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Korrok - Harshlands

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

so all he's saying is if yer a light armor wizard, just go till level 90, then re-stat to a arcane wearer wiz?... then wtf would be the point of being LA in the first place?

Well, you have to understand that when the LA build was popular, it was reaaaaallly hard to level. In addition, pre-90, it was really hard to get good AA gear because chips were not readily available, etc. You had to do FB bosses tons of times to get good gear. Therefore, some Wizards augmented their survival with LA gear until they could get the good AA gear.

Nowadays? It's really easy to level and find great AA gear. I really see no reason to play an LA mage with the way the game is today. The build is a relic from a time long past in PWI.

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide

Korrok - Harshlands wrote: »

Well, you have to understand that when the LA build was popular, it was reaaaaallly hard to level. In addition, pre-90, it was really hard to get good AA gear because chips were not readily available, etc. You had to do FB bosses tons of times to get good gear. Therefore, some Wizards augmented their survival with LA gear until they could get the good AA gear.

Nowadays? It's really easy to level and find great AA gear. I really see no reason to play an LA mage with the way the game is today. The build is a relic from a time long past in PWI.

WTF????????? are you ****ing kidding..... GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! when the hell waz the LA biuld popular? was that like the year i took off? cause i waz an LA wiz WAY back in the day, and nobody wanted to party me cause i waz "a noob DD that didn't know what the hell he waz doing". and now i come back, and nobody likes my biuld, still. when were these happy times that i missed?b:cry and it seems that LA clerics were the only LA magic using class to survive these good times... and now people are even taking it even farther, and actually doing something noobish. wtf is with all the full HA clerics????? are people just that ritarded?

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

1. I did say that the footage was old.. in the lost city post, in the youtube description, and even as a caption during the video at 30 seconds. Unobservant much?

You didn't say in response to everyone ooo'ing and awe'ing over it:

"hey guys, that was along time ago - Calvins gear is better now and I doubt I could handle him that well now."

or

"Hey guys, all the kiting everyone is all excited about would be much harder now that everyone has better gear"

No, no you didn't.

In fact, here's what Calvin had to say about your third video

Calvin - Lost City wrote: »

In this videos, so many fights you didn't finish and you cut off already. Most of the fights are just a +10wep mage swapping out rubbish on the street.

And that third video wasn't posted all that long ago, and you didn't say when you were posting it that it was anything but current.

I'll watch it tonight to see your robust use of hailstorm and pitfall to immobilize people. I don't expect to find many instances of it.

Or is that video from 1950 as well? Or were you a noob back in October (only a few months ago) that didn't know how to play your class then either?

Honestly, Adroit, do you think all you have to do is say something and people will just believe you? Notwithstanding all the evidence being to the contrary?

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Good luck wiggling yourself out of that one. I don't think anyone buys that you are referring to the fire or water DoT that venos never use in pvp.. and for both skills the initial hit is still wood damage.. so lol

No wiggling required. Any fair reading will show that I was the one saying you couldn't use it against anyone.

I notice that you didn't capitalize "THEORETICALLY".

And as for your claim that I wasn't referring to fire attacks from venos because they never use it in pvp. Archers never use metal attacks against wizards either. But, again, THEORETICALLY, you CAN use them against both. That is 100% true, no matter how you continue to insist on twisting it.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Elemental resists cap % reduction at 90%. I thought this was common knowledge?

Nope. I was just using pw calc. But thanks, it makes my argument that much more persuasive - elemental shell increases reduction % even less than I gave it credit for above.

See how even when I lose I win? That tends to happen when your opponent is unprincipled in his arguments and is making them just for the sake of trolling.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

4. You are not speaking from the community, you are giving us your very own naive opinions.

Wrong and wrong. First, everything in the guide (so far) is the absolute consensus. No, maybe not EVERY general statement if applied to a lvl 100 wizard only concerned with pk, but again, thats not the purpose, is it? Really, ask yourself that. Do you get it yet? The point of this guide? It ain't written for you, mr know it all.

And no, even if you believe your deception (that I said you can use shell against wood attacks - I note for the record that you failed to meet the challenge and show where I said that - and that, btw, is quoting out of context), THAT is not in the guide. The guide is what is supposed to contain the consensus, not necessarily my showing your trolling for what it is.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

You either don't have the IQ to figure out how to use skills like ele shell/pitfall/hailstorm etc effectively in pvp,

As don't you. Look at your videos. Read your very own posts. All I did was repeat your statements and you try to troll me for them. Not effectively, no. By try in your lame, self-rightous fashion you do.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

you just can't admit that you were wrong.

