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Arenaceous - Lost City

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

Are you Midnight?

Are you Specialmats' alt? b:shocked

MageFizban - Lost City

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

Are you Specialmats' alt? b:shocked

Are you the legendary Streaker who has a stickied wizard guide?

Arenaceous - Lost City

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

Are you the legendary Streaker who has a stickied wizard guide?

I am actually the long forgotten son of Streaker and Pandora. b:surrender

MageFizban - Lost City

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

I am actually the long forgotten son of Streaker and Pandora. b:surrender

How are your fathers doing?

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

How are your fathers doing?

b:cuteThey're in my bed

Arenaceous - Lost City

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

How are your fathers doing?

Pandora is not male... anymore.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b:cuteThey're in my bed

Does that make you my naughty uncle? b:surrender

MageFizban - Lost City

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

Does that make you my naughty uncle? b:surrender

o lawd

Fleuri - Sanctuary

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Wizards don't have stuns because they'd simply make us too OP when combined with all our other tools.

Excuse me, but wizards have stuns.

A level 92 demon wizard can have three stun skills (and I am ignoring genie skills here). One is a ranged aoe stun that almost always succeeds, one is an instant melee aoe that succeeds half the time and costs no spark, and the final one is a bit iffy but on a skill that people tend to be using anyways and also costs no spark. Sages only have the one that almost always succeeds, but I think wizards mostly do not find it useful enough.

Sun_Burn - Lost City

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

Excuse me, but wizards have stuns.

A level 92 demon wizard can have three stun skills (and I am ignoring genie skills here). One is a ranged aoe stun that almost always succeeds, one is an instant melee aoe that succeeds half the time and costs no spark, and the final one is a bit iffy but on a skill that people tend to be using anyways and also costs no spark. Sages only have the one that almost always succeeds, but I think wizards mostly do not find it useful enough.

probably because it costs 2 sparks and can be easily avoided as it takes like 5 seconds to cast.

The only stun that demon wizzies have that's useful is stone rain, and its a 20% chance to work. I have no idea what other stuns you are talking about. Maybe your talking about freeze skills? if so, pitfall has 33% chance to freeze for 3 seconds and hailstorm has 50% chance to freeze for 4 seconds.

freeze by no means compares to stuns, although they are useful at times, but the % chance that they actually work are slim compared to other classes (minus the 2 spark stun that takes a decade to cast).

Edit: Lol @ blood thinking elemental shell works against venos.

Edit#2: totally forgot about emberstorm, but still.. suicide skill for a chance to stun.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

*waits for you to edit before you look silly*

Sun_Burn - Lost City

I edited >: but not gonna hide my ignorance >:o

emberstorm isnt worth it to me because
1: it's a suicide skill
2: it only works if your close enough to the person for them to already have u in a stunlock (if ur fighting a bm or sin)

Adroit - Lost City

Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »

I edited >: but not gonna hide my ignorance >:o

emberstorm isnt worth it to me because
1: it's a suicide skill
2: it only works if your close enough to the person for them to already have u in a stunlock (if ur fighting a bm or sin)

Emberstorm is a charge skill so you can use it almost instantly (without that huge hp loss) by double clicking the icon. I use it as a sin check and it usually doesn't take more than 50-100 hp from me. I would think it would be more useful against non int classes.. blink into range and 50% chance to stun (maybe extra useful against archers that don't use claws because the bow is at half damage?) or possibly even interval chars if you fortify as they are coming up.. I dunno, I've always thought it was a neat little perk of demon.. although I've never used it myself

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

Demon emberstorm is pro. You know my reasons and I just explained to Sun b:cute

Also, Adroit, stop being afk in game and let's do stuff!!!!! b:angry

MageFizban - Lost City

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Emberstorm is a charge skill so you can use it almost instantly (without that huge hp loss) by double clicking the icon. I use it as a sin check and it usually doesn't take more than 50-100 hp from me. I would think it would be more useful against non int classes.. blink into range and 50% chance to stun (maybe extra useful against archers that don't use claws because the bow is at half damage?) or possibly even interval chars if you fortify as they are coming up.. I dunno, I've always thought it was a neat little perk of demon.. although I've never used it myself

I've never actually seen a demon wiz use this in pk so far XD

Adroit - Lost City

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

I've never actually seen a demon wiz use this in pk so far XD

I've had it used against me (been a while). Back when I was like 9x, I was 1v1ing either damaged or uncanny and one of them blinked to me and insta cast emberstorm (I think it was Uncanny) and it did stun me. I ended up winning.. and there was some good pvp for a while.. but really I think it is an under appreciated skill (ofc I could be wrong.. I've never had the opportunity to use it myself)

prof

such a derailed thread, and it wasn't even my fault? _)_

emberstorm is highly situational, and any amount of delay could make it consume too much hp. I find myself using it after/right before i tick(making me tick), just to make surviving a little easier without wasting my seal, 2spark stun, or sleep.

it's also our version of holy seal, but ours hits more targets and deals damage!

