Countries with VAT fees - Change in ZEN Charge Policy

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  • deus69
    deus69 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    let us keep it simple....
    PWE must adjust the amount of Zen we Europeans get with our Euros, so that it equals too the amount we got before this change happened b:bye
  • Woundedknee - Heavens Tear
    Woundedknee - Heavens Tear Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    OMG...im not playing the game atm due to the mrs giving birth to twins b:victory AND now ive seen this thread while checking up on the game i enjoy i will not be coming back!!

    The Mrs was never to happy with the fact i charged zen but with been financially stable it was never a real problem BUT theres no way im paying an additional 20-25% for zen, hell would have to freeze over and the average american would have to make their way out of the idiot club before i even thought about it......hmmm, hell may freeze but the later? no chance

    b:byePWI
  • Yesmayo - Raging Tide
    Yesmayo - Raging Tide Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Pfft when i was visiting romania and played PWI this past summer, they told me i can only use euros, clearly i didnt want to spend more and try USD, but they said "no, you must exchange your currency into euros and charge zen with that b:chuckle PWI if I were you i'd start looking for jobs now kidsb:thanks
  • NinjaStix - Lost City
    NinjaStix - Lost City Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    b:beatup Silly Euro tards thinking that PWE/PWi will go down the drain just b/c 20% of it's ignorant customers will stop charging Zen.

    You do realise that they probably make a 500% profit after paying all their employees, server, power and internet fees right? b:kiss Good luck thinkin' you'll make a difference, but you won't.

    (I'm not American either, so don't try to stereotype my arrogance).
  • Shijoru - Sanctuary
    Shijoru - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    NinjaStix - Lost City wrote: »
    b:beatup Silly Euro tards thinking that PWE/PWi will go down the drain just b/c 20% of it's ignorant customers will stop charging Zen.

    You do realise that they probably make a 500% profit after paying all their employees, server, power and internet fees right? b:kiss Good luck thinkin' you'll make a difference, but you won't.

    (I'm not American either, so don't try to stereotype my arrogance).

    PWE dont really make a profit at all .. think of the games licences they bought this year .. for each game they maybe need 10 or more servers .. some games are cheaper in investment and others cost a damn lot ... furthermore they need special rooms for the servers, switches, routers (i guess cisco products), tons of ethernet and fiber cables, highly security for the rooms, a damn good cooling system, electricity and more .. that all must be paid somehow

    trust me .. the money they get from zenchargers are for the stuff ive listed above and yes also for the devs, marketing groups or network administrators they have

    i bet the only profit comes from partners and maybe just a little bit from the zenchargers

    and if they really make 500% profit why they cant give us european just 20% more zen for charging? ... think about it
  • NinjaStix - Lost City
    NinjaStix - Lost City Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Shijoru - Sanctuary wrote: »
    PWE dont really make a profit at all .. think of the games licences they bought this year .. for each game they maybe need 10 or more servers .. some games are cheaper in investment and others cost a damn lot ... furthermore they need special rooms for the servers, switches, routers (i guess cisco products), tons of ethernet and fiber cables, highly security for the rooms, a damn good cooling system, electricity and more .. that all must be paid somehow

    trust me .. the money they get from zenchargers are for the stuff ive listed above and yes also for the devs, marketing groups or network administrators they have

    i bet the only profit comes from partners and maybe just a little bit from the zenchargers

    and if they really make 500% profit why they cant give us european just 20% more zen for charging? ... think about it

    Why can't they give "you Europeans" 20% more Zen for charging? Because you're no more special then an American, German, Australian etc.

    Really, they don't make a profit? Okay let's do some basic logical maths here;
    It costs roughly $1000 per month to fund a server (Internet, power & maintenance), PWI (Yes the game, not the company PWE) has 9 servers.
    Let's say there's roughly 1000 people on each server at any given time. Now we're going to assume that 30% play entirely for free, 30% charge $20 a month, 30% charge $100 & the remaining 10% charge over $250.

    You do the maths and then tell me they don't make a profit.
  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    NinjaStix - Lost City wrote: »
    Why can't they give "you Europeans" 20% more Zen for charging? Because you're no more special then an American, German, Australian etc.[...]

    Pro tip, Germany is part of the EU b:chuckle
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  • condofar
    condofar Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    in the last quarter the profit was 17 million us dollars
  • X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear
    X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,301 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

    Pro tip, Germany is part of the EU b:chuckle

    Bet he was American.
  • Yesmayo - Raging Tide
    Yesmayo - Raging Tide Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Lol It was obvious that he was
  • NinjaStix - Lost City
    NinjaStix - Lost City Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Nothing obvious about it, because I'm Australian.

    /palm
  • Shijoru - Sanctuary
    Shijoru - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    NinjaStix - Lost City wrote: »
    Why can't they give "you Europeans" 20% more Zen for charging? Because you're no more special then an American, German, Australian etc.

