IP Address shown in game What are you thinking GMs?

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

why do ppl think its some "super elite hacker" ?

the IP is given to u FOR FREE when they log on to ur account from a keylog or something. it doesnt take a super elite hacker to know that u can do some stuff with that IP.

these types of ppl wouldnt get ur IP normally, but now its givent to them freely basically. thats my point.

Well for one thing, unless I'm sharing my account info stupidly someone who got into my account is either already a super elite hacker that somehow **** my network or PWI's servers. In which case, they are going to be smart enough to know they are far more valuable things they can do inside my account and will already be know how to obtain my ip if they don't have it already. If they aren't one of these, they have done it by sending me a key logger through a suspicous website or through email or through skype etc, which means they already probably have access to my ip address. This is a security feature so that when you login, and you seen an ip address that you don't recognize, you can alert pwi that someone has unauthorized access to your account.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If someone wants to get your IP all they have to do is link an off-site image file in their forum signature while sending a PM to you, or start a skype chat or vent chat with you, or send you an e-mail that gets returned, and bam, they have your IP. There are countless ways to get an IP address especially by doing random port scans and traceroutes. There is little to no danger at all about showing a red message when people log in the game that broadcasts to them personally their last log-in info. How many fricken e-mail providers like Gmail and Yahoo and MSN do the same, especially alerting you when they see an IP log-in either through a method (POP3/browser) you never log in with, or with an IP you never log in with? You have seriously added a substantial amount of hyperbole to the danger of this, due to your own lack of education on the subject. And so far, every single person who has done the same has also demonstrated they know little on the subject..

lol @ paranoid people.

so, what your saying is since its "easy" f for someone to get ur IP and do things to it any other way that makes it OK for PWI to list ur IP on screen to whoever logs into that acc?

lets look at some facts here. your going to know someone logged into ur acc once u find all of ur rank 9 **** missing so showing there IP wont mean anything and it wont do anything if there just a casual gamer. so what is the point?

A) you already know that someone is on your account cuz all of ur equips are gone.

you are given a usless IP address that the GMs can easily track anyway. if ur just a casual player then u might not even know wtf IP even stands for let alone know what to do with it. so having it log the last IP is virtually useless since all of ur things are gone regardless.

and C) this isnt about you getting the IP personally, its about whoever logged into ur acc getting the IP when normally he wouldnt have if it didnt display the IP on page.

This is a security feature so that when you login, and you seen an ip address that you don't recognize, you can alert pwi that someone has unauthorized access to your account.

its not a security feature. what are u going to do with that IP? go cry to the GMs when u were already going to do that once u log on to find all ur stuff missing? its not gonna prevent anything.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so, what your saying is since its "easy" f for someone to get ur IP and do things to it any other way that makes it OK for PWI to list ur IP on screen to whoever logs into that acc?

lets look at some facts here. your going to know someone logged into ur acc once u find all of ur rank 9 **** missing so showing there IP wont mean anything and it wont do anything if there just a casual gamer. so what is the point?

A) you already know that someone is on your account cuz all of ur equips are gone.

you are given a usless IP address that the GMs can easily track anyway. if ur just a casual player then u might not even know wtf IP even stands for let alone know what to do with it. so having it log the last IP is virtually useless since all of ur things are gone regardless.

and C) this isnt about you getting the IP personally, its about whoever logged into ur acc getting the IP when normally he wouldnt have if it didnt display the IP on page.

If they logged into your account they probably already have your IP, that's the point trying to get across to you. And when your stuff is gone, you can give PWI the IP address right away which shortens the amount of time the person is sitting in your gear aiding the chance that they'll be able to recover it. Time is of the essence in theft cases even though most of the them end in not being able to recover the stolen goods. Remember, it wouldn't just give them your IP address, it gives you their ip address too. Which also acts as a deterrent since most crimes are crimes of opportunity and these people who get their hands on your account info but are incapable of even finding an ip address are far less likely to try to get into your account in the first place if they think they'll get caught.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so, what your saying is since its "easy" f for someone to get ur IP and do **** to it any other way that makes it OK for PWI to list ur IP on screen to whoever logs into that acc?

lets look at some facts here. your going to know someone logged into ur acc once u find all of ur rank 9 **** missing so showing there IP wont mean **** and it wont do **** if there just a casual gamer. so what is the point?