Like you are? Ok, say it here and now. "I, Adroit, self-professed expert, posted on the forums that I didn't have anything to halt the march of a catabarb to my crystal out of my own ignorance and stupidity. I didn't know how to use my skills like pitfall and hailstorm effectively, and you should disregard all my posts prior to that date because I was nothing but a fail wizard who didn't know how to play my class - at level 10x."

When you do THAT, then perhaps we can discuss your belief that I don't admit when I am wrong.

Oh, and for the record, in all of these posts, the only thing anyone has pointed out that was in fact wrong was when I copied and pasted in the description of a 79 skill about "leveling" that skill. That was in error. Yes, I know that you don't level it, and did then. But for you every mis-statement is ignorance, so notwithstanding the fact that I learned 3 lvl 79 skills (er, twice on two different wizards on 2 different servers), YOU think that I didn't know how they were learned.

Nevertheless, that was in fact typed wrong.

See, I can admit it. Can you?

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Good luck finding anybody that'll take you serious after reading this thread.

Anybody interested in taking anything "serious" will read this thread and see you for what you are. Every time I have challenged you to put up or shut up, you've never put up, you just insult more and more and more.

At least I do what I say, and say what I do.

You say you are quitting the game after the rank 8 sale ("as soon as this charm is used up"), like a big qq crybaby (about your advantage being taken away and everyone and their mother being able to match your magic attack - so much for your so called skill). Yet here you are still.

You say earlier in this very thread that you aren't going to read anymore, but here you are still. As I KNEW you would be, and even said so.

The fact is, Adroit, trolls like you are terribly predictable. And despite the fact that the oh so high opinion you have of yourself won't let you acknowledge it, EVERYONE in fact sees you for what you are.

And I trust that they will see me for what I am, your pathetic efforts to distort BOTH notwithstanding.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

then wtf would be the point of being LA in the first place?

Helps you to survive when you used to have to do quests to level, and I suppose on pvp servers helped to keep from getting sniped so easily while questing by every random passing archer, idk.

I think I said in the guide that LA was far less useful now because you can generally level much faster than you used to. If you want to do all your quests and stuff, and feel like you are dying too much, you may want to give it a try.

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

WTF????????? are you ****ing kidding..... GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! when the hell waz the LA biuld popular?

It was popular early in the game, and was occasionally still done up until hyper exp stones came out. Now that they've basically cut the price of those by 80% from what they used to be (gold prices, etc. used to make them about 400k each on my servers, now its 8 tokens at 10k per token), you really never see it.

There is a full nirvana LA mage on Sanctuary though. I would probably pay her $100 just to use her account for TWs for a while just to see what its like for old times' sake.

Evanera - Heavens Tear

Actually Blood, I didn't think you could be this moronic. You argued so many points that Adroit made that were valid. Here's the down low: You do not know everything about a wizard's capabilites. Afaik, you shouldn't even be making guides.

I didn't read much of this thread, but some things stood out for me. Like, the point you made about elemental shell being good against veno's? Not being able to time it against psychics? (sorry you suck so much you can't do that properly) Elemental shell not being good for chi?

Let someone else make guides please.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I didn't read much of this thread, but some things stood out for me. Like, the point you made about elemental shell being good against veno's?

You obviously didn't read it.

I said it wasn't good against anyone.

Adroit CLAIMED that I said it worked against wood skills. I did not.

Whose the moron now? Commenting wrongly on things you admittedly didn't read.

Show me where I said it was "good" against venos or b:shutup

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not being able to time it against psychics?

Excuse me, but even the trolls had to admit that was true. Thats why they said you just use it randomly to get the benefit against their attacks rather than trying to time it.

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Elemental shell not being good for chi?

Again, I never said that. I am convinced now that they send you all to a class to learn how to be this stupid.

Yes, its good for chi. In fact, my point is precisely that for all intents and purposes, thats ALL it is good for. Really, try to understand someone's point before you look for excuses to try to make yourself look relevant in this way. All you do is show yourself to be an impulsive fool.

This thread is nearing 100 posts now, and not one of you has demonstrated anything but your own ignorance, in ability to read, and self-important puffery that explains well and good why you have never even attempted to do anything of merit on these forums except that which you believe (wrongly) increases your own stature at the expense of someone else.

And as for writing guides, the fact that all you know it alls haven't done so in any cogent way - the fact that anything of value that you DO know is buried in these threads in the context of telling this person or that that they are fail, well, that is the problem. So if you don't like that I am writing a guide, you only have yourselves to blame. And you are certainly free to write your own. None of us will hold our breath, however, since doing so would actually require you to put some time into reading and writing and thinking, and thus far, you've all revealed those to NOT be your strong suits.

Troll away more. The more you do, the more foolish I make you look.

