IP Address shown in game What are you thinking GMs?
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JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is supposed to be for any unauthorized login, and why would they have to be "noobies"? I have six level 100s on a single account and sometimes I don't log some of them on for weeks. Why you could possibly be creating all of these specific scenarios is beyond me, other than possibly trying to discredit this feature without any real merit to stand on. A person logging into an account does not need to empty out every single character of their gear. In fact, they don't need to do anything. The fact that they logged in is enough of an alarm without these ridiculous scenarios you keep popping up with. As it is, your one specific scenario is f***ed if they don't take anything. Why bother with such narrow interpretations? I'm sure you well know this is beyond silly...
thats actually funny, because you are doing the exact same thing. creating your own "specific" scenarios. so dont try to pull that BS on me when u have been creating scenarios from the beginning. infact you just did it on the last page.0 -
Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »are you serious? i was talking about venuses morals of friend ship. do you read posts or are you here to troll? cuz i think its trolling or maybe your just that stupidb:bye
since your either 1) a stupid troll, or 2) have a reading disability ill copy paste the entire quote for u.
next time u try to troll don't be so obvious by only quoting 3 or 4 words to make accusations out of.
Nope, you clearly don't understand these things:
-IP Addresses
-Networking
-Internet
-Internet Security
-****(er)
-Computer stabability
How do I know you don't know what these things are? I've read your "grammatically structured" posts, and translated them into English. You don't understand these terms, so learn them. Then, after educating yourself -- make posts.
Your being a moron. You don't understand anything involving those technical terms, yet your calling everyone's opinions (which are valid), moot and wrong.
If a banana is a fruit, and you call it a vegetable... Then, ten people tell you it's a fruit... Do you continue to state that it's a vegetable or educate yourself to learn that it is indeed a fruit? In this thread you haven't educated yourself, as of yet. Ain't it a shame?0 -
Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »thats actually funny, because you are doing the exact same thing. creating your own "specific" scenarios. so dont try to pull that BS on me when u have been creating scenarios from the beginning. infact you just did it on the last page.
Heh, there is a big difference. You see, you've been claiming that it's useless. But since you guys all know how much I love words, lets examine that.
Useless
1) of no use; not serving the purpose or any purpose
2) without useful qualities; of no practical good
So you see, by Janus proving that it has uses in a broader sense and me pointing out specific examples of it having use (regardless if it's useful to you or not) the product has uses. It's doing what it's intended. Which means it's NOT useless. Whether you personally benefit is irrelevant. It's a useful security feature that will help know if there was unauthorized access to their account or not. It won't replace a GM, no one was ever arguing that it would. But considering that its been proven that having the IP address displayed isn't dangerous and that the security features does have it's uses, I fail to see why you are still angry about it.
Oh and btw, it wasn't about the morality of friendship. IT was that the feature can be used to identify friends from joe hacker across the ocean because of regional ip addresses. Your sarcastic reply that saving the friendship really wasn't a useful feature was the the only reason I even mentioned that either you didn't have friends whose friendship would be worth saving (which is sad) or that you trust your friends. As did the people who shared their info and got their stuff stolen. Just because you don't personally envision it ever happening to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to people and that it would aid the security of their systems.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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You obviously skipped (what a surprise), the very first sentence of the last post, which you quoted by the way:Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »thats actually funny, because you are doing the exact same thing. creating your own "specific" scenarios. so dont try to pull that BS on me when u have been creating scenarios from the beginning. infact you just did it on the last page.
This is supposed to be for any unauthorized login.
You're talking about the specific scenario that someone logs into an account and empties out their ****. That hardly is anywhere close at all to what someone can and would do with someone else's login. Amazing how this goes above and beyond your realm of reasoning but hardly surprising given your stream of posts.0 -
Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Nope, you clearly don't understand these things:
-IP Addresses
-Networking
-Internet
-Internet Security
-****(er)
-Computer stabability
How do I know you don't know what these things are? I've read your "grammatically structured" posts, and translated them into English. You don't understand these terms, so learn them. Then, after educating yourself -- make posts.
Your being a moron. You don't understand anything involving those technical terms, yet your calling everyone's opinions (which are valid), moot and wrong.
If a banana is a fruit, and you call it a vegetable... Then, ten people tell you it's a fruit... Do you continue to state that it's a vegetable or educate yourself to learn that it is indeed a fruit? In this thread you haven't educated yourself, as of yet. Ain't it a shame?
it's quite obvious you havent read the thread and I suggest you go back and do so. infact you havent contributed anything at all except to come in and say "LOL! ur a moron". that smells of a troll to me.You obviously skipped (what a surprise), the very first sentence of the last post:
This is supposed to be for any unauthorized login.
