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HT will never consider Tao Tao the moment its last original member will press "leave faction". No matter how hard any1 will try to resurrect the faction, it will never ever come close to what it was. As Krimmy said, leave its baggage and name to RIP with Edya leader unless you wanna hear always "you are not the real Taos". Accept its death and let it remain in the HT history as what it was not as a ghost half dead half alive.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I worked hard and waited long for this day, eventhough Tao wasnt much anyone the last few months i am most honoured to say for the last time.....
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XHonestyx - Heavens Tear wrote: »Personally, when Edya and Esemeli left as leader, I didn't see Tao ever coming back to its #1 power. Didn't see anyone with the right kind of swagger to push everybody like they did.
Tao was never #1 power on the server the only way they won lands effectively was by ganking with Caesar <.<
But as others have said already Tao should be laid to rest with the honor it deserves.Respect is something that can never be given or recieved it must be earnt.
That's why i campaign for noobs to stand up against me....
.... so i can watch 'em die by my armageddon b:laugh
Muahahahahaa
That is true respect, at least they got to stand next to me. b:chuckle0 -
Garrand - Heavens Tear wrote: »RIP Tao, u were an epic guild. had my best times in PW with u kicking ****.
Disa, you have done the RIGHT thing. finally, someone has had the guts to do what has been needed. tao has not existed for months. this slow, pathetic death is, and was, never what tao was about.
just let this once brilliant faction finally lay to rest.
if u dont like it, make ur own damn faction, but do not continue to drag Tao's name through the muck.
GG
well said thast why she did it
Kurt Kobain style b:shutup
^ lolAndromaka - Heavens Tear wrote: »Once again it was proved, Tao was all about the women's power b:chuckleNuDe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Thats just awfull to wanna kill a guild when you failed at leading it...
yep, no more powerfull gank ^^
she was a great leader, and did a great job leading Tao from what i saw during my stay there, and i think what she did could have been a great thing not just for Tao's name but for the entire server, forcing everyone out a dead shell of a faction with no leader, to go and join other factions, this will concentrate the power from a dead Tao to other factions to make them stronger, if Tao cant do it on their own the least they can do is help other factions become stronger. From what i saw in guild chat while she was taking about it and after she did it, she was kinda right about no one being able to lead Tao, some peoples behavior in guild chat, and I'm sure on vent (once i heard what was happening i stayed away form that channel b:shocked) was very um...disrespectful, and the reason why i didn't stick around for long after it happened. was the third to leave after crimsonX and sailor no drama for us please b:bye0 -
What did Tao stand for anyway?0
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Freedom of bacon?
But like the idea of letting the faction die with Edya back at lead cause she was the reason it got as strong as it did[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Bacon still isn't free >__>
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it was in tao.. the streets were paved with bacon and there were majestic bacon grease rivers and waterfalls.0
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ew Ulf as much as i like bacon the idea of rivers of grease made me gag just a little ...0
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EW Bacon. >.> -gags and chokes to death-[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, bacon....
-rage quits Enrage for bacon-0 -
Lol what's with the stuff about "you are not the real Tao"? Inevitably guilds change leadership and change member bases. No guild can stay in its original form forever. Radiance, Enrage, and TheEmpire are not what they used to be, but that doesn't hurt them now does it? It's just an excuse. You change, you adapt, or you fail and die in the process. As much as I like to pick on Radiance I have to respect them for enduring their changes, and same with Enrage, which has survived its own numerous leadership changes and internal dramas. Radiance and Enrage was able to pick themselves up after a few dips. Tao? Once Tao started on the decline they never picked it back up. And it's not any one person's fault; it's as much the members' fault as the officers.0
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Nihillae - Heavens Tear wrote: »Nice try,
new guy.
