is there any class that can't beat us

Adroit - Lost City · September 2010

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Oh gawd, don't teach me. I have a feeling I couldn't suffer your presence for a month. I don't generally like the company of people as angry as you.

It's about whether other classes are more suited to pk, not about teaching me this or that about a mage. YOU turned this thread into that, not me.

Everyone makes these forums some kind of personal chest puffing contest instead of a discussion. Its sad that people feel the need to get self worth from a video game.

Aside from that, I would like to watch. No wizzies ever pk on my server . . . .

already said I wasnt gonna waste my time teaching you.
Believe me, if I was really angry I wouldnt let it show..

Mages are definitely suited to pk, just gotta know how to use them.

Mmmm, everyone likes to boost their ego, but I wouldnt call it finding self worth though. Prolly cya next week

Kyleran - Raging Tide · September 2010

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

already said I wasnt gonna waste my time teaching you.
Believe me, if I was really angry I wouldnt let it show..
Mages are definitely suited to pk, just gotta know how to use them.

Mmmm, everyone likes to boost their ego, but I wouldnt call it finding self worth though. Prolly cya next week

Why do argue with a person tat as zero PVP knowledge ? i would like to check BLOODMYSTIC's Profile to check his kills, but it is locked lol

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · September 2010

Loltank - Harshlands wrote: »

You mean furry blademasters? lol

Ya them, they think they are so pro until they get one shotted with a sandstorm crit then talk about how much you cash shopb:surrender

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Archers don't get steamrolled by wizards. A wizard with full chi and the first hit? Maybe. But otherwise if the archer is skilled, your in for a very hard fight unless you have them well outgeared.

"A slight bit more complicated"? Yes, yes it does. Genie skills and apoth mean if you get everything set up, use your sleep and they apoth, your are running for your life till that cools down. Yea, real fun. Sent packing for 2 minutes by 45 herbs. Wizzies are sooo OP. Better hope they don't know how to stun/sleep you back while your using those great kiting skills.

Channel pot ulti isn't a 1 shot? Or are you assuming they are still at 50% while you kite long enough to get sparks, sleep cool down, etc.?

Thats all true. On top of better weapon/gear, lucky crit, I will add in "your opponent makes a mistake". That happens alot for me too. They don't kite when I triple spark, or they waste their spark when FoW/sleep ISN'T on cooldown, etc. If you have someone that knows how to do that, you are running for your life (call it "kiting" if it helps you save face) or are otherwise one dead wizzie.

That sure is alotta kiting. Don't run into any other pk'ers during that kiting that poke at you? People keep chasing you? I wouldn't. If you run for more than 10 seconds without turning around to mount some kind of offense, I consider that a win (whether someone does that to me, or I do it to someone else).

And "sleep sleep sleep" as though we can rely on that. Aside from the cool down, its not a stun, its a sleep. That means you get 1 hit till they are free. So we are back to my comment about one shots again. And the range on sleep is relatively short, so as soon as its over you can get stunned back immediately. And thats a stun, not a sleep. Get ready for 4-8 hits which, if a couple crit (not hard for an archer), bye bye wiz. If you tank them with apoth or whatever, back you are to running. Again, real fun.

Point isn't that wizzies can't pk. They can. Point is that other classes are much better suited for it.

Do you realize that archers are nearly terrible endgame? The only archer im terrified of on my server has a +12 warsoul with 2 g12 garnets. And even then, only when he catches me offgaurd really.

When you get decent pdef, archers hit you for trash really and they dont have too great defenses. I beat archers with +12 g15 nirvana bows and 10k HP without too much work.

Adroit is one of the best mages around. He was doing endgame PvP BEFORE you was a level 1 wiz on Archosaur. I can safely say that 60% of my kills, are thanks to adroitb:bye

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · September 2010

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ya them, they think they are so pro until they get one shotted with a sandstorm crit then talk about how much you cash shopb:surrender

Do you realize that archers are nearly terrible endgame? The only archer im terrified of on my server has a +12 warsoul with 2 g12 garnets. And even then, only when he catches me offgaurd really.