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

@ Blood - I'm getting really tired of these long posts. You say you don't repeat yourself but 95% of your posts are you saying the same things. I don't think saying the same unsubstantiated claim over and over is going to get you any support, but I suppose you can try. Lets just try to make your walls of text actually on topic, not a flood of words intended to distract everyone from you losing face. In the interest of saving space/not going off on random tangents, lets try responding to each other with numbers instead of breaking apart quotes 15 times!

This is how you start this post, but then expect me not to respond?

You complain about the length of my posts, but do so in 7 lines of text that really say nothing substantive.

And if you are getting tired of them, stop trolling them. You started trolling this thread before the first word was written - so forgive me if I don't believe, or don't gaf about, your claims of exhaustion.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

1) So you say I'm hypocritical because I don't use hailstorm/pitfall in my videos. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you can't use old evidence as current proof. I'm pretty sure the 5 year old on my street has figured that out already (and you haven't?)

Go check the post date on that video - you just posted it (again) only a few weeks ago.

And you sure soak up all the praise at taking down Calvin, and kiting, and this and that and the other thing. Funny, in those posts you didn't say anything about it being before the rank sale, or before other people might have been geared up as well as you, or any of that. You posted it as though it was a current video.

When it served your purposes, you allow it to be seen as a current video.

When it serves your purposes, you claim it is dated and evidence of nothing.

And you wonder why I say you are hypocritical.

Point being the same either way, however - you weren't using them then. They aren't that effective, and in your own words you described them as skills of last resort and ones to use out of despiration.

But then troll me when I say they are limited in their usefulness - PARTICULARLY in a guide that is not intended for end game wizards, duh.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

2) You say I use a double standard when talking about the use for a skill, but I haven't even said there was a use for the skill (merely suggested the obvious), while you flat out took one aspect of the skill (not even the most important imo) and arbitrarily name that as its intended use.

As I said before, I am happy to stand on that one. Adroit believes the intended use of the skill is for chi gain - I believe its intended use is as an elemental resist buff.

Any wizards that want to quarrel with that, there's no hope for them.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

3) Ele shell does not increase wood resists, which is kinda funny because you stated that you can use the shell gain for any element.. so it is useful against even VENOS!

First off, for all your complaining about me quoting out of context (which I never do), let me show you how you can handle it effectively should ever actually happen to you.

A. I NEVER said you could use it against wood attacks. Show me where I did. Nevermind, I'll show you myself what I said.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Sure, you CAN use it against ANY element. I would think you would know that as well and I wouldn't have to point that out to you. Theoretically, you can use it against venos and archers as well. You didn't mention those either, so I suppose by your logic I should say "though you neglected that".

Yes, I said ANY element. True. You take that to mean any element in the game rather than any element covered by the skill we are talking about? Well, that just means you are not that skilled at following a conversation, thats all. Or you are very skilled at looking for gaps to try to make someone look foolish. I am fairly certain its the former, but I am not sure that speaks all that well for you either way, ijs.

And this is what I mean - all of the sudden (according to you) I am the one that said it was useful? I said the exact opposite, but you want to turn things around.

Its not useful against venos, its not useful against wizards, its not useful against clerics. Its not useful against anyone. THAT was the very point.

YOU trolled me and said that you can use it against more than wizards, so I have to be all inclusive apparently for you. So yes, I include venos. I said "theoretically" (yes, I even said "theoretically") you could use it against veno too, which you can - they have fire attacks too. I would have thought you had figured that out by now.

Again, hypocritical.

I say its not useful at ALL.

You say it is.

I say against wizards maybe if you see them coming and aren't slept (and, I suppose I should add, your hp and magic resist aren't high enough to tank and ultimate without it), which never really happens.

Then you say I'm basically a moron because you can use it against classes other than wizards.

So I list the other classes you can use it against, and now you claim I didn't know it couldn't be used against a veno's wood attacks?

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

it is still useful against psychics just because it essentially absorbs 4 seconds of hits..

I've never had a problem 1 vs 1 against psychics, or clerics (except when they IH themselves for forever, then sleep and run, lol) unless they are +12 or rank 9 or both, in which case 4 seconds ain't gonna save you. If you were as experienced as you claim to be, I would think you would know that.

Hey guys, Adroit thinks our biggest threat pvp is psychics.

