Working together, working with a Mystic...ijs
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Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »That sums up all the thread pretty nicely.
No, BH Metal/Fire are paths in Warsong City. Filled with magical aoeing mobs that hit pretty hard.
What sums up what? Could you TRY to remember Im a noob please? Gees...b:shutup0 -
Im sorry Xainou, but I fail to see how what happens with me in a BH sums up my entire thread. My thread is about the possibility of people working with Mystics better.
Its not a BM v. Mystic War, a Brillance v. Xainou War, or a place to make snotty comments to feel superior.
How does what a barb does with me in a BH relate to people needing to know that the red & white plants on the ground will heal them if they simply change their position to get within range?
And yes, I have enjoyed the discussion about seals, and already said you guys sold me, although tons of people seem to be able to 'deal' with it anyway.
Do barbs particularly enjoy seals more for some reason Idk about? And thats why its sums up the whole thread? o.00 -
Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »not a place to make snotty comments to feel superior.
Take that advice yourself.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »Take that advice yourself.
Yes, you should. Dont try to twist something...anwser the question, if you can.
If you cant tell me what you are talking about, well that just speaks for itself, imho.
Im not leaving the forums Xainou - Im finding it very easy to stay. ^^ b:thanks0 -
The threads topic is about helping people work better with Mystics.
I am going to go play the game now for a bit. I will weed through the personal attacks, insults, and any good posts I find when I get back to the thread.
Happy PWing everyone! b:pleased0 -
The threads topic is about helping people work better with Mystics.
Is there anything else anyone has found that people dont already know about working with a Mystic? If so, I would love to see it posted.
I am going to go play the game now for a bit. I will weed through the personal attacks, insults, and any good posts I find when I get back to the thread.
Happy PWing everyone! b:pleased[/QUOTE]
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Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »I dont see why you get pissed off, unless you felt like your char should be the center of attention. You will not lose DD with a Mystics DD added to your own, and as said the few mobs that do flee run right back...into your Vortex. Find a Mystic that everyone calls PRO on your server and try it. Its a lot faster that relying only on the sin and your Vortex. DONT CHASE IT, I don't.
Even though I am Sage, I have a spell to help with Chi, and I even have Cloud Eruption on my genie. Surely replacing Chi is not a frailty in the mechanics of a BM, is it?
not every squad have a seeker for vortex. or a wizzy for db. dont chase it? how about just dont use gale force first and use it when the mobs have lil hp so you can finish them off with gale force. it is very annoying to bm and its not efficient either when you can just not use gale force and aoe debuff the mobs first. make a bm or barb and see how annoying gale force is. you talking about player adjusting to the way mystics are how about think of an efficient way to work together. who is the aoe tanker? most likely always the bms. barbs are almost extinct, seekers arent always there. bms does efficient dmg. hf>1-2 aoe mobs dead and if the mobs were debuffed with plants/lysing they'd b dead after an hf, along with other's aoe sin/psy/veno/archer w/e. while bm hf> mystic gale force>mobs runs all over> mobs comes back hf debuff's gone> aoe>aoe>aoe... and/or some squishy range aoe(psy/archer) will most likely gain agro by now or some other aoe range. sounds less ifficient to me.
talking about ff only not other instances.0 -
Ok wow... Brillance only thing i gotta say i kinda thought you were a "good" mystic but when you started to lie about your damage it kinda got >_> embarrassing. Mystics can't do 227k with gale force or thicket. Until higher lvls. Ik i ready hit bosses over 80k with thicket with a +4 Aquadash but noooo way you hit 227k or whatever it was...... Point is don't lie Q_Q i didn't read last 3ish pages because i was bored and wanted to respond with some bs >:D Until you get +storm mistress leech+sage/demon spark-rapid growth-lucky break-gale force combo you won't be dealing that kinda of damage......0
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Im not lying. I was told I did 270K with two spells and on more than 1 occasion over the Summer. Thicket followed by Gale Force. You also see crits procing throughout the large pull in FC. I am amazed how many mystics never tried it.
But as Ive said for the 100th time Im making adjustments. Btw, BMs dont like lysing Befuddling Creeper either. Learned that tonight. xD
My thread asks for things that people need to know about working with Mystics.
