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  • VBloodFangv - Dreamweaver
    VBloodFangv - Dreamweaver Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    wtf are you smoking? gaining chi from attacking is a glitch now?

    No, 5 APS was originally "glitch abuse".
  • Amup - Raging Tide
    Amup - Raging Tide Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    " Real dollars after the outbreak of the violent attacks on ordinary people during the Yuan Money making people auto-attacking with extra damage during the spark will no longer be their strength.Will no longer gain chi doing so and rage quit"

    b:laugh

    Amup translate in blue..

    Better ?

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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    VBloodFangv - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No, 5 APS was originally "glitch abuse".

    source? Only jealous idiots call it a glitch. Its programmed into the game very intentionally, complete with a cap, -int gear designed to complete it, and everything.

    And I always get a kick out of casters who'd like to see aps go away. 3 hour TTs would become the norm, as well as TT gear becoming ridiculously expensive. The same QQers who QQ about aps would then QQ about how the mats they need for TT90/99 now cost 15 times what they used to. Aps benefits you indirectly.

    Edit: Wanted to rage more. First, I can totally see aps being reduced as a way to support cash shoppers buying rank gear. No one would farm TT90/99 so you'd be forced to buy rank 6+ instead.

    Second, I can agree PW prolly didn't foresee the success of 5 aps damage output. Then again they prolly didn't foresee 1.8 mil damage Armageddons with rank 9 gear so I'm going to start calling the skill armageddon and barbs using vitality stones "glitch abuse" because I R pro troll.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    VBloodFangv - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No, 5 APS was originally "glitch abuse".

    How you figure that, sports fan
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    VBloodFangv - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No, 5 APS was originally "glitch abuse".

    The system is working exactly like the devs intended.
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  • FateMakerr - Heavens Tear
    FateMakerr - Heavens Tear Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    So much nerdrage in this threadb:chuckle
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  • Kreuz - Raging Tide
    Kreuz - Raging Tide Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Razorburn - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If my ability to attack 5 times per second or my abilty to stay permanetly spark is altered it will be the end of me playing this game an I will never give any game made by this company another dollar for as long as I or any of my children live.

    Lol. As if would this change affect your class at all.
  • Anelyn - Sanctuary
    Anelyn - Sanctuary Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    I believe the devs had said 5.0 was not something that was intentional and they are trying to phase it out over time. This is why they didn't put any int on BM or Sin R9 weapons.

    It's not hard to see how this could have been unforeseen. The attack speed mechanic is a very basic system and would have to be programmed very early in the game development. Most int gear is found from high level instances which weren't programmed until much later in the game.

    At the early time the 5.0 limit was introduced it could have been an arbitrary value that someone figured would never be encountered anyway. They clearly didn't put much thought into the system and didn't really foresee what would happen when people started collecting every piece of interval gear in the game at the same time.

    5.0 aps is not a glitch. It is a design flaw. The game has many design flaws. The biggest failure of the game is the dev's inability or unwillingness to correct them. Just look at how they handled the tideborn fiasco.

    Yes I am 5aps and still think it looks ****.
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    This post is legit.

    However, they also increased the amount of -int available via rolls on rank 8 and rank 9 armor. 4.0/5.0 base is easier to attain now... But without being able to perma spark it damage output is decreased...

    Will these changes stay in (or reach us) is the question, considering how much QQ and rage quitting is going on on their forum...
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  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    let the idiots quit means less spoiled "im entidled brats" in the game and more mature people willing to except change if its for the greater good
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    To be honest this "fix" is going to hurt non-sins aps users the most.

    Why? Sins ooze chi from every pore. Combine that with CE on genie and chi-issue is gone for sins.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    To be honest this "fix" is going to hurt non-sins aps users the most.

    Why? Sins ooze chi from every pore. Combine that with CE on genie and chi-issue is gone for sins.

    Not to mention that even without sparking, sins can reach 4.0 aps. And that if you take away the sparking from BMs, clawbarbs and clawarchers, you end up with Sins being ridiculously more powerful than any of them.

