Proposition 4236 (Auto pk on PvE servers at 90+)

Eoria - Harshlands

Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »

great so were safe from dropping but if any random person attacks us, we got to let them kill us becuase cant defend ourselves without having turn red and risk losing items?

I don't see anything wrong with that. Also, if you're white and the other person attacks first, you can kill without turning 2hrs red.

Of course, some people don't handle being pked as well as I do.

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Someone on a PVE server doesn't know how PVP droprate works. What a shock.

You can only lose equipped items if you go red and don't use GAs. So frankly...if you don't have your GAs or your bound gear yet and you go pking, it's at your own risk. If you're white, you only have the very small chance of dropping something insignificant from your inventory.

PVP droprates are the same on PVE and PVP servers.

Still doesn't change anything else i said in the post.
and the simple reason there's a PvE server + alot of people dont know this is because they dont care.
a.k.a why they rolled on a PvE server
A.k.a why asking for a pvp enforcement around 90+ on a PvE server when you are already in your 90+ out of boredom is like standing in cotl/ether/plume in NPC gear and challange new players to a duel.

/uberfacedeskandsigh

Eoria - Harshlands

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »

Still doesn't change anything else i said in the post.
and the simple reason there's a PvE server + alot of people dont know this is because they dont care.
a.k.a why they rolled on a PvE server
A.k.a why asking for a pvp enforcement around 90+ on a PvE server when you are already in your 90+ out of boredom is like standing in cotl/ether/plume in NPC gear and challange new players to a duel.

/uberfacedeskandsigh

Have you read my other posts in this thread? I totally agree that the OP's idea is stupid and he should just reroll on a PVP server.

I'm just pointing out that PVP servers aren't servers of death and destruction and you can't lose gear on a PVP server by just stepping out of safe zone with white name.

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary

I'm not a hater of the PvP servers either XD nor do i think their servers of death and destruction.
in fact i encourage PvP servers cause that means the -real- narly PvP'ers are on THAT server and not on PvE's.

I stand corrected on the losing gear part np.
just wanted to point out it didn't change anything else i said and strengthened my words with an extra jab-in-the-softies-with-a-spork-comment towards the general idea of this proposition = not you.

Woneo - Harshlands

I love how pve people think every time they step out of sz they get ****ing rolled, or their gears drop.
It really isnt like that... I can count on my hands the number of times ive been ganked during a quest, and I don't think ive ever dropped as a white name.

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear

b:laugh

b:chuckle

b:bye

People make me smile.

Was just a thought, the pk scene's not what it used to be. There's no wandering white names, I can sit and grind on mobs white for no reason and nobody will try to kill me.

Some old players need to come back...

Did actually expect it to at least be a 25% agreement, oh well, back to the drawing board.

Tsunamin - Heavens Tear

So I read this thread and could not think to post something about it cause the idea is so....well... stupid, while i would typically say womp womp to you for choosing the PvE server and trying to drag the rest of us down with your bad choice, I will say 1 thing in your defense.

1) Re-roll on a PvP server

sorry you did not think your choice out carefully

b:bye

(sorry did not read all comments xD) but yeah I still think PvP server would be a nice choice for you since PvE server PK is kind of dry

Asheera - Raging Tide

I will never support PvP servers over PvE ones.

Reason is not because I dislike PvP, I love it but when it's organized. I mean, the "PvE" servers have the option to PvP as well, including in events like TW etc.

The only difference is that on PvP servers it is forced, this means, the only ones enjoying this over PvE servers, are those that want to get cheap kills at weaker people or at those that don't want to fight at the time.

PvP servers don't have more *pvp* than PvE. They just got more PK on players that do not wish to fight at that moment. That's a big difference.

Furries - Dreamweaver

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

I will never support PvP servers over PvE ones.

Reason is not because I dislike PvP, I love it but when it's organized. I mean, the "PvE" servers have the option to PvP as well, including in events like TW etc.

The only difference is that on PvP servers it is forced, this means, the only ones enjoying this over PvE servers, are those that want to get cheap kills at weaker people or at those that don't want to fight at the time.

PvP servers don't have more *pvp* than PvE. They just got more PK on players that do not wish to fight at that moment. That's a big difference.

*signed*

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

one part of me says "meh, 1h of catshopping per day is not bad, i do it anyway"
another part remembers getting pk'ed in the cube while trying to do culti and says "eww"
a third part remembers DT and says "could be nice"
a fourth part says "it's a pve and i hate changes"

so yeah...no. but more pvp enabled events like DT/Tournament (with nice rewards so players would want to go [also seperate areas with higher rewards so the higher lvl/geared will go there {make a seperate one for sins might be good too,jk}]) would be nice

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

I will never support PvP servers over PvE ones.