Wow so joining Tao January 19th makes me the "new guy" eh? This is the exact kind of bs old vs new Tao **** that permeated Tao my entire time I was there. People such as WizardTitan and GTMIKEE posted/said the same thing shortly after I joined (amongst others) and left because of this. I was told not ONE original member was left in Tao (perhaps you might have been the only one).Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Confronted - This from you and a few others is why the event occurred at all, because everything that you or they decided on your own, or disagreed with, became an argument. It was never a possibility for you to leave well enough alone, every decision made you had to voice an opinion, and if a decision was made you didn't like, you'd confront many of those involved in the decision for days on end until either it was changed or you threw in the proverbial towel.
Refused - I did not refuse, I walked away and considered the options, settling on Ararat as the only individual with the strength of voice and general character to hold to what Tao has meant to many of its members over time, and parts of the server during that time.
Convinced - Ararat did not do the convincing, I gave him the option as the only person myself and all the online members that had been there for the original 7 months of Tao thought had the potential to hold the doctrine true in his leadership.
As I said it was not her decision alone, she agreed with the suggestion as the only outcomes we and others leaving could forsee would be a destruction of what Tao is and stood for. After seeing the immediate result of my decision to grant 'rat the leadership of him simply seeking to pass it off and the only forseeable options that have been there long enough for the guild to have some sort of faith in, those vocal and commanding enough, are part of the cause for the events occurring at all, I only hope that if the guild decides upon a leader, they agree with what I saw as the only option, or that if he is not the option, remaining Tao members show some faith in the recently merged former Bloodrayn so that the Tao that I knew will have the opportunity to continue on as what it once was. If those are not the options chosen, I hope you see the reason in the decision that we oldest members made, give Edya back the faction that was only truly ascended under her and make a new name for yourselves.
The surprise here to me is that you fail to see. Many of the myriad of former Tao members across the server thanked her for having the strength to take the action she did and giving Tao a greater probability of keeping some of the prestige associated with the name. Maybe it can still, maybe it won't, I will always love the Tao that was.
As I said in my final message in guild chat, and was speaking for the body that has followed or has intent to follow to our new home. We are sorry for the end result, but saw no other way that would keep true what we held dear, please understand and forgive.
The bottom line of all this is; the failure on yours and your wife's part to lead/maintain what Edya and others built. Those people waxing nostalgic about Tao left primarily of the failed actions/inactions on both of your faults. Need examples? 1. We had a spin off of Wargodz formed by one of Jes's best friends. 2. Scarletlady was empowered to be the defacto guild leader for months due to the inaction on your part and how many ppl were infuriated w/ her (hell numerous officers refused to allow her to come back into Tao last week)? Tao became the joke on these forums w/ the infamous order by her telling Tsungfai to clerics in tw. 3. The enforcement of rules when it suited you two (which is one of the main reasons jimbo resigned as director what 3x and refused to come back). 4. Fliick being demoted as director without him even being told prior. Hell I could go on and then I'm sure I'll get some slack as well, but last I checked I was NEVER an officer. I ONLY became war lead due to the consistent FAILURES of leadership to have a consistent tw strat/roster makeup and lead during tw (hell we once lost in what 17 minutes 1v1 vs Enrage when we were equal strength to them at the time and when asked afterwords only ONE squad out of 13 did exactly what the war commander asked prior to tw to do). At anytime if someone didn't want me to do it; could have just asked....but everytime I offered it back to someone I was turned down.
Sure anyone has the right to leave a guild but EVERYONE is an EQUAL member of the guild and NO ONE has the right to DICTATE that the guild will die on the spot as what you guys tried to do by demoting every officer/passing lead. Plus LYING saying ALL officers were privvy to this (as she tried to convey to me) when 4 officers in vent said otherwise...ofc it's gonna get heated. The honorable thing to do would have been to call a guild meeting over the weekend and ask everyone their opinion. But you all had already decided to do this and had your next destination all lined up. So rather then admitting failure and leaving graciously; you attempted to burn the ship as you left and threw away all the life jackets, while you guys jetted off to somewhere else.
Sure some exTao have posted here saying it was the right decision...but I have talked to many other exTao who said the complete otherwise. Basing an action on 5-10 ppl posting agreeing to it doesn't make it right when I can list the same number of exTao (who don't post here) who say otherwise.