    And besides, since with 4.0 you can gain the 3 sparks in a duration of a 3 spark anyway. For a Sin, the spark roughly doubles your DPH, so we end up with the following:

    1. 15 seconds of DPH*2*5 = DPH*10
    2. 15 seconds of DPH*4
    Average: DPH*7

    Compared to the old DPH*10, that'll just give you 30% less DPS. Nothing major. And with chi skills, you can make that number even closer to something else.

    With 3.33, it'd be:
    1. 15 seconds of DPH*10
    2. 19 second of DPH*3.33
    Average: DPH*6.27

    For an Archer with 5 aps, the change would just give them the following:
    1. 15 seconds of DPH*10
    2. 12 seconds of DPH*5
    Average: DPH*7.77

    So, BMs and Barbs would suffer, Archers would suffer a bit less. Sins would suffer the most, but they'd still be the top of the food chain due to having the higher DPH.
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  • Tremblewith - Heavens Tear
    Tremblewith - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,558 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    I'm not as worried for the current -int builds in the game, as I am for my Barb's build and any Seeker in-game. Think about it. The normal, non claw build for Barbs.... You don't get chi fast. Not being able to obtain chi while sparked is a joke. Seriously might as well re-roll for any Barb in-game after this is put into place. It would take over five minutes for me to get 3 sparks while debuffing a boss w/ demon devour every time the proc cools down (15 seconds).
  • Sir_Puma - Raging Tide
    Sir_Puma - Raging Tide Posts: 780 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm not as worried for the current -int builds in the game, as I am for my Barb's build and any Seeker in-game. Think about it. The normal, non claw build for Barbs.... You don't get chi fast. Not being able to obtain chi while sparked is a joke. Seriously might as well re-roll for any Barb in-game after this is put into place. It would take over five minutes for me to get 3 sparks while debuffing a boss w/ demon devour every time the proc cools down (15 seconds).

    True

    I have a demon barb, not aps. And right now, my ways of gaining chi faster then normal attacking is using between attacks : Alacarity, surf impact , even frighten (even against immune bosses) . Activating demon bestial rage when ready. Chi Syphon helps too. But for each strenght, comes a weakness. I do manage to keep chi at a reasonable pace when I don't have to fight agro, but I use A LOT of mana.

    As for BM's, i woudn't see a problem that much. I don't auto-attack except on bosses I know immune to most of the attacks I have in a combo I set up that works pretty well versus magic mobs. Shadowless kick - punch- demon aeolian blade--punch -- demon draw blood--punch - demon stream strike (the one with 20% chance recover 800 hp)- punch, repeat. Sure it doesnt kill mobs as fast as punch-repeat, but its less boring to look at and gains pretty good chi.

    Sins (Although I don't have one) do seem to have a lot of chi related moves.

    Seekers have quite a few move that give "ok" chi, in combat.

    What I see in all that, is a attempt (maybe feeble) to "force" people to use more skills again, using more mana, equipping melee chars with mana charms ---> Profit

    I could be wrong though...
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    It might become more efficient to use your sparks on skills, rather than as a spark eruption?

    That would be nice.
  • Sir_Puma - Raging Tide
    Sir_Puma - Raging Tide Posts: 780 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It might become more efficient to use your sparks on skills, rather than as a spark eruption?

    That would be nice.

    I agree.

    Spark eruption would become a "extra damage, invincible (for 3 secs) purge of negative status" then followed by skills to refill chi. Sounds good, some skills do hurt quite a bit more once sparked
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It might become more efficient to use your sparks on skills, rather than as a spark eruption?

    That would be nice.

    lol..
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  • Fresh_Corpse - Sanctuary
    Fresh_Corpse - Sanctuary Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    ...what is this...i dont even...

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  • KageYingZi - Heavens Tear
    KageYingZi - Heavens Tear Posts: 823 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    真->Real
    元->Dollars,money,Chinese Currency
    暴发后->Explode,erupt
    在暴元期间->During the explosion/eruption period
    人物->People
    普通->Normal
    攻击->Attack
    将不再获得元气->Do not gain chi


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  • Razorburn - Dreamweaver
    Razorburn - Dreamweaver Posts: 188 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Well yeah what ever, fact is if you ruin chi ability like that it gonna suck. I played this game back when it took 20 mins to kill a tt boss an believe me it sucked.