Reason is not because I dislike PvP, I love it but when it's organized. I mean, the "PvE" servers have the option to PvP as well, including in events like TW etc.

The only difference is that on PvP servers it is forced, this means, the only ones enjoying this over PvE servers, are those that want to get cheap kills at weaker people or at those that don't want to fight at the time.

PvP servers don't have more *pvp* than PvE. They just got more PK on players that do not wish to fight at that moment. That's a big difference.

So true. b:infuriated

Moog - Lost City

This will never happen since people will cry quite a lot. Just reroll servers (others have done it)

Deora - Lost City

It never ceases to amaze me what people that play PvE servers think happens on PvP ones such as LC and HL...

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Deora - Lost City wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me what people that play PvE servers think happens on PvP ones such as LC and HL...

And it never ceases to amaze ME that people who play on PvP servers expect people who play on PvE servers to know how it is on PvP servers.

No offense intended (well, maybe a smidgen), but most people who play on PvE servers do so by choice, and don't really care about the nuances of when and how gear drops, the differences between white, pink, and red, or whether or not they're going to get ganked every time they step outside of the safe zone. To most of them, it doesn't matter, so is it any wonder that they're not familiar with it?

To the OP: you seem to feel that folks would have more fun being PvP force-enabled at 90+. If this were trully the case, I'd expect that more people would enable PvP by choice and you wouldn't be whining. The fact that folks on PvE servers are staying away from PvP in droves pretty much shoots your theory down.

Xoria - Sanctuary

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I know many players on PvE servers are feeling a sense of extreme stagnation in their day to day gameplay. A majority of these players find their only remaining pleasure in the game to be TW due to the variation of experience within the weekly "event." So, I'd like to propose this suggestion to the GMs and Developers:

Automatic PK mode on login for PvE servers at level 90+.

Don't assume that this is a PvP requirement for these players, it it intended as more of an initial status that is removable after a period of requirement is fulfilled each login.

Simply put, each player over level 90 logging into a PvE server will instantly be in Pk mode for a minimum of 1 hour. After that initial hour, if no status of infamy is gained by killing non-fighting white named players, the player can revert to non-pk mode.

Benefits for the players:

Your daily sense of stagnation is reduced as a new highly dynamic aspect of gameplay is added rather than the addition of events and instances which are highly repetitive gameplay aspects that add to the fun for a short period and then add to the stagnation.

Players that actually have the drive to TW will be forced to improve their pvp skills during this hour if they don't just opt to shop or wander around safezones improving the overall TW gameplay and experience.

A larger pool of pk enabled players will be available to pull from for the regular pkers for larger scale pk battles.

Player etiquete will be increased as has been experienced by the pk servers.

Benefits for the company:

Less player loss due to experiential stagnation.
Fewer high paying customers will "get bored and move on."
Players over level 90 will have a higher tendency to spend money due to "fear of gear loss."

Your proposition offers nothing. Those that don't want to PK will hang out in safe zones for an hour; more people will be online, idle, just so they won't have to deal with an hour of waiting to turn off PK mode. Those that do want to PK already do. As a whole, this idea is more of a nuisance than a "solution."

If you desperately want to PK more, I suggest going to a PvP server.

Flickerfae - Sanctuary

I'm glad that the developers would never take a post like this on their forums seriously.

If you honestly think this would make money for PW, submit it to them, not us. But I doubt it would. As your poll has shown, far more people would be upset with such a change than would be stimulated by it. Sure it may get more people to bind their equips, but it would also cause some people to idle for an hour after login (as Xoria pointed out), and more to quit in frustration.

So no, this would not make money for PWI. It would make money for you, because your level 100 self would be pking those poor level 90ers who just turned over into forced pk mode.

Please shoot your ducks somewhere else. We're not interested. b:bye

Asheera - Raging Tide

I LOL at every high level person who says they'd wish to transfer to PvP server.

I bet you didn't want this when you were a lower level, which is why you chose PvE.

But now that you got high level and mighty enough to challenge most other players, you wish you'd be on PvP so that you can PK lowbies yourself, or just PK with other high levels without risk of getting owned like a lowbie.

Hypocrites.


Why blame it on PvE server system though? You have the option to turn white now, click it. Oh wait, no lowbies to PK I guess? Too bad they have the same mentality as you had when you were a lowbie, huh?

Tygurr - Sanctuary

OP, if I wanted to fight against other players, I'd be on a pvp server to begin with.

Malego - Heavens Tear

Deora - Lost City wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me what people that play PvE servers think happens on PvP ones such as LC and HL...