Now let the flaming begin.....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
3. The enforcement of rules when it suited you two (which is one of the main reasons jimbo resigned as director what 3x and refused to come back).
Thats the pot calling the kettle black
Now everyone LETS DANCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4d7Wp9kKjA
Cause another faction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE0 -
Thats the pot calling the kettle black
Now everyone LETS DANCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4d7Wp9kKjA
Cause another faction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
hehe sure but as I stated..I was never an officer so how do I enforce rules...I'm there to bend and get poed when others break emb:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
who said i was talking about ur time in Tao0
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Think this is actually my first reply in a thread in perfectworld. Didn't really even look at this forum until a week or two ago. People seem to be missing the point, the officers of a guild are just the reps for the guild, they are not kings or gods that get to decide when the rest live or die. Two major things were done wrong in my opinion:
1) They (whoever that is) decided they had the right to kill Tao. Only Tao itself can decide that and they didn't give us a chance to decide one way or the other. Think of it like an association with members, anything drastic has to be agreed to by a majority at least, not a few peeps. If you aren't in Tao (even if the first member that was in Tao), get over yourself since you aren't here. If you care about Tao and want to help, accepting apps
2) They (again whoever that is) first talked to new guild and made sure they wouldn't get their feet wet when they set the guild on fire and walked away with their heads high. Please, look up honorable in the dictionary.
No idea what will happen in the future to Tao, but at least Tao will decide and not the former Taos that decide a bonfire without warning is for the 'best'. Hope you are never put in charge of someone elses care, sounds like you would use the 1900's horse treatment manual and shoot it.
To the guild that took our former leader, I sincerly hope you had no idea what their plan was and are as shocked as me that a leader would do that. Please make sure you officers don't think they have the RIGHT to do the same to you. If you do, replace them with people that care.
RAT (Ararat 102 Wizard, temporary leader of Tao)0 -
Think this is actually my first reply in a thread in perfectworld. Didn't really even look at this forum until a week or two ago. People seem to be missing the point, the officers of a guild are just the reps for the guild, they are not kings or gods that get to decide when the rest live or die. Two major things were done wrong in my opinion:
1) They (whoever that is) decided they had the right to kill Tao. Only Tao itself can decide that and they didn't give us a chance to decide one way or the other. Think of it like an association with members, anything drastic has to be agreed to by a majority at least, not a few peeps. If you aren't in Tao (even if the first member that was in Tao), get over yourself since you aren't here. If you care about Tao and want to help, accepting apps
2) They (again whoever that is) first talked to new guild and made sure they wouldn't get their feet wet when they set the guild on fire and walked away with their heads high. Please, look up honorable in the dictionary.
No idea what will happen in the future to Tao, but at least Tao will decide and not the former Taos that decide a bonfire without warning is for the 'best'. Hope you are never put in charge of someone elses care, sounds like you would use the 1900's horse treatment manual and shoot it.
To the guild that took our former leader, I sincerly hope you had no idea what their plan was and are as shocked as me that a leader would do that. Please make sure you officers don't think they have the RIGHT to do the same to you. If you do, replace them with people that care.
RAT (Ararat 101 Wizard, temporary leader of Tao)
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I think Tao should end, its not the same as it was. I know I don't have a say in this, I was never a member of Tao, but if the old, core, original members want it to rest in peace....
...better off making a new faction. Tao will never be look at the same, being in Tao now, will only bring more misery, thats what I think at least.....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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That was a guts decision to pull the plug on what was once a great faction. There's an end to all great things, and i'm sure Tao was great for many people. But when that great is gone it's time to move on.
In my long time of mmo's, i've seen more then one ressurections of what once were great guilds, and they all failed. The name of those guilds often carry a big weight that no experienced player wants to join so it's hard to improve. Those guilds always ended up between mediocre to fail. Wait... there was one exception where the ORIGINAL leader and pro player decided to build it up again.
