[Discussion of Territory War Changes 8-5-10]
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Arliana - Dreamweaver wrote: »go move to china then. guess we wont be seeing u anymore since this game is banned in that region. b:bye
jajajajajaj what a bunch of winners
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Indiri - Archosaur wrote: »My guild made a bid last week based on the (at the time) current rules for the TW. It was a large bid because we had to deal with a smart **** with a fake guilds bid. THEN the rules were changes AFTER the bidding and we are out a fat chunk of change. They waited until everyone bid their money and then said, oh, by the way, we aren't giving it back (and do I believe that timing was coincidental? Um, NO). Seriously?
You (and the leader of every faction that bid last week) should submit a ticket and demand your money back.
Most of the complaints people have about these changes are things that were forced on PWI by the Chinese parent and that are largely out of the control of the GM's. This, on the other hand, is entirely the responsibility of our GM's. They chose not to tell us about this until it was too late. They stole your money.
You really have every right to expect a refund.0 -
Most of the complaints people have about these changes are things that were forced on PWI by the Chinese parent and that are largely out of the control of the GM's. This, on the other hand, is entirely the responsibility of our GM's. They chose not to tell us about this until it was too late. They stole your money.
Where did you hear this?100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.0 -
Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »Where did you hear this?
You think the GM's don't know what the patch will contain until after it's installed? They just take this bundle of bits and install it, having no idea what the outcome might be, and then figure out later what it did?0 -
You think the GM's don't know what the patch will contain until after it's installed? They just take this bundle of bits and install it, having no idea what the outcome might be, and then figure out later what it did?
Nevermind I misread your post anyway.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.0 -
You (and the leader of every faction that bid last week) should submit a ticket and demand your money back.
Most of the complaints people have about these changes are things that were forced on PWI by the Chinese parent and that are largely out of the control of the GM's. This, on the other hand, is entirely the responsibility of our GM's. They chose not to tell us about this until it was too late. They stole your money.
You really have every right to expect a refund.
I did submit a ticket, and so did the leader and a large percentage of our faction. The leader requested that for at least this week it still be refunded since we bid in good faith for the rules that we had been given.
As to whether they will actually listen, well, I don't have much faith in that. Which is yet another reason this game is makes me go b:angry0 -
Indiri - Archosaur wrote: »I did submit a ticket, and so did the leader and a large percentage of our faction. The leader requested that for at least this week it still be refunded since we bid in good faith for the rules that we had been given.
As to whether they will actually listen, well, I don't have much faith in that. Which is yet another reason this game is makes me go b:angry
In addition, many people fought TW last weekend (not the weekend that just happened) under the assumption we'd be getting paid on Friday. If people chose, when not getting paid, to use less charms, then thats an informed choice. But the TW from the prior weekend everyone went in assuming we'd get reimbursed the coming friday for land owned that week. Since at the time of the war we didnt know the changes were coming, shouldnt we also have received 1 final week of TW pay for that?0 -
[Forum] Lenore: Rumor has it that a stupid guild leader who paid 200M for an undefended land (read: 150 mirages) was reimbursed that full 200M when he submitted a complaint. You should use that example to....persuade the GMs to your case.0
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You think the GM's don't know what the patch will contain until after it's installed? They just take this bundle of bits and install it, having no idea what the outcome might be, and then figure out later what it did?
Actually, yes... pretty much. As big and proud a title people may thing a GM to be, they're pretty low on the corporate food chain. Take Nirvana for example... GMs were pretty clueless even a month after it was how how things actually worked. Go to your local corporate retail store and scream at the person at the checkout stand about their return policy, because it's all his fault and if he cared he'd change store policy.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
PW have an economy of Third World.
The only people that have big amount of coin is the people that dont play PW.perfectworldcommy.blogspot.com0 -
GM: Omg, I cant help them, just... ignore them, ignore them and itll all go away. Yes, all go away, as if the patch never came out, please, please help me evil corporation
Evil Corporation (PWE): Shut up worm! Pretend you can help the players and give them lip-service, if you tell them the truth we'll fire you!