When you get decent pdef, archers hit you for trash really and they dont have too great defenses. I beat archers with +12 g15 nirvana bows and 10k HP without too much work.

Adroit is one of the best mages around. He was doing endgame PvP BEFORE you was a level 1 wiz on Archosaur. I can safely say that 60% of my kills, are thanks to adroitb:bye

Yes yes, I'll be sure to add you to his fan club mailer.

And there were lots of wizzies doing endgame pvp before I was level 1 on Archo. I suppose we should listen blindly to them all.

And what is "decent pdef"?

My point is all this space is taken up with nothing helpful. Then when someone gives and opinion all people do to rebutt it is to say how great they are or how aweful the opinion giver is. Not helpful to those that post here, and doesn't speak well of those that do it.

Adroit on other posts has said that -interval chars can kill wiz in a second, but then he flames against the mere suggestion that those classes are better suited to pk than a wiz, pretends that I'm saying wizards can't pk and then flames against that, etc. etc. etc.

Honestly, I don't get all the hostility. Its the sign of a childish or otherwise underdeveloped mind, ijs

Oh, and PS: none of the archers on the archer forum are even remotely scared of wizzies. They don't even make the list in fact.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=867602

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · September 2010

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Adroit is one of the best mages around. He was doing endgame PvP BEFORE you was a level 1 wiz on Archosaur. I can safely say that 60% of my kills, are thanks to adroitb:bye

And actually, this post may prove my point better than any other. If in order to be competitive as a wiz, you have to be "one of the best mages around", most players won't be. Therefore, they are better off picking something other than a wiz.

Adroit - Lost City · September 2010

Mizuoni

I'll reply to BLOOD later when I'm not in a rush to beat traffic b4 I leave on my 400 mile drive b:shocked

HexOmega - Dreamweaver · September 2010

miz stop bragging around b:chuckle

+ there are other archers you should worry about, they are not that *shiny pruple with a deaf face* but definitely skilled ... and g15+12 nirvana hurts alot too ;P
(edit: yes u got me, i didnt read page 3-4)

ay all my 1vs1 wins are lucky crits! i need more critrate b:dirty

--
back to archers...

i have 2 remotely good geared (+5-7 armor and +10bows) archer friends in our #1 opposing faction
they made new genies with elemental resistance skills... and are now farming elemental cube neck and belt just cause they always get killed by wizards in tw xd

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · September 2010

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Yes yes, I'll be sure to add you to his fan club mailer.

And there were lots of wizzies doing endgame pvp before I was level 1 on Archo. I suppose we should listen blindly to them all.

And what is "decent pdef"?

My point is all this space is taken up with nothing helpful. Then when someone gives and opinion all people do to rebutt it is to say how great they are or how aweful the opinion giver is. Not helpful to those that post here, and doesn't speak well of those that do it.

Adroit on other posts has said that -interval chars can kill wiz in a second, but then he flames against the mere suggestion that those classes are better suited to pk than a wiz, pretends that I'm saying wizards can't pk and then flames against that, etc. etc. etc.

Honestly, I don't get all the hostility. Its the sign of a childish or otherwise underdeveloped mind, ijs

Oh, and PS: none of the archers on the archer forum are even remotely scared of wizzies. They don't even make the list in fact.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=867602

b:surrendermaybe you should reread your thread....

also, you dont need to be the best, you need to be decent

3k unbuffed is decent pdef at 100. I dont cash shop anymore and I have that.

Borsuc - Raging Tide · September 2010

Well good thing for wiz is that we drop noobs fast... but we kinda have disadvantage against people with equal skill b:surrender

I know in wizard section we laugh at archers and dropping them fast but they do the same in their section... and letting ego aside proper built ones aren't that easy to take down. Would hurt even more if their purge procs on their bows. b:surrender

Loltank - Harshlands · September 2010

I dunno about you guys, but any archer with a heaven shatterer makes me a nervous wreck.

1 proc and I'm boned. Completely boned.

