Proving that 5aps isn't broken

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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    I think bottom line is, we know 5aps is more powerful in PvE even compared to other builds that may cost the same, but the point everyone is making is that Nirvana squads are not as class-exclusive as you think. Rich people with nice gear don't care about what class fills the last 2 spots in their Nirvana squads, boss dies in 1 or 2 HF anyway. You can use your bare hands for all they care.

    Some people might do less-than-6-man runs, but seriously not everyone bothers to do that. Some take friends, guild-mates, wives, etc etc to fill up spots.
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
    Qui: b:dirty
  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    so if you think 5aps is not broken...

    would you guys mind if...

    HERC/NIX GETS 5APS TOO? b:laugh
    i am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think bottom line is, we know 5aps is more powerful in PvE even compared to other builds that may cost the same, but the point everyone is making is that Nirvana squads are not as class-exclusive as you think.

    Nirvana; not PvE, and Nirvana is not where all the money is at.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Naivety - Harshlands
    Naivety - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    tweakz wrote: »
    Nirvana; not PvE, and Nirvana is not where all the money is at.

    Just 90% of the fast money is there. The other 10% is TT (5aps owns most of the place, barbs and good squads own some of the real hard bosses still, if they try) and packs.

    Nothing much to say 5APS is broken in PVE, nothing much at all.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »
    Just 90% of the fast money is there. The other 10% is TT (5aps owns most of the place, barbs and good squads own some of the real hard bosses still, if they try) and packs.

    Nothing much to say 5APS is broken in PVE, nothing much at all.

    You're talking out your butt.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Naivety - Harshlands
    Naivety - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    tweakz wrote: »
    You're talking out your butt.

    You appear to have resorted to just abusing people.

    This point marks your loss. 5APS is broken and people know it, and you have failed to defend it as not broken.

    Move on Tweakz, try another argument for another cause. some of your arguments are actually valid and interesting, id like to see you put that effort in elsewhere.

    Perhaps prove how the Mirages > Payment is actually better for TW?

    Il help, while I was in Zulu (On Cleric) I was buying Mirages 200 at a time for 10k and having merry days refining my gear b:cute

    I was never in a TW faction while it was payed tho, so I really cant say pay was better or worse....b:surrender
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »
    You appear to have resorted to just abusing people.

    pot to kettle. Only point you've made is how little you know of this game, and how ignorant you are of what people have stated in this thread.
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  • Naivety - Harshlands
    Naivety - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    tweakz wrote: »
    pot to kettle. Only point you've made is how little you know of this game, and how ignorant you are of what people have stated in this thread.

    I aint no kettle, im a saucepan b:cute

    And ive read the whole thread, and know what I and most of the others are talking about.

    It be broken, you be wrong.

    Please move on, you started out actually making (Kind of) good points, now its just.... This.
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    tweakz, here is a challenge:

    i understand that posting about ur secret method of money earning as a caster may ruin it;
    however, posting how much coins u make per hour wont.

    so do it.

    say us how much money/h you make with various activities.
    u dont have to say what u do... just numbers. for example:
    A: 3mil/h
    B: 1mil/h
    etc etc

    note that profit = money earned - money spend.
    oh, if u can say how many 5aps members u need in the squad it would be nice;
    a wizzie that goes in nirvy with 5 other 5aps isnt really doing anything


    so, i am waiting. if ur answer does not include a number you are the one that talks out of his butt. and if u canot realize it you are an idiot.
  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    tweakz, here is a challenge:

    i understand that posting about ur secret method of money earning as a caster may ruin it;
    however, posting how much coins u make per hour wont.

    so do it.

    say us how much money/h you make with various activities.
    u dont have to say what u do... just numbers. for example:
    A: 3mil/h
    B: 1mil/h
    etc etc

    note that profit = money earned - money spend.
    oh, if u can say how many 5aps members u need in the squad it would be nice;
    a wizzie that goes in nirvy with 5 other 5aps isnt really doing anything


    so, i am waiting. if ur answer does not include a number you are the one that talks out of his butt. and if u canot realize it you are an idiot.

    How would that prove anything Thanos? D:

    I could say

    A: 5 mil/h Party~ me

    For all you know I could be selling my body D: (And making up numbers too D:)
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  • Naivety - Harshlands
    Naivety - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    How would that prove anything Thanos? D:

    I could say

    A: 5 mil/h Party~ me

    For all you know I could be selling my body D: (And making up numbers too D:)

    You saved me typing up so much.

    thanks. b:thanks
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    That doesn't prove anything. You can open some packs and come out ahead for all we know lol
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
    Qui: b:dirty
  • Krisnda - Lost City
    Krisnda - Lost City Posts: 1,465 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That doesn't prove anything. You can open some packs and come out ahead for all we know lol
    say us how much money/h you make with various activities.
    u dont have to say what u do... just numbers. for example:
    A: 3mil/h
    B: 1mil/h
    etc etc

    If you want an answer (a semi real one) you want what they do, otherwise you get:
    For all you know I could be selling my body D: (And making up numbers too D:)
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    - Have the computer skills necessary to handle forum-related tasks (Web skills, basic programming)
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  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
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    uh, i know that he can sell 1000000gold in the AH and make some billions in sec.

    ok here are some rules for the secret activities:
    you should do it and have the same profit even if:

    GMs rename your char, move it in a different server and you cannot say to anyone who u are.

    all the stuff that you have will be bound to u, and you cannot sell them.

    you cannot something that a player dropped. doesnt matter if u are in squad or how much time u waited.

    assume that the boss doesnt drop items but coins acording to the current market value of it's drops. even split in squad.

    you cannot inject cash/buy items with real money.

    if you buy an item you can only sell it for the amount of money you got it. this includes AH gold

    you cannot open packs of any kind.


    you should be able to repeat the activity a lot of times during a day (=> bh100 reward doesnt counts)
    repeating it a lot of times during a day shouldnt restrict u from doing it the next day (stacked bh100 rewards doesnt count either)
    special note for nirvana: you can do that.



    so any holes in the rules above? XD

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