GM: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!0 -
Theo - Raging Tide wrote: »Couldnt agree more, lets stop talking here since we know they either don't listen to us. Or they do not care. Either way we should do something about it
Anyone have any ideas to "open" their eyes?
there is only 1 way to open their eyes, stop buying zen, if we do that for 1 week at least, they will get worried and will try to find a better way to fix it0 -
Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »GM: Omg, I cant help them, just... ignore them, ignore them and itll all go away. Yes, all go away, as if the patch never came out, please, please help me evil corporation
Evil Corporation (PWE): Shut up worm! Pretend you can help the players and give them lip-service, if you tell them the truth we'll fire you!
GM: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!Aquilez - Sanctuary wrote: »there is only 1 way to open their eyes, stop buying zen, if we do that for 1 week at least, they will get worried and will try to find a better way to fix it
Totally agreed with that.
OMG Archosaur Server is almost death lol xD b:surrender0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Actually, yes... pretty much. As big and proud a title people may thing a GM to be, they're pretty low on the corporate food chain. Take Nirvana for example... GMs were pretty clueless even a month after it was how how things actually worked. Go to your local corporate retail store and scream at the person at the checkout stand about their return policy, because it's all his fault and if he cared he'd change store policy.
That's not because they are kept in the dark. GMs are clueless about the game in general.0 -
Now that this thread has cooled down a little bit, I thought I'd share some thoughts.
As a member of a major tw faction on my server I can tell you this. NOBODY made money from TW anymore. In order to even stand a fighting chance to survive you had to have apoth. pots, charm(s), attack/defense charms to equip, etc. This is a fact on our server, or was. TW was a coin sink if anything, and it gave people something to work hard for.
Second, the amount of best luck tokens pumps is an innumerable amount of more money then TW could ever have. Seriously, I'm sick of duke shouting them out, it makes me wrench.
Furthermore, this has ruined any major competitiveness really left in the game. I sit in archosaur and 1k bored for hours already. What is there to do? Nirvana, who takes a regular barb with 5 aps everywhere. Sure, I go, but it is boring repitition, and with the most recent update is really just a random murder the squishes time. This is speaking for normal people, without insane gear. HH 3-3 and 3-2, NOT WORTH IT. 2x drops killed the green mat market, and the gold drop rate in 1x is HORRENDOUS. HH is just a huge coin sink anymore unless its 2x. Then there's tw. Who is going to go if there's no incentive? A lot of TW used to be about power. Now factions get laughed at. You just spent tons of coin for 150 mirages!!! All that is really left is pk, but wait, noone leaves safe zone except for people coming to zerg you. Everyone else doesn't have to, they're in an instance.
You can release statements saying that this is what you thought would help the economy, etc. It isn't, that is plain and simple. This is designed to encourage more cash-shopping and buying of your character. Heck, it's cheaper to buy the hh mats using chips half the time anymore. You want to combat farming? Then answer this. How am I supposed to farm the rest of my gear now?
I can tell you this. Until this company gets it's head on straight and starts doing actual updates and not just more cash-shop items and changes designed to line their pocket. You will not get another cent from me.
You are losing your players due to your own greed and desire to make a quick buck. You are ruining a wonderful game. I'm actually ashamed to play this game anymore.
The sad thing is, I know the people who actually need to hear this could care less. They probably will just peddle over it and try to ride their cash-wave. I hope they come crashing down. You know a company has lost the support of it's players when we begin to accept it as a fact that we are ignored.0 -
Basingeth - Lost City wrote: »Now that this thread has cooled down a little bit, I thought I'd share some thoughts.
As a member of a major tw faction on my server I can tell you this. NOBODY made money from TW anymore. In order to even stand a fighting chance to survive you had to have apoth. pots, charm(s), attack/defense charms to equip, etc. This is a fact on our server, or was. TW was a coin sink if anything, and it gave people something to work hard for.