Adroit - Lost City · October 2010

We can kill archers basically as fast as they can kill us. Before I had fortify and sage fow, I basically needed to catch an archer off guard. Unless I had domain ready, I generally could not survive through the stun. The extra range on sage fow evened the playing field a bit. I could put up a fight if I could at least get the seal off. With fortify now, it isnt even fair to archers in my gear range. I resist their stun and then get fow or sleep off, then its just a matter of making them use their domain with either sleep ulti or a sutra combo.. then repeat finishing them off w/ w/e I didnt use the first time xD

Ofc that is just for 1v1's, TW and mass pvp we destroy each other. Its basically just whoever gets the first hit. I know alot of archers (and other classes for that matter) that are almost forced to learn ele resist skills on their genie. Oxygen bubble for bids and w/e the resist fire is called for genie spark. I somehow doubt they'd be sacrificing genie skill slots that only help vs one class if we werent a threat (I suppose 2 classes if you count psychics.. but they were learning these genie skills b4 tideborn so.. meh)

skysing · October 2010

Assuming yourself as a arcane armour wizard fighting yourself as another class.

Assuming both character have equal gear.

At end game if those gear are bad , wizard will have disadvantage becuase of low HP and defence. You wont make used of wizard skills tree because most of the time, you die before you can even react. You can win once in a while but most of the time, the odd are against you.

As wizard upgrade their gear , say + 8 nirvana/events or higher. Wizard shine when they have HP and defence, able to make use of teleporting, seal, sleep, kiting, genie, and pot. With higher refine in weapon and the debuff spell (Undine Strike) , wizard damage yield the highest when comparing to others class. Expensive/good gear give a wizard an advantage when fighting other class.

However, sad to say the only class that Wizard wont be able to beat are Sin. Smart Sin with equal gear or not b:surrender

This is fact, been proven over a fight of 5 times vs a +11 nirvana dagger sin.
I have 10 HP, 10.8k phy def, 9.7 mag def. But guess what? Sometime I die in 2 shot; normal hit of 3.8k follow by a 7.5k crit (sin is not even spark). And when you domain or expel to seal, he run away or hide after you tick his charm. b:angry

Joshcja - Sanctuary · October 2010

skysing wrote: »

Assuming yourself as a arcane armour wizard fighting yourself as another class.

Assuming both character have equal gear.

At end game if those gear are bad

at endgame if you anything but arcane on a wiz theres something wrong

this is a gear based game thus **** gear cannot be endgame

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · October 2010

Kyleran - Raging Tide wrote: »

Why do argue with a person tat as zero PVP knowledge ? i would like to check BLOODMYSTIC's Profile to check his kills, but it is locked lol

EDIT: this coreconnect thing now says I have 910 kills, which puts me in 1st or virtual tie for first. Does teh coreconnect show the kill/death ratio too?

FYI, my kills are second highest for a wiz on my server, probably highest now since it hasn't been updated in quite a while. I don't put a ton of stock in forum rankings, but for those that do, here they are:

pvp

Name

Level---Kills---Class---Server
1. Proski

99

650--Wizard-Archosaur
2. BLOODMYSTIC---99

499--Wizard-Archosaur
3. LOLraped

95

469--Wizard-Archosaur

Kill/Death Ratio
Name

Level----Kill / Death Ratio

Class

Server
1. Fuzzbag

93

5.7

Wizard

Archosaur
2. Mustang_Roy---100

3.0

Wizard

Archosaur
3. BLOODMYSTIC--99

2.9

Wizard

Archosaur

Didn't even know there was a way to lock stuff on here.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · October 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well good thing for wiz is that we drop noobs fast... but we kinda have disadvantage against people with equal skill b:surrender

I know in wizard section we laugh at archers and dropping them fast but they do the same in their section... and letting ego aside proper built ones aren't that easy to take down. Would hurt even more if their purge procs on their bows. b:surrender

This is about all I am saying + they are a much bigger threat much earlier in game. Wizzies don't get there till 90 at best and really much later with better gear. Archers are much more suited to pvp.

Limiting your discussion to "end game only" ignores the level of the person that started this thread (you know, the one I addressed my comments to?). b:bye

Adroit - Lost City · October 2010

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

This is about all I am saying + they are a much bigger threat much earlier in game. Wizzies don't get there till 90 at best and really much later with better gear. Archers are much more suited to pvp.

