IP Address shown in game What are you thinking GMs?

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

Only partially true. A GM isn't available 24/7, whereas when you log in, you can check your last login info and holy ****, if someone was logged in, do something about it now. Really difficult, isn't it? The whole reason this was added was so that you don't have to rely on a GM to find out. You can do something about it ASAP. Try and think for once. I doubt you can.

i am going to give you benefit of the doubt and say this is useful for if someone logs on to ur acc and does nothing to it. none of ur gear is gone and nothing as been touch, but u know someone was on it from the logs. ill give u that one.


but if you log on to find all of your things gone then I WILL DO SOMETHING ASAP. i do not need the IP address to know that ive been **** and to know i need to do something. why cant u understand that simple concept?

if a GM is not available then the IP still wont help u cuz it is the GMs that can restore ur acc. knowing the IP address wont do jack.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

First off, people don't inherently know someone else was on their account. Secondly, showing the IP address is an alert that another IP address was logged in. If the people are able to get to your account in the first place and you don't log in for a week giving them time to delete your character(s), there's little that can be done. Monitoring who logs in with what IP in real time really isn't something GM's can do or be expected to do. Therefore, they give you a tool to more quickly recognize if someone has been on your account so you can quickly make changes.

All of this other gobbledygook you keep spewing is really quite irrelevant and is just you getting up on your soap box.


Only partially true. A GM isn't available 24/7, whereas when you log in, you can check your last login info and holy ****, if someone was logged in, do something about it now. Really difficult, isn't it? The whole reason this was added was so that you don't have to rely on a GM to find out. You can do something about it ASAP. Try and think for once. I doubt you can.

^^^

This, response time is much faster when YOU can take account of your own security. And even if your account was emptied, some people do share account info (foolishly) and sometimes your friend will borrow something off of you and then be wiling to give it back. This can help those people who share info to know if its someone who is supposed to have access or not and let them respond more quickly. And no they shouldn't that, and yes it's stupid to share and no I don't do it and blah blah blah. It still accounts for most of theft. And yeah, GMs can look it up fast but if they don't have to they don't have to. Sometimes a few minutes can be the difference between an item sold in world chat or not.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

^^^

This, response time is much faster when YOU can take account of your own security. And even if your account was emptied, some people do share account info (foolishly) and sometimes your friend will borrow something off of you and then be wiling to give it back. This can help those people who share info to know if its someone who is supposed to have access or not and let them respond more quickly. And no they shouldn't that, and yes it's stupid to share and no I don't do it and blah blah blah. It still accounts for most of theft. And yeah, GMs can look it up fast but if they don't have to they don't have to. Sometimes a few minutes can be the difference between an item sold in world chat or not.

sharing acc info is against the TOS. so again not a good example at all.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i am going to give you benefit of the doubt and say this is useful for if someone logs on to ur acc and does nothing to it. none of ur gear is gone and nothing as been touch, but u know someone was on it from the logs. ill give u that one.

but if you log on to find all of your things gone then I WILL DO SOMETHING ASAP. i do not need the IP address to know that ive been **** and to know i need to do something. why cant u understand that simple concept?

No, it's not useful for just someone logging into your account and doing nothing. It's useful for any situation other than your characters being deleted in figuring out the IP address, and even if no harm was done, regardless of the scenario (besides having characters deleted), in every other circumstance it's highly useful as a warning. Especially in the case of nothing obvious right away being done (you don't know how long until people find out), it's a way of finding out if an unauthorized login was made. It's quite amazing that you can actually have a beef with this, although it's nice that you're backing away from the ridiculous notion that someone having your IP is oh so dangerous.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If I could attempt to translate...

I think she's saying that, even if you were alerted to someone else's use of your account to make the appropriate changes, it would be useless after the fact because if someone already got into your account, your unbound gear/items/etc. are immediately forfeit. Obviously if you log in one day and see all your chars meditating, you can take action. This is less true for your items.