    Really, they don't make a profit? Okay let's do some basic logical maths here;
    It costs roughly $1000 per month to fund a server (Internet, power & maintenance), PWI (Yes the game, not the company PWE) has 9 servers.
    Let's say there's roughly 1000 people on each server at any given time. Now we're going to assume that 30% play entirely for free, 30% charge $20 a month, 30% charge $100 & the remaining 10% charge over $250.

    You do the maths and then tell me they don't make a profit.

    it cost more than $200.000 to build up one .. yes 1 server with the specific hardware like HDD, Switches, and the network- or internetconnection .. thats not only 1 little cable .. thats maybe 24 ethernet cables for the high speed... dont got enough? just think of backups .. and i guess they dont use just a normal backup .. i bet they also use a RAID 5 .. oh u dont know whats a RAID 5 or RAID 1 or a RAID 0? b:laugh

    if u want to learn more then make an aprentice as an IT-Specialist in Systemintegration like me b:victory .. and $1000 seems a bit low because u forgot the cooling, the security and the upgrades
  • NinjaStix - Lost City
    NinjaStix - Lost City Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Shijoru - Sanctuary wrote: »
    it cost more than $200.000 to build up one .. yes 1 server with the specific hardware like HDD, Switches, and the network- or internetconnection .. thats not only 1 little cable .. thats maybe 24 ethernet cables for the high speed... dont got enough? just think of backups .. and i guess they dont use just a normal backup .. i bet they also use a RAID 5 .. oh u dont know whats a RAID 5 or RAID 1 or a RAID 0? b:laugh

    if u want to learn more then make an aprentice as an IT-Specialist in Systemintegration like me b:victory .. and $1000 seems a bit low because u forgot the cooling, the security and the upgrades

    I never said a single thing about the costs of BUILDING a server, which I am quite aware of. Maintenance on the other hand, does not cost much, updates are not as expensive as you make them out to be. If the software/hardware is stable, costs will obviously be low and PWi servers seem pretty stable to me, considering there hasn't been a hard crash ever as far as I can recall (I joined May 2008).

    Learn your facts, don't be biased to prove someone wrong with fantasy figures because you think that PWE is ripping you off.
  • LilithPaige - Dreamweaver
    LilithPaige - Dreamweaver Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    <- Was about to charge 30 gold, to split between 50 packs on PWI and a load of stars of hope on FW... Then realized you wanna make me pay 20% more since I live in the UK and DONT use the Euro... Oh well. What will I do with my 20 pounds now..... hmmmmm Save it for SWTOR!!! I bet they have plenty to give me when the game comes out, heck I can even buy 2 months subscription for that, since they aren't charging me extra for NOT useing the Euro! b:chuckle b:pleased
  • foppy
    foppy Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    i for one wont be charging at rip off rates.
  • MeaMoeYao - Lost City
    MeaMoeYao - Lost City Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    My partner and I were about to charge zen when we made the Euro only discovery, upon reading the thread will keep my response short.

    I've always been bothered by Europe trying to incorporate the UK into their failed mess of a union, so far we have maintained our individuality in hopefully all aspects including currency.

    So regardless of all the greed and profit arguments, we will not charge Zen on the principle that the Euro is not our currency, GBP please thanks bye.
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  • _Morigan_ - Harshlands
    _Morigan_ - Harshlands Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Pyrostormz - Raging Tide wrote: »
    you have studied a lot of international finance i see *insert sarcasm here*

    companies do not make less in some countries because they charge different prices, they tend to go for the same profits everywhere
    the reason why the prices charged are not the same equivalent country to country tends to do with cost of labor, taxes, ect, which pretty much do not apply in this case

    really, dont comment on something you dont know much about

    usually i dont rage on ppl here, but u seem to be different.

    you are an idiot.
  • jimbillybob46310
    jimbillybob46310 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    FYI PWE doesnt give 2 sh!ts about its players anymore ........................REGUARDLESS of WHERE your from.
    I believe that i read that PW "tried " to continue to pay this "fee" but wasnt allowed to anymore. If they were willing to continue to pay it then whats the issue with adjusting the damn Zen exchange rate to solve the problem?
    IJS

    I also agree that if people paying in USD suddenly had to pay 20-25% more for the same amout of Zen they woud go APESH!T too.
    And before you flame, im american paying in USD and i would be PISSED!
  • Purge - Raging Tide
    Purge - Raging Tide Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    NinjaStix - Lost City wrote: »
    Why can't they give "you Europeans" 20% more Zen for charging? Because you're no more special then an American, German, Australian etc.

    Bypassing the glaringly hilarious "Europeans...no more special than...German" gaffe...