Adroit - Lost City

lol.. my 3rd video was uploaded at the end of october. If I told you that my fight in december was outdated, you couldn't deduce that the one uploaded a month before that was also outdated? Maybe I overestimated your IQ (85ish?). I've stated numerous times that since my latest upload I've began using hailstorm/pitfall, the fact that you are still using my old videos as evidence about how I currently pk just shows how dumb you really are.

I was happy to teach you about how resists work. Just remember your role, you are learning, shouldn't be attempting to teach b:cute

The rest of your text was just some mindless attacks at me, which I can easily ignore. You have yet to effectively defend any of your points (lol I've proved what happens today with what happened 2-3 months ago? rofl).. but its entertaining watching you trying to wiggle out of things that you've said ("HEY, I DIDNT SAY THAT!".. even after you're quoted over and over saying it rofl) and then arguing that you've won something for pages and pages with maybe a weak sentence arguing your points. lol this is rich.

Galox - Heavens Tear

@ BLOODMYSTIC,

It's a Game! b:cute

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

lol.. my 3rd video was uploaded at the end of october. If I told you that my fight in december was outdated, you couldn't deduce that the one uploaded a month before that was also outdated?

Oh, so then we should not credit anything you've said prior to October? Still learning.

The fact that your noob fan club was ooo'ing and awe'ing over those pvp videos, and you were eating it up as though it were justly earned, and now admit that YOU didn't know how to use your skills effectively (a claim you assert at me) . . . yes, makes me lol too.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

the fact that you are still using my old videos as evidence about how I currently pk just shows how dumb you really are.

I am doing no such thing. I could care less about how YOU currently pk, even if you assume, which I most certainly do not, that December is not "current".

Those videos show that, as early as december, you were every bit a noob as you claimed in this thread that I was. Every bit "incapable" of using them effectively as you claimed I was. Again, you miss the point. Talk about low IQ's: I've got to explain everything to you 5 times and even then you don't get it.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I was happy to teach you about how resists work. Just remember your role, you are learning, shouldn't be attempting to teach b:cute

You taught me nothing. You've taught noone anything, really. All you do is, as I pointed out initially and as Calvin attested to, is record yourself rpk'ing 6x's in questing areas and post those videos so that people that are so unskilled as to not even be able to do THAT on a wizard will wet their pants and in their ignorance heap praise upon your grossly inflated ego. I feel sorry for you, really I do. You must be very lonely in real life. Or have very low self-esteem.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

The rest of your text was just some mindless attacks at me, which I can easily ignore.

You can try, as you've said you would before. Yet, here you are still. As I knew you would be.

See, when I can make you look this silly, your ego can't take it So you MUST come back. You MUST try to twist and turn and mislead and misrepresent and do everything you can to keep from feeling so inadequate. THAT is how I KNOW you will ALWAYS return. b:laugh

But here's a tip: when you go out to troll, don't do so on the basis of untruths. Because as soon as people see the truth (and eventually they always will), you will only be revealed for a fool.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

You have yet to effectively defend any of your points (lol I've proved what happens today with what happened 2-3 months ago? rofl)

I have to anyone with half a brain to read them, your groupies notwithstanding. We already know they are not thinking people. So I simply can't help them.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

but its entertaining watching you trying to wiggle out of things that you've said

Is that why make the false statements you do? Because its entertaining to watch someone correct you and show you to be wrong over and over and over again? Reveal you for the naked troll you are? Well, I think thats an odd way to be entertained, but to each his own.b:surrender

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Galox - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@ BLOODMYSTIC,

It's a Game! b:cute

Tell Adroit, not me.

He's started trolling this thread before the first word was written. Reserved space in the middle of the guide to do it in fact.

So, don't tell me I'm taking anything too seriously or this or the other thing. I only defend myself from people that would distort what I say in an effort to make themselves look better, simply because, quite frankly, that is likely the only way they CAN.

People try to troll me, I defend myself, and you would say that I need to realize its just a game? Don't you get it? For them its not just a game. Its their identity. They are miserable in their real lives so they need to come here and find some self-worth. Virtual though it may be.

Perhaps because they are small, and if they went after someone in real life they would get knocked out.

Or perhaps they are terribly ugly and noone would spend more than 1 minute in the same room with them let alone listen to a word they say.

Or perhaps they are so awkward, so painfully shy and introverted, that they can only muster up the courage to speak out behind the comfort the veil of the keyboard provides.

Now, I don't know which of these afflictions Adroit suffers from. Maybe all of them. All I know is I feel sorry for him because of them.

Evanera - Heavens Tear

LMFAO. YOU were the one who said it could be used against venos. I'm not bothering to see exactly where you said it.