And yeah, you could launch a GM investigation to get your items back, etc. etc., but providing them the culprit's IP won't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with her here, just thought I'd try to clarify.

*continues to watch discussion*

Showing the player the last login info is purely beneficial for the player who owns the account. It isn't used as a tool to help GM's because they already have that information, however, they don't actively monitor every single IP that a person logs in with to be able to suddenly go "someone logged in from [so and such] IP address, is that you?". They will take notice when they see a vastly different IP range from clear across the world making logins. This much has been proven. OTOH, there's quite a number of circumstances where one may not have been discrete enough or whatever about their password when, say, typing it in at a dorm or house or LAN party with friends over, or at school. There's a nearly infinite amount of scenarios where having this information is beneficial for the account owner. If they notice a different IP than their own logged in they can alert a GM. GM's know if it's another player (very high likelihood) due to that player in just about every case having the same IP and MAC address.

Also note that I do understand where Bar is coming from I am just ignoring their single scenario because it's certainly not the only, nor the most seen, cause for alarm concerning unauthorized logins, or the hyperbole term du jour, "****".

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No, it's not useful for just someone logging into your account and doing nothing. It's useful for any situation other than your characters being deleted in figuring out the IP address, and even if no harm was done, regardless of the scenario (besides having characters deleted), in every other circumstance it's highly useful as a warning. Especially in the case of nothing obvious right away being done (you don't know how long until people find out), it's a way of finding out if an unauthorized login was made. It's quite amazing that you can actually have a beef with this, although it's nice that you're backing away from the ridiculous notion that someone having your IP is oh so dangerous.

no its not. the only person that should be on your account is YOURSELF. account sharing is against the ToS so if your acc is lost because of an account share then its possible the GMs can either ban u or not do anything at all depending on who it is.


a warning? do u know how unlikely it is for someone u dont know to log into ur acc and not do anything? if someone logs on to ur acc then its one of 2 things. 1) your friend that you are account sharing with when you shouldnt be in the first place and 2) a stranger that you dont know. and the likely hood of that stranger taking all of ur things is about 99.99%. if he doesnt then it probally was a GM and not a hacker which is the other 0.01%.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

sharing acc info is against the TOS. so again not a good example at all.

And jay walking is against the law in most states. SO what? Many adults share their accounts with their kids and you won't see them getting banned I assure you. It's still accounts for 90% of the "hacks" in this game. It still their biggest source of ticketing for hacking. And if someone stole from their account, they are still going to need to differentiate between authorized but foolish access and a true ****. Those kind of issues are more a pain to sort our then they need to be, and to be honest if the customer can sort it out before contacting customer support for help it will help cut down on their response time. Again, this is a security feature so that the lag between you noticing you got ****, and resolving the issue is shortened and it works in a variety of different ways. Just because it doesn't apply to you, doesn't mean its not useful. Someone who has your account already is going to be able to get your ip address easily anyway and there isn't much you can do with. Heck, most blogging sites even let the owner of the blog see the IPs of everyone who comments on their page. It's not for their use its for your protection. I don't get what is so hard to understand here.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And jay walking is against the law in most states. SO what? Many adults share their accounts with their kids and you won't see them getting banned I assure you. It's still accounts for 90% of the "hacks" in this game. It still their biggest source of ticketing for hacking. And if someone stole from their account, they are still going to need to differentiate between authorized but foolish access and a true ****. Those kind of issues are more a pain to sort our then they need to be, and to be honest if the customer can sort it out before contacting customer support for help it will help cut down on their response time. Again, this is a security feature so that the lag between you noticing you got ****, and resolving the issue is shortened and it works in a variety of different ways. Just because it doesn't apply to you, doesn't mean its not useful. Someone who has your account already is going to be able to get your ip address easily anyway and there isn't much you can do with. Heck, most blogging sites even let the owner of the blog see the IPs of everyone who comments on their page. It's not for their use its for your protection. I don't get what is so hard to understand here.