A) you already know that someone is on your account cuz all of ur equips are gone.

you are given a IP address that the GMs can easily track anyway. if ur just a casual player then u might not even know wtf IP even stands for let alone know what to do with it.

and C) this isnt about you getting the IP personally, its about whoever logged into ur acc getting the IP when normally he wouldnt have if it didnt display the IP on page.

First off, 99% of people who lose their **** lost it not because they were "****", but because they shared their account info with someone they shouldn't be trusting. Secondly, an actual hacker, of the Anonymous or lulzsec type, are not going to give two flying ****s about your digital **** in some random video game. Pretty much all of the issues surrounding losing one's account info are self-inflicted. They are not caused by someone giving your last login info to you. If this was the case, e-mails would be "****" constantly by your paranoid logic.

Example, here is Gmail's help centre, which explains why they allow you to see your last login info (including IP, client used, etc.):

https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=45938

Last account activity shows you information about recent activity in your mail. Recent activity includes any time that your mail was accessed using a regular web browser, a POP1 client, a mobile device, etc. We'll list the IP address that accessed your mail, the associated location, as well as the time and date.

To see your account activity, click the Details link next to the Last account activity line at the bottom of any Gmail page.

This sort of thing is not a novelty created by PW. It's done to increase security. Those like you criticizing it, again, have no flipping idea what you're talking about.

Also, please try and convince Google that this is a bad idea too, with this same *** backwards logic.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If they logged into your account they probably already have your IP, that's the point trying to get across to you. And when your stuff is gone, you can give PWI the IP address right away which shortens the amount of time the person is sitting in your gear aiding the chance that they'll be able to recover it. Time is of the essence in theft cases even though most of the them end in not being able to recover the stolen goods.

thats the thing, PWI already KNOWS it. if someone logged onto ur acc they can easily check who last logged on to it. u dont have to give them a IP address they they already know.

This sort of thing is not a novelty created by PW. It's done to increase security. Those like you criticizing it, again, have no flipping idea what you're talking about.

are you serious? theres actually much better security measures PWI can take to increase security. this is honestly just one of the more lazier ways out.

Also, please try and convince Google that this is a bad idea too, with this same *** backwards logic

you are missing the point entirely. this isnt about google

FiveAps - Dreamweaver

do you even read what other ppl post or you just throw sh_t around?
Check the gmail setting Janus explained.
Then go manufacture a tinfoil hat.
wear it proudly.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Okay lets put it this way. I have a tracing device on my cellphone. If someone stole my cellphone, it wouldn't be hard to figure out who I am. But since they have my cellphone, it is very easy for me to figure out who they are and send the police after them since I'm given the GPS coordinates and a map of their area when it's taken. Your complaining because omg they'll have my cellphone. Well, yes but you just as much information (and better I might add) information as they do, and unlike them have a reason to contact the proper authorities. It's a security device to help you track down who stole your stuff if they do, and deter people from doing it all at the same time. Also to further the analogy, if they broke into my house to steal my cellphone they are probably going to have more valuable stuff to do with their time than annoy my contacts with spam texting and take photographs. If they got it because I basically handed over by leaving my cellphone in the care of people I didn't know that well all the time, they probably don't have the know how to pull of a heist without getting caught anyway. And probably wouldn't want to, they probably just wanted my cellphone.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

thats the thing, PWI already KNOWS it. if someone logged onto ur acc they can easily check who last logged on to it. u dont have to give them a IP address they they already know.

are you serious? theres actually much better security measures PWI can take to increase security. this is honestly just one of the more lazier ways out.

you are missing the point entirely. this isnt about google (as if google is a legit source to get ur info from anyway)

Then enlighten PWE what better security measures they can take, along with Google and other e-mail providers that give you this info so you can better track who is logging in your account. Because you're saying you know better than them and their security experts on this subject.