You're emo raging so hard you're resorting to making assumptions of people's RL status? That's more than pathetic.

Again, if you can't time elemental shell to allow yourself to survive, then you're fail

I almost ROFL'ed IRL because of how much time and effort you're taking to try and prove us wrong. Stop playing your wizard, because you're terribad.

Adroit - Lost City

You should be getting better at pvp as time goes on, coming up with new and creative ways to kite/kill etc. I've said that I've done so since my last video by adding in hailstorm/pitfall when kiting. If you feel that you shouldn't use anything else in my videos because I've improved since then, thats certainly up to you.. but I can assure you there is plenty you can/have learned from them! The difference between you and me is that I improve when I see an opportunity, you rage QQ on the forums for pages and pages and ignore sound advice.

You continue to bring back the 1% of my videos that I decided not to cut a lowbie kill from the video. Would you expect me to just cut out the 5-10 seconds every time a lowbie jumps me? I think it would interrupt the fight and be distracting, so I try to keep short segments continuous when possible. Nice try saying that "All I do" is kill 6x, being that there wasn't a single 6x killed in any of my videos.

I love how you go on and on proclaiming victory, yet you don't have a single person agreeing with you. Wonder how long it'll take before you realize that everyone is laughing at you, not with you!

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LMFAO. YOU were the one who said it could be used against venos. I'm not bothering to see exactly where you said it.

If you had read it, you would see. And you would understand why I said "I suppose theoretically you could use it against venos and archers too". You take that out of context to say that I said you can use it against wood attacks? Or that its "good" against venos? That's your failure, not mine.

And I note for the record that you didn't show where I allegedly said it could be used against wood attacks, or where I allegedly said it was "good" against venos - you know, the prior basis for your trolling?

Fact is, it isn't there. You read Adroit's and others' misrepresentations of what I said and thought you would jump on the pile. Well, now you are smeared with the same tar they are.

Next time, make sure you do what a thinking person would - read yourself and draw your own conclusions.

Or at least pick someone more reliable than Adroit to simply rubber stamp their foolish comments.

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're emo raging so hard you're resorting to making assumptions of people's RL status? That's more than pathetic.

Its not an assumption, its what you all are revealing yourselves to be. You don't like it, perhaps you should READ something before you comment on it.

And emo is coming on to a forum, not reading it, ADMITTING you didn't read it, then troll someone for something they didn't say in it - simply because you want to come on and help your buddy try to win a losing battle.

THATS emo. And pathetic.

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Again, if you can't time elemental shell to allow yourself to survive, then you're fail

First of all, had you read the post you would have seen: my point is that any wizard shouldn't have any problem surviving against a psychic with or without ele shell. So once again, your attempt to troll me just shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. You must be 12. Or an imbecile. Or under sever medication. I can in no other way explain your feeblemindedness.

Second, assuming you were saying that I am fail if I can't time ele shell to avoid a psychics harding hitting skills, well, noone else can either. They've admitted that here. Oh thats right, you like to post out of ignorance. You didn't read that either.

Third, you know what? Neither can you. You can't time it right either. And you generally don't. You use it to build chi and thats it just like everyone else. And does it give you a marginal benefit against psychics? Sure, I guess so. Does it make any difference against them? Determine the outcome of the fight 90 out of 100 times? Nope.

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I almost ROFL'ed IRL because of how much time and effort you're taking to try and prove us wrong.

Of course you did. You don't take any time or effort to do anything. Not even read before you rage troll.

Oh, and it doesn't take any effort at all. You say I said the sky is pink. All it takes to "prove [you] wrong" is ask you to show me where I said the sky is pink. Then you reply not with an answer, but with more your fail, we are great, blah blah blah.

In fact, its so easy, I'm surprised trolling egos like yours keep coming back for more humiliation. After this thread, I don't know why anyone would ever read one of your posts again.

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Stop playing your wizard, because you're terribad.

Which one? I've got 2 of them.

And no, I won't stop playing them, although I am leveling my other classes throught he map reset since pve tws are boring at 4x. I can imagine what it will be like with rank 9 players doing them.

And I am probably a little above average, actually. Unlike you, I won't comment on your skill since we aren't even on the same server. But then again, I am clearly not like you. Not knowing what you are talking about is too little impediment to keep you from opening your mouth and making a fool out of yourself by talking about **** you have no knowledge of, apparently. Seems to be a recurring problem. Have you ever thought of seeking therapy for it?

Adroit - Lost City

For those of you that'd like to read the QQnovel where Blood talks about his knowledge (or lack thereof) about ele shell.. http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=12144632&postcount=46

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

You should be getting better at pvp as time goes on, coming up with new and creative ways to kite/kill etc. I've said that I've done so since my last video by adding in hailstorm/pitfall when kiting. If you feel that you shouldn't use anything else in my videos because I've improved since then, thats certainly up to you..