Limiting your discussion to "end game only" ignores the level of the person that started this thread (you know, the one I addressed my comments to?). b:bye

you cant pvp effectively on any class pre end game.
With hypers/oracles/BH, you can hit end game in less than a month. So talking about end game is very reasonable imo

I_sage_i - Harshlands · October 2010

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

And how is my statement inconsistent with "every class can beat every class". I said every class can beat a wiz. "Don't listen to this guy, we are saying the same thing?" An odd statement to be sure.

If the guy wants an OP pk class (a fair impression from his statement "who won't be able to beat me", I think), then wizard isn't it.

And I love this myth about "equally geared". What does that even mean?

What is "equal gear" for a wizard to -interval?

What is "equal gear" for a wizard to sins stealth?

What is "equal gear" for a wizard to veno's nix?

What is "equal gear" for a wizard to virtually every other classes stuns, seals, buffs, debuffs, etc?

Negative channeling? Thanks.

In terms of pk, wizards are one of the weakest classes, hands down. Sure, you can one shot alot of people, and I guess thats something. And maybe thats what they mean, I don't know.

But anyone that isn't a 1 shot? Your in trouble 90% of the time.

Maybe that changes when everyone gets +12 nirvana. Maybe that benefits wizards more than others. I won't pretend to know.

But for the 90% of everyone that stops short of that, if you want to pk outside of tw, don't pick a wiz if you are looking for a class that has one or more other classes "that can't beat you". You will have to have everyone "outgeared" (whatever thats supposed to mean) to win even 50% of the time, and in group situations, without excellent gear, you will be dead instantly because you are the quintessential easy target. Everyone targets the wiz first.

7 out of the top 10 ranked pk'ers on Dreamweaver are archers. 4 out of the top 10 on Lost City are archers. Wizards? Only 2 out of the top 10 on Lost City and only 1 in the top 10 on Dreamweaver.

i didnt read ur wall-o-text cause im didnt feel like but im pretty sure when u say what is equaly geared u sound kind of stupid. equaly geared means equaly geared meaning +10tt99 chest and +10tt99 chest(for ex.)

Borsuc - Raging Tide · October 2010

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

With hypers/oracles/BH, you can hit end game in less than a month. So talking about end game is very reasonable imo

I would love for FC and hypers to give me endgame gear, unfortunately if I rush in a month I'd be a 7x with no damage reduction against lvl100s.

SuperSayayin - Lost City · October 2010

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

I'll actually answer the question.

No, everyone can beat a wiz. Clerics and psychics have a harder time doing it, and to a certain extent barbs. But they all can.

Don't be a wiz if you want to PvP outside of TW.

DONT BE A WIZ IF YOU WANT TO PVP OUT SIDE OF TW
????????????????????????

Your crazy, its so much fun over powering players of higher lvs or lower players.

PVp as a wiz if very funb:byeb:byeb:bye

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · October 2010

I_sage_i - Harshlands wrote: »

i didnt read ur wall-o-text cause im didnt feel like but im pretty sure when u say what is equaly geared u sound kind of stupid. equaly geared means equaly geared meaning +10tt99 chest and +10tt99 chest(for ex.)

Well then, noone on my server has +10tt99 chest and +10tt99 chest, so now what is equally geared?

SuperSayayin - Lost City wrote: »

DONT BE A WIZ IF YOU WANT TO PVP OUT SIDE OF TW
????????????????????????

Your crazy, its so much fun over powering players of higher lvs or lower players.

PVp as a wiz if very funb:byeb:byeb:bye

noone reads carefully. I didn't say don't pk as a wiz. I told a level 32 that if he wanted to pvp outside of tw, there are classes better suited for it.

Mr_GoodTime - Heavens Tear · October 2010

any class can beat any class o,o (kinda late)

fulgida · October 2010

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

I told a level 32 that if he wanted to pvp outside of tw, there are classes better suited for it.

In my experience, most of low level pk consists of someone with 30+ levels on you trying to gank you.

And, from my point of view, wizards are one of the best suited classes for dealing with that issue.