the point is that if you get **** by account sharing then that is your own fault. also tell that to all the other ppl that got banned specifically for account sharing.

not only that but that isnt even a real security issue or hacking issue. that is just a case of a person being so retardedly stupid as to give there info to ppl willingly.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Showing the player the last login info is purely beneficial for the player who owns the account. It isn't used as a tool to help GM's because they already have that information, however, they don't actively monitor every single IP that a person logs in with to be able to suddenly go "someone logged in from [so and such] IP address, is that you?". They will take notice when they see a vastly different IP range from clear across the world making logins. This much has been proven. OTOH, there's quite a number of circumstances where one may not have been discrete enough or whatever about their password when, say, typing it in at a dorm or house or LAN party with friends over, or at school. There's a nearly infinite amount of scenarios where having this information is beneficial for the account owner. If they notice a different IP than their own logged in they can alert a GM. GM's know if it's another player (very high likelihood) due to that player in just about every case having the same IP and MAC address.

Also note that I do understand where Bar is coming from I am just ignoring their single scenario because it's certainly not the only, nor the most seen, cause for alarm concerning unauthorized logins, or the hyperbole term du jour, "****".

I have to disagree with you on a player having the same IP and MAC address in "just about every case." I've played PWI in many different places on multiple laptops and desktops, meaning those addresses can and do change for me. Obviously those IPs are in the same general region, but as you pointed out, unauthorized logins from "close to home" would easily slip under that radar.

For Bar's benefit (and somewhat for my own, I'll admit) could you throw out a few scenarios where this would be useful to the account owner? Currently I just see this as a neutral (or unimportant) feature, as I'm not sure how it would benefit me much.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the point is that if you get **** by account sharing then that is your own fault. also tell that to all the other ppl that got banned specifically for account sharing.

not only that but that isnt even a real security issue or hacking issue. that is just a case of a person being so retardedly stupid as to give there info to ppl willingly.

And if they were honestly ****, and not by the person who shared their account but by some jerk in far off country, jerkland? Wouldn't that be something they'd like to know. Before they go accusing their friends?

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

no its not. the only person that should be on your account is YOURSELF. account sharing is against the ToS so if your acc is lost because of an account share then its possible the GMs can either ban u or not do anything at all depending on who it is.

a warning? do u know how unlikely it is for someone u dont know to log into ur acc and not do anything? if someone logs on to ur acc then its one of 2 things. 1) your friend that you are account sharing with when you shouldnt be in the first place and 2) a stranger that you dont know. and the likely hood of that stranger taking all of ur things is about 99.99%. if he doesnt then it probally was a GM and not a hacker which is the other 0.01%.

Strange how I was accused of "copy/paste" responses. I didn't suggest account sharing is okay nor that it's allowed. Duh? In fact, I've showed little mercy against those who complain about getting things done to them because they shared their account info, or were gullible and fell for stupid pranks like item duping.

However, this is a security feature in case someone logs into your account at all. Whether they delete characters, NPC ****, or teabag someone's PK'd corpse, is completely irrelevant.

And no, the likelihood of it being a stranger is not 99.99%, try 0.01%. People who log into others accounts both tend to be known to the player and have been complicit in sharing their account with. However, there's always the chance, as small as it is, something else happens (keylogger, trojan, using the same username/password on a faction website, etc.) in which case one can be alerted that someone else was on the account and it didn't involve sharing. This is why the tool is useful. If you personally don't care to use this tool and want to ignore the red messages, fine, but keep in mind you were flipping the **** out about the fact that it was showing IP's at all as if that was like giving out your social insurance number, home address, and ****, caring more about a hacker having the IP address (something that can so easily be attained anyways without ever "hacking" anything to begin with) than a person being alerted. Highly ridiculous.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And if they were honestly ****, and not by the person who shared their account but by some jerk in far off country, jerkland? Wouldn't that be something they'd like to know. Before they go accusing their friends?