You're talking about the specific scenario that someone logs into an account and empties out their ****. That hardly is anywhere close at all to what someone can and would do with someone else's login. Amazing how this goes above and beyond your realm of reasoning but hardly surprising given your stream of posts.
i havent skipped it. but i love how u skipped alot of things in my posts the last few pages if you really want to go there.
this entire back and forth thing between us have been reasons to why u think its helpful and reasons to why i think it isnt. your being biased as **** if u think you havent made up scenarios to suit ur own argument.0 -
Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »it's quite obvious you havent read the thread and I suggest you go back and do so. infact you havent contributed anything at all except to come in and say "LOL! ur a moron". that smells of a troll to me.
u must b sm311Ing urs31f0 -
Sure why not. You've gone this far to try and discredit PW, us posters who don't buy into OP's nonsense, Google, hell, everyone that sees the wisdom in allowing you to see your previous login info. Wouldn't want to disappoint the readers. What specific scenarios of "everything" is there that I harp on?Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »i havent skipped it. but i love how u skipped alot of things in my posts the last few pages if you really want to go there.0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Sure why not. You've gone this far to try and discredit PW, us posters who don't buy into OP's nonsense, Google, hell, everyone that sees the wisdom in allowing you to see your previous login info. Wouldn't want to disappoint the readers. What specific scenarios of "everything" is there that I harp on?
not everyone sees that "wisdom". again your being biased as ****. there was a few ppl in this thread that didnt agree with you and u gave them all the same treatment as you are giving me just because they dont agree with you. the only ppl u are siding with is the ppl that agree with u where as everyone else are stupid or lack knowledge in ur eyes.
there was one poster you even entirely ignored all together.0 -
I'm not siding with anyone. You don't see me highfiving Trem or Venus or anyone else. They do, however, understand that this is ridiculous thing to flip out over. And I even understand that not everyone will like this feature. I don't care about convincing people to like the showing one's last login info, I do take exception to panic inducing nonsense, like the horse **** spilled in this thread about someone using your IP to DDoS you after they login to your account without authorization, as if lulzsec and Anonymous are watching this game for people's digital items to steal. Unfortunately that went over into, somehow, dismissing your misconceptions of this feature, as it is not dedicated to helping with one scenario, or two, and it's not a substitute for GM's, and it's not a deterrent to getting one's account compromised in the first place. It's a tool for more quickly identifying and possibly neutralizing a possible issue before it can turn into something worse. It's a rather high clue that you completely miss every single time what this feature was implemented for, and are using your own individual scenarios to attempt to discredit it, but who's falling for it? You seem to be the only one who actually believes what you're writing, and you're whiffing badly.Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »not everyone sees that "wisdom". again your being biased as ****. there was a few ppl in this thread that didnt agree with you and u gave them all the same treatment as you are giving me just because they dont agree with you. the only ppl u are siding with is the ppl that agree with u where as everyone else are are stupid or lack knowledge in ur eyes.
there was one poster you even entirely ignored all together.0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »I'm not siding with anyone. You don't see me highfiving Trem or Venus or anyone else. They do, however, understand that this is ridiculous thing to flip out over. And I even understand that not everyone will like this feature. I don't care about convincing people to like the showing one's last login info, I do take exception to panic inducing nonsense, like the horse **** spilled in this thread about someone using your IP to DDoS you after they login to your account without authorization, as if lulzsec and Anonymous are watching this game for people's digital items to steal. Unfortunately that went over into, somehow, dismissing your misconceptions of this feature, as it is not dedicated to helping with one scenario, or two, and it's not a substitute for GM's, and it's not a deterrent to getting one's account compromised in the first place. It's a tool for more quickly identifying and possibly neutralizing a possible issue before it can turn into something worse. It's a rather high clue that you completely miss every single time what this feature was implemented for, and are using your own individual scenarios to attempt to discredit it, but who's falling for it? You seem to be the only one who actually believes what you're writing, and you're whiffing badly.
ive been quoting both u and venus except for the last page. as for trem all he has done was insult with baseless and stupid accusations so i can really care less.
as for the paranoia thing i only speak from what i have seen and experienced. do you know a game called starcraft 2? do you know a guy named destiny that gets upwards of 7k views on justin.tv daily? if you do then you would know what happened after this player got his IP figured out and everything he had to do against the trolls. and it wasnt just destiny but one or 2 other very well known pro players in the community.