Did I cover it? Theres only 2 things? o.00 -
Nice assumptions. And I dunno who told you that but it's pretty impossible. lol
And yes, dont debuff with creeper when you see icy spikes shooting from the ground. That's an actually skilled bm doing his job there...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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When you see Ice spikes, that's a Blademaster skill that AOE debuffs physical and magical defence. Lysing Creeper there would overwrite Blademaster's debuff to your lower creeper debuffs.
To simply avoid such things, ask the Blademaster what he is going to use for AOEs. If they are not going to use Glacial Spike you can use lysing the creeper.
I used to have a Mystic lvl90 myself (restarting one at the moment, deleted old for personal reasons). I used to open with lysing the creeper and let the seeker vortex/use their AOEs. Usually I had no time to throw in a second AOE attack because the mobs were dead. I was also using the Misstress by the way. While I was lysing, the Misstress was doing her AOE. But for the really big pulls, I'd use the Cragglord.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »Im not lying. I was told I did 270K with two spells and on more than 1 occasion over the Summer. Thicket followed by Gale Force. You also see crits procing throughout the large pull in FC. I am amazed how many mystics never tried it.
So you're saying you do 270k damage with a combo of Thicket and Gale Force? at level 98? Is this with HF? Leeched mistress? Rapid Growth? I'm pretty sure I don't hit that high without the combo I've just mentioned and I am now R8 with Sage Gale Force, Sage Wood Mastery and Sage Rapid Growth... If I'm lucky enough to crit Gale Force on HF its around 85k in FF.0 -
maybe with +10 lvl 95 gold lunar weaps+3 spark+mistress leach+rapid growth
and hf+mind break(veno's skill: causes magic defense reduced by 100%)
idk about the math part but that's my guessing cos the lvl 95 gold lunar is lvl 13 weap if u refine to +10 and saph gem lvl 11 or icebourn lvl 12 gem(it'd b a waste to shard +refine this weap with it =.=, you can get nirvy stage 2 with the coins u shard/refine then work on refine/shard after the nirvy stage2) it would hit pretty hard. and she could b pure mag build(5 vit,54 strength, 5 dex, rest to mag) and its thicket+gale force. not thicket alone. and it could crit at a moment. and with 100% magic def reduction+hf debuff it might be possible.
either that or the user is delusional at night(sleepy,lack of sleep,plays too much) thinkin 270k instead of 27k. either way pics would be a good source of prove.
not many bms use glacial spike only hf first. if there are 2 bms maybe and chi woulnt be efficient unless they have genie chi skill. and there's also the other plant that reduce dmg the mobs deal and the dmg plants too so you dont have to use befuding all the time, I dont at boss if the barb devour50% i believe,veno's debuff 35%? i know sage is 40% idk about lvl 10(also armor break 100%), cleric 35% debuff(40% lvl 11).0 -
Baby_pho - Heavens Tear wrote: »not many bms use glacial spike only hf first. if there are 2 bms maybe and chi woulnt be efficient unless they have genie chi skill.
Typical Mode is:
3 Spark -> Cloud Erupt -> HF -> Attack.
With 2+ BMs you just rotate HFs and everyone 3 sparks.
However, in bigger fights (like Trials), that is used, and then GS and HF are rotated to keep the rest of the APS and Caster crowd amped until Cloud Erupt is back.
It is possible to do HF -> Attack or Cloud Erupt -> GS. I've done this in Nirvana with 3 sins. Typically damage output wise, the increase from 3 spark plus HF is better.
Really, just communicate with the BM on that plant. Outside of Trials and not having a Seeker to QPQ HF onto un-ampable mobs in Nirvana, I can't think of any other reasonable areas to use GS.
Other instance wise, the BM should really be 3 sparking and HFing. The fights don't last long enough or there aren't enough APS classes for GS to really matter.
And yes, the BMs hate it when the mobs run. But some of us are big girls and can deal with it.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »Typical Mode is:
3 Spark -> Cloud Erupt -> HF -> Attack.
With 2+ BMs you just rotate HFs and everyone 3 sparks.
