New Expansion in CN

Tekril - Dreamweaver

Bows aren't melee weapons though.

WereElf - Lost City

Tekril - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Bows aren't melee weapons though.

I am well aware of that, but the discussion reached this point from "archer heals" not from "archer bp"

Tekril - Dreamweaver

Oh, right. My apologies.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Foxform venos should get it then. We even have a Melee Mastery.

I've always protested they should get BP.

megaseeker

yeah anything is rly cool but.....
think how OP is sum1 with all that new skills in pk?(more fun too but more deadly)
n new places/gears seems with the Ether Sega/BOI n the other games? o_0
I agree with the all class BP too n LOVE all the new stuff that will come out anyway

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Archers have 2 true melee skills, wingspan and winged pledge. You can tell they are true melee skills since they activate bramble damage. These are the attacks that would receive a benefit from BP.

Archers however have 0 attacks that use magic damage but that doesn't stop them from getting buffed by cleric's spirit's gift and it doesn't stop them from using wands.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Archers have 2 true melee skills, wingspan and winged pledge. You can tell they are true melee skills since they activate bramble damage. These are the attacks that would receive a benefit from BP.

Archers however have 0 attacks that use magic damage but that doesn't stop them from getting buffed by cleric's spirit's gift and it doesn't stop them from using wands.

nothing stops psychics from using axes and getting strength of titans buff either

Tekril - Dreamweaver

We can also melee with our soulspheres too, even if we never do.

tfi2f

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

There's a lot of blah blah blah in this thread.

"I heard", "They said that", "I read somewhere, deep on the dark, remote website that..."

This is getting out of hand.

Venos turning people into frogs, everyone having Soulforce, etc... Some of it seems a little far-fetched. "Skills cost rep", huh? that makes no sense. is this game really going to become a P2P game then? Because that's basically what that means.

"I heard there's gonna be a new class, it's the CCM, and it can oneshot the entire SERVER, right through the ISP, for 100 billion HPs!" Come on. Unless you can translate chinese, then stop posting some of this **** stuff.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Kiyoshi, Archer. That Sasha thing, Veno. Two examples from the forums. I could go on and on, but... Whatever.

Idk, your level of stupidity, is it hereditary? I was about to ask if you practised to get that stupid, but it occurred to me that one person couldn't get that level of stupidness in one lifetime even if they tried. Must be genetic. Thousands of years of ***-backward stupidity passed on from generation to generation. Formidable.

@Korren and the other two gentlemen/ladies who are doing the translations, I understand that information is scarce, but if possible, is there any way for you to clear up the following for me?

1) The veno anti-stun skill: It says 10 seconds of stun-immunity, and pet attack increase + pet accuracy increase; The wording does not clearly tell whether or not the pet-attack + accuracy increase is ALSO only 10 seconds. It could (and should) be like Summer Sprint, where the Demon Summer Sprint skill when used gives 6 seconds of anti-stun, but the effect of summer sprint actually lasts 5 minutes;

Does the pet stat increase also last only 10 seconds?

2) The pvp reflect buff; it says that it lasts 15 seconds. I don't suppose you can provide cooldown and chi related info, so I won't push for an answer here. If possible, can you clarify it? Would be much obliged.

...I don't particularly care about the other classes trololol

Traz - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Archers have 2 true melee skills, wingspan and winged pledge. You can tell they are true melee skills since they activate bramble damage. These are the attacks that would receive a benefit from BP.

Archers however have 0 attacks that use magic damage but that doesn't stop them from getting buffed by cleric's spirit's gift and it doesn't stop them from using wands.

2 skills that work melee DO NOT make the class designed for it.... I swear sometimes I magically type in spanish to you people.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2 skills that work melee DO NOT make the class designed for it.... I swear sometimes I magically type in spanish to you people.

Archers arent designed to use our melee skills? That's a pretty silly argument since we have them.

If anything that buff shouldn't belong to barbs since they are meant for tanking and are not a DD class. Seekers also have a mix of ranged and mellee skills similar to archers but they get the buff (despite the skill description specifically saying they are excluded).