if it was some jerk from jerk land then they will still have to go to the GMs to resolve it. not only that but if your friend did legitly take your things from u then he can always lie about his IP and change it from u ever knowing truly. so u still will have to go to a GM.

and even if he doesnt then you STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE GMS. regardless of the situation it will lead u to a emailing the GMs to get it resolved.

your stuff is ALREADY GONE. there is NOTHING AN IP CAN DO TO GET YOUR THINGS BACK. why cant ppl understand this?

nd no, the likelihood of it being a stranger is not 99.99%, try 0.01%

i stopped reading here because once again you misunderstand me. i didnt say that its a 99.99% chance a stranger will go onto ur acc. i said that there is a 99.99% chance that stranger will TAKE your things. if he is someone you dont know and is not ur friend.

it is highly unlikely that someone you dont know at all will somehow magically got ur info, logs onto ur acc, and doesnt do anything.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if it was some jerk from jerk land then they will still have to go to the GMs to resolve it. not only that but if your friend did legitly take your things from u then he can always lie about his IP and change it from u ever knowing truly. so u still will have to go to a GM.

and even if he doesnt then you STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE GMS. regardless of the situation it will lead u to a emailing the GMs to get it resolved.

your stuff is ALREADY GONE. there is NOTHING AN IP CAN DO TO GET YOUR THINGS BACK. why cant ppl understand this?

Really, so your saying someone in far off country jerkland is going to have a similar IP to you? That there is nothing to indicate region for them? That if it is your friend, and you have their phone number you can't attempt to you know call them yourselves and try to resolve things. Would you call the cops if your brother borrowed your stuff without asking? or would you call them and be like, "hey ****, wheres my ****. Don't make me get mom on you." That just one example, and yeah I'm kinda stereotyping the age range of people who share their accounts since I'm guessing it's mostly younger people but still. The point remains the same. You can deal with and know how to deal with it sooner. Just because it's not useful to you, doesn't mean its not useful.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Really, so your saying someone in far off country jerkland is going to have a similar IP to you? That there is nothing to indicate region for them? That if it is your friend, and you have their phone number you can't attempt to you know call them yourselves and try to resolve things. Would you call the cops if your brother borrowed your stuff without asking? or would you call them and be like, "hey ****, wheres my ****. Don't make me get mom on you." That just one example, and yeah I'm kinda stereotyping the age range of people who share their accounts since I'm guessing it's mostly younger people but still. The point remains the same. You can deal with and know how to deal with it sooner. Just because it's not useful to you, doesn't mean its not useful.

ok so the IP tells you that your friend didnt **** you. but SOMEONE **** you. all you have is a IP. the IP tells you that it wasnt your friend. so gratz, it saved your friendship i guess.

but your items are still gone. what are you going to do? ill tell you what your going to do. the same thing that has been done for years before this feature was implemented, cry to the GMs to get ur stuff back.

its not going to magically stop emails. your still **** and you still need to get that **** stuff back. the influx of emails wont change. the only way it will change is if you PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i stopped reading here because once again you misunderstand me. i didnt say that its a 99.99% chance a stranger will go onto ur acc. i said that there is a 99.99% chance that stranger will TAKE your things. if he is someone you dont know and is not ur friend.

No, you didn't stop reading there. You've just been selectively taking parts of a post to quote and respond to that are most convenient, also known as a straw man.

There's no real figure on what a "stranger" will take because "strangers" logging into an account without authorization (instead of someone who, in 99.99% of the time, was given access and just used it in a way that wasn't authorized) are especially rare. This is just a pointless generality used to convey a type of message that's becoming increasingly muddled.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok so the IP tells you that your friend didnt **** you. but SOMEONE **** you. all you have is a IP. the IP tells you that it wasnt your friend. so gratz, it saved your friendship i guess.

but your items are still gone. what are you going to do? ill tell you what your going to do. the same thing that has been done for years before this feature was implemented, cry to the GMs to get ur stuff back.

its not going to magically stop emails. your still **** and you still need to get that **** stuff back. the influx of emails wont change. the only way it will change is if you PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.