Second, the amount of best luck tokens pumps is an innumerable amount of more money then TW could ever have. Seriously, I'm sick of duke shouting them out, it makes me wrench.
Furthermore, this has ruined any major competitiveness really left in the game. I sit in archosaur and 1k bored for hours already. What is there to do? Nirvana, who takes a regular barb with 5 aps everywhere. Sure, I go, but it is boring repitition, and with the most recent update is really just a random murder the squishes time. This is speaking for normal people, without insane gear. HH 3-3 and 3-2, NOT WORTH IT. 2x drops killed the green mat market, and the gold drop rate in 1x is HORRENDOUS. HH is just a huge coin sink anymore unless its 2x. Then there's tw. Who is going to go if there's no incentive? A lot of TW used to be about power. Now factions get laughed at. You just spent tons of coin for 150 mirages!!! All that is really left is pk, but wait, noone leaves safe zone except for people coming to zerg you. Everyone else doesn't have to, they're in an instance.
You can release statements saying that this is what you thought would help the economy, etc. It isn't, that is plain and simple. This is designed to encourage more cash-shopping and buying of your character. Heck, it's cheaper to buy the hh mats using chips half the time anymore. You want to combat farming? Then answer this. How am I supposed to farm the rest of my gear now?
I can tell you this. Until this company gets it's head on straight and starts doing actual updates and not just more cash-shop items and changes designed to line their pocket. You will not get another cent from me.
You are losing your players due to your own greed and desire to make a quick buck. You are ruining a wonderful game. I'm actually ashamed to play this game anymore.
The sad thing is, I know the people who actually need to hear this could care less. They probably will just peddle over it and try to ride their cash-wave. I hope they come crashing down. You know a company has lost the support of it's players when we begin to accept it as a fact that we are ignored.
Perfectly summed up, I couldn't agree more. I could be wrong, but I think this pretty much describes the way all the factors on the server feel as well. There's been a lot more rpk, all the lower levels in my guild are complaining b:surrender0 -
Chasee - Archosaur wrote: »Totally agreed with that.
OMG Archosaur Server is almost death lol xD b:surrender
wasn't the Archosaur server always....dead-ish?"One of the most important factors, not only in military matters but in life as a whole, is ... the ability to direct one's whole energies towards the fulfillment of a particular task." - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
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As always, discussion threads are fruitful. Any response yet? I see them moving and locking threads, but not so much as a peep in these "discussion threads". And frankie wonders what there is to discuss
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Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »wasn't the Archosaur server always....dead-ish?
N onononob:angry there were a lot of ppl who used to played there.
And at this point i think we have to see more F2P options b:chuckle0 -
People pay to make their eyes hurt and themselves angry? Think again. Why do that when you can get it for free?
Before long they'll put "New UI", "Smaller Font" and "Alternative TW System" in the boutique b:chuckle0 -
Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »People pay to make their eyes hurt and themselves angry? Think again. Why do that when you can get it for free?
Before long they'll put "New UI", "Smaller Font" and "Alternative TW System" in the boutique b:chuckle
I think thats the next moveb:shocked!!
Amm a really F2P pm somes pleaseb:bye0 -
Basingeth - Lost City wrote: »Now that this thread has cooled down a little bit, I thought I'd share some thoughts.
As a member of a major tw faction on my server I can tell you this. NOBODY made money from TW anymore. In order to even stand a fighting chance to survive you had to have apoth. pots, charm(s), attack/defense charms to equip, etc. This is a fact on our server, or was. TW was a coin sink if anything, and it gave people something to work hard for.
Second, the amount of best luck tokens pumps is an innumerable amount of more money then TW could ever have. Seriously, I'm sick of duke shouting them out, it makes me wrench.