Oh dear, where to begin. I know, how about the point. Seems like you need that repeatedly.

I never said don't learn. I never said don't improve. Heck, why do you think I called this a living/breathing guide? Oh, thats right, all you saw was my name and reserved a place to troll, no matter what I said. Sorry, I forgot for a second.

Respond to which ever you please. You can reference them by number even. But a response that starts out: "I like cheese. I've liked cheese for a while, but I like it even better now. If you don't like cheese, thats certainly up to you". Stick to the point, please.

1. What YOU said was that I was basically a fool who underestimated their usefulness. The fact that, as recently as a few months ago, you didn't use them, as evidenced not only by your video but also by your own forum post, shows that you really have no right to be condescending even IF I was underestimating their usefulness.

2. But, we can argue their usefulness too, if you like. I said they aren't useful, in a guide, intended for people prior to level 100 and certainly prior to when they should be doing pvp. For that audience, no, they aren't useful.

3. Even in pvp, they aren't terribly useful. Want to experiment with them, maybe see if they proc more often than the percentage would indicate? OF COURSE I am not going to say to NOT do that. By all means. Heck, I use them just to mix things up a bit. I use hailstorm and gush after glacial snare if I can get a first hit in with GS simply because its often better than poking them and waking them up with undine. I use hail storm after bids or BT to finish off anyone in close that might have tanked it and be uncharmed (or had their charm tick by someone else). I use it all the time. But to freeze a target? No. Prior to level 90 or so? No. To freeze someone in a 1 vs 1 other than out of despiration? No.

Be honest - when you 1 vs 1 a bm, and they are up on you, and you can click one skill - is it going to be distance shrink or hail storm to freeze him? Is it going to be force of will or hail storm? Is it going to be sleep or hail storm? Is it going to be expel/domain/fortify or hail storm (ok, yes I know, it CAN be both, but really)?

The fact is, say what you want for your own purposes here, every wizard that pks knows you aren't going for hailstorm.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

but I can assure you there is plenty you can/have learned from them!

Um, not really. I know how to, as Calvin says, "sweep the street" of under leveled and under geared players.

I know how to kite.

I know how to set someone up to bypass their charm. That's something that can always be improved upon. But watching a video ain't gonna do it.

I know how to win when sage bids crits.

The one thing I DID learn, I told you at the time (so how does that line up with you saying I just rage qq when I see an opportunity to improve? thought so, just one more misstatement on your part): I loved how you kept under him so that you were always free to drop - good for kiting, good for damage reduction. It almost did look scripted, which is why I think it stood out. I have never been able to get a BM to stay above me that long. I usually can't even get them to follow me into the air - they just run over and chi up and wait for me to come back. But its always something I try to get them to do, since if they make the mistake of allowing it - its a huge advantage.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

The difference between you and me is that I improve when I see an opportunity, you rage QQ on the forums for pages and pages and ignore sound advice.

Sound advice? Was that what you were saying when you marked your initial post "reserved for trolling" prior to anything being written here to troll? Honestly, I'd love to know your thinking there.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

For those of you that'd like to read the QQnovel where Blood talks about his knowledge (or lack thereof) about ele shell.. http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=12144632&postcount=46

Thank you. It makes it easier for me to show you how you are wrong.

You said:

"You say that ele shell is not very good because the shell lasts 4 seconds and is only useful against other mages (although it is also useful against psychics/clerics.. "

To which I responded

"Sure, you CAN use it against ANY element. I would think you would know that as well and I wouldn't have to point that out to you. Theoretically, you can use it against venos and archers as well."

And you can. You took my statement "any element" to mean "any element in the game" and my reference to venos to mean wood skills.

What I meant of course was any element the spell buffs, not any element in the game. And the fact that I capitalized "CAN" and said "theoretically" I would think is evidence enough that I didn't believe it was effective to use against archers or venos at all, I was merely listed the other classes you COULD use it against, since you seemed to take such offense at me saying it was only really useful against mages if you saw them coming (which, incidentally is EXACTLY what you said in a prior post - honestly, you make this too easy - and I just checked - every thread with elemental shell in the title says get sleep and undine first, its only probably good if you see a mages ulti coming, and most useful for gaining chi, not buffing resists)

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I got some pages super cheap (35k each), and planning to use this skill later on. Even though arcanes do have alot of mres... I've been hit by sage BIDS for over 5k (non-crit)... I could see it being useful when you see some really hard hitting magic atk coming

and channeling an ulti and felt the need to point out that you COULD use it against clerics and psychics as well.