Anyways, the name Tao has a huge **** weight. It was a great guild with many territory and stuff but won't achieve anymore, but it also carries drama, destruction and decline. It's not a very great foundation to build on. So my advise, let Tao die, and move it's members under a new banner and build from there. Or people can join new guilds of course to strengthen them. Like i said before once, in the end a guild name is only an identity of a group of people. You can change the identity without losing the group. But that's only possible if that group is loyal to eachother and want to work for eachother to build things up again.
Rawthorne put all fault on Tao leadership ITT for it's failure. But it's so easy to put all blame on leadership when entire guilds have to do it together. A guild is not property of one or a few beings. It's property lies among all the members (atleast for radiance). Leadership is there to guide everyone into the same direction and chooce what's best for the faction. If leadership did not do this, then it's the guild members responsibility to make sure to correct this. Everyone is human afterall.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Disa - Bravo to you!
Raw - you single handedly managed to alienate and chase away more Tao members than this decision of Disa's ever could. Your abusive attitude towards people, in particular your "wife", chased many good people away from Tao. YOU can blame yourself for a good deal of the reason why Tao died. You chased people out of vent with your constant abuse towards LoR and your attitude towards others. You ruined what were supposed to be fun guild events with your QQ'ing. And now you're QQ'ing continues. Go make your own guild, let the people who are willing to put up with your abuse follow you. The really unfortunate thing, you probably could have been a good leader if you managed to not be such an insecure, abusive person. You were surrounded by people in Tao that were willing to give you a chance, well those that didn't leave right away because you joined. I can only speak for myself, I stuck it out and gave you a chance, you failed. If you feel you can do a better job than Disa, then quit QQ'ing and get off your butt and do it.0 -
Okay..not reading everything here, only read Raw's first post
Dummy, the honourable thing to have done was just finally let Tao die.
Tao is nothing and nowhere near what it used to be, and it needed to die..seriously come on.
Ararat as leader? Absolute facepalm, the guy who was crying in WC about Rad waiting for TE to finish against Tao?
Disa, good for you for finally letting Tao die.
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ok,wow.Really? i can understand both parts in this arguement.Tao used to be a powerhouse with good people in it.Not so much the case,still has good people btu not a powerhouse so much.I can understand some people wanting the faction to be laid to rest,just in case something else goes wrong.Rawthorne is right about the offshoot.We left cause of the lack of leadership.We left cause the leader and the officers,cept 1 or 2, were not listening nor doing like they should.Unfortunatly wargodz did not bloom like some had hoped due to biscuits vaction and a few other unforseen issues. and from the 60 or so in wargodz and the exodus of belial due to thier fail leadership came 2 new factions,Drakon(under the ldrshp of mono) and Dominus(under ldrshp of rule).Both factions are growing fast and im curious about how they will do and ihope thier leaders will do what others have not,listen. As for tao,im not sure whats going to happen,rat may keep lead,hes a good guy and knows what hes doing,or him and the remaining members may shoot off to other factions or stop playing.If rat or someone keeps lead and try to rebuild im sorry to say i dont see tao coming back from this.I think they may end up like evolution, a hollow shell of what they once were.Non the less tao put up good fights back in the day and i think its time to start trash talking a different faction,i vote what ever faction looses fastest this weekendmmmmmm tacos mmmmm
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the key difference between Tao and Enrage is that Enrage, no matter what the changes in leadership, the changes in members, and so on, is that Enrage has always stuck to its original founding 'policies'.
the Tao of today, no matter what anyone argues, simply does not stick to true to its founding ideology.
comparing these two guilds simply does not work. Enrage has a large number of members who are still there who were Enrage members before Tao even existed. Tao, on the other hand, does not have this core in anywhere near the sort of number as its rival, nor has it had this core for some time.