In the meantime, while getting a GM, you do absolutely nothing to your account like change your password? We all know how effective logical prevention is but this issue has nothing to do with prevention at all. Whatsoever. This is a way of quickly recognizing if something happened (i.e. you notice an IP logged in that wasn't yours and/or notice a login happened while you were, say, doing other things for several days) without there being obvious signs of it happening, and doing something about it now, instead of waiting on whenever a GM can help. Change password first, then wait for a GM.. however long that takes. It's absolutely hilarious how much you narrow your vision here, burying your own head in the sand in the process.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

call it what you want, but i still havent seen anything to convince me (from you or anyone else) that this feature is useful.

emails will still be sent to GMs and ppl will still get ****. nothing will change. the better option would be to just implement something to prevent silly "hacks" from ppl being stupid and getting keylogged or acc sharing in the first place. but no one considers this an option for some reason and seem to think knowing the IP of who **** u is a uber security feature.

if it was then you wouldnt have been **** in the first place. thats the whole point of "security". to prevent something from ever happening to begin with.

In the meantime, while getting a GM, you do absolutely nothing to your account like change your password? We all know how effective logical prevention is but this issue has nothing to do with prevention at all. Whatsoever. This is a way of quickly recognizing if something happened without there being obvious signs of it happening, and doing something about it now, instead of waiting on whenever a GM can help. Change password first, then wait for a GM.. however long that takes. It's absolutely hilarious how much you narrow your vision here, burying your own head in the sand in the process.

why do you keep bringing this argument up? ive been **** before in other games that doesnt have this IP feature. and you know the FIRST thing i do? i change all of my account info and THEN i email the GMs. i keep asking u why do u need a IP to change ur password?

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok so the IP tells you that your friend didnt **** you. but SOMEONE **** you. all you have is a IP. the IP tells you that it wasnt your friend. so gratz, it saved your friendship i guess.

but your items are still gone. what are you going to do? ill tell you what your going to do. the same thing that has been done for years before this feature was implemented, cry to the GMs to get ur stuff back.

its not going to magically stop emails. your still **** and you still need to get that **** stuff back. the influx of emails wont change. the only way it will change is if you PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.

First off, I'm sad for you if saving a friendship isn't more important than having your pixels back. And that you can't see that a good enough reason to have it, but whatever. And also, if said friendship is saved chances are they'll give you your stuff back if they still have it which means you don't have to contact a GM at all. Bada bing bada boom an email and time saved. And that's just ONE example of the way this is useful. Just because it wouldn't be useful to you doesn't mean that thing isn't useful to a lot of people.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

First off, I'm sad for you if saving a friendship isn't more important than having your pixels back. And also, if said friendship is saved chances are they'll give you your stuff back if they still have it which means you don't have to contact a GM at all. Bada bing bada boom an email and time saved. And that's just ONE example of the way this is useful. Just because it wouldn't be useful to you doesn't mean that thing isn't useful to a lot of people.

i have wonderful friends. one of those friends i can go as far as to say i can trust with my life. so something as silly as getting **** on a game wont break that because i know for a fact it wasnt her. if i was to even try to accuse her of hacking then that wouldnt be true friendship for me if i dont even trust her with a game.

so no, im sorry but i cant understand that. friendship for me and u is probally diffrent. but if i cant trust someone then that is not a friend for me. so if the first thing u do is accuse ur friend of hacking then u know that the friendship isnt a real friendship. thats just the morals i go by anyway.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i have wonderful friends. one of those friends i can go as far as to say i can trust with my life. so something as silly as getting **** on a game wont break that because i know for a fact it wasnt her. if i was to even try to accuse her of hacking then that wouldnt be true friendship for me if i dont even trust her with a game.

so no, im sorry but i cant understand that. friendship for me and u is probally diffrent. but if i cant trust someone then that is not a friend for me. so if the first thing u do is accuse ur friend of hacking then u know that the friendship isnt a real friendship. thats just the morals i go by anyway.