Someone having your IP address doesn't inherently mean much. Look at how many people TW and are on vent and skype, both of which allow easy access to see the IP of which you're communicating with? In the case of vent they specifically see IP addresses to ban by IP. Why aren't all of these accounts being compromised by vent admins, then, despite people having their IP addresses readily available? Duh. Wanna try actually thinking yet, or are we going to continue this ridiculous paranoid charade?

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

FiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »

do you even read what other ppl post or you just throw sh_t around?
Check the gmail setting Janus explained.
Then go manufacture a tinfoil hat.
wear it proudly.

sigh since ppl are so freaking stupid ill explain why its not the same. here is something straight from the page he gave.




google does not display YOUR IP address to the person/people they beleive are suspicios and doing suspicious activity on that acc. PWI however does.

along with Google and other e-mail providers that give you this info so you can better track who is logging in your account. Because you're saying you know better than them and their security experts on this subject.

*facepalm*

do you have any clue on how they work or are u just copy pasting random ****? they list to YOU the IP address. anyone they find suspicious on the acc will not receive this IP information/alerts. PWI gives it to whoever logs on.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

sigh since ppl are so freaking stupid ill explain why its not the same. here is something straight from the page he gave.




google does not display YOUR IP address to the person/people they beleive are suspicios and doing suspicious activity on that acc. PWI however does.

If they have your gmail all they have to do is send themselves an email that gets kicked back, it takes like 2 minutes.

XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver

allllll of this can beavoided if you just play and surf behind a proxy. such as wtfast and tor.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If they have your gmail all they have to do is send themselves an email that gets kicked back, it takes like 2 minutes.

did u read what i said? google does not willingly display ur IP to any suspicious person for those same security reasons. it is up to whoever is on ur gmail acc doing those suspicious activity to get that info themselves. google doesnt display it willingly to anyone other then the legitamate acc holder.


which is why its not the same as PWI giving the last log IP to ANYONE that logs in.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

sigh since ppl are so freaking stupid ill explain why its not the same. here is something straight from the page he gave.

google does not display YOUR IP address to the person/people they beleive are suspicios and doing suspicious activity on that acc. PWI however does.

*facepalm*

do you have any clue on how they work or are u just copy pasting random ****? they list to YOU the IP address. anyone they find suspicious on the acc will not receive this IP information/alerts. PWI gives it to whoever logs on.

Good lord are you missing some brain cells. All that person who accessed the e-mail has to do is look at e-mail headers from sent pieces of e-mail and they, zomg, have your IP address(es). Go check your own e-mail headers for crying out loud. As I've been explaining this whole time your IP address is already extremely easy to get. The tool, just like Gmail's, is for YOU to identify the last login for YOUR own account. If someone logs into your account and sees your IP, a) one must identify how they logged into the account in the first place, and b) them having your IP address isn't inherently giving them access to your machine. This is the kool-aid you are drinking. I love how everyone here is stupid but you. You should revise that logic.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Good lord are you missing some brain cells. All that person who accessed the e-mail has to do is look at e-mail headers from sent pieces of e-mail and they, zomg, have your IP address(es). Go check your own e-mail headers for crying out loud. As I've been explaining this whole time your IP address is already extremely easy to get. The tool, just like Gmail's, is for YOU to identify the last login for YOUR own account. If someone logs into your account and sees your IP, a) one must identify how they logged into the account in the first place, and b) them having your IP address isn't inherently giving them access to your machine. This is the kool-aid you are drinking. I love how everyone here is stupid but you. You should revise that logic.