Oh, and we generally have stone barrier up, so our earth resistance should be through the roof anyway. In case you didn't know that either, earth resistance has diminishing returns, so half your scarey psychics attacks that would be benefitted by elemental shell should already be doing next to no damage.

And don't forget, you always have it on cool down, because you use it to build chi (you know, its "intended" purpose according to you), so good luck having that off cooldown when the psychic rolls up on you.

Again, I am not saying it does NOTHING. Every skill does SOMETHING. I am saying it is of limited usefulness in a guide intended for wizards that aren't lvl 100. And for them, yes, in my opinion elemental shell should be of very low priority.

Whatever - I can also win this argument based on the fact that of all the 79 skills, ele shell is the last one most wizards get. There are posts throughout this forum to that effect. And, since presenting the consensus of all the information contained in these forums is the whole point of this guide (I will state the purpose again for you Adroit, since you lost it again, or willfully discarded it because it wouldn't let you troll me), that is all I need to say here that it is of limited usefulness and should be one of the last skills acquired.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

As always I could go on forever, but I'm just wasting my time.

When you troll for the sake of trolling, yes, you usually are. Your not very good at it, ijs.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

As always I could go on forever, but I'm just wasting my time. I doubt anybody is even reading these posts anymore (I ignore your QQnovels in other threads).

Oh, you are reading. And so are they.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

Excuse me, but wizards have stuns.

A level 92 demon wizard can have three stun skills (and I am ignoring genie skills here). One is a ranged aoe stun that almost always succeeds, one is an instant melee aoe that succeeds half the time and costs no spark, and the final one is a bit iffy but on a skill that people tend to be using anyways and also costs no spark. Sages only have the one that almost always succeeds, but I think wizards mostly do not find it useful enough.

I don't think I said they didn't have stuns. I think I said they didn't have effective stuns for 1 vs 1 pvp like many other classes do.

I know you were replying to someone else that was replying to me, I just need to make sure with all this misrepresentation that its clear what I said, and not what I didn't.

Sad, but thats the state of these forums with people like Adroit that literally reserve space to troll threads that aren't written yet.

Still reading, Adroit? I know you are . . . .

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »

Edit: Lol @ blood thinking elemental shell works against venos.

Aw, little follower wizard believes everything Adroit writes, don't you?

Well, I didn't. I said you can't effectively use it against anyone, in fact.

Oh, and by the way, even assuming I said what you claim I did (which I didn't) you CAN use it against venos. They have fire attacks.

So, ahem

Edit: Lol @ Sun_Burn and Adroit thinking venos only have wood attacks. b:chuckle

Amour - Lost City

@BM

Elemental Shell is amazingly effective. Although it only brings my resistances up from ~75% to 90%, I notice it basically quarters the damage done to my mage by those 4 elements. Also, it is a great chi building tool. With a 30 second cooldown if a mage or psy or whatever jumps you while it's on cooldown, I'm sure with FoW+blink the fight could very well last long enough for it to be off cooldown to use again.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Amour - Lost City wrote: »

@BM

Elemental Shell is amazingly effective. Although it only brings my resistances up from ~75% to 90%, I notice it basically quarters the damage done to my mage by those 4 elements. Also, it is a great chi building tool. With a 30 second cooldown if a mage or psy or whatever jumps you while it's on cooldown, I'm sure with FoW+blink the fight could very well last long enough for it to be off cooldown to use again.

And your earth resistance is at 75% with stone barrier? I feel sorry for you.

TT90 gear, 4th map belt, event neck and 2x lunar rings +4 and level 10 stone barrier get you to 77%. Add rank 8 top and pants and you get to 79%. What gear are you wearing? b:surrender

Add lvl 10 cleric buff? 82%

Sage stonebarrier? 84%

And you mean a 1000% buff makes a noticeable difference? Gee, thanks. Don't tell Adroit though, he doesn't think that's what its intended purpose is. He thinks its for the 15 chi or whatever.

Again, you seem to argue a point I am not making.

Even with the above mediocre gear, elemental seal raises your resistance from 77% to 90%. I am not saying that is not noticeable. Clearly, it is. (although from 84% to 90% is clearly less noticeable, wouldn't you say?)