Fair enough to me, a good friend wouldn't do that in the first place. But if I saw their IP address as the last login and I know it wasn't me, I would be asking questions. Perhaps it wasn't even them, you won't know if you don't ask. With the IP address it wouldn't be a baseless accusation because your a bad friend by the way, it would be something you knew because tada you have the ip address. There are a lot of people in this world by the way, taht would trust their friend with their life and then that friend turns around and backstabs them. Husbands and wives too. They shouldn't have shared their account with these people, but you can't really say they deserve to be backstabbed by such people so that security feature is useless either.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

call it what you want, but i still havent seen anything to convince me (from you or anyone else) that this feature is useful.

emails will still be sent to GMs and ppl will still get ****. nothing will change. the better option would be to just implement something to prevent silly "hacks" from ppl being stupid and getting keylogged or acc sharing in the first place. but no one considers this an option for some reason and seem to think knowing the IP of who **** u is a uber security feature.

if it was then you wouldnt have been **** in the first place. thats the whole point of "security". to prevent something from ever happening to begin with.

You don't think that this feature is useful and that's fine. Who cares if you don't like it? That's not the problem. The problem is you stirring up paranoia because of how non-useful you see this feature being. Without a doubt there will people who spot an unauthorized IP logging into their account, and have the presence of mind to change their password to prevent it from happening again.

For similar reasons as the Gmail example, this is first and foremost for piece of mind, that you can see the IP and date of when you were last logged in, then secondly, to be able to act in case something happens. This is not a deterrent, this is not a replacement for a GM. You have utterly confused what this is, as well as made up your own definition of security, and furthermore, have tried to stir up hysteria over something you evidently think is merely "not useful", making it as if this is going to allow people to **** the living **** out of your PC when it's more like the reverse, although it makes no sense someone with the ability to **** a machine (i.e. forced entry, not you kids' definition of it today) to care about your pixel items and characters in a fantasy game.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i cant understand that.

Reasonable, I suppose. Judging from what you've stated in your posts, you might want to educate yourself on computers, networks, the internet, etc... Then decide whether or not to make a post via the forums of the video game you play.

I can't understand how after being told countless times how this IP feature would be helpful; your unable to understand or comprehend the reasoning behind said feature being implemented via the client.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Reasonable, I suppose. Judging from what you've stated in your posts, you might want to educate yourself on computers, networks, the internet, etc... Then decide whether or not to make a post via the forums of the video game you play.

I can't understand how after being told countless times how this IP feature would be helpful; your unable to understand or comprehend the reasoning behind said feature being implemented via the client.

because no one has come up with a reasonable argument other then "it gives u notice to change ur password faster!"

ive already given my reasons to why its not very useful.

Fair enough to me, a good friend wouldn't do that in the first place. But if I saw their IP address as the last login and I know it wasn't me, I would be asking questions. Perhaps it wasn't even them, you won't know if you don't ask. With the IP address it wouldn't be a baseless accusation because your a bad friend by the way, it would be something you knew because tada you have the ip address. There are a lot of people in this world by the way, taht would trust their friend with their life and then that friend turns around and backstabs them. Husbands and wives too. They shouldn't have shared their account with these people, but you can't really say they deserve to be backstabbed by such people so that security feature is useless either.

the friendship thing is still a entirely seprate issue and should be something you should already know. if i was acc sharing with my friend (she dont play this game btw but another game) and i got **** then I 1000% know without a doubt it wasnt her. that is what friendship means to me.

but i guess i will give it to u that it helps other ppl that are not so trusting validate if it was there friend or not (ASSUMING the even know what there friends IP is in the first place which not everyone knows)

You don't think that this feature is useful and that's fine. Who cares if you don't like it? That's not the problem. The problem is you stirring up paranoia because of how non-useful you see this feature being. Without a doubt there will people who spot an unauthorized IP logging into their account, and have the presence of mind to change their password to prevent it from happening again.