sigh i dont feel like repeating myself so read the post directly above urs.

it is up to whoever is on ur acc to get that info. google does not give it out to anyone suspicious for those same security reasons.

its quite obvious that all your doing is randomly copy pasting information and u have no clue on how that information works other then what google tells u on the help page -_-


i dont even know why your trying to compare gmail to a MMO anyway. the security they should use is diffrent. not only that but PWI is one of the extremly rare MMOs to actually do this.

displaying the IP on a MMO like this one wont do much of anything in terms of security. all of the items on your acc will still be gone and all of ur chars will be deleted and you will STILL have to email the GMs to get it resolved. the only diffrence now is that u have a IP to give the GMs so they wont have to go through all of the work of finding it. but even then they still have to log your acc info to find out if u truly were **** and not just telling a lie.

this "security" measure is honestly just a lazy way out. what they should do instead is come up with a security method that PREVENTS u from getting **** by stupid stuff like keyloggers or something instead of giving u a random IP that serves no purpose other then to give it to a GM that already knows what happened anyway.


edit: why are ppl saying im paranoid? im far from it actually. im just saying how stupid of an idea this is and all of a sudden im paranoid? wow.

Aranarwa - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

.......... but PWI is one of the extremly rare MMOs to actually do this.

this is completely irrelevant.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

displaying the IP on a MMO like this one wont do much of anything in terms of security. all of the items on your acc will still be gone and all of ur chars will be deleted and you will STILL have to email the GMs to get it resolved. the only diffrence now is that u have a IP to give the GMs so they wont have to go through all of the work of finding it. but even then they still have to log your acc info to find out if u truly were **** and not just telling a lie.

this "security" measure is honestly just a lazy way out.

Lazy way out? o_O
The feature allows for a quicker resolution of the problem in case you get ****.
But I guess you prefer GM's to waste time by searching for the information themselves.
Valuable time they could better spend elsewhere.........

You may have guessed it: I like the feature

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

sigh i dont feel like repeating myself so read the post directly above urs.

it is up to whoever is on ur acc to get that info. google does not give it out to anyone suspicious for those same security reasons.

its quite obvious that all your doing is randomly copy pasting information and u have no clue on how that information works other then what google tells u on the help page -_-


i dont even know why your trying to compare gmail to a MMO anyway. the security they should use is diffrent. not only that but PWI is one of the extremly rare MMOs to actually do this.

displaying the IP on a MMO like this one wont do much of anything in terms of security. all of the items on your acc will still be gone and all of ur chars will be deleted and you will STILL have to email the GMs to get it resolved. the only diffrence now is that u have a IP to give the GMs so they wont have to go through all of the work of finding it. but even then they still have to log your acc info to find out if u truly were **** and not just telling a lie.

this "security" measure is honestly just a lazy way out.

Who am I copy pasting my opinions from? Citations please? I'm clearly showing you with examples including commonly used 3rd party clients like vent and skype how easy your IP address is to get yet you (from my own wisdom of the subject, something you lack) conveniently ignore these and try to obfuscate a very clear message that showing one's last login info to their own self is beneficial and not a security threat as you would like to make it seem.

The reason this is added is so one can actually do something about this for a few added reasons:

1) GM's don't inherently know your account was compromised. Server software can detect IP logins from people across the world and can ban the account if it was deemed compromised until the person unlocks their account (this has happened before).

2) GM's aren't always there to assist, so this helps you be the first do to something about it and change your own password if your account was compromised and do a system scan for trojans/keyloggers/viruses. If you have something on your machine like a keylogger then that's out of the GM's hands anyways. For one reason or another, you just love to assert how useless and dangerous showing your IP is without a fundamental understanding of how widely seen your IP already is, and a paranoid attitude about people hacking accounts just because of having your IP address. Too bad you're so lost in your own stupidity and paranoia to figure out that this is nothing new to games, this is nothing new to the internet, and it is widely seen, and for a good reason, as a security feature. If you don't like it, or see it as pointless, fine, whatever, however, when you spew **** like you have been, you get put in your place.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

Aranarwa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

this is completely irrelevant.