Tao was not the mollycodalling Care Bear faction that it became. i'm not blaming anyone in particular. in many respects tao was a victim of its own success. Edya was able to keep under control the various minorities/groups of friends who at times became conflicted, but after her departure this eventually exploded around christmass time. after that, tao was never truly the same guild. it did not recover the losses in the yuna/ese/hoshi exit, and has ended up in this position.
this was the right move. is it a nice decision? is it fair? perhaps not. but tao is gone and i would rather have it this way, than see the guild become what others have already said. a shallow husk of a TW faction.0 -
Alright...so back to the bacon. The obvious more important topic.
Are there bacon trees? And in winter, could you ice skate on the majestic frozen grease rivers????0 -
Rawthorne - Heavens Tear wrote: »Wow so joining Tao January 19th makes me the "new guy" eh? This is the exact kind of bs old vs new Tao **** that permeated Tao my entire time I was there. People such as WizardTitan and GTMIKEE posted/said the same thing shortly after I joined (amongst others) and left because of this. I was told not ONE original member was left in Tao (perhaps you might have been the only one).
Personally, I think you're overreacting, but if i hurt your feelings,
I'm sorry.
It's not like I called you a liar, I was just trying to gently say you're one to talk, and perhaps you shouldn't pretend to be an authority about things you aren't qualified.
Can I get a TL;DR for the rest of the post? b:surrender
Enjoy your stay in Tao.
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WickedMa - Heavens Tear wrote: »Disa - Bravo to you!
Raw - you single handedly managed to alienate and chase away more Tao members than this decision of Disa's ever could. Your abusive attitude towards people, in particular your "wife", chased many good people away from Tao. YOU can blame yourself for a good deal of the reason why Tao died. You chased people out of vent with your constant abuse towards LoR and your attitude towards others. You ruined what were supposed to be fun guild events with your QQ'ing. And now you're QQ'ing continues. Go make your own guild, let the people who are willing to put up with your abuse follow you. The really unfortunate thing, you probably could have been a good leader if you managed to not be such an insecure, abusive person. You were surrounded by people in Tao that were willing to give you a chance, well those that didn't leave right away because you joined. I can only speak for myself, I stuck it out and gave you a chance, you failed. If you feel you can do a better job than Disa, then quit QQ'ing and get off your butt and do it.
1. Hmm name 1 person who left when I joined..that's right none.
2. There was ONLY one guild event (besides tws) that I ever participated in and that was race in 3-3 and you weren't there so get your facts straight.
3. Hmm wasn't the reason you left was because our exleader posted more or less blasting what you and your clique of Maruja, OgCali, Telnyran, and Slice were doing of nonstop tt money runs; trying to force you guys to take others along? Oh that's right I SUPPORTED you guys in this....so show me how I am culpable....
4. I never asked/wanted any position in Tao nor do I ever.
5. You weren't here when I took over leading tws...it FINALLY became consitent etc. W/ 50+ ppl we were beating and then coming dangerously close to beating TE. Before that we got beat vs Enrage in 17 mins 1v1 when we were evenly matched....
6. Did I cause Biscuit to form another guild and drag many of Tao there? No that was failed exleadership...ask jimbo on that one.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
UntamedFurey - Heavens Tear wrote: »ew Ulf as much as i like bacon the idea of rivers of grease made me gag just a little ...
pfft its great for swimming =DCaeria - Heavens Tear wrote: »EW Bacon. >.> -gags and chokes to death-
blasphemyPo_on - Heavens Tear wrote: »Alright...so back to the bacon. The obvious more important topic.
Are there bacon trees? And in winter, could you ice skate on the majestic frozen grease rivers????
of coarse and ice skating on grease rivers is much better because it has twice as less friction b:chuckle
and really guys, how about we just play the game and have fun? =D0 -
Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear wrote: »pfft its great for swimming =D
woahhh, are there any animals in the grease rivers? besides the barbs and venos of course. Edit: ooo and rawthorne apparently people are saying?Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear wrote: »of coarse and ice skating on grease rivers is much better because it has twice as less friction b:chuckle
ooooooooooo, I bet hockey was fun!!0
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