Of course, you are not going to be landing any PK kills here, and you are not even going to always survive. However, if you can give yourself some extra health and pdef (so you have a chance of surviving one hit of the cheap sort that wanna-be-bullies would likely to be landing on you), and if you can get yourself a reasonably fast bit of flying gear (+3/+5 is probably fast enough), your distance shrink gives you a huge advantage over other classes, for surviving silly ganks.

Meanwhile, if you have enough health and pdef to take a hit from someone like that, and a moderately good weapon (good for low levels, no need to go overboard), and if you have decent healing supplies (you do not even need jiaozi, in my experience, though that makes low level pk easy to survive) you can do quite well in low level pk.

Then again, if you are going from level 1 to level 80 in one day, or something like that, your second best tactic in low level pk would probably be to die and go someplace else (and your best tactic would be to stay where you can not be PK'd).

Edit: after having a problem with an assassin and rethinking things a bit: we have access to about half a dozen targetless genie AoE damage skills. I also want to try weakness, which looks like a possible way of surviving stun long enough to blink out (and costs less energy than expel or absolute domain).

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · October 2010

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

I didn't say he couldn't do "just fine" as a wiz. Doing "just fine" isn't want he seemed to be looking for. He didn't say "can I do just fine as a wiz". He was looking for a class that couldn't kill him.

vs

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I'll still hold to the fact that mages are still fine for pvp.

Stop quoting me on other threads while trying to disagree with me here b:chuckle We essentially agree if you read what I am ACTUALLY saying carefully enough instead of trying to defend the choice to be a wiz.

Oh, and look what else I found:

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

100+: I hate pve.. because nobody wants me in a party. I hate world pvp because my gear sucks b/c I can never get parties, and even if I were to throw a few grand in game.. a sin with a char worth 1/1000th of my char will still **** me. The only thing I'm even remotely good at is TW.

Isn't that what I was flamed at for saying? Don't pvp outside of TW because, as you seem to agree, that is the only thing Wizzies are "remotely good at".

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · November 2010

Before necro - 30 days with no contradiction . . . .

VICTORY!!!!!!!!!

LifeHunting - Lost City · November 2010

Basically any class that can stun can kill a wizard. Any class that can sleep a wizard can kill them.

So any class can kill a wizard

Adroit - Lost City · November 2010

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Before necro - 30 days with no contradiction . . . .

VICTORY!!!!!!!!!

I actually never saw your post. I'll stick to saying sins are OP (and psychics), not that mages are gimped in pvp. I do just fine against the original 6 classes imo.

BTW I dont appretiate being quoted out of context.

Pearlwood - Lost City · November 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

They don't need domain, tree of protection will make their charm tick when they want if close to 50% HP, I thought that was common practice.

We have no chance of killing someone else skilled without pulling off a lucky crit or debuffing combo, which shouldn't be possible if they are skilled.

And sleep doesn't work with anti-stun skills. What are you gonna do when you get hit by 5aps while stunned, domain? Considering a good str genie built for Occult Ice will make you stunlocked for far more than AD lasts, and has a high chance to proc compare to our few very lucky crits in debuffs, what are you gonna do?

Expel wouldn't work since popping it up silences you, making his occult ice delayed. Are you saying you have like a 20% chance of surviving (when it doesn't proc) and even then, it's just a fight-without-genies... who has the advantage?

As for sins -- who cares about stealth? Let's just say a sin with average gear is a useful asset to a squad because he can stunlock/seallock/whatever indefinitely even a cashshopper with +12 nirvana dags and +12 armor for his squad. A wiz? Worthless 5 sec seal with 18 sec cooldown (demon!), 4 sec sleep with 2 min cooldown (not even worth mentioning) and craptastic damage... lucky if you hit 1/16 of his hp with Gush.

When people say "you need to have good gear as a wiz" I see that as "you need to be overgeared as far as your weap is concerned against opponent's armor/defense".

Borsuc, why are u so cynical? You're a huge demon wiz and your posts are basically... depressing. It's ironic, that you've said so much about the preeminence of the demon choice v. the sage choice, yet, the sage wizard's I see usually post with a sense of pride.

