But what is more important the drops in Caster are better, for example Rapture Drop rate in caster =88%, in normal = 56% and in normal u get in the max 2 raps, i'm not sure but i think in caster u can get more than that - i saw in a squad more than 2 raps being droped, but i'm not sure if it was a 2x or not.

Many time in normal drop rates we didn't get any raptures. You are lucky if you get rapture in normal not 2x drop rate. And lucky if you get 1 canny for every squad member.
And as i said R8+10 still take about 20 minutes at least.

Raapy - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And what did you prove from join date dec.2011?b:chuckle

Join Date can be different than the real one, my join date here shows as Jan 2011, and my first activity on Core Connect was October 10th, 2010 when i stood 12h logged straight (i think my account was created in the beggining of 2010, i got to 20 and stop for some months then came back), anyways, the forum shows that i started 1 year later ( i think he shows when u started using forum), and he could had another account before this one.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Many time in normal drop rates we didn't get any raptures. You are lucky if you get rapture in normal not 2x drop rate. And lucky if you get 1 canny for every squad member.
And as i said R8+10 still take about 20 minutes at least.

I've run Caster Nirvana in about 12 minutes with 2+10 Psys, a +12 R9 Mystic, a +10 cleric, and 2 others that weren't that highly refined, I did it in about 15 minutes without the Mystic.

Caster Nirvana isn't as slow as you seem to thinkb:cute

Raapy - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Many time in normal drop rates we didn't get any raptures. You are lucky if you get rapture in normal not 2x drop rate. And lucky if you get 1 canny for every squad member.
And as i said R8+10 still take about 20 minutes at least.

Caster Squads arent the only to not get Raptures in normal rate too...

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Raapy - Raging Tide wrote: »

Join Date can be different than the real one, my join date here shows as Jan 2011, and my first activity on Core Connect was October 22nd, 2010 when i got lvl 40 (i think my account was created in the beggining of 2010, i got to 20 and stop for some months then came back), anyways, the forum shows that i started 1 year later ( i think he shows when u started using forum), and he could had another account before this one.

Sure then why he is not using his first account? This character is also dead and I'm still using this avatar. I will not argue with some1 who join few month ago, because he would know literally nothing about game.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've run Caster Nirvana in about 12 minutes with 2+10 Psys, a +12 R9 Mystic, a +10 cleric, and 2 others that weren't that highly refined, I did it in about 15 minutes without the Mystic.

Caster Nirvana isn't as slow as you seem to thinkb:cute

+12 R9 mystic. We spoke about R8 +10. Not About R9 +12. It's HUGE difference.

Raapy - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sure then why he is not using his first account? This character is also dead and I'm still using this avatar. I will not argue with some1 who join few month ago, because he would know literally nothing about game.

I noticed u avoided my first argument

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Raapy - Raging Tide wrote: »

Caster Squads arent the only to not get Raptures in normal rate too...

Sure.but you were telling about better drop rate. Many times we didn't get even 6 cannies. And sometime boss doesn't drop anything.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Raapy - Raging Tide wrote: »

I noticed u avoided my first argument

No I didn't. Personally I started playing this game in 02 February. 2009. I joined to the forum couple months later also. I just don't see point to changing avatar always, when I made new account and join to the forum.

Raapy - Raging Tide

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've run Caster Nirvana in about 12 minutes with 2+10 Psys, a +12 R9 Mystic, a +10 cleric, and 2 others that weren't that highly refined, I did it in about 15 minutes without the Mystic.

Caster Nirvana isn't as slow as you seem to thinkb:cute

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+12 R9 mystic. We spoke about R8 +10. Not About R9 +12. It's HUGE difference.

He said about his time without Mystic too...
And as i see there are only 2 or 3 +10 DDs (counting the cleric that can DD too, when another cleric is BBing)

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Raapy - Raging Tide wrote: »

He said about his time without Mystic too...
And as i see there are only 2 or 3 +10 DDs (counting the cleric that can DD too, when another cleric is BBing)

Sorry maybe I overlook that. But I can swear to you I was in many, many caster nirvana and find 5 people +10(cleric is healing) is extremely rare and I never ever was in that squad. And Zanryu he's main is APS character so he has personal interest to agree with you.

Raapy - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sure.but you were telling about better drop rate. Many times we didn't get even 6 cannies. And sometime boss doesn't drop anything.

We are dealing with percentage that only depends on two things numbers and luck, casters have the advantage in the numbers,and the luck, one day u cant even get 6 cannies, but the same goes for normal, but if u are lucky u'll get definetely more than the normal, Luck cannot be used as an argument.

Raapy - Raging Tide

I need to go now, i'll be back tomorrow b:bye

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Raapy - Raging Tide wrote: »

We are dealing with percentage that only depends on two things numbers and luck, casters have the advantage in the numbers,and the luck, one day u cant even get 6 cannies, but the same goes for normal, but if u are lucky u'll get definetely more than the normal, Luck cannot be used as an argument.

Also in normal nirvana is 6 bosses if I remember correctly. So you have higher probability to get more drops. In caster is just 5 bosses.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Raapy - Raging Tide wrote: »

I need to go now, i'll be back tomorrow b:bye

See ya.b:bye

Trump - Raging Tide

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ok then since tailsman are so unfair, lets just remove them from game and then everyone can just do regular nirvana. Oh wait timer doesn't sound so bad then does it?

+1 b:bye

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

at least I think that we can all agree that OP is bat**** crazy (*gives traz a cookie*); qq's about timeout and then wants practically to set that timeout to zero? I suspect that he cannot do a run each day and doesnt want any other casters to be able to do caster nirvy....

in any case, I dont see why it wouldnt be fair to give casters 3 non-expiring talismans plus 1 from bh1 or an option for compined talisman-key. dunno, make a fridge expansion store that we can buy and preserve the talismans lol

Sagek - Sanctuary

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

at least I think that we can all agree that OP is bat**** crazy (*gives traz a cookie*); qq's about timeout and then wants practically to set that timeout to zero? I suspect that he cannot do a run each day and doesnt want any other casters to be able to do caster nirvy....

in any case, I dont see why it wouldnt be fair to give casters 3 non-expiring talismans plus 1 from bh1 or an option for compined talisman-key. dunno, make a fridge expansion store that we can buy and preserve the talismans lol

I like that your name has potato in it.