105 FC Glitchers will never be banned...

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary

I SERIOUSLY doubt that half of a certain territory-holding faction on LC is ever going to get banned for glitching fc.
Frankie should just say "Were not going to ban anyone who glitched FC to 105 if they have spent over $500." Seriously HUGE, and I mean HUGE Cash shoppers seem to have immunity to bans... There's a Certain huge CSing wiz that has been known to drop +10 gear that obviously glitched to 105. Will he ever be banned? NO. Why? Because he splurges real life $$$ on this game. Really getting sick of people getting ban immunity because they CS.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Remember, the GMs took the blame because it was beyond their power to fix it because this company relies on PW-CN to do the dirty work of program development. GMs issued a ban threat to fear players into not doing it, and of course players still did it.

Also have to remember the GMs are busy with other games because it is a lot of work for them, as for why they don't hire new staff members is beyond me.



What did we learn from this?

Exploit any exploit you find, GMs don't ban as much as they did back in the day. You will most likely get away.

Right?

Watch this get locked btw.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Ugh... stuff like this makes me wonder what kind of monitoring tools they have at PWE. Are they unable to monitor this ****, or are they just lazy/understaffed? Probably the latter (both halves of it).

KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary

goons I could care less about... can't make any money from that and levels have been easy ever since hypers wer released.

When are they going to ban all those Caster Nirv glitchers?! Glitchers in caster nirv were spam the glitch to make hundreds of millions by flooding the nirvana market. They were doing this glitch on PVP classes while every one else who chose not to do the glitch couldn't farm nearly as much and had to sell the mats for less.

I lost millions on my aps sin I made for farming nirv WITHOUT GLITCHES. When are those CASTER NIRV GLITCHERS GOING TO BE BANNED!?

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Ooooh, Nirv caster glitch, can APS users abuse it?

gyroki

KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

goons I could care less about... can't make any money from that and levels have been easy ever since hypers wer released.

When are they going to ban all those Caster Nirv glitchers?! Glitchers in caster nirv were spam the glitch to make hundreds of millions by flooding the nirvana market. They were doing this glitch on PVP classes while every one else who chose not to do the glitch couldn't farm nearly as much and had to sell the mats for less.

I lost millions on my aps sin I made for farming nirv WITHOUT GLITCHES. When are those CASTER NIRV GLITCHERS GOING TO BE BANNED!?

And gv glitchers, and hh glitchers, and door glitchers, and ws glitchers, and 2nd boss glitchers ... b:pleasedb:laughb:chuckle

I'm sure most employees of pwi even dont know what im talking about :P

Fintan - Lost City

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ooooh, Nirv caster glitch, can APS users abuse it?

Not AFAIK. That's why the APSers complain so much about caster NV. b:chuckle

Ikarium - Dreamweaver

KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

goons I could care less about... can't make any money from that and levels have been easy ever since hypers wer released.

When are they going to ban all those Caster Nirv glitchers?! Glitchers in caster nirv were spam the glitch to make hundreds of millions by flooding the nirvana market. They were doing this glitch on PVP classes while every one else who chose not to do the glitch couldn't farm nearly as much and had to sell the mats for less.

I lost millions on my aps sin I made for farming nirv WITHOUT GLITCHES. When are those CASTER NIRV GLITCHERS GOING TO BE BANNED!?

I can't tell if this is serious or not.
Some APS farmers can run it in what? 8mins? Repeatidly. As much as they want through a month of 2x. And you are sitting here blaming the caster nirvana glitch as to killing the prices?
Really...yeah its a glitch, but it puts caster farming of Nirvana on an even playing field as to what APSers can do with theirs.

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Really...yeah its a glitch, but it puts caster farming of Nirvana on an even playing field as to what APSers can do with theirs.

Exactly.

I'm not particularly sure how the glitch works, but if it puts casters on par with APSers, I'm all for it.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

...it puts caster farming of Nirvana on an even playing field as to what APSers can do with theirs.

This reminds me of the rebuttal to the "CC is a glitch" argument as well.

HardToThink - Lost City

Wadzios 105?

Tatuaje - Lost City

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

Wadzios 105?

Yes....

Knownase - Heavens Tear

How does one do this glitch?

It's ok to share, GMs won't do much about it. Just look at how they handled the FC glitch.


:]

krittycat

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How does one do this glitch?

It's ok to share, GMs won't do much about it. Just look at how they handled the FC glitch.


:]

Or not.b:scorn

If you know of a glitch, please report it in a ticket or PM one of the forum staff. All of us care, and will do our best to forward the information on to people who can take care of the issue.

Thanks!b:thanks

Strife_son - Sanctuary

Two things, whether or not someone gets banned for exploiting the fcc glitch is not determined by whether or not they cash shopped. Tons of people who don't cash shop at all and got to 105 will not be banned either, so saying cash shoppers got some special kind of favoritism from the GM's is bs.