Really most everything about the RT expansion was poorly thought out which is why you see lots of these design mistakes (driving everyone to roll sins).

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2 skills that work melee DO NOT make the class designed for it.... I swear sometimes I magically type in spanish to you people.

Tu es loco. Yo quiero BP.You're crazy. I want BP

Traz - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Archers arent designed to use our melee skills? That's a pretty silly argument since we have them.

If anything that buff shouldn't belong to barbs since they are meant for tanking and are not a DD class. Seekers also have a mix of ranged and mellee skills similar to archers but they get the buff (despite the skill description specifically saying they are excluded).

Really most everything about the RT expansion was poorly thought out which is why you see lots of these design mistakes (driving everyone to roll sins).

So you're trying to convince us that an archer is suppose to use their bow melee? Not a single place in my post stated you can't use those skills melee, but I sure as hell said the class as a whole isn't designed for melee use.

Edo_Tensei - Heavens Tear

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

Special thx to Rivi_V and X_Rays

Human

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Blademaster

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God punish tactics: 12sec zhen skill, deal base +200% weapon +2500-6500(depends on that soulforce) every 3sec, anti stun, sealed.


Riding in Purple Dust: Instantly teleport to the target, paralyzing it (not stun) for 3 sec, deal 50% base atk physical dmg, deal triple dmg when target has less than 40% HP.


Red Dragon cable: drag your target infront of u , success rate 40%-100%(SF)


Tianyuan reversal:available when ur hp lower than 40%, deal base+200%+7200 dmg to all enemies 12meters in a line in front of u, 75% stun them for 3sec.


Qiankun (meaning heaven and earth) Throw: disable the weapon of you and all enemies 8meters around for 3sec, deal base+100%+3500 dmg.


Tai Xu God Slayer: 12sec zhen skill, deal base +200% weapon +5000-11000(depends on that soulforce>>) every 3sec, anti stun, sealed.also decrease targets movement speed by 30%.

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Wizard

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Reversal space-time tactics: curse ur target, his position will reset back to this point in 6sec, sucess rate 40%-80%(SF)


Reversal HP tactics: curse ur target, his HP will reset back to this point in 6sec, sucess rate 40%-80%(SF)


Guardian of sand: self buff, last 15min, decrease the change of getting crit attack by 5%.


Arcane Light: self buff, last 5min, each time u get hit by melee normal attack, u will be knocked away 20meters and will be purified. effect has 16sec cooldown.


Ice World: has 67% chance freeze all enemies 12meters around for 2sec every 3second, last 9sec. enemies take 130% dmg if frozen.


Dark flame: debuff your target, each time he gets hit by any attack, he will be paralysed for 3sec, effect has 8sec cooldown，last 45sec.


Tai Xu Reversal space-time tactics / Reversal HP tactics: 60%-100% chance.

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Winged Elves

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Archer

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lightening strike: attack range+6, crit rate of next 4-8 hits(SF) incrased by 15%, 20sec.


Left leap / Right leap:20meters.


Silence: Stealth! 50mp/sec, moving, using Wings of Grace, or sparking will kick u out of stealth.


Sunset arrow: attack target and all enemies 8meters around, base+250% weapon + 1500 dmg, decrease their hp recovery by 20% , pot 30%, increase charm cooldown by 3sec.


BrightShadow arrow: seal all targets in a 25meters line for 3sec, deal base+100%weapon + 3200dmg.


Tian yu lightening strike: attack range+6, crit rate of next 5-9 hits(SF) incrased by 25%, 30sec.

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Cleric

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Purple Night Dance: Transform into metal mage mode!!! unable to heal, max hp decrease by 10%, increase 40%-80% weapon dmg.

Ray meditation: available in transformation mode, stop your target hp recovery(and charm recovery) by 15%base atk + 675HP. can be stacked to max 2000-18000HP(SF),last 30sec.

Aurora Magic Ray: available in metal mage mode, AOE version of Ray meditation.

Arc ray of disease: debuff ur target, increase the chance of taking crit dmg by 15%.