im not saying it happens often or anything nor am i trying to induce paranoia, all im saying is it can happen and has happened before. but the paranoia or trying to scare ppl wasnt my main argument. my main argument was about why this feature is is unimportant.0 -
Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »ive been quoting both u and venus except for the last page. as for trem all he has done was insult with baseless and stupid accusations so i can really care less.
as for the paranoia thing i only speak from what i have seen and experienced. do you know a game called starcraft 2? do you know a guy named destiny that gets upwards of 7k views on justin.tv daily? if you do then you would know what happened after this player got his IP figured out and everything he had to do against the trolls.
im not saying it happens often or anything nor am i trying to induce paranoia, all im saying is it can happen and has happened before. but the paranoia or trying to scare ppl wasnt my main argument. my main argument was about why this feature is is unimportant.
Yep, completely baseless accusations. Clearly. b:bye0 -
Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yep, completely baseless accusations. Clearly. b:bye
very clearly.
google the word "rootdestiny" on google. get educated.0 -
Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »very clearly.
google the word "rootdestiny" on google. get educated.
Google the terms in my post from about an hour ago. Educate yourself on technology -- the way of the future!
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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Google the terms in my post from about an hour ago. Educate yourself on technology -- the way of the future!
cool story bro0 -
Having your computer compromised via IP has always been an issue since the internet began. Someone port scanning and compromising random people via RPC exploit was a huge issue on Windows XP pre SP1 around ten years ago. The more popular one is, the more likely they are to get attacked. However, this is PWI, not some extremely popular SC2 player. The reason this feature exists is to acknowledge the fact that something can happen, however, this thing puts in your hands an easier way of identifying someone's been in your account, regardless of whether someone deleted characters or emptied out gear, or used a character to farm **** for themselves, or lured WB's to towns, or used racist terms on world chat, things I've seen before from people (regardless of whether it was their fault or not, in most cases they shared with the wrong person but nonetheless) it works for every scenario once you realize it's not your IP logged in, and can immediately change password and get a GM to intervene. I cannot possibly fathom why one would take such a big issue with this. Simply stating one dislikes it or solely finds it "unnecessary" as you state, yeah, but this was taken too far.Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »ive been quoting both u and venus except for the last page. as for trem all he has done was insult with baseless and stupid accusations so i can really care less.
as for the paranoia thing i only speak from what i have seen and experienced. do you know a game called starcraft 2? do you know a guy named destiny that gets upwards of 7k views on justin.tv daily? if you do then you would know what happened after this player got his IP figured out and everything he had to do against the trolls. and it wasnt just destiny but one or 2 other very well known pro players in the community.
im not saying it happens often or anything nor am i trying to induce paranoia, all im saying is it can happen and has happened before. but the paranoia or trying to scare ppl wasnt my main argument. my main argument was about why this feature is is unimportant.0 -
Switching to unimportant instead of useless now? Heh, if it's unimportant to you so be it but importance is mostly subjective and can't be argued easily. Just stop trying to get people paranoid about the feature by saying oh this one guys ip address was found out when he posted online videos and he got ****. If they were able to find out who he was, what his ip is, and a ton of personal information about him simply by watching a youtube video with no personal info given then that was the kind of dedicated person you can't really stop easily. That person also didn't NEED to be GIVEN the ip address, they found it out themselves. Its really not that hard to do. The fact of the matter is if they are in your account already, it's simple to get your IP whether or not pwi gives it to them. On the other hand, it's not always simple to tell your account has been compromised, until now. And no, I'm not just taking sides with Janus or Trem. Just because we both dislike that post doesn't mean we are taking each other sides. To be honest, I disagree strongly with him on some things. In my first post I even said that there was no need for name calling. It was you who insisted on continuing to spread boogie man posts about the security tools that are unwarranted.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Pusillanimous:
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JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Having your computer compromised via IP has always been an issue since the internet began. Someone port scanning and compromising random people via RPC exploit was a huge issue on Windows XP pre SP1 around ten years ago. The more popular one is, the more likely they are to get attacked. However, this is PWI, not some extremely popular SC2 player. The reason this feature exists is to acknowledge the fact that something can happen, however, this thing puts in your hands an easier way of identifying someone's been in your account, regardless of whether someone deleted characters or emptied out gear, or used a character to farm **** for themselves, or lured WB's to towns, or used racist terms on world chat, things I've seen before from people (regardless of whether it was their fault or not, in most cases they shared with the wrong person but nonetheless) it works for every scenario once you realize it's not your IP logged in, and can immediately change password and get a GM to intervene. I cannot possibly fathom why one would take such a big issue with this. Simply stating one dislikes it or solely finds it "unnecessary" as you state, yeah, but this was taken too far.