Second, frankie has already posted at least once regarding this, saying the number of people who exploited the glitch is too high for the GM's to realistically do anything, or to that effect, I'm sure you could find the post if you really cared about this issue. Sure, some people got banned for it when solid proof such as a screen shot was provided, but outside of that to go around tracking every single person, 105 or not, who used the glitch would be a massive under taking on the GM's part. The verdict on the fcc glitch was that if you didn't use it for your own benefit, you should have, because it wasn't being regarded as some to get you banned from this perfect little world.

RandomDent - Dreamweaver

KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I lost millions on my aps sin I made for farming nirv

Um, what? Caster nirvana, glitched or not, hardly flooded the market, lol. Prices for cannies/raps (on dreamweaver anyway) were about the same this last 2x as the one before (when no one knew about the caster glitch) so I don't know how you lost millions.

But I'll tell ya one thing (from the point of view of someone with both a 5aps+10 bm and a r8+10 psychic) it is easier and cheaper to farm regular nirvana than caster. I duo regular nirvana with one other 5aps+10 bm in about 20 minutes, if I went into caster and tried to duo with another r8+10 caster it would take at least twice as long and we'd be a lot more likely to die, even though my psy has better gear/refines/shards than my bm.


Baaaack oooon tooopiccccc......

Of course they won't ban anyone who spends a lot of money, how is that good business?

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Frankie doesn't think its fair to punish the people who cheated, because it was possible for them to cheat in the first place. Apparently the rules that should be enforced are the ones that impossible to break.

frankieraye wrote: »

1. Action has been taken on some, and will be taken on more shortly. The fact that the glitch existed and that we were not able to close it up for so long was our own fault, so it doesn't feel right to severely penalize everyone who exploited it. That said, the worst offenders' accounts have been found and will soon be seen to.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

KrittyCat wrote: »

Or not.b:scorn

If you know of a glitch, please report it in a ticket or PM one of the forum staff. All of us care, and will do our best to forward the information on to people who can take care of the issue.

Thanks!b:thanks

Not to be an [Donkey] about it Kritty, cause you're kinda awesome, but it's been ticketed by many. I can think of at least 15 occasions of people griping about it in Tide, WC, etc that swear up and down they've ticketed it.

I'd imagine it's forwarded on.

Personally I try not to even ask questions when "glitch" comes up, I still to this day haven't a clue how they were glitching goons. I imagine it's harder than spotting a gooner 2 minutes into a FF or Nirvvy run.

Edit:
After speaking with people on time invested on caster nirvvys vs regular APS nirvvys, its about even. Unless every caster somehow gets R9 +12 as easy as 5.0 APS +10 all of the sudden, remove the Nirvana Card component from Caster Nirvvy and let em have at it.

KagamineRin_ - Sanctuary

RandomDent - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Um, what? Caster nirvana, glitched or not, hardly flooded the market, lol. Prices for cannies/raps (on dreamweaver anyway) were about the same this last 2x as the one before (when no one knew about the caster glitch) so I don't know how you lost millions.

You have no idea how much this glitch was abused on my server. Of course if there are a lot more mats in the market due to a glitch prices are going to be lower.


Glitching farming instances like TT and Nirv is extremely serious and PWE hasn't done a damn thing to stop them b:angryb:angryb:angry

This totally takes away the ability of f2p players to farm and forces everyone to charge money! That's why you aren't seeing PWE do something useful like PERMA BAN ALL CASTER NIRV GLITCHERS.

Ikarium - Dreamweaver

RandomDent - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Um, what? Caster nirvana, glitched or not, hardly flooded the market, lol. Prices for cannies/raps (on dreamweaver anyway) were about the same this last 2x as the one before (when no one knew about the caster glitch) so I don't know how you lost millions.

Here's what I think is the translation :

"Oh noes, I made a 5aps Barrier Thorn Sin to abuse/farm Nirvana with, but had I known about this Caster glitch beforehand I would I have made a bad-*** Arcane to abuse this glitch instead"b:chuckle

krittycat

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not to be an [Donkey] about it Kritty, cause you're kinda awesome, but it's been ticketed by many. I can think of at least 15 occasions of people griping about it in Tide, WC, etc that swear up and down they've ticketed it.

I'd imagine it's forwarded on.

Personally I try not to even ask questions when "glitch" comes up, I still to this day haven't a clue how they were glitching goons. I imagine it's harder than spotting a gooner 2 minutes into a FF or Nirvvy run.

People may say they've ticketed it, but more often than not it's a scare tactic. They think that by saying they've ticketed it (though they would never take the 5 minutes off of Nirvy running), the people would stop doing it. The same thing happened with the goons glitch, and apparently with the same effect.b:shutup

People just aren't scared of other players saying "I submitted a ticket about the glitch." anymore.b:surrender

Maelael - Heavens Tear

KrittyCat wrote: »

People may say they've ticketed it, but more often than not it's a scare tactic. They think that by saying they've ticketed it (though they would never take the 5 minutes off of Nirvy running), the people would stop doing it. The same thing happened with the goons glitch, and apparently with the same effect.b:shutup

People just aren't scared of other players saying "I submitted a ticket about the glitch." anymore.b:surrender

Oh definitely dude, a combination of lack of official acknowledgement and visibility in enforcement has created an apathetic viewpoint and disdain and distrust of those responsible for issues like this. Hell, glitching Shocktrooper in FF is openly talked about on the forums - nobody bats an eye.