And I certainly don't think it could be taken to mean that I thought it could be used against wood attacks.

Again, my point is you can certainly USE the skill to buff resistance against any of its elements, but the 4 second duration, the 30 second cool down, and the fact that most people are spamming it for chi, means its not all that useful, although it certainly can me used.

Now, if you want to troll on that basis, or anyone believes that by ANY I meant wood attacks too, so be it. While I suppose I can understand your confusion on a certain level, I honestly can't for the most part because I know that you know that it doesn't include wood attacks, it only includes 4 elements, so I think it much more likely that you saw that as an opportunity to claim "all" included wood skills when you knew that was likely not the case. And I can say this because you and other then also claimed that I said it was "useful" or "good" against venos, when it is clear from all the posts that I am saying it is useful against noone.

The funny thing is, when it comes time to do the pvp section of the guide, all your trolls against me on ele shell may make me have to conclude the consensus is that you can use it to buff against psychics. Again, don't mistake these posts (my opinion) for what will be in the guide (the consensus of information on the forums). Actually seeing it in practice (not set up, but actual pvp situations - say in a TW that wasn't a cakewalk) in a video would make it a shoe in. I'll not be holding my breath though, because I don't believe for a second that anyone uses it for anything but chi.

Oh, and I love how everything is QQ nowadays. This isn't qq. None of it.

Adroit - Lost City

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Oh dear, where to begin. I know, how about the point. Seems like you need that repeatedly.

I never said don't learn. I never said don't improve. Respond to which ever you please. You can reference them by number even. But a response that starts out: "I like cheese. I've liked cheese for a while, but I like it even better now. If you don't like cheese, thats certainly up to you". Stick to the point, please.

1. What YOU said was that I was basically a fool who underestimated their usefulness. The fact that, as recently as a few months ago, you didn't use them, as evidenced not only by your video but also by your own forum post, shows that you really have no right to be condescending even IF I was underestimating their usefulness.

2. But, we can argue their usefulness too, if you like. I said they aren't useful, in a guide, intended for people prior to level 100 and certainly prior to when they should be doing pvp. For that audience, no, they aren't useful.

3. Even in pvp, they aren't terribly useful. Want to experiment with them, maybe see if they proc more often than the percentage would indicate? OF COURSE I am not going to say to NOT do that. By all means. Heck, I use them just to mix things up a bit. I use hailstorm and gush after glacial snare if I can get a first hit in with GS simply because its often better than poking them and waking them up with undine. I use hail storm after bids or BT to finish off anyone in close that might have tanked it and be uncharmed (or had their charm tick by someone else). I use it all the time. But to freeze a target? No. Prior to level 90 or so? No. To freeze someone in a 1 vs 1 other than out of despiration? No.

Be honest - when you 1 vs 1 a bm, and they are up on you, and you can click one skill - is it going to be distance shrink or hail storm to freeze him? Is it going to be force of will or hail storm? Is it going to be sleep or hail storm? Is it going to be expel/domain/fortify or hail storm (ok, yes I know, it CAN be both, but really)?

The fact is, say what you want for your own purposes here, every wizard that pks knows you aren't going for hailstorm.





Um, not really. I know how to, as Calvin says, "sweep the street" of under leveled and under geared players.

I know how to kite.

I know how to set someone up to bypass their charm. That's something that can always be improved upon. But watching a video ain't gonna do it.

I know how to win when sage bids crits.

The one thing I DID learn, I told you at the time (so how does that line up with you saying I just rage qq when I see an opportunity to improve? thought so, just one more misstatement on your part): I loved how you kept under him so that you were always free to drop - good for kiting, good for damage reduction. It almost did look scripted, which is why I think it stood out. I have never been able to get a BM to stay above me that long. I usually can't even get them to follow me into the air - they just run over and chi up and wait for me to come back. But its always something I try to get them to do, since if they make the mistake of allowing it - its a huge advantage.



Sound advice? Was that what you were saying when you marked your initial post "reserved for trolling" prior to anything being written here to troll? Honestly, I'd love to know your thinking there.

1. I didn't really understand the usefullness of hailstorm/pitfall because it had never really occurred to me. When I did see it in action, I started using it myself. It probably never occurred to you either, but when I told you about it you fought it/me saying it wasn't effective. There's the difference.. I improve, you make excuses and rage.