    All this will do is make everything farmable in the game not worth farming. Game will be a matter of whip out the credit card, buy rank gear,orbs,packs for gems...proceed to tw/pvp untill bored.

    The game is headed towards this anyways, And obviously I won't be the only one refusing dollars to this worthless company.
  • Prophete - Dreamweaver
    Prophete - Dreamweaver Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    If it takes you 3 times longer to kill a boss, each drop will be 3 times more expensive you know.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Razorburn - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Well yeah what ever, fact is if you ruin chi ability like that it gonna suck. I played this game back when it took 20 mins to kill a tt boss an believe me it sucked.

    All this will do is make everything farmable in the game not worth farming. Game will be a matter of whip out the credit card, buy rank gear,orbs,packs for gems...proceed to tw/pvp untill bored.

    The game is headed towards this anyways, And obviously I won't be the only one refusing dollars to this worthless company.

    Um...

    Just a moment ago, I pointed out that the actual DPS loss would be between 20-40%.

    That means that things will take 25-67% more time.

    I believe the current standard of "high speed" for Nirvana is somewhere around 6-7 minutes. With this patch thingy, you'd be looking at 7.5-12 minutes.

    The pace at which things happen when you have 5 aps or multiples of them is ridiculous. Making that ridiculousity take 25-67% more time isn't going to somehow make everything look like it was pre-packs.

    It would not change the APS thing. It wouldn't change the overpowering position of sins, it might even strengthen it. It'd also favor archers, as they can have an easy 5.0 unsparked aps.
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Again BM`s will be screwed by it, same as when they removed CC. b:shocked
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Razorburn - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    All this will do is make everything farmable in the game not worth farming.

    lolwut? I suppose everything before APS and packs wasn't farmed back then...

    The actual loss is not that great.
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  • Razorburn - Dreamweaver
    Razorburn - Dreamweaver Posts: 188 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    To be very blunt Prophete, if TT stuff gained in priced, it would be become even more worthless an would be better to go strait to rank gear. Pretty sure this will be the death of tt farming.
    makes sense cause I think they are planing on makeing thier rank gear even better an more overpowered than it currently is.

    Yeah Deuce, it was farmed back then cause rank gear was not for sale for 72$. Rank 9 did not even exist.
  • hanfknolle
    hanfknolle Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    If they do this then b:bye :-) i see no sense in this :d
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    lolwut? I suppose everything before APS and packs wasn't farmed back then...

    The actual loss is not that great.

    The biggest hit would actually land on r9 Sage sins. The damage loss would be about 60%, which would pretty much make R9 useless on Sage sins, as a 4.0 sage would only suffer a loss of 25%.

    Archers can get 5.0 unsparked APS. BMs could get 4.0 unsparked, but they got Cyclone Heel to push themselves to 5.0/5.0. Clawbarbs would also suffer, but might be able to make the blow softer by using a weapon with Berserk/Frenzied Rage.
    Again BM`s will be screwed by it, same as when they removed CC.

    Actually, for a change, you'd actually need to use Cyclone Heel and get every piece of -interval. Feel the pain of sins for a change.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Razorburn - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yeah Deuce, it was farmed back then cause rank gear was not for sale for 72$. Rank 9 did not even exist.

    Who is Deuce b:question

    There will always be a market for tt99. Regardless, as I said before, the loss is not that great. Moreover, even if it were the death of tt, you can always chip the mats as well. People will always want their bonus -int or -chan.
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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited September 2011
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    Ultimately... Farming prices will see little change since Sins will still be able to do Nirvana/TT/whatever much as before. With their ridiculous chi gaining skills, a Sin with a 4aps base will... instead of being perma-sparked... now spend roughly 4-5 seconds (probably even less if they manage their chi efficiently and use genie skills) in "normal" mode before being able to demon spark again. At the most, this nerf will add an extra 5 minutes on to their farming runs. It will make soloing the tough bosses much harder for most Sins now though since being constantly perma-sparked did have its benefits such as purging/healing/etc.

    As for aps BMs, Barbs and Archers... LOL.

    Better reroll a Sin before its too late. b:avoid
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    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
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