What I AM saying (gosh, and people wonder why I have to post so much):

1. it only lasts for 4 seconds;
2. psychics cast so quickly, any attempt to time the use of the skill to one of their harder hitting spells (thereby maximizing the benefit of it) is impossible, or next to impossible;
3. for their skills that aren't hardest hitting, your normal magic resistance is more than sufficient unless they are +12, rank 9 or both - in which case elemental seal for 4 seconds ain't gonna save you.
4. yes, by all means, spam that skill if you are fighting a psychic if you want - worse case scenario is you will build chi faster, best case you have it up when they hit you with something hard.
5. Prior to 100 (and certainly prior to 90), it is one of the skills you can most do without. If you can get every darn skill, by all means - do so.
6. If you can win a fight against a psychic with elemental seal, you can probably win it without it also.
7. And if shell is "amazingly effective" against psychics, what would domain, fortify+ironguard/tranq orb, sutra power orbs or even dew of star protection be? They last 50% to 500% longer in duration than elemental seal - would they be "super-duper amazingly effective"?
8. Oh, and if what you are saying is it is glitched, that it cuts damage more than what would otherwise seem to be the case, by all means, say THAT, and let one of these bean counters we have run off and get a psychic to get naked for the good of the order. I certainly am not saying that, or saying that isn't the cast. And I am certainly not going to run around doing one of those chicken killing experiments. Its honestly not that important to me.

Disagree with any of those statements? The seem pretty banal to me, but if you do, feel free to post which ones you disagree with and why. THEN you will actually at least be responding to what I have said, and not what I haven't.

Honestly, its starting to look to me like you all want to be the only people who have authority to speak on the issue, and your feeling threatened so you are all going out of your way to challenge me on things I haven't even advocated.

Well, PWI is alot bigger than the lost city server, I am sorry. b:surrender

Adroit - Lost City

@ Bloodfail

1. I did say that the footage was old.. in the lost city post, in the youtube description, and even as a caption during the video at 30 seconds. Unobservant much?

2. You quoted yourself saying..

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Sure, you CAN use it against ANY element. I would think you would know that as well and I wouldn't have to point that out to you. Theoretically, you can use it against venos and archers as well. You didn't mention those either, so I suppose by your logic I should say "though you neglected that".

Good luck wiggling yourself out of that one. I don't think anyone buys that you are referring to the fire or water DoT that venos never use in pvp.. and for both skills the initial hit is still wood damage.. so lol

3. Guess I should quote you again just for shucks.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Even with the above mediocre gear, elemental seal raises your resistance from 77% to 94% (not 90%).

Elemental resists cap % reduction at 90%. I thought this was common knowledge?

4. You are not speaking from the community, you are giving us your very own naive opinions. You either don't have the IQ to figure out how to use skills like ele shell/pitfall/hailstorm etc effectively in pvp, or you just can't admit that you were wrong. I really don't care which it is, but you've dug yourself a whole so deep you have no hope of getting out. Good luck finding anybody that'll take you serious after reading this thread.

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide

why will i need to reset all my stats at level 90 on an LA biuld?????

Korrok - Harshlands

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

why will i need to reset all my stats at level 90 on an LA biuld?????

Post 90, LA gimps wizzie damage waaaaaaaaaaay too much and the crit doesn't offset it.

The pdef isn't that great either, tbh. Good pdef ornaments + decent refines is just as good and you still get full damage.

prof

does anyone else remember pandora bragging about his ~5k buffed pdef in his amazing hh90 green set? ah, good times. heh, they even thought +3 was high in those days, and +5 was cash shop crazy-ness.

times have changed.

light armour use to be a 'viable' leveling build, to get through the hardship of <99 so you wouldn't have to refine high to see significant increases in your defense/hp. now, leveling is easy as ****. the only people who pk those under 99 are over 99, so the defense bonuses are useless. and, ontop of all of that, light armour is terrible and looks very, very ***.

my 2 cents.

Sun_Burn - Lost City

prof wrote: »

light armour is terrible and looks very, very ***.

LA looks nifty on female characters, i lub da skimpyness

Adroit - Lost City

Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »

LA looks nifty on female characters, i lub da skimpyness

way back when I was 4x and didn't intend to really play this game.. a really big thing that pushed me to LA for my lowbie lvls was the look of the LA molds at 7x XD /done sharing

prof

I'm not into the whole lady gaga thing. I don't find peacock's shooting a flaming deck of cards to be arousing.

Adroit - Lost City

prof wrote: »

I'm not into the whole lady gaga thing. I don't find peacock's shooting a flaming deck of cards to be arousing.

haha I didn't exactly find it "arousing", maybe interesting? It was more of a status thing I think.. back when 7x/8x was high level it was an easy way to distinguish them from the crowd (kinda like before genies where something floating around you meant you were 89+ haha)

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide

Korrok - Harshlands wrote: »

Post 90, LA gimps wizzie damage waaaaaaaaaaay too much and the crit doesn't offset it.

The pdef isn't that great either, tbh. Good pdef ornaments + decent refines is just as good and you still get full damage.

so all he's saying is if yer a light armor wizard, just go till level 90, then re-stat to a arcane wearer wiz?... then wtf would be the point of being LA in the first place?