Lazy way out? o_O
The feature allows for a quicker resolution of the problem in case you get ****.
But I guess you prefer GM's to waste time by searching for the information themselves.
Valuable time they could better spend elsewhere.........

You may have guessed it: I like the feature

define "quick" when it takes weeks and weeks (sometimes months) for them to even respond to the ticket? months might be a bit exaggerated, but it does take them awhile to respond at all sometimes.

1) GM's don't inherently know your account was compromised. Server software can detect IP logins from people across the world and can ban the account if it was deemed compromised until the person unlocks their account (this has happened before).

2) GM's aren't always there to assist, so this helps you be the first do to something about it and change your own password if your account was compromised and do a system scan for trojans/keyloggers/viruses. If you have something on your machine like a keylogger then that's out of the GM's hands anyways. For one reason or another, you just love to assert how useless and dangerous showing your IP is without a fundamental understanding of how widely seen your IP already is, and a paranoid attitude about people hacking accounts just because of having your IP address. Too bad you're so lost in your own stupidity and paranoia to figure out that this is nothing new to games, this is nothing new to the internet, and it is widely seen, and for a good reason, as a security feature. If you don't like it, or see it as pointless, fine, whatever, however, when you spew **** like you have been, you get put in your place.

1) does PWI even have that software? cuz i doubt they do.

2) like i said before thats something you would do regardless. your acc was just **** and all ur chars were deleted. obviously your going to change your acc info. same thing with system scans.

also i already know how widly known my IP is. anyone that has been a mod on a forum or has been "IP banned" knows this. but u seem to be constantly missing the point ive been trying to make over and over again and pointing to Gmail as a useless example to my points.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

define "quick" when it takes weeks and weeks (sometimes months) for them to even respond to the ticket?

Quick as in you can do something about it yourself and either a) change your password, or b) do a system scan of viruses/keyloggers/trojans. Is it really that hard to think? I guess so. You seem to be one of an extreme few not to get it.

Aranarwa - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

define "quick" when it takes weeks and weeks (sometimes months) for them to even respond to the ticket?

EDIT: Ninjad by Janus

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Quick as in you can do something about it yourself and either a) change your password, or b) do a system scan of viruses/keyloggers/trojans. Is it really that hard to think? I guess so. You seem to be one of an extreme few not to get it.

so u need a IP address to change the password to ur acc despite already seeing that all of ur chars were deleted? seriously? are u serious?

why the hell would u not do all of that stuff in the first place? why do u need to see the IP to know that you have to change your password/scan comp?

first of all scanning ur comp is something u should do weekly. and 2ndly changing ur password every so often is something u should do often to. but after you log on to ur acc and see all of ur chars deleted or **** then you KNOW its time to do something about it. u dont need a IP for information u already know.

DoggyStylin - Sanctuary

Whoops...

SugarPrinces - Sanctuary

Personally, i think its a great idea having the last few IP's listed, its a great security feature to know if you've been **** or not.. I quit a certain 15$ mmo over 3 years ago and have constantly been getting fake emails from people posing as a certain company, which i shrugged off as fake and spam and just deleted without even reading.. then I got a notification popup in my gmail that my email had been logged into from an overseas location, so i went and changed password etc, the usual stuff to do, and went and checked my 3-year old account on that certain company website directly and sure enough, it had been reactivated, and an 10-day trial of an expansion had been just recently turned on... if it werent for the listing of ip addresses that google gave me in the popup warning i would have never known seeing as i ignore any emails from that company anymore after 3 years.. for pwi to implement a similar security feature is great, especially since the payment system saves your payment info somewhat. if you see an ip address other then your own, might wanna go check your account info.

as for your ip addresses changing, yeah, they do, on cable and PPoE DSL connections, however, most isp's use a very long lease time before the ip expires, so, resetting your modem will likely not get you a new ip address, and the ip you do get is usually linked to your pc or router's (depending on if you're using a router or not) mac address on the isp's server, i discovered this when my router fried and i had to go straight-in to the pc, got a whole new IP when i powered up the modem, but any other time i've rebooted the modem, same ip.