Sincere: give ur target Deaden Nerves buff, recover 50% hp when taking effect, last 8sec.

The blessing of the gods: no exp lose upon death.

Tianyin thunderstorm symbol: metal mage version of soul burn! debuff ur target , each time he try to atk or use skill, he has 30% chance take phy dmg equal to ur magic atk. last 1min.

Tian Yu Purple Night Dance: Transform into metal mage mode!!! unable to heal, increase 60%-100% weapon dmg.

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Untamed

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Barbarian

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Dragon extinct: only usable on the ground, atk target and all enemies 20meters around him, deal 50% base atk dmg, has 50%-90% chance to disable their fly mount, deal triple dmg to air targets.

Fighting Rake: force your target to target on u and cannot switch target for 6sec.only available to players.

Immortal soul: self buff, last 120s, once taken deadly hit, u wont die, and will be immune to dmg for 6sec, but during this 6sec , ur hp is decreased by 99%.(if you are taking some DoT dmg, )

Prehistoric blood: self buff, 60sec, each time u take hit, your attack is increased by 3% weapon value, can be stacked at most 50 times.

Crown-less King: deal base +100% +1200 dmg to all targets 12meters in a frontal line, attract aggro.

Yan Mie Dragon extinct: only usable on the ground, atk target and all enemies 20meters around him, deal 120% base atk dmg, has 60%-100% chance to disable their fly mount, deal triple dmg to air targets.

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Venomancer

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Lock soul scarab: summon a doll which is linked to your target, whenever this doll takes hit by magic atk, your target will recieve 50% dmg, this doll will slow down your target by 30%, last 12-28sec(SF).

Yaoqi hit: fox form skill, turn your target into a little frog, the frog can only use normal atk(5.0aps frog?), last 6sec.

Dance: both veno and pet anti stun for 10sec, increase pet atk and acc by 100%.

Nether Spirit of Fire: new reflect buff, available in pvp , reduce dmg recieve by 30%, reflect back 100% phy atk, 15sec.

vigor break: fox form skill, decrease target chi by 150.

Yan Mie Lock soul scarab: summon a doll which is linked to your target, whenever this doll takes hit by magic atk, your target will recieve 100% dmg, this doll will slow down your target by 30%, last 12-28sec(SF).

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Tideborn

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Pychic

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Wraith escape: make all squad members 6 meters around unable to be selected, last 3.5-7.5sec (depends on your soulforce)

source of evil: buff your target, you will absorb all damage and debuffs from your target, max range 45meters.

embryo of the soul: make your target immune to dmg, recover 100% hp, stun himself for 10sec. (ironguard? lol)

Wind rocks buried: curse ur target , your target will take damge = base atk +130% weapon + 6475 after 12sec.

summon: right click on a squad member on the squad list and choose summon, the skill will teleport him to u.

Yan Fu Wraith escape: make all squad members 12 meters around unable to be selected, last 5-9sec (depends on your soulforce)

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Assassin

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Resurrection burial: curse your target, your target will absorb 15%-35%(depends on ur SF) damage you take from others for 10sec, effect doesnt work if your target attack u.

solar eclipse: AOE stealth, yo, 12meters , max 5seconds.

investigate: make u able to check other players' inventory.

Lose a Thousand Pieces of Gold (literal translation, meaning giving up wealth): debuff your target, make him drop coins upon death. the amount of coins depends on your target's lvl.(. lol, my mage 105..)

Toxic dagger: 10 meters frontal aoe, base dmg + 9300 poison dmg over 30sec.

Yan Fu Resurrection burial: curse your target, your target will absorb 20%-60%(depends on ur SF) damage you take from others for 15sec, effect doesnt work if your target attack u.

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Earthguard

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Seeker

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Jianming Yuan: summon a pet, 30sec, the ability of pet depends on ur SF.


Translocation tactic: exchange position of u and ur target, sucess rate depends on ur SF, 40%-100%.


Broken kettle tactic: increase atk, decrease defence(can be purified).


3rd eye: increase detection lvl by 31 for 8sec(means u can see sins at your lvl)


Heart of sword: 12meters aoe, base atk + 3681, recover 20% hp, attract agro from mobs.


