New Expansion in CN

/ es - Heavens Tear36

So.... Sins are gonna be seeing alot of this?



b:chuckle

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

Just saved you time, the above quote are all the skills that will be abused to no end.

"Lose a Thousand Pieces of Gold (literal translation, meaning giving up wealth): debuff your target, make him drop coins upon death. the amount of coins depends on your target's lvl.(. lol, my mage 105..)"

Ha Ha... Seekers will LOVE having this debuff thrown at them. Together with stealth detect, Quid Pro Quo will see a lot of Sins losing their wallets. b:laugh

Nniotora - Lost City

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

"Lose a Thousand Pieces of Gold (literal translation, meaning giving up wealth): debuff your target, make him drop coins upon death. the amount of coins depends on your target's lvl.(. lol, my mage 105..)"

Ha Ha... Seekers will LOVE having this debuff thrown at them. Together with stealth detect, Quid Pro Quo will see a lot of Sins losing their wallets. b:laugh

that is if devs not decide to make quid pro quo nerfed which they prolly will do cuz that nv thing

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »

that is if devs not decide to make quid pro quo nerfed which they prolly will do cuz that nv thing

Meh... that potential nerf you're referring to (as if the Devs truly even care at this point) would most assuredly be restricted to preventing the transfer of debuffs to certain bosses in Nirvy and elsewhere that were previously immune to that debuff.

Nniotora - Lost City

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Meh... that potential nerf you're referring to (as if the Devs truly even care at this point) would most assuredly be restricted to preventing the transfer of debuffs to certain bosses in Nirvy and elsewhere that were previously immune to that debuff.

b:surrender heard that be4 who rem veno swimming mastery they jsut toke it out
not to mention 4 seeker skills are already nerfed in pvp its stupid i mean why cant be amp with our shatters but mage can undine so stupid -.-

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »

b:surrender heard that be4 who rem veno swimming mastery they jsut toke it out
not to mention 4 seeker skills are already nerfed in pvp its stupid i mean why cant be amp with our shatters but mage can undine so stupid -.-

LOL... you have to admit though that a 50% damage amp on PvP targets from (sage) heart shatter that lasts 10 minutes would be stupidly OP... even by Sin standards. b:laugh

And anyway... you may at least (partially) get your wish. The number#3 skill for Seekers if I understand it right, will decrease your target's defense levels while increasing your own attack levels. That's some serious shiit right there for whoever is unlucky enough to get cursed with that.

Korren - Lost City

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

LOL... you have to admit though that a 50% damage amp on PvP targets from (sage) heart shatter that lasts 10 minutes would be stupidly OP... even by Sin standards. b:laugh

And anyway... you may at least (partially) get your wish. The number#3 skill for Seekers if I understand it right, will decrease your target's defense levels while increasing your own attack levels. That's some serious shiit right there for whoever is unlucky enough to get cursed with that.

no, all buffs are cast on yourself, 1 buff increase your attack, and 1 debuff decrease your defence, but your know, seeker has a skill called quid pro quo

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

no, all buffs are cast on yourself, 1 buff increase your attack, and 1 debuff decrease your defence, but your know, seeker has a skill called quid pro quo

OK I understand the self casting only, but I assume you meant one buff both increases attack levels and decreases defense levels at the same time ?

Or else why would anyone want to decrease their own defense levels without corresponding gain elsewhere ? b:shutup

Also... if (like the genie skill frenzy) both attack level and defense level buff/debuffs share the same icon, QPQ won't work on it.

Edit...

Just remembered, the skill according to the description you gave can be purified so a Seeker could presumably cast buff... triple spark much like BMs' do with Dragon Bane... which would remove negative effect while keeping the positive attack levels. Really depends on how long the buff lasts and/or the cool down time before we know if it's worth it then.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

no, all buffs are cast on yourself, 1 buff increase your attack, and 1 debuff decrease your defence, but your know, seeker has a skill called quid pro quo

You sure it's not just black voodoo? It sounds alot like black voodoo...

Also according to this link: http://w2i.178.com/201112/116809136481_10.html
Seeker detection only lasts for 8 seconds.

Some people seem to think that archer standing stealth will allow you to attack while keeping stealth but that seems really unlikely.

Heartz - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Some people seem to think that archer standing stealth will allow you to attack while keeping stealth but that seems really unlikely.

Yea it really does sound very unlikely. However what would the purpose of stealth be with mo moving and no skills. totally useless xD. and since spark/wing of grace/moving is listed as kock out.. I do have a slight hope other skills dont..