For similar reasons as the Gmail example, this is first and foremost for piece of mind, that you can see the IP and date of when you were last logged in, then secondly, to be able to act in case something happens. This is not a deterrent, this is not a replacement for a GM. You have utterly confused what this is, as well as made up your own definition of security, and furthermore, have tried to stir up hysteria over something you evidently think is merely "not useful", making it as if this is going to allow people to **** the living **** out of your PC when it's more like the reverse, although it makes no sense someone with the ability to **** a machine (i.e. forced entry, not you kids' definition of it today) to care about your pixel items and characters in a fantasy game

i havent stirred up anything. ppl have been "paranoid" long before i entered this thread and no one has even responded to any of my post in fear or paranoia. so really i dont know where you are getting that from.


the main argument from you seems to be it allowing u to change ur password if u see a IP that is not urs on ur acc which u would do regardless once u find all of ur gear missing or chars deleted.

you have not even once counter argued that point nor answered my question to it.

Vallenion - Heavens Tear

Mysticpep - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Just Because I don't agree with it, does not make me STUPID or a Know Nothing b:angry. I understand that an IP address can be obtained in lots of ways. However they could have put the information of the IP Address somewhere other than plastering it on the actual game page. they could have added it to our very own account right here where we could view all the information in one place. So what If I have an opinion that you don't like, this is where I am allowed to put my concerns. Either way If you do not like what I write don't comment at all. Cause All you manged to prove was your a Jerk who likes to feel big by calling other people Stupid.

Forgive him...he's an Enrage member, everyone are stupid if they dont agree with them !!!

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the main argument from you seems to be it allowing u to change ur password if u see a IP that is not urs on ur acc which u would do regardless once u find all of ur gear missing or chars deleted.

you have not even once counter argued that point nor answered my question to it.

What if you have several characters on the account and the one that has stuff missing is one you don't regularly log into? Or on a different server on the same account? Then what? Wow, looks like noticing a different login on your account might actually be beneficial, so you can first change your password, then alert a GM that you notice an IP logged in that isn't yours, to figure out what might have happened. Isn't that nice? I have answered your question every single time, just did yet again, and fully I expect the same response from you, yet again, denying this fact and, in OCD fashion, harping on "missing gear" as if all some unauthorized login can only empty your gear out and delete your characters. You're only focusing on one tiny little facet of a rather larger picture, mostly because, for whatever reason, you don't like this feature.

Vallenion - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Forgive him...he's an Enrage member, everyone are stupid if they dont agree with them !!!

Ohh, sorry Ms. VanillaOnion, you're wrong, I'm not in Enrage. Nice try though. b:cute

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

because no one has come up with a reasonable argument other then "it gives u notice to change ur password faster!"

Really, because I've given you specific examples where it can come in handy. I didn't say it was a replacement for a GM, but since the vast majority of hacking incidents are indeed account sharing with friends I'd say that example is extremely relevant. And Janus just gave you a couple of more. Again, just because you don't like it and wouldn't be useful to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be useful for someone.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What if you have several characters on the account and the one that has stuff missing is one you don't regularly log into? Or on a different server on the same account? Then what? Wow, looks like noticing a different login on your account might actually be beneficial, so you can first change your password, then alert a GM that you notice an IP logged in that isn't yours, to figure out what might have happened. Isn't that nice? I have answered your question every single time, just did yet again, and fully I expect the same response from you, yet again, denying this fact and, in OCD fashion, harping on "missing gear" as if all some unauthorized login can only empty your gear out and delete your characters. You're only focusing on one tiny little facet of a rather larger picture, mostly because, for whatever reason, you don't like this feature.