However, in bigger fights (like Trials), that is used, and then GS and HF are rotated to keep the rest of the APS and Caster crowd amped until Cloud Erupt is back.
It is possible to do HF -> Attack or Cloud Erupt -> GS. I've done this in Nirvana with 3 sins. Typically damage output wise, the increase from 3 spark plus HF is better.
Really, just communicate with the BM on that plant. Outside of Trials and not having a Seeker to QPQ HF onto un-ampable mobs in Nirvana, I can't think of any other reasonable areas to use GS.
Other instance wise, the BM should really be 3 sparking and HFing. The fights don't last long enough or there aren't enough APS classes for GS to really matter.
And yes, the BMs hate it when the mobs run. But some of us are big girls and can deal with it.
i was only talking about FF in my earlier post on mobs only cause someone said bm hates befuding mist in FF which i dont get why would they unless the bm would do gs after they hf the FF mobs after a pull.0 -
Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »Nice assumptions. And I dunno who told you that but it's pretty impossible. lol
And yes, dont debuff with creeper when you see icy spikes shooting from the ground. That's an actually skilled bm doing his job there...
Really? So what you are saying is if a barb did a full pull, Idk...in the last room in FC. And a Mystic, once the whole crew of mobs is sitting in a nice ball around the barb & other meleers right in front of him/her (I play front line, and am not back with the rest of the range/mage), targets something and throws a Thicket, then in the next second throws out a Gale Force, there is simply no way they can do 270K damage in that move?
Idk how many mobs are in a full pull in the last room of FC, but someone picked the number 50 for a previous example, and although I think there may be more than 50 in the big pull in the last room, we will stick with that number.
270,000 damage divided by 50 mobs equals 5400 damage per mob. Idk what the level is of those mobs in the last room, but Im pretty confident I am not 1 shotting them. I know with a good BM, I dont have to set up to repeat the process, and everyone moves on to the next fight.
If each mob averages 5400 HP, then Im pretty confident almost any lvl 85 Mystic could solo FC without timing out, lol.
I dont see how its impossible, and Im wondering why some Mystics arent claiming they've done higher. Afterall, like most everything else I know about being a Mystic that I didnt learn on my own the hard way, it all comes from reading this forum. Including Thicket followed by Gale Force AoE use.b:victory
Unless of course, they never tried.0 -
Syedora - Sanctuary wrote: »When you see Ice spikes, that's a Blademaster skill that AOE debuffs physical and magical defence. Lysing Creeper there would overwrite Blademaster's debuff to your lower creeper debuffs.
To simply avoid such things, ask the Blademaster what he is going to use for AOEs. If they are not going to use Glacial Spike you can use lysing the creeper.
I used to have a Mystic lvl90 myself (restarting one at the moment, deleted old for personal reasons). I used to open with lysing the creeper and let the seeker vortex/use their AOEs. Usually I had no time to throw in a second AOE attack because the mobs were dead. I was also using the Misstress by the way. While I was lysing, the Misstress was doing her AOE. But for the really big pulls, I'd use the Cragglord.
Thanks so much for the input Syedora. Communication seems to be becoming more and more important as I level. Im surprised more and more squad leaders AREN'T getting people onto someones Vent if they can, to make that communication painless.
Then again, it might not matter if everyone on the run is speaking different languages, lol.
I tried Craggy too for the first time last night, and Im not sure he did anything lol.
Like I said above, I play frontline, and when I spawned him then attacked, he just seemed to stand perfectly still. No one made any comments, so Im trying him again next time to see what happens. Not sure if that was the close quarters or something I wasnt doing right.
I appreciate the clues on what to look for, and when to use lysing Befudding Creeper a whole lot, thanks again. b:thanks0 -
Baby_pho - Heavens Tear wrote: »i was only talking about FF in my earlier post on mobs only cause someone said bm hates befuding mist in FF which i dont get why would they unless the bm would do gs after they hf the FF mobs after a pull.
Absolutely, I just didn't want any of the Mystics to think "OMG THEY USE GS ALL THE TIME! AND HATE US CAUSE MOBS RUN TOO!". Pretty far from the truth actually - it's really only for Nirvana and Trials.