Who the heck cares about your ip address being displayed to anyone... are you aware that ANY blog you view on blogspot logs your ip address and the blog owner can view it in a list with all the others?? photobucket does the same, as do a bazillion other websites, even downloading the PWI client using the bittorrent method gives out your ip address to everyone else who is downloading it.. theres not alot you can do with just an ip address, most firewalls (even windows's built-in garbage) will block a port scan attempt, and without an open port to go in on, hackers will have a relatively hard time getting into your machine.

However, if you like to wear tinfoil hats.. go into your windows network adapter properties, and find the port filtering page, and set it up to filter anything but port 80.. then.. all you'll have is web browser capabilities, everything else will be blocked, in or out, including all your games...

Aranarwa - Heavens Tear

@ Barunaa:

I refuse to further debate with someone so blatantly stubborn to even consider the positives of the feature.......sigh

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

Aranarwa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@ Barunaa:

I refuse to further debate with someone so blatantly stubborn to even consider the positives of the feature.......sigh

you still never answered my question tho. you log onto your acc and see all of ur chars deleted or all of ur gear missing. do u honestly not think u have not been **** and need a IP address to check that u have been **** or not?

am i missing something here? it should be fairly obvious that u have been **** when you log on to your acc with all ur 100+ characters deleted. why do you need a IP address for that? you SEE all of your **** gone so why do u need the IP to let u know if u been **** or not?

like seriously am i missing something hereb:surrender you are going to go through the exact same methods to report the **** that you were doing before this was implemented and you will be doing the exact same safety precautions. nothing has changed. your stuff is still gone and you still need to contact GMs to get it resolved.

dont you think a security feature to PREVENT you from getting **** in the first place would be a much better idea? id like to think so.

Aranarwa - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you still never answered my question tho. you log onto your acc and see all of ur chars deleted or all of ur gear missing. do u honestly not think u have not been **** and need a IP address to check that u have been **** or not?

am i missing something here? it should be fairly obvious that u have been **** when you log on to your acc with all ur 100+ characters deleted. why do you need a IP address for that? you SEE all of your **** gone so why do u need the IP to let u know if u been **** or not?

like seriously am i missing something hereb:surrender

Last try....

In a previous post I explained that it will save time for the GM's (shorten their investigation time).......
How hard is it to understand this?


* now leaves thread to never return to it again*

Allisandre - Sanctuary

LOL at everyone freaking out about this. Every time you post your IP address is tracked. It's not going to change anything.

And if you're really worried, spoof your IP address. Then you'll have to worry about getting banned though.

Of course, if you're that paranoid, I believe someone mentioned getting a tin hat already. Truly, the only one that will see it is you, and whoever it is that you gave your login info that "****" your account.

Accounts don't get ****, people are just stupid with their data. Either they share it, use the same login for everything and their friends can figure it out, or have stupid simple logins and passwords that anyone who knows them can guess a few times at and figure out.


EDIT: oh and to the original poster, it's the Dev's in China that make changes to the games. GM's are just the customer support desk. Why doesn't anyone get this?

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you still never answered my question tho. you log onto your acc and see all of ur chars deleted or all of ur gear missing. do u honestly not think u have not been **** and need a IP address to check that u have been **** or not?

am i missing something here? it should be fairly obvious that u have been **** when you log on to your acc with all ur 100+ characters deleted. why do you need a IP address for that? you SEE all of your **** gone so why do u need the IP to let u know if u been **** or not?

like seriously am i missing something hereb:surrender you are going to go through the exact same methods to report the **** that you were doing before this was implemented and you will be doing the exact same safety precautions. nothing has changed. your stuff is still gone and you still need to contact GMs to get it resolved.

dont you think a security feature to PREVENT you from getting **** in the first place would be a much better idea? id like to think so.