Ohh, sorry Ms. VanillaOnion, you're wrong, I'm not in Enrage. Nice try though. b:cute

if the one that u dont log into often wouldnt u not find it strange that the character is naked in equips on the character select screen? cuz id find that mighty strange. also, why would the hacker take stuff from a noobie character that barely has anything on it and NOT take from ur main account? hell why wouldnt he steal from ALL of ur chars? that doesnt make sense. if someone is stealing items he will steal them from ALL of your characters, not just one.

also what else will he do other then steal your gear? almost all of the "i been ****" cases have been from ppl that have found all of there items stolen, gold stolen, or chars deleted.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Really, because I've given you specific examples where it can come in handy. I didn't say it was a replacement for a GM, but since the vast majority of hacking incidents are indeed account sharing with friends I'd say that example is extremely relevant.

ur main agrument is about friends and account sharing and i addressed that. i was mainly talking about janus with the password thing.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

because no one has come up with a reasonable argument other then "it gives u notice to change ur password faster!"

ive already given my reasons to why its not very useful.

No, you stated you don't understand. When I don't understand things in my life, I educate myself. You should stop posting, if you won't educate yourself on the subject.

"I don't understand this ****! But, I will tell everyone that their opinions are moot."

Seriously, you must be a complete moron.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if the one that u dont log into often wouldnt u not find it strange that the character is naked in equips on the character select screen? cuz id find that mighty strange. also, why would the hacker take stuff from a noobie character that barely has anything on it and NOT take from ur main account? hell why wouldnt he steal from ALL of ur chars? that doesnt make sense.




ur main agrument is about friends and account sharing and i addressed that. i was mainly talking about janus with the password thing.

Personal vendetta perhaps? Perhaps the person didn't check all the servers? I know someone who was on vacation and came back and even there bound gear had been destoryed and it wasn't on both servers. Just the one. That was obviously a personal attack. The person didn't share account info, either. More than likely, as sad as it is, anyone who hacks you is going to be someone you know; like most other crimes in this world.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No, you stated you don't understand. When I don't understand things in my life, I educate myself. You should stop posting, if you won't educate yourself on the subject.

"I don't understand this ****! But, I will tell everyone that their opinions are moot."

Seriously, you must be a complete moron.

are you serious? i was talking about venuses morals of friend ship. do you read posts or are you here to troll? cuz i think its trolling or maybe your just that stupidb:bye

since your either 1) a stupid troll, or 2) have a reading disability ill copy paste the entire quote for u.

i have wonderful friends. one of those friends i can go as far as to say i can trust with my life. so something as silly as getting **** on a game wont break that because i know for a fact it wasnt her. if i was to even try to accuse her of hacking then that wouldnt be true friendship for me if i dont even trust her with a game.

so no, im sorry but i cant understand that. friendship for me and u is probally diffrent. but if i cant trust someone then that is not a friend for me. so if the first thing u do is accuse ur friend of hacking then u know that the friendship isnt a real friendship. thats just the morals i go by anyway.

next time u try to troll don't be so obvious by only quoting 3 or 4 words to make accusations out of.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if the one that u dont log into often wouldnt u not find it strange that the character is naked in equips on the character select screen? cuz id find that mighty strange. also, why would the hacker take stuff from a noobie character that barely has anything on it and NOT take from ur main account? hell why wouldnt he steal from ALL of ur chars? that doesnt make sense. if someone is stealing items he will steal them from ALL of your characters, not just one.

This is supposed to be for any unauthorized login, and why would they have to be "noobies"? I have six level 100s on a single account and sometimes I don't log some of them on for weeks. Why you could possibly be creating all of these specific scenarios is beyond me, other than possibly trying to discredit this feature without any real merit to stand on. A person logging into an account does not need to empty out every single character of their gear. In fact, they don't need to do anything. The fact that they logged in is enough of an alarm without these ridiculous scenarios you keep popping up with. As it is, your one specific scenario is f***ed if they don't take anything. Why bother with such narrow interpretations? I'm sure you well know this is beyond silly...