Furthermore, this has ruined any major competitiveness really left in the game. I sit in archosaur and 1k bored for hours already. What is there to do? Nirvana, who takes a regular barb with 5 aps everywhere. Sure, I go, but it is boring repitition, and with the most recent update is really just a random murder the squishes time. This is speaking for normal people, without insane gear. HH 3-3 and 3-2, NOT WORTH IT. 2x drops killed the green mat market, and the gold drop rate in 1x is HORRENDOUS. HH is just a huge coin sink anymore unless its 2x. Then there's tw. Who is going to go if there's no incentive? A lot of TW used to be about power. Now factions get laughed at. You just spent tons of coin for 150 mirages!!! All that is really left is pk, but wait, noone leaves safe zone except for people coming to zerg you. Everyone else doesn't have to, they're in an instance.
You can release statements saying that this is what you thought would help the economy, etc. It isn't, that is plain and simple. This is designed to encourage more cash-shopping and buying of your character. Heck, it's cheaper to buy the hh mats using chips half the time anymore. You want to combat farming? Then answer this. How am I supposed to farm the rest of my gear now?
I can tell you this. Until this company gets it's head on straight and starts doing actual updates and not just more cash-shop items and changes designed to line their pocket. You will not get another cent from me.
You are losing your players due to your own greed and desire to make a quick buck. You are ruining a wonderful game. I'm actually ashamed to play this game anymore.
The sad thing is, I know the people who actually need to hear this could care less. They probably will just peddle over it and try to ride their cash-wave. I hope they come crashing down. You know a company has lost the support of it's players when we begin to accept it as a fact that we are ignored.
I do agree that the 2x drops killed the TT-market and that the best luck tokens are still a big (probably the biggest) factor for the gold inflation but I disagree on TW being a coin sink thus helping the economy. You buying charms or gold for charms from that tw-money (not saying the TW-paycheck covers all your costs) make the gold price rise drastically over time. Even if you don't want to see it, the old TW system made the situation for everyone who wasn't inside the factions holding a territory worse. The changes will not be seen immediately, it might take weeks until you can see the reaction on the gold market but if no other coin-machine is introduced in that time it's inevitably going that way.
Also I don't understand how the changes are bad for the competitiveness especially in TW. Did those changes happen only to you and the other factions get the old tw-reward? No, everyone has to face the same problem now. I found the situation a lot less balanced before when new factions tried to get onto the map. If you don't wanna go charmed into TWs anymore due to costs heavily outweighting the gain, then don't buy a charm. Other factions' members will forcibly do the same. And don't come saying "but now only the Cashshoppers will win TWs" because EVERY major faction has some heavy cashshoppers which helped them becoming a major faction in the first place.0 -
Dear Devs:
Roses are red
Lemons are sour
Open your eyes
And we'll show you power0 -
Yreccils - Harshlands wrote: »I do agree that the 2x drops killed the TT-market and that the best luck tokens are still a big (probably the biggest) factor for the gold inflation but I disagree on TW being a coin sink thus helping the economy. You buying charms or gold for charms from that tw-money (not saying the TW-paycheck covers all your costs) make the gold price rise drastically over time. Even if you don't want to see it, the old TW system made the situation for everyone who wasn't inside the factions holding a territory worse. The changes will not be seen immediately, it might take weeks until you can see the reaction on the gold market but if no other coin-machine is introduced in that time it's inevitably going that way.
Then let me ask you this? Why was there 500 mil per week going into the economy prior to packs, for an entire year, and inflation, while it existed, was minimal. Prior to Chests of Coins (that did inflate gold price), the price of gold went from about 90k, to 120k, over 9-10 months! Yes, there's a slow gradual inflation, but very minimal.
Then after 1 year, comes the packs. Now someone already did an experiment earlier, they counted the amount of tokens of best luck being opened, and it was about 60, or 300 mil (at 5 mil per token of best luck) over 5 HOURS! For those without math skills that comes to 10,080 million over the 168 hour week. Yes you read right, about 10 BILLION coins per week from tokens of best luck from packs.