2. Who needs help learning how to level to 100? You could write a complete guide in one paragraph for that lol.

3. Just because you aren't creative enough to figure out how/when to use hailstorm/pitfall in pvp doesn't mean everyone else is. One of my favorite times to use hailstorm is when they stop for some reason (perhaps if they get stuck in the roar animation when I blink.. or after I blink and am going to be using fortify anyway.. etc etc). I generally use pitfall in place of gush, as its quick casting.. and if I have a little extra time for w/e reason I'd try for hailstorm. The only problem I've noticed is that when I was 1v1ing cheze's BM.. I went for a sleep -> BT bypass but the pitfall dot actually ticked him during sleep. I gotta keep an eye out for that in the future :P

Quit trying to wiggle out of what you've said, you thought that ele shell increased wood defenses.. but it doesn't. Anyone reading your post would come to the same conclusion.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

1. I didn't really understand the usefullness of hailstorm/pitfall because it had never really occurred to me. When I did see it in action, I started using it myself. It probably never occurred to you either, but when I told you about it you fought it/me saying it wasn't effective. There's the difference.. I improve, you make excuses and rage.

No, when you tolled me and said i was "neglecting" it, I didn't saying anything other than this isn't a lvl 100 pvp wizard guide, and that prior to end game, there are better things to level. And at lvl 100, every wizard will have it at level 100 most likely.

THAT is what I said. Go look it up. Then show me my excuses and rage, please, because there are none.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

2. Who needs help learning how to level to 100? You could write a complete guide in one paragraph for that lol.

Yawn. Every week there are the same posts on these forums about what skill to level, does spark stack with undine, blah blah blah. You know it and I know it.

And people qq about there being no genie section in any guide all the time. You should know, you are one of the biggest qq'ers.

Do I need to go on?

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

3. Just because you aren't creative enough to figure out how/when to use hailstorm/pitfall in pvp doesn't mean everyone else is.

No, it just means I am as uncreative as you were a scant few weeks ago. b:chuckle

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

The only problem I've noticed is that when I was 1v1ing cheze's BM.. I went for a sleep -> BT bypass but the pitfall dot actually ticked him during sleep. I gotta keep an eye out for that in the future :P

Now see, this is the kind of stuff that gets buried in these forums and would nice to have in one place. It very well could be, but I doubt that anywhere in these forums does it say whether or not DoT wakes someone out of sleep, or even asked the question. If someone had, I think the assumption of everyone would have been yes, but its good to know.

Given how often we rely on sleep to win, I am not sure that using pitfall is all that good an idea. And using it in place of gush? I am not sure many could keep track of when that was supposed to shut off so sleep would be cleared for use so you could have the hp down to 51%, etc.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Quit trying to wiggle out of what you've said, you thought that ele shell increased wood defenses.. but it doesn't. Anyone reading your post would come to the same conclusion.

Like I said, believe that if you wish. I do understand how you came to that conclusion, wrong though it maybe. Do you understand how your intention to troll this thread regardless of what was here might make you more likely to come to that conclusion?

Ask yourself this: had I said in the description of undine "you can hit them with any skill, undine debuffs against ANY element". Would you really think, having leveled 2 wizards to 100 (one now to 101, woot!) that I actually thought undine debuffed metal resistance? Or would you think that, knowing a wizard uses fire water and earth, that I was saying undine debuffs those elements? The same way that, when I said you can use ele shell against ANY element, I meant any element the skill covers?

Nevermind, with your mindset, you probably would have.

Adroit - Lost City

You've debated about the effectiveness of those skills for pages. And no, you are not as creative as me, I don't need to be told situations a skill can be useful before using it myself. I also did not say that dot wakes you from sleep, it just ticked his charm while he was asleep because he was so close to 50% (so I didn't bypass him). Its something to keep in mind, but not really a reason not to use it. I've actually found the dot as a nice perk to kinda combat hp pots regenerating too much hp between the sleep and the ult landing. the dot really doesn't do much damage.. but its good to at least keep in the back of your mind in pvp.

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

I think I said in the guide that LA was far less useful now because you can generally level much faster than you used to. If you want to do all your quests and stuff, and feel like you are dying too much, you may want to give it a try.

It was popular early in the game, and was occasionally still done up until hyper exp stones came out. Now that they've basically cut the price of those by 80% from what they used to be (gold prices, etc. used to make them about 400k each on my servers, now its 8 tokens at 10k per token), you really never see it.

um, what are you talking about? first off, i'd like to say that saying you can try an LA biuld, giving the pros and cons, and then saying that it's useless in endgame and you'll have to reset all yer stats to a different biuld is completely ritarded. you might aswell have said not to use the biuld...

and secondly, it's useless now because you can level up faster? that kinda makes it sound like people were using the LA biuld to level faster. and that, is completely inacurite. if you want a fast leveling wizard, make a full magic wizard with a water shield (glacial embrace) a maxxed out wellspring quaff, and arcane armor. you'll have a godly magic attack, insane mp regen, and such a large mp tank that you'll barely ever have to stop to rest.