I personally love working with mystics in multiple zones and have since 85, other than the mobs running being annoying, I've had zero issues and prefer them over clerics in many areas.
The GS thing should not be an issue at all in FF, or you may have a pole BM, which means you may want a new squad or a new BM.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »Idk how many mobs are in a full pull in the last room of FC, but someone picked the number 50 for a previous example, and although I think there may be more than 50 in the big pull in the last room, we will stick with that number.
Provided Im not losing my mind having done the place 100's of times.
50 mobs. 110-125k hp each.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »Provided Im not losing my mind having done the place 100's of times.
50 mobs. 110-125k hp each.
Well, that seems like it would justify calling 270K damage "the tip of the iceberg", lol xD0 -
Well in that case I can do a million damage. Just give me a few hundred mobs to hit for 10k each... lol
Still wonder how they could even guess your damage that exactly. Thicket does not even show up in my OWN damage log...
Edit: Actually. 270k/50 mobs = 5400 dmg per mob. That's pretty damn low for pure magic and that combo... hmm.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Ugh....I swear I need to take my own advice and leave when I should....but stupditiy always perks my interest...more or less to see how far it goes and my god...
I think Brillance named herself so, so, SO ****ing wrong. WTB> Name change scroll to "IdiotMysticofRT", PM ME PRICE kthnx!Nothing worthwhile to mention here, enjoy the animated signature~
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this makes me rofl x.x'0
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Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »Well in that case I can do a million damage. Just give me a few hundred mobs to hit for 10k each... lol
Still wonder how they could even guess your damage that exactly. Thicket does not even show up in my OWN damage log...
Edit: Actually. 270k/50 mobs = 5400 dmg per mob. That's pretty damn low for pure magic and that combo... hmm.
No clue how anyone guesses anyones damage. *shrugs*
C'mon...dont you remember? Its impossible! xD
AND, believe it or not, a lot of people dont seem to know about Sally's Def buff, which annoys me. I summon her, drain my mana, then when its time to pull, EVEN AFTER COMMUNICATING I HAD THE BUFF READY FOR THEM, the person doing the pull just hops off and runs WITHOUT the buff.
I happen to use an MP charm to make my life easier, so Im investing money into the run which might end up wasted.
GET the buff. It wont hurt you and can help you. b:chuckle0 -
_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »Ugh....I swear I need to take my own advice and leave when I should....but stupditiy always perks my interest...more or less to see how far it goes and my god...
I think Brillance named herself so, so, SO ****ing wrong. WTB> Name change scroll to "IdiotMysticofRT", PM ME PRICE kthnx!
wow..ur cool b:chuckle0 -
Whatever. Those damage numbers are ridiculous. Too low for a spread over all the pull, too high for single mobs. I call bs.
And I wouldn't wait either if I'm in exp room for someone to summon something, then give it mana and take another 3 seconds to buff me. Not when my hypers are running.
And lol Perses
I have to agree though. I can't remember a single other thread that contained such a big amount of ignorance and stupidity b:chuckle [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »Whatever. Those damage numbers are ridiculous. Too low for a spread over all the pull, too high for single mobs. I call bs.
And I wouldn't wait either if I'm in exp room for someone to summon something, then give it mana and take another 3 seconds to buff me. Not when my hypers are running.
And lol Perses I have to agree though. I can't remember a single other thread that contained such a big amount of ignorance and stupidity b:chuckle
Only from you and your friend (s).
There is also a wealth of information from Maelael and others for a new player like myself.
You were a big help to the thread, and I hope it doesnt end up closed or something. But if you really sit back and read your contribution you will see how the level of comic relief was amazing.
There is so MUCH here for me to think about that I know I will be referring back it.
AND, I owe you all that have posted here a debt of gratitude. I have more to explore and incorporate into an already complicated game play and char.
Lessons will be learned! b:thanks0 -
Oh the divine ignorance...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »Oh the divine ignorance...
Yes...will it ever go away? No...it stays.
I think you love me. That's it! You want my pixels! b:shocked
Sorry, hun. Im taken. b:chuckle0
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