Mr_Punkster - Dreamweaver

ALL I WANT IS BP b:cry b:cry b:cry

Eoria - Harshlands

Well...clerics got screwed. kthxbai.

Mahidevran - Archosaur

very nice skills b:thanks but mystics dont have any attack skill b:surrender

Baby_pho - Heavens Tear

seems like this new up date will take pvp to a whole nother lvl.

cant heal in mage form? >.>' wut duh.... b:surrender every other skills seems good for cleric tho. its funny how clerics are made for healing but now they add anti healing skill to cleric ._.' stop target from healing? stack it on cata barbs!!!!!!!


edit does the sin's coin drop skill works in tw? lol... cos that's stupid

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

You sure it's not just black voodoo? It sounds alot like black voodoo...

It is sort of confusing. At first I thought it was debuffing an opponent while buffing yourself (which admittedly would be OP). But now I know it's self casting, having the positive and negative effects being tied together a la black voodoo is the only thing that would make sense.

If it (the negative effects) can be purified though, that would still be a huge step up from the Psychic skill.

Korren - Lost City

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It is sort of confusing. At first I thought it was debuffing an opponent while buffing yourself (which admittedly would be OP). But now I know it's self casting, having the positive and negative effects being tied together a la black voodoo is the only thing that would make sense.

If it (the negative effects) can be purified though, that would still be a huge step up from the Psychic skill.

b:faint omg, how is that confusing, doesnt bm have a skill that increase crit rate and decrease 50% weapon atk? isnt there a genie skill called fortify that make u immune to stun while decreasing ur magic defence?

Erryne - Sanctuary

Pychic

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Wraith escape: make all squad members 6 meters around unable to be selected, last 3.5-7.5sec (depends on your soulforce)

source of evil: buff your target, you will absorb all damage and debuffs from your target, max range 45 meters. sound usefull if helping a lower lv with a BH, pvp use will be very dependant on how sturdy the psy is in white voodoo.

embryo of the soul: make your target immune to dmg, recover 100% hp, stun himself for 10sec. (ironguard? lol) I'm failling to understand who is getting stunned when using this skill, but sound pretty good to save someone **** in any case

Wind rocks buried: curse ur target , your target will take damge = base atk +130% weapon + 6475 after 12sec. an another damage spell that ignore atk/def lv, white voodoo did need a little more love.

summon: right click on a squad member on the squad list and choose summon, the skill will teleport him to u. I'm all for this. Will probably work like with squad/faction signet, a pop-up will show up to accept the teleport, the question now being, will it work in instance too? and if yes, does it work when the other is not in it?

Yan Fu Wraith escape: make all squad members 12 meters around unable to be selected, last 5-9sec (depends on your soulforce) The fact that sin gained an aoe reset button for the squad, should remove the risk of making mobs going yellow bubble with this one.b:chuckle still unclear if it remove targetting on top of preventing it

Pretty much all the new skills for psychic are meant to be used in white voodoo or is just plain support. I still would had liked an update to tideform though, enabling the use of skill would had been nice, sadly the lack of underwater stuff is preventing a real need to ask for it...
Cleric: Like I though, metal mage is disallowed to use it's healing spell.
Archer: AOE dimished vigor? Really? Bah, it was a rarely used pvp skills anyways.
Wizard: Auto-distance shrink, doesn't sound that broken. There is the chance(or positionning of the attacker) to get teleported in enemy spot and getting killed. Still, it only work for normal atk, bm/sin are gonna have to use skills to take them down now.
Mystic: Kinda sad all those skills are gained at endgame, those boost to healing power sound handy. I only hope that Moist buff stack with Empowered vigor.
Sin: Everyone talked about the other skills, I'm just gonna mention that an extra mini-aoe is always welcome for them.
Earthguard: Now, I'm curious to know if the dev are adding stealthed/ing mobs in the new maps and/or dungeon.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

b:faint omg, how is that confusing, doesnt bm have a skill that increase crit rate and decrease 50% weapon atk? isnt there a genie skill called fortify that make u immune to stun while decreasing ur magic defence?

See your quote below ?

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

no, all buffs are cast on yourself, 1 buff increase your attack, and 1 debuff decrease your defence, but your know, seeker has a skill called quid pro quo

That's what had me confused. But I get it now and also appreciate your translating for us.

Sympathi - Archosaur

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

b:faint omg, how is that confusing, doesnt bm have a skill that increase crit rate and decrease 50% weapon atk? isnt there a genie skill called fortify that make u immune to stun while decreasing ur magic defence?

yea but what they mean is them skills have both the buff and debuff in the same icon, like black voodoo up attack level whilst decreasing defense, but its the same icon for both status.