wanna know what an LA biuld is for? people who aknowledge that they wont level very fast, and people who aknowledge that at one point or anouther, they're gonna get hit no matter what they do, and don't wanna get as hard when they inevitably do. or maybe someone who doesn't wanna get one hitted by a sin popping outta stealth.

it's not meant for fast leveling, and if you're going to use an LA biuld to make your Pdef higher and Mdef lower, you're going to get used to fighting with that knowledge, and to get to level 90 and restat just to change your playing style completely backwards, you're an idiot.

i'd also like to add that earthen barrier is not the only useful shield. there are 3 main biulds, one that each shield is good for.
biuld 1: full magic arcane user. complete glass cannon. glacial embrace is useful for this biuld. is meant for nuking, and that's about all.


biuld 2: LA. Durable DD. sacrifices some attack and mdef to increase Pdef by a substancial amount. earthen barrier is this biuld's main shield. secondary DD, made for pvp agenst non-magic users.


biuld 3: vit wizard, arcane armor, asmany points in vit as possible. suicide bomber. this biuld's main shield is pyro shell. secondary DD, made to maximize the effeciveness of emberstorm and act as a suicide bomber in situations such as TWs. pyro shell is used on this biuld to increase the likelyhood of surviving the suicide bombing by increasing the rate of hp regain, it's useless with any other biuld tho, since only this biuld has an already high regain rate due to high vit points. (yes, i know, survive a suicide bombing, lol)


overall, since wizards are a mana reliant class, glacial embrace is the most important skill. it should be maxxed on all 3 biulds because if nothing else, it can be used to make periods of resting shorter without being reliant on pots or apoth creations.

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually Blood, I didn't think you could be this moronic. You argued so many points that Adroit made that were valid. Here's the down low: You do not know everything about a wizard's capabilites. Afaik, you shouldn't even be making guides.

Let someone else make guides please.

i'm not saying i'm a pro wizard either, but even i know more than you, and i am fully aware that i don't know everything, and probly shouldn't be making a complete guide, but hell, even i could make a more detailed guide than you. so yes, please, leave making guides to people who know what they're talking about.

Adroit - Lost City

@white - you started out ok, but really kinda went downhill. Id recommend editing it out before anyone else sees it (and blood will give you a 15 page rebuttal and will make scrolling really annoying). blood has a lot of bad advice, but you art still really new at 5x.. Which isn't much better (at least you don't act like you are the greatest thing since sliced bread though.. Lol)

Evanera - Heavens Tear

Hurry up and get online, cuz I wanna PK with your mage! Not that wannabee cleric of yours b:chuckle

Adroit - Lost City

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hurry up and get online, cuz I wanna PK with your mage! Not that wannabee cleric of yours b:chuckle

Rofl I won't be on for at least another 4-5 hours in class atm we need to lvl you up so you can be my stun ****

Evanera - Heavens Tear

You know, at this point I wouldn't mind leveling up. I dislike being killed by 10x people and getting laughed at -_-

Starrymist - Lost City

Yea, what Eva said.

Adroit - Lost City

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You know, at this point I wouldn't mind leveling up. I dislike being killed by 10x people and getting laughed at -_-

haha ya, if we could get you to at least like 8x.. you'd at least have a chance against non sins XD That is until *crosses fingers* expansion totally ****s on sins.

HealingBliss - Lost City

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

biuld 3: vit wizard, arcane armor, asmany points in vit as possible. suicide bomber. this biuld's main shield is pyro shell. secondary DD, made to maximize the effeciveness of emberstorm

Oh my god, I laughed so hard i actually started to tear up a little. xP Please tell me that entire post was just to make me laugh and not your serious opinions, please?

Starrymist - Lost City

I want 104 kthx

Level me up, invite me to TT/nirvana and I can start affording interval gear. Then we can have funb:cute

Adroit - Lost City

HealingBliss - Lost City wrote: »

Oh my god, I laughed so hard i actually started to tear up a little. xP Please tell me that entire post was just to make me laugh and not your serious opinions, please?

sry white, all hope is lost.. its been quoted in another post

@Starry - why 104? We go for 105 here on pvp servers!

edit: as much as I love it when people realize blood is not the expert he thinks he is, I'd hope it would be for the right reasons >.> oh well.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

HealingBliss - Lost City wrote: »

Oh my god, I laughed so hard i actually started to tear up a little. xP Please tell me that entire post was just to make me laugh and not your serious opinions, please?

no he was serious. He makes stupid statements on how to play a wiz all the time.

Btw, he's a LA wiz, and I'm embarrassed to say he's the same server as me...