So how is the rampant inflation, coincidentally (i think not) timed with the introduction of packs, any of TWs fault? When the amount of cash inflow from TW is only about 5% of that from packs. The simple fact is, TWs 500 mil barely scratches the surface, and i'd venture a guess that its less the the amount of coin introduced into the system per week from simple DQ (and other **** armor drops & other NPC sales) farming.
The problem isnt TW.
(1) Restore TW pay (and the bidding system as well)
(2) REMOVE 10 Mil bank notes from Token of Best Luck reward
There, inflation problem solved. (it wont eliminate inflation, but an economy without minimal inflation isnt healthy either).0 -
Stocks keep dropping dropping dropping. b:chuckle
Keep it up guys. b:laugh0 -
Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »Then let me ask you this? Why was there 500 mil per week going into the economy prior to packs, for an entire year, and inflation, while it existed, was minimal. Prior to Chests of Coins (that did inflate gold price), the price of gold went from about 90k, to 120k, over 9-10 months! Yes, there's a slow gradual inflation, but very minimal.
Then after 1 year, comes the packs. Now someone already did an experiment earlier, they counted the amount of tokens of best luck being opened, and it was about 60, or 300 mil (at 5 mil per token of best luck) over 5 HOURS! For those without math skills that comes to 10,080 million over the 168 hour week. Yes you read right, about 10 BILLION coins per week from tokens of best luck from packs.
So how is the rampant inflation, coincidentally (i think not) timed with the introduction of packs, any of TWs fault? When the amount of cash inflow from TW is only about 5% of that from packs. The simple fact is, TWs 500 mil barely scratches the surface, and i'd venture a guess that its less the the amount of coin introduced into the system per week from simple DQ (and other **** armor drops & other NPC sales) farming.
The problem isnt TW.
(1) Restore TW pay (and the bidding system as well)
(2) REMOVE 10 Mil bank notes from Token of Best Luck reward
There, inflation problem solved. (it wont eliminate inflation, but an economy without minimal inflation isnt healthy either).
Hello,
I don't know how things worked out on Heaven's Tear in the beginning, I only speak from my Harshland experience. While there was still territories without any owners (I think I started to play on HL when half the map was still blank) the gold price was at 90k each. It was rising to 115k until all territories were taken and then jumped to about 200k when there was only 3 factions left on the map and as that general situation remained the same, the gold price was more or less fixed arround that amount +-30k at some points. It remained at that mark until the anniversary packs showed up for the first time. While the changes wouldn't be that strong nowadays due to packs and the 10kk notes, just like you said, it would still make a difference from which the average player benefits from.0 -
Yreccils - Harshlands wrote: »Hello,
I don't know how things worked out on Heaven's Tear in the beginning, I only speak from my Harshland experience. While there was still territories without any owners (I think I started to play on HL when half the map was still blank) the gold price was at 90k each. It was rising to 115k until all territories were taken and then jumped to about 200k when there was only 3 factions left on the map and as that general situation remained the same, the gold price was more or less fixed arround that amount +-30k at some points. It remained at that mark until the anniversary packs showed up for the first time. While the changes wouldn't be that strong nowadays due to packs and the 10kk notes, just like you said, it would still make a difference from which the average player benefits from.
When a new server opens, gold is always at an extremely low price. This is because nobody has coins to afford gold. As time goes on and more and more people start getting coins, the gold buyers realize they can raise their selling price for gold.0 -
NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »When a new server opens, gold is always at an extremely low price. This is because nobody has coins to afford gold. As time goes on and more and more people start getting coins, the gold buyers realize they can raise their selling price for gold.
That's elemental but I don't know why you quote me for that.0 -
Yreccils - Harshlands wrote: »That's elemental but I don't know why you quote me for that.
Because your post made it seem like TW pay was the cause for rising gold prices, which is not the case. With the absence of TW pay, gold would rise over time just the same.0 -
not always.. the rt server opened with ppl getting endgame equipment at lvl 1.0
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