I think what there asking is will it simply be a skill version of frenzy or enrage, upping attack and dropping defense under the same icon, or will you receive 2 icons, one buffing your attack, and one debuffing your defense, if you say the negative defense is purify-able, then that would indicate its two icons, and then it would be transferable.

Aizza - Harshlands

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

investigate: make u able to check other players' inventory.

Is there some... specific reason I'd want to do this?

Maybe this is how to know which Red Name to/not to gank? (nothing good to drop?)

Sympathi - Archosaur

Aizza - Harshlands wrote: »

Is there some... specific reason I'd want to do this?

Player 1: "WTS Vit stone 35m!!"

You: "ill buy 30m"

Player 1: "no way its worth more"

You: "ull never sell it..."

Player 1: "Actually i sold it just now, so f u noob"

*checks inventory, still there*

You: "Fail"

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Well...clerics got screwed. kthxbai.

I know right they increased mystics healing abilities and then gave us attack skills. -_- we're still not gonna out dd a mystic, but now they might heal better than us. b:angry

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

Pychic

WOW the summon squad member and the unable to click really is nice... especially when your heading in a group of pple b:pleased

solar eclipse: AOE stealth, yo, 12meters , max 5seconds.
investigate: make u able to check other players' inventory.

urgh... kinda nasty & holy **** thats so nosy. Now we know what class hackers will be to find out who to ****.

Mystic
3rd eye: detect if there r stealth targets around u, and knock out all stealth targets 26meters around u, last 6sec.
Rejuvenation of all things: AOE rez buff-.-

useful!

Seeker
Translocation tactic: exchange position of u and ur target, sucess rate depends on ur SF, 40%-100%.
3rd eye: increase detection lvl by 31.(means u can see sins at your lvl)

curious about SF on seeker for translocation and if any sparks.... detection is useful but most sins have already 'gooned' their **** out so kinda useless now that i think about it.
Pets are meh... 30-60sec by that time i could dish out more dmg myself and kill...wtf does that pet do anyhow >.>

BM

b:surrender more stuns and **** wtf
next class leveling a bm >.>

WIZ
Arcane Light: self buff, last 5min, each time u get hit by melee normal attack, u will be knocked away 20meters and will be purified. effect has 16sec cooldown.

kinda LOL cute

Cleric

that metal mage thing is kinda weird but the HP recovery stop seems really useful

Archer
Silence: Stealth! 50mp/sec, moving, using Wings of Grace, or sparking will kick u out of stealth.

>.>;

BARB

force target skills nice


Conclusion: I want to level BM now

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver

""BrightShadow arrow: seal all targets in a 25meters line for 3sec, deal base+100%weapon + 3200dmg.""


...*evil snickers*

Eoria - Harshlands

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I know right they increased mystics healing abilities and then gave us attack skills. -_- we're still not gonna out dd a mystic, but now they might heal better than us. b:angry

I guess it's a good thing I was going to level a mystic on my account anyway. b:shutup

I need to get r8 +10 wep for her though with soulforce being expanded to all classes. -.-

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver

do they have a reason for giving soulforce to all classes? o.o;;
that seems...kind of stupid..

Celestyna - Heavens Tear

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

do they have a reason for giving soulforce to all classes? o.o;;
that seems...kind of stupid..

they make more money that way since you have to refine all your gears .. that is reason enough isnt it?

I dislike it though since it was a unique thing for my psy. The empowered vigor and diminished vigor type aoes that the mystic and archer get (respectively) are way better then the one i have which i can only cast one per 3 minutes. The clerics get soulburn that lasts a minute.. why even bother to keep working on my psy b:sad

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

do they have a reason for giving soulforce to all classes? o.o;;
that seems...kind of stupid..

Yes, to make money of it, as it's a skill directly related to how much coin you spend on your chars gear. That's probably also why they felt the need to decrease the number of mirage stones on the market. Now we know the real reason they removed mirages completely from a lot of TTs, both through putting them in fairy boxes to begin with and then removing the fairy box.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Aizza - Harshlands wrote: »

Is there some... specific reason I'd want to do this?

Maybe this is how to know which Red Name to/not to gank? (nothing good to drop?)

Skill to farm red-names for drops.

You pve too much? b:chuckle

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

do they have a reason for giving soulforce to all classes? o.o;;
that seems...kind of stupid..

They have a damn good reason for giving soulforce to everyone. Greater damage/effectiveness on certain skills is now tied to the level of your soul force.

To get higher soulforce means more refines.

To get more refines means more credit card swipes.