it was never my intention nor was it the main focus of my argument to make ppl paranoid. so if its any consolation to u im sry for making ppl panic that were already panicking for 3-4 pages before i came into this thread. my baaad.
also didnt expect this to go on for 10+ pages either and im getting tired of discussing it.
i dont like the feature because i dont find it useful. ive stated why i dont and im not gonna repeat myself for the 100th time. some other ppl dont like the feature. you like the feature, some other ppl also like the feature. lets leave it at that. if u want to continue with it then go for it. but im going to go watch some tv for now. but it has to stop cuz otherwise its gonna go back and forth with both of us saying the same thing over and over again forever.VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »Switching to unimportant instead of useless now? Heh, if it's unimportant to you so be it but importance is mostly subjective and can't be argued easily. Just stop trying to get people paranoid about the feature by saying oh this one guys ip address was found out when he posted online videos and he got ****. If they were able to find out who he was, what his ip is, and a ton of personal information about him simply by watching a youtube video with no personal info given then that was the kind of dedicated person you can't really stop easily. That person also didn't NEED to be GIVEN the ip address, they found it out themselves.
i still find it useless btw. also not trying to scare anyone.0 -
Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »i still find it useless btw.
How can something that has a use be useless?0 -
Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »How can something that has a use be useless?
because the use it has is also useless. bro0 -
Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »because the use it has is also useless. bro
Just because its not useful you to use, doesn't mean that other people are finding use for it. And since it has uses that they get a lot out of, it is not useless. Personal opinion doesn't change the definition of words. New usage does, but it would have to be widespread. Not someone stubbornly declaring it doesn't have a use to them, so it must be useless. IJS[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Pusillanimous:
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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »Just because its not useful you to use, doesn't mean that other people are finding use for it. And since it has uses that they get a lot out of, it is not useless. Personal opinion doesn't change the definition of words. New usage does, but it would have to be widespread. Not someone stubbornly declaring it doesn't have a use to them, so it must be useless. IJS
that same argument can be used for the ppl that find it useless. just because u find it useful for w/e u want doesnt meant others will.
that is exactly why this "debate" will go on forever.0 -
Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »that same argument can be used for the ppl that find it useless. just because u find it useful for w/e u want doesnt meant others will.
that is exactly why this "debate" will go on forever.
No, you can't use the other side of the debate for the definition of the term. The definition of the term is and will likely always be that it has no use or doesn't do what its supposed to do. If does what its supposed to do, and people find it useful, then it is not useless. Because it has use. It doesn't really matter your personal opinions on the definition of words. They mean what they mean.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »No, you can't use the other side of the debate for the definition of the term. The definition of the term is and will likely always be that it has no use or doesn't do what its supposed to do. If does what its supposed to do, and people find it useful, then it is not useless. Because it has use. It doesn't really matter your personal opinions on the definition of words. They mean what they mean.
thats fine and dandy if u want to be technical but that doesnt change anything i have said. the "uses" you find for it are so petty and insignificant that i find it useless.0 -
So...from what I can tell, this feature can be useful to some, useless to some, and harmful to no one. So overall its a good feature! b:victory0
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Dellores - Dreamweaver wrote: »So...from what I can tell, this feature can be useful to some, useless to some, and harmful to no one. So overall its a good feature! b:victory
yup. its about as "useful" as phoenix valley. u either like it or dont and u either find it useful or useless.0 -
Barunaaa made me laugh fairly hard.
Thats either some amazing trolling or you happen to be thicker than mud my friend b:victory0 -
I am a total PC noob. I went 6 months thinking FTW meant ** the World. Here is what i do know. Since my PWE account was infilitrated **** w.e the hell pro peeps want to call it, & PWE agreed was not keylogger or soemthing i did~~ I am not happy with my IP address being displayed openly~~ actually Im not comfortable with PWE taking the liberty of displaying ANYTHING i do or spend openly. It's one thing if i make myself a target or am selected randomly from a group, but to have a GAME take it upon themselves to decide what I am comfortable openly displaying or not is just not good odds. Was bad enuf when the duke blurted out every item people now possesed.. Your decisions have been less than responsible over the past 6-7 months while you were busy announcing our business in order to boost attention to the mall you have chosen to make many of us targets et the community as a whole has dealt with the backlash as gold spammers witnesses et calculated the displayed monies et moved in. Im sure there were better ways you could have went with.