Your statement that we have "no chance of killing someone else without a lucky crit or debuffing combo" is wildly inaccurate. Sorry, I don't have to be level 100 to understand this, but then again I am just a young sage.

peace

Borsuc - Raging Tide · November 2010

Because, as much as I like owning a lot of noobs, the fact is that a lot of people who know what they are doing and how to counter a wiz aren't easy to take down, or downright impossible.

You see, we are not good at DPS. We are good at DPH. But this game is heavily biased towards defense against DPH. You have a lot of genies, apoth, defense charms, and stuff that are defensive based most of the time. Even spark, which is at-a-glace an offensive skill, gives you immunity when you need it and purifies you (in case of triple spark), because doing it for damage doesn't work as opponent will just run away most of the time.

I'm just being realistic. As much as I love hitting for 29k (my best realistical record, not set-up situation) on LA... most of the time, especially 1v1, they WILL COUNTER IT. There is a huge difference between fighting noobs and fighting people who know your skills and combos. Wizards are good at wiping the former, but in smaller group situations (not TW for ex), we are vulnerable to the latter... badly. It's like we are MADE to be weak and have no backup plans except distance shrink.

Even if you think about our offensive genie combos -- we're making ourselves vulnerable by wasting precious genie energy that we need since we lack many defensive skills and antistuns. Or in the case of frenzy, even lowering our resistances.

Amour - Lost City · November 2010

I agree with Adroit, I do incredibly well against the original 6 classes. Maybe because I've PvP'd against them for the past 2 years. Maybe because they aren't dex based classes with Zerk/God of Frenzy on their nirvana weapons who can basically oneshot you out of stealth no matter who you are.

If a psychic with +10 nirvana weapon and +6-8 gear went 1v1 me, I'd have trouble. I don't have a good grasp of how to kill them. In the case of assassins... they're just overpowered. +5 1st cast and you can kill anyone with triple. All you need is occult ice. If you fail, force stealth and chi skill and try again in 5 seconds

Pearlwood - Lost City · November 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Because, as much as I like owning a lot of noobs, the fact is that a lot of people who know what they are doing and how to counter a wiz aren't easy to take down, or downright impossible.

You see, we are not good at DPS. We are good at DPH. But this game is heavily biased towards defense against DPH. You have a lot of genies, apoth, defense charms, and stuff that are defensive based most of the time. Even spark, which is at-a-glace an offensive skill, gives you immunity when you need it and purifies you (in case of triple spark), because doing it for damage doesn't work as opponent will just run away most of the time.

I'm just being realistic. As much as I love hitting for 29k (my best realistical record, not set-up situation) on LA... most of the time, especially 1v1, they WILL COUNTER IT. There is a huge difference between fighting noobs and fighting people who know your skills and combos. Wizards are good at wiping the former, but in smaller group situations (not TW for ex), we are vulnerable to the latter... badly. It's like we are MADE to be weak and have no backup plans except distance shrink.

Even if you think about our offensive genie combos -- we're making ourselves vulnerable by wasting precious genie energy that we need since we lack many defensive skills and antistuns. Or in the case of frenzy, even lowering our resistances.

Well, as to genie combos, they have transformed the game into endless methods of strategies. But that's the problem, you cannot prepare for every contingency. That's good for the game and for the wizard. I use an offensive genie with CE combined with apoth pots for exotics such as sutra powder and god's tea. This gives me a good alchemy to create an attack that will be successfull against most classes, especially if you can quickly identify the attacking class and at the same time get the jump. When this happens for me, I rarely have to kite to win....but I kite alot when I'm the one that gets surprised to avoid the stun and make sure my charm is ticked up. This is usually followed by sutra powder (6 sec invincibility) as a matter of course, then undine/sutra/fow/devpyro/ss/CEchi/sutra'd ult (usually MS). This combination is devastating if it can be employed quickly so the ult is sutra'd. Normally, I get no reaction from my opponent at all if it's done properly. If he by chance survives with too much HP to polish him off with a quick spell, then its time to kite until you can ressurrect your chi for round two.

is there any class that can't beat us

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