What's faster scanning a finger print database and getting all the necessary permissions when someone steals from a store, to catch a repeat offender. Or the store owner calling the police saying Jack Daniels did it, and showing them the video so they can arrest the crook hopefully before they fence the stuff. Same concept.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

Aranarwa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Last try....

In a previous post I explained that it will save time for the GM's (shorten their investigation time).......
How hard is it to understand this?


* now leaves thread to never return to it again*

sigh. do u know how long it takes for a GM to pull up ur acc and check who logged into it? the IP info they already have and can easily check who was last on ur acc. the resources for them to do that is at their fingertips. do u really thing giving them the IP to something they ALREADY HAVE THE MEANS TO FIND OUT will shorten the investigation by that much? thats very naive.

What's faster scanning a finger print database and getting all the necessary permissions when someone steals from a store, to catch a repeat offender. Or the store owner calling the police saying Jack Daniels did it, and showing them the video so they can arrest the crook hopefully before they fence the stuff. Same concept.

thats terrible analogy. have u seen a GM account in action? the IP address of a player is actually displayed in the HUD in some games. thats how easy it is. its litterally displayed on screen at the click of a button. im not saying thats how PWIs tools work, but it shouldnt be that drastically diffrent.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so u need a IP address to change the password to ur acc despite already seeing that all of ur chars were deleted? seriously? are u serious?

why the hell would u not do all of that stuff in the first place? why do u need to see the IP to know that you have to change your password/scan comp?

first of all scanning ur comp is something u should do weekly. and 2ndly changing ur password every so often is something u should do often to. but after you log on to ur acc and see all of ur chars deleted or **** then you KNOW its time to do something about it. u dont need a IP for information u already know.

First off, people don't inherently know someone else was on their account. Secondly, showing the IP address is an alert that another IP address was logged in. If the people are able to get to your account in the first place and you don't log in for a week giving them time to delete your character(s), there's little that can be done. Monitoring who logs in with what IP in real time really isn't something GM's can do or be expected to do. Therefore, they give you a tool to more quickly recognize if someone has been on your account so you can quickly make changes.

All of this other gobbledygook you keep spewing is really quite irrelevant and is just you getting up on your soap box.

sigh. do u know how long it takes for a GM to pull up ur acc and check who logged into it? the IP info they already have and can easily check who was last on ur acc. the resources for them to do that is at their fingertips. do u really thing giving them the IP to something they ALREADY HAVE THE MEANS TO FIND OUT will shorten the investigation by that much? thats very naive.

Only partially true. A GM isn't available 24/7, whereas when you log in, you can check your last login info and holy ****, if someone was logged in, do something about it now. Really difficult, isn't it? The whole reason this was added was so that you don't have to rely on a GM to find out. You can do something about it ASAP. Try and think for once. I doubt you can.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

First off, people don't inherently know someone else was on their account. Secondly, showing the IP address is an alert that another IP address was logged in. If the people are able to get to your account in the first place and you don't log in for a week giving them time to delete your character(s), there's little that can be done. Monitoring who logs in with what IP in real time really isn't something GM's can do or be expected to do. Therefore, they give you a tool to more quickly recognize if someone has been on your account so you can quickly make changes.

If I could attempt to translate...

I think she's saying that, even if you were alerted to someone else's use of your account to make the appropriate changes, it would be useless after the fact because if someone already got into your account, your unbound gear/items/etc. are immediately forfeit. Obviously if you log in one day and see all your chars meditating, you can take action. This is less true for your items.

And yeah, you could launch a GM investigation to get your items back, etc. etc., but providing them the culprit's IP won't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with her here, just thought I'd try to clarify.

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