Maybe you need to look back at when all of this started? When exactly these brilliant changes were made et how it evolved into this mess. Was the profit margin increased soo substantial to cover the extra man power you now need to try and clean up? Stressed employees ~~~every product you peddle now under the microscope et animal hospitals filling to the brim with the injured mice of frustrated et confused customers?
Why make the job of the "bad guys any easier, by listing players activity openly. So not only they have my address without having to do a thing~ they now see my "acheivment bs". It seems like no big deal, but they can now just sit for a week an compile info on a few "whales" then be more selective on their victims and habit/timing etc etc. Players with scheduled playing habits have fun with that :P
Anyways since PWE has decided to open this info my pop up alerts have shot up blocking an address from bosnia went from 1x every 10 minutes to 1 time every 2 minutes like contractions... Where as before I had ZERO. ABSOLUTELY ZERO! WTH? Yes, they had gotten my acct before this feature, but not via my ip ET i didnt have to deal with pop up alerts every 2 minutes from failed whoevers.... I can't wait to see what is born with this one. TBH Im glad Im on call to leave soon.
Granted it may just be a case of paranoid person, but the coincidence of all this heightened activity & blocking going on with my computer the last 24hrs is less than reassuring et my offline solitaire game being interupted 20+ times an hour from this newly appearing et verrrrrry persistent IP address is frustrating.
I do feel bad for the employees dealing with this chaos, but Im not willing to stick around when decisions that affect more than just my gametime are being gambled and I have no say in it. We've had a good business relationship, over past years no problems that couldnt be overcome, but you have really fumbled the ball on this issue, et unless you can convince me that PWE is in control of 99.99999% of their business et SOUND security decisions are being implimented my wallet is closed et I will actively search for a more stable business for future investments of time et money, whoever is managing et making those decisions for you all seems to have missed a class or two~~~perhaps they recently gained an inlaw that runs a business that benefits from your fouls. If I run into a Chinaman in a scottsdale resort handing out PWE business cartes I will make sure to send him warm salutations from his staff that are now chained in a dark basement of shame.
P.S. while writing this i have acquired 2 more persistent party crashers. *sighs* really? yahtzee with the elderly lady next door is lookign more et more appealing
"I needed a password with eight characters so I picked Snow White and the Seven Dwarves." b:beatup~ Nick Helm0 -
ItWasntMe - Raging Tide wrote: »ramb;ing nonsense.
http://www.zonealarm.com/security/en-gb/trialpay-za-signup.htm
Select the free option to the left.
I wouldnt bother with the web browser add on, its annoying personally, but do as you wish.
Your IP is no ****ing secret. This is the same as your mobile phone telling you the last number you ****ing rang.0 -
Honestly,if you don't know anything about how things work,don't go rambling like some expert and come up with the wrong conclusions.
@ItWasntMe:
Honestly,why the hell would showing off your achievements or annoucing that you won something make you a target for hackers.My god,if that was the case,people who win lotteries,walk into a pawn shop,buy a car etc. would all be victims of theft.I don't get how these are severe security breaches for crying out loud.
Also,I'm sure it's cause you downloaded something malicious that's giving you the pop-ups.If PWI was the cause,this forum would be flooded with such complaints
The previous posters already stated your IP address could be attained even before this feature.Moreover,it's not like your IP address and last login time was displayed publicly to evetry single player around you.
@OP and Barunaa:
How much more stupid can you go?You obviously don't know what you are saying and not bothering to even try to understand.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and you are just too full of pride to admit you don't understand and less educated on the subject matter at hand.0 -
1. Opinion ≠ Fact @Barunaa
2. I'm the most paranoid crazy person I know, and I actually think this feature is nice. b:shocked
3. I've taken networking classes, set up office networks, ect., so maybe since I know how this works, I believe it's pretty neat. b:pleased
4. Because I'm so paranoid, I've never been ****. Ever. In anything.
It is pretty much impossible to get **** on this game, unless you're stupid enough to share your account info or have a really really easy password. Your IP is not news to anyone, especially the internet. Most people who are expert hackers would rather go for your bank account and personal info than your pixel wardrobe.
Even I, as a med-deprived, bipolar, violent, dress wearing cleric, am not THAT paranoid about my pixels.
All in all, 10+ pages of this "debate" of the uneducated vs. those that know what the heck they're talking about has been extremely entertaining. Thank you. *slow clap*
b:laugh
EDIT: For those of you that have problems understanding...
The IP message is visible only to the person currently staring at your computer screen. And GMs.
If you really have problems with others seeing your IP often, your beef is NOT with PWI, fwi.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Slow and steady stays alive~ I'm in no rush, I'm enjoying the journey to end game just as it was ment to be. b:victory
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