Fan Xin Jianming Yuan: summon a pet, 60sec, the ability of pet depends on ur SF.

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Mystic

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Star prairie: absorb 15%-35%(depends on SF) of targets revover ability(healing, charm) for 15sec

Flowers blinding: new AOE buff, increase skill damage to mobs by 20%, last 30min.

3rd eye: detect if there r stealth targets around u, and knock out all stealth targets 26meters around u, last 6sec.

Rejuvenation of all things: AOE rez buff-.-

Moist: AOE buff, incrase healing effect by 20%, pot effect 30%, last 30min.

Color Blossoms fans: AOE heal, heal 25% of base atk+ 783HP, every3 sec, last 12sec.

Fan Xin Star prairie: absorb 20%-40%(depends on SF) of targets revover ability(healing, charm) for 40sec

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Iv been chatting with a developper lately, and got some info about new class skills.
Here,i just list some skills that have been confirmed.

the new gears will be PvE gears, with special attributes against mobs.



after the expansion, your charactor can join one of the 3 forces: shadow, light , dark night, whatever they are called>.>
each force has their unique skills for every class. you can easily learn the skills from the force u joined. if u want to learn skills from other forces, u need to get contribution/reputation points form those forces and trade for skill books.
well, at the end, u can learn all the new skills anyway, but it takes time, so choose ur force carefully.




skills

Archers
1.Greatly increase attack range and crit rate during a short period.

2.go into stealth mode, but will be knocked out of it if u move, u can use skills in stealth at least.

3.left/right jump. just like bm.

cleric

1.a sort of transfromation, greatly increase metal dmg.

2.curse ur target, give him a negative buff, reduce his healing ability including charm tick.
the power of this debuff depends on your own magic attack.

example：
Cleric A, crused target B with 5000 healing debuff.
B has 10000HP
B takes damage and HP drops to 5000
charm ticks
B still have 5000 HP

Veno

1. turn target into a frog during a short period.

2.after getting a target, veno can summon a veno tree( pet ), if the tree takes hit by any1(every1 can attack it including veno herself), the target will take damage too.

Wizzard

Time controlling skills.
1. curse your enemy with a time debuff, after a few seconds, enemy's HP will reset back to this point.

2. curse your enemy with a time debuff, after a few seconds, enemy's position will reset back to this point.

new self buff!
3. now wizzard will have a new self buff, once the wizzard gets hit by any melee range attack, the buff will remove all debuffs on him, and shrink away (or be knocked away like that mystic skill, im not very sure) immediately. ofcos, this buff effect has a cooldown time..




Earthguard 3rd eye skill:

stealth detection!

Seeker will have a skill to increase the stealth detection lvl by 31 during a short period, which means u can see any sins at your own lvl, even if they use force stealth.
time to go back to frost, seekers..

Mystic will get a passsive skill which can detect if there are sins around u, and show their names on a list. you need to get lv100 to max this skill, then u can find any sins at any lvl on ur detection list, but u cant target them, try summon a plant to aoe them , ask ur 105 friend to use detection pots, or just ask a seeker to knock them out>.>

A new expansion when? b:shocked

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So you're trying to convince us that an archer is suppose to use their bow melee? Not a single place in my post stated you can't use those skills melee, but I sure as hell said the class as a whole isn't designed for melee use.

Archers have melee skills, therefore should have BP for when we use those skills, just as a veno should have BP for when they go into foxform FOR THEIR MELEE SKILLS. (Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't you "qft" that venos should get it when they use their melee skills? talk about hypocrite.)

Edo_Tensei - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A new expansion when? b:shocked

did you HAVE to quote that asslong post?

Ikarium - Dreamweaver

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

Archers have melee skills, therefore should have BP for when we use those skills, just as a veno should have BP for when they go into foxform FOR THEIR MELEE SKILLS. (Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't you "qft" that venos should get it when they use their melee skills? talk about hypocrite.)

There is a difference in the two.
Venos have an entire skill tree and morph-form devoted to being a melee class. They even have a melee mastery to go with it.