    We WERE getting...1000Zen for 10USD
    We would currently get 1000Zen for 9Euro = approx 826Zen for 10USD

    It's not about getting more...it's about getting (approximately) the same!
  • Minimus_ - Sanctuary
    Minimus_ - Sanctuary Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    MeaMoeYao - Lost City wrote: »
    I've always been bothered by Europe trying to incorporate the UK into their failed mess of a union, so far we have maintained our individuality in hopefully all aspects including currency.

    The UK insisted to be part of this failed mess and joined freely 1973
    Middle lane, middle lane.. b:shutup
  • kurosake
    kurosake Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Hi.

    Very dissapointed with these decisions and lack of compensation. Not prepared to charge at current prices. Was prepared before.

    Shame.

    Regards.
  • Minimus_ - Sanctuary
    Minimus_ - Sanctuary Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    And additionally plat charms went up from 2 gold to 3 if I am not mistaken
    Middle lane, middle lane.. b:shutup
  • Akame_Iga - Dreamweaver
    Akame_Iga - Dreamweaver Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    frankieraye wrote: »
    *Copied from Shnuggles' posts here and here*


    Further Clarification Below:


    There was a law passed in Europe earlier this year that placed regulations for all businesses that have operations within the European Union that has forced this change. Companies were given a certain amount of time to comply to these new regulations and that time is now.


    Prior to the change, Perfect World Entertainment was paying the VAT taxes for all of our European players and when this law was passed, we explained to the European officials that our company was paying this additional fee for our users so that they can continue to pay in United States Dollars and we were informed that we were no longer allowed to do so. That information came straight from the people in charge of these new regulations for Europe. Perfect World Entertainment was then forced to abide by these new regulations and we were forced to make the change you now see.


    If you are playing from Europe, you are no longer allowed to pay in United States Dollars which is why you no longer see that option. This has absolutely nothing to do with greed or wanting more money or any other negative connotation that has been thrown out there in regards to the change. We as a company are simply complying to the new laws put in place in order for our company to continue operations in you local region. Had we not complied to these new regulations, we would have to just pull out of operations in those areas and no longer provide service to those regions.

    That is fine and all, but when do you guys cut down the price in Euro so we don't get scammed horrible compared to the US people we would still pay like more than what they do per 1 gold that is, really gotta look into the currency differencies.. before someone decides to rise a case against you guys, easy to get more money out of people that is not aware of currency diffencies... and simply stuff like this can not be tolerated, its a business scam.

    if I buy 200 gold it is like paying ~1050DKK = 200 dollars in previous system.
    If I buy 200 gold now it is like paying ~1200DKK = around 240dollars.

    Hence you guys charge more now than before and Euros get hit by it as it is even though our currency is in a better standing that the US.
  • deus69
    deus69 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    We WERE getting...1000Zen for 10USD
    We would currently get 1000Zen for 9Euro = approx 826Zen for 10USD


    Keep it simple... PWE adjust the prices so that we chargers from all over Europe dont get lesser Zen as before.... and Zen is your currency PWE so adjust it plz... ty b:bye
  • botzlombe
    botzlombe Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    im not goinf to spent any money anymore if the Zen rates in euro wont be changed
  • Akame_Iga - Dreamweaver
    Akame_Iga - Dreamweaver Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Me neither and gonna spread the message...
  • JetDecken - Sanctuary
    JetDecken - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    snufalufaguss (on page 1)
    This shouldn't matter to anyone because, as we all know, everyone here farms their OP gears. At least that is why I hear many rank 9 players say and internet people don't lie.

    I totally agree lol that's what I hear too, I dont hear anyone saying "I just charge zen"...
  • ToxinStrike - Momaganon
    ToxinStrike - Momaganon Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Im with PWI for such a long time ...
    I've always invested money when I've seen nice sales but thats OVER!

    I have no problem spending money but I have a freaking problem when ppl try to fool me.

    And what PWE does to its european players is nothing but a bad joke!

    Im not going to spend anything anymore until you guys lower the cost.

    I am not going to pay more than someone from the US, I am not going to charge until the cost is lowerd at least 20% to match the price I've payed before.
  • liamhallett86#4514
    liamhallett86#4514 Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    omfg... played free for almost 2 weeks now because for this...i love it! pwi u r like a bank...keep savin...boom when rl things occurs i got the money invested there insteadb:thanks
  • SmellsFishy - Dreamweaver
    SmellsFishy - Dreamweaver Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited October 2011
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    Still waiting for a CM to answer these questions
    SmellsFishy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    1. Why was this change not announced (in the forum) until someone said something about it?
    1b. Why was this thread created and stickied only after Shuggle made multiple responses in the thread linked above?
    2. Why is there no announcement on the News page regarding the change in currency since it affects the gameplay for many of the players?
    3. Did PWI made the change quietly and hope that the (casual and hardcore) CS'ers would not notice the change and still continue to charge until they notice? That's a slimy tactic if you ask me...
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