It amazes me how much pkers don't know their own servers.

Look at the closed beta of FW right now. There is a group of pkers than pk anything that moves. They will sit outside of town for hours just waiting to pk you, they will spawn camp you for hours at a time. they will do 10 vs 1 just so they always win. You can't count on ever leaving town and the pkers think its funny as hell.

It's not because its closed beta, its simply because they LIVE to harass and torment other players. They did the same thing in PWI and every other game they played. We don't think we know what goes on in pvp servers, we KNOW what goes on.

X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear

I feel stupid. Am I the only 1 who picked their server because all their friends did, and had no idea about pvp/pve servers at the time lol b:surrender

baalbak

i rolled PvE for a reason. I like to be able to quest/grind/etc without having some "bored" player come around and try to kill me. If you want for everyone to be PK .. roll on a PK server. I'd personally quit PWI if I was forced into PK mode everytime I logged in. I am not willing to pay money for binding gear and/or continuing to repair shattered gear if I choose not to gain infamy so as to avoid item drop. Sure I could keep SL set to 1 hour or w/e the forced duration is, or stay in safe zone for an hour... or stay logged in all week.. But that defeats the purpose leisurely gaming in my opinion.

PVP servers are for PVP
PvE servers are for PVE, not as "level worry free to PK at endgame" server

Eoria - Harshlands

baalbak wrote: »

PVP servers are for PVP and PVE
PvE servers are for PVE, not as "level worry free to PK at endgame" server

Fixed.

I swear, I should make a vid showing what really happens while leveling from 30-40 on a PVP server. It's not hard to avoid being pked if...you know...you don't run straight into a group of rpkers like a dumbass. b:chuckle

P.S. Safety lock is for the weak. Real players use GAs. :B

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver

X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I feel stupid. Am I the only 1 who picked their server because all their friends did, and had no idea about pvp/pve servers at the time lol b:surrender

luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul. xD


You're not alone. >_>'


I blame Gabbeh

I actually remember when I flamed a thread because I thought all servers were PvE and you can choose to PK whenever you want to.... God, I was an idiot. b:chuckle

XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear

doing that would make the server a PvP server which aint the choice i made tes i like to PK now and again BUT when i want to i DO NOT want to be forced into PK when i dont want to it is not fair and i find plenty of stuff to do even when i am lvl 102 like working on my gear farming earning coins yes some may find that boring but i dont i have a game hubby who i enjoy farmoing with and playiong in game with and i choose PvE server cause i aint into going about killing ppl apart from when i am in TW or choose to go PK i would not like it to be forced upon me to be in PK it against my choice in why i choose a PvE server if u want to be in PK all the time go to a PvP server thats why there their

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

But now that you got high level and mighty enough to challenge most other players, you wish you'd be on PvP so that you can PK lowbies yourself, or just PK with other high levels without risk of getting owned like a lowbie.

I chose the pve server beacuse pvp is optional. My first main I played white name 90% of the time starting around level 45-50 until a couple months after Anni packs came out. Back in those days, about 1/6 of the players were running around in pk mode because guess what, it wasn't that costly to do so relative to the ability to make money. I have never been one to pk newbies except when they pk my newbies and then act all arrogant and high and mighty about killing something 10 levels+ lower than them.

My suggestion doesn't allow for free reign pking of lowbies as we're talking about only the top 15 potential levels of the game and the top 13 real levels that players fall into.

My suggestion is simply because other than pk "hotspots", which rarely get more than 15 pk enabled players at them, most of which hide in safezone, there is no open map pk to be found anymore on the server. I miss the days where you could be killing a mob and randomly have somebody try to pk you only to turn around and kill them while the mob keeps beating on you.

I miss random pk against me.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

they could revive pvp a bit and enable some special world pk mode for guilds with land or two.
leader could decide if guild enter world pk or not and guildies would fight for some points, which could be exchanged for some **** for guild.


ofc that not gonna happen. 'revarding' and 'pvp' dont match in pw dev's heads. something more like 'coin sink' works better..

and this sink is so effective that it kills pvp on pve servers

sethh

No, and no. Please don't give ideas if this happens not gonna play anymore soo ... That's why exist a bottom called PK.

GenericBrand - Archosaur

The thing about PvP/PK is that I equate it to first-person shooters. Those types of games are essentially a "hope you are damn good at headshots otherwise you won't last long" free-for-all. Sure there are times when I would be down for some good ol' fashion FPS. When such a mood strikes I bust out my FPS game of choice. Because honestly it's just fun to kill (though more accurate to say BE killed), respawn and jump back into the fray again.