I'd still eat my hat if your help desk team comes back with "nope, nobody has submitted a ticket on anything like that!".

If they say "Well, we don't have screenshots and videos of it so we can't/won't/don't do anything with the ticket and it dies in a black hole" - then they're normal help desk people and may need a kick or three from your teams.

Of course, I don't think there should be anything done about it, and the cards removed. Fair is fair to the casters.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

I heard a rumor that the caster glitch involves setting up catshops when entering the instance, and thus you don't use up the every Nirvana Talisman, thus allowing people to go in multiple times.

I have no idea if that's true or if it even makes any sense.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Everyone ever in this game has glitched, intentionally, at least once, in some way, shape or form. Some glitch dozens of times a day, some occasionally.

I've seen Mystics Glitch mobs with their summons to get free exp at absolutely no cost. I've seen them do bosses this way. I've seen venos do this. I've seen people door glitch. I've seen boss glitching in TT/FCC/etc.

The amount of glitching is endless, most of it will NEVER get fixed, hell, the first glitch (as Venos do it) has been around since 2008 and still isn't fixed.

Goons glitchers most likely won't be punished simply because there's no incentive for PWE to do so, beyond QQ posts on the forums.

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary

The caster glitch is not a big deal at all and people need to stop QQing. 5 aps squads can still do it faster and could always spam NV.
In any case this thread is about CSers not getting banned because they are CSers.

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

Wadzios 105?

Yes he is.... I wonder how he got that....>.>

gyroki

KrittyCat wrote: »

People may say they've ticketed it, but more often than not it's a scare tactic. They think that by saying they've ticketed it (though they would never take the 5 minutes off of Nirvy running), the people would stop doing it. The same thing happened with the goons glitch, and apparently with the same effect.b:shutup

People just aren't scared of other players saying "I submitted a ticket about the glitch." anymore.b:surrender

Mods say very often "just sent a ticket", but gms/admins/responsible ppl dont care. I made e.g. at least 10 screenshots of scammer shops (always ppl who say with shop name that they sell tokens of best luck, but they r selling just tokens of luck for almost 5m) over the last view weeks. And i always sent an explanation + screenshot + name of scammer + server name. But the same scammer shops r always there. Even atm, every day. For months. No one cares. Id appreciate a subforum where u can at least submit screenshots of shops + names of blue names (this rly shouldnt be called "naming and shaming").

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

gyroki wrote: »

Mods say very often "just sent a ticket", but gms/admins/responsible ppl dont care. I made e.g. at least 10 screenshots of scammer shops (always ppl who say with shop name that they sell tokens of best luck, but they r selling just tokens of luck for almost 5m) over the last view weeks. And i always sent an explanation + screenshot + name of scammer + server name. But the same scammer shops r always there. Even atm, every day. For months. No one cares. Id appreciate a subforum where u can at least submit screenshots of shops + names of blue names (this rly shouldnt be called "naming and shaming").

Huh if it works and nobody gets banned for it, I should set up an alt account to do this...

Knownase - Heavens Tear

In one of my threads, it took two mods to get a GM to reply on the issues that are in the game, and of course it was the usual vague, half-baked response.

To the mods, get a GM to reply here in this thread, GMs have a job to manage the game, and the forum is a part of it, tell them to actually do it...

krittycat

gyroki wrote: »

Mods say very often "just sent a ticket", but gms/admins/responsible ppl dont care. I made e.g. at least 10 screenshots of scammer shops (always ppl who say with shop name that they sell tokens of best luck, but they r selling just tokens of luck for almost 5m) over the last view weeks. And i always sent an explanation + screenshot + name of scammer + server name. But the same scammer shops r always there. Even atm, every day. For months. No one cares. Id appreciate a subforum where u can at least submit screenshots of shops + names of blue names (this rly shouldnt be called "naming and shaming").

There are always people that are good with PhotoShop/Gimp who would edit pictures and post them just to defame another player. That's the main reason why naming and shaming is not allowed. When it's submitted as a ticket, a GM can examine the screenshot closely to determine if there is any form of tampering, and even look back through the logs to verify the story. Without that checking, people could be shunned for no good reason.

EDIT: Also, I've had an occasion where a shop was selling Tokens as Best Lucks... I submitted a ticket, and no more than 5 minutes later the shop went *poof*.

gyroki

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

The caster glitch is not a big deal at all and people need to stop QQing. 5 aps squads can still do it faster and could always spam NV.
In any case this thread is about CSers not getting banned because they are CSers.




Yes he is.... I wonder how he got that....>.>

Translation: Caster glitch is not a big deal cz i abuse it by myself and benefit by doing it.b:shutup

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If they say "Well, we don't have screenshots and videos of it so we can't/won't/don't do anything with the ticket and it dies in a black hole" - then they're normal help desk people and may need a kick or three from your teams.

What concerns me is that they actually want screenshots for proof. It makes me seriously question the logs they have, or their ability to use them properly.

In comparison, Blizzard will not take screenshots as proof of wrongdoing because screenshots can be photoshopped. They do all of their researching through actual game logs.