Even speaking as an archer.....2 skills doesn't mean much. Yes, they were designed to be used melee when things get too close to you, but its a far cry from a whole branch of the class being designed as melee. To apply BP to 2 skills isn't really going to do much for you anyway in most scenarios. Archers have since become weakened 5aps claw/fist users, but their design is to be in the back ranks with the ranged arcanes. Comparing 2 skills to a whole tree/morph form isn't a comparison at all.
And as far as seekers go.....they are a true melee class with a host of ranged attacks. Should the BP not apply to those attacks? Maybe so. The only time I personally pay attention to having BP as seeker is when I know Vortex is gonna be used alot.
And even with Sins, slap a bow on one and he doesn't get BP returns from it.
And that being said, the BP buff should only apply to the veno foxform skill tree in some way. It should not apply to AA venos.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There is a difference in the two.
Venos have an entire skill tree and morph-form devoted to being a melee class. They even have a melee mastery to go with it.

Even speaking as an archer.....2 skills doesn't mean much. Yes, they were designed to be used melee when things get too close to you, but its a far cry from a whole branch of the class being designed as melee. To apply BP to 2 skills isn't really going to do much for you anyway in most scenarios. Archers have since become weakened 5aps claw/fist users, but their design is to be in the back ranks with the ranged arcanes. Comparing 2 skills to a whole tree/morph form isn't a comparison at all.
And as far as seekers go.....they are a true melee class with a host of ranged attacks. Should the BP not apply to those attacks? Maybe so. The only time I personally pay attention to having BP as seeker is when I know Vortex is gonna be used alot.
And even with Sins, slap a bow on one and he doesn't get BP returns from it.
And that being said, the BP buff should only apply to the veno foxform skill tree in some way. It should not apply to AA venos.

Someone that gets it. I have Bestial Onslaught guess I'm a ranged class......

Vindis - Dreamweaver

I may be abit uninformed in this aspect, but does BP affect every Seeker skill?

Additionally, BP on archers would do very little, but if Wingspan/Pledge was affected by it then it would give me even more reason to use Wingspan in FC, Delta and wherever else I am (Sage Wingspans free sparks b:pleased).

I agree that archers are like casters, but with worse defenses (and admittedly more hp).

Okeano - Harshlands

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

did you HAVE to quote that asslong post?

My thoughts exactly b:angry.

Bubbles - Morai

Today's Wanmei posts:

assassin
some event involving bugs?
random pics and a trailer

High-quality video perfectly
As the "Perfect World: Underworld" continues to improve the quality of the game, like, first video also showed the high production standards. Exquisite continent's hidden beauty of Fairy Lake, strange gods ditch Hill, reflects the ultimate rendering of the scene, thrilling shock of sound, smooth scene change, highlights the quality of video quality.

I like how they talk about the trailer as if it's that impressive. b:laugh

krittycat

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

Today's Wanmei posts:

assassin
some event involving bugs?
random pics and a trailer



I like how they talk about the trailer as if it's that impressive. b:laugh

The "Bug" event is apparently some sort of period on the test server where they're going to have players running through the content to find issues. If they find a bug, they get rewarded for it with a 10* Dragon Orb...

At least, that's what I made sense of (since the event starts on the 8th, and the expansion doesn't go live until the 15th).

Neodaystar - Sanctuary

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I may be abit uninformed in this aspect, but does BP affect every Seeker skill?

Additionally, BP on archers would do very little, but if Wingspan/Pledge was affected by it then it would give me even more reason to use Wingspan in FC, Delta and wherever else I am (Sage Wingspans free sparks b:pleased).

I agree that archers are like casters, but with worse defenses (and admittedly more hp).

BP does work for every seeker's attack skill whether it be range or melee. A seeker with BP and vortex/gemini slash can heal for a tremendous amount of hp (for pve wise). The hp amount healed from my own experience is from 350-1000+ per mob depending on crits and zerks.