However, I am not in the mood for PvP everytime I log into PWI. Since I am not level 100+ I still have things to do and goals to constantly work toward. Those of you from PvP servers may say "oh it's not that bad". Perhaps it's not. But being deemed as "enemy" or simply "something to kill" to anyone and everyone just by stepping out of a safezone is not my idea of a good time. Sure I can learn tricks of the trade/form alliances with people/afk at high altitude just to survive, but really why should I have to do all that?

I chose PvE specifically to avoid PvP when I did not desire it. I can choose to go into PK mode and be 2-hit by the many level 100+ white named people on the server. Or better yet, be minding my own business and killed by an assassin in stealth mode repeatedly (I've seen this happen to someone here even though the one being killed again and again never fought back). The fun. You avid PvP people know how to win me over... b:surrender

You say "many players on PvE servers are feeling a sense of extreme stagnation in their day to day gameplay" but I am not one of these many you speak of. This "many" you talk about is common in the players 100+ or lower level players that are unable to accomplish/gain what they want in a timely fashion NOW. And if there really are many players that feel this way they can all just go into PK mode and problem solved.

If your proposition should ever be implemented I would toss this game like a **** sock.

To address the "pros" of this idea:

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your daily sense of stagnation is reduced...

I do not have this in any form. As I mentioned above, this is something you see in the players that have reached "the end" content this game has to offer.

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Players that actually have the drive to TW will be forced to improve their pvp skills during this hour

I agree with the improving skills part but the forcing is a turnoff. If you're going to participate in TW you should have the drive to improve your abilities either by entering PK mode on your own time to put what you've learned to the test, read up on it, and/or watch it in action.

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A larger pool of pk enabled players will be available to pull from for the regular pkers for larger scale pk battles.

You seem to be under the assumption that should this proposition become a part of the game that all these people that are suddenly thrust into PK mode will actively participate in the PvP aspect to satisfy the regular PKers of the PvE server. I don't see it happening. Will some join in? Maybe. Will it be enough to keep your interest in the game? Doubt it.

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Player etiquette will be increased as has been experienced by the pk servers.

Dead or alive you can still talk smack. Applies for the one that does the killing and the one that got killed.



tl;dr version: wtf NO

baalbak

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Fixed.

I swear, I should make a vid showing what really happens while leveling from 30-40 on a PVP server. It's not hard to avoid being pked if...you know...you don't run straight into a group of rpkers like a dumbass. b:chuckle

P.S. Safety lock is for the weak. Real players use GAs. :B

actually... i know perfectly well what happens in PK servers from 30-40 having come from *another* version of the game where i was on PvP server (since it had the best ping for me). As soon as I hit 30 and got forced into PK mode, various 9x players would snipe me on sight. I revive.. they killed me again.. and again.. and again. It took the fun out of the game for me tbh.

Now.. PvP would be more appealing if it was altered in a such a way that damage dealt was calculated on a level respective basis. That way, 9x players wouldn't be able to just 1 hit a 3x player, and a 3x player would stand a bit of a chance (though still be at a disadvantage by not having as large a skill base, hp, mp, etc).

Deora - Lost City

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

And it never ceases to amaze ME that people who play on PvP servers expect people who play on PvE servers to know how it is on PvP servers.

No offense intended (well, maybe a smidgen), but most people who play on PvE servers do so by choice, and don't really care about the nuances of when and how gear drops, the differences between white, pink, and red, or whether or not they're going to get ganked every time they step outside of the safe zone. To most of them, it doesn't matter, so is it any wonder that they're not familiar with it?

To the OP: you seem to feel that folks would have more fun being PvP force-enabled at 90+. If this were trully the case, I'd expect that more people would enable PvP by choice and you wouldn't be whining. The fact that folks on PvE servers are staying away from PvP in droves pretty much shoots your theory down.

Then everyone that plays on a PvE server should not be allowed to argue in this thread seeing as they don't know all the facts and scew the argument like the poster below

Malego - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It amazes me how much pkers don't know their own servers.

Look at the closed beta of FW right now. There is a group of pkers than pk anything that moves. They will sit outside of town for hours just waiting to pk you, they will spawn camp you for hours at a time. they will do 10 vs 1 just so they always win. You can't count on ever leaving town and the pkers think its funny as hell.

It's not because its closed beta, its simply because they LIVE to harass and torment other players. They did the same thing in PWI and every other game they played. We don't think we know what goes on in pvp servers, we KNOW what goes on.

If you played a PvP server you'd know that is just a load of ****...

And yes, they are doing that because it is beta, level cap is 30 and that is currently the only level that can PK, seeing as that also happens to be the cap, doing much else is mostly useless as it won't get you anywhere

Please, get your facts straight before trying to argue