Although I don't think BP healing applies to damage from edge blur since that is more of a self buff and the damage dealt from edge blur don't show up in the damage log. You also don't get extra heal from BP for the extra bonus damage caused by gemini slash with the spore debuff and other sword debuffs.

Rivi_V - Heavens Tear

KrittyCat wrote: »

The "Bug" event is apparently some sort of period on the test server where they're going to have players running through the content to find issues. If they find a bug, they get rewarded for it with a 10* Dragon Orb...

At least, that's what I made sense of (since the event starts on the 8th, and the expansion doesn't go live until the 15th).

Hahaha, if PWI did that, all will have high refined equipment. That is if we were to finding bugs in the whole game. b:chuckle

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There is a difference in the two.
Venos have an entire skill tree and morph-form devoted to being a melee class. They even have a melee mastery to go with it.

Even speaking as an archer.....2 skills doesn't mean much. Yes, they were designed to be used melee when things get too close to you, but its a far cry from a whole branch of the class being designed as melee.

Actually that is a whole branch if you've ever the archer skill tree. Our skills are arranged so that 2 out of our 5 branches carry no bow requirement. That speaks a lot about the original developers' intent. I don't think venos have any skills at all that can be used with melee weapons unlike archers.

In stark contrast to the original developers, the developers of the RT expansion are known for putting forth the most poorly thought out pile of excrement the game has ever seen. That's what happens when you hire a group of mentally-challenged chimps to design an expansion. The RT developers got pretty much everything wrong which is why the game is as sin/aps-centric it is today.

Broederjr - Lost City

Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »

BP does work for every seeker's attack skill whether it be range or melee. A seeker with BP and vortex/gemini slash can heal for a tremendous amount of hp (for pve wise). The hp amount healed from my own experience is from 350-1000+ per mob depending on crits and zerks.

Although I don't think BP healing applies to damage from edge blur since that is more of a self buff and the damage dealt from edge blur don't show up in the damage log. You also don't get extra heal from BP for the extra bonus damage caused by gemini slash with the spore debuff and other sword debuffs.

this they nerfed the bp on their metal skills to be4 you would get bp but not anymore so ion spike battousai edged blur and heartseeker all dont recieve bp

Bubbles - Morai

KrittyCat wrote: »

The "Bug" event is apparently some sort of period on the test server where they're going to have players running through the content to find issues. If they find a bug, they get rewarded for it with a 10* Dragon Orb...

At least, that's what I made sense of (since the event starts on the 8th, and the expansion doesn't go live until the 15th).

I suppose that makes sense.
I had no idea wanmei cared that much about bugs.

I bet in retrospect pwe will just... give us more sales on dorbs. b:surrender

XXZeonXx - Harshlands

Wow, they should've just made the broken kettle Seeker skill not decrease defense at all. Now we'll be able to just QPQ the defense debuff part of it and do even more damage.

Nniotora - Lost City

XXZeonXx - Harshlands wrote: »

Wow, they should've just made the broken kettle Seeker skill not decrease defense at all. Now we'll be able to just QPQ the defense debuff part of it and do even more damage.

b:shutup dont give them ideas i like giving them a def debuff while upgrading my attack

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

I just can't believe they buffed all the classes. Cleric, Veno, Wizard, Mystic, Seeker and maybe Barb all needed something imo. But to also buff sin, psychic and even archer the way they did? It won't rebalance the game at all.

And are all the wizard buffs only self buffs? A class that can solo next to nothing in the game and negligible DD on bosses is given no party buffs? Nice. Idiots.

Looks to me like the mystic is going to be the new op caster class, especially in terms of party support.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

I just can't believe they buffed all the classes. Cleric, Veno, Wizard, Mystic, Seeker and maybe Barb all needed something imo. But to also buff sin, psychic and even archer the way they did? It won't rebalance the game at all.

And are all the wizard buffs only self buffs? A class that can solo next to nothing in the game and negligible DD on bosses is given no party buffs? Nice. Idiots.

Looks to me like the mystic is going to be the new op caster class, especially in terms of party support.

Wait let me get this straight... you're a wizard and yet you're complaining about the skills YOU ARE getting in this upgrade ?

WTF !!