The largest fail update ever

Alasen - Heavens Tear

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Tough luck then?

Honestly, this isn't a big deal. -.-

Most instance do not take 4 hrs to do......if they do.....ragequit the game then. -.-

So PW F's over people that get bad breaks like that and you say tough luck? lol nice...

Btw u just said MOST instances dont' take 4 hours. what about the ones that do?

RedsRose - Lost City

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

All instances are easy to do under 4 hours if you're 99+ with decent gear and highly refined DDs with interval or +10 weapons of course, but for others it leaves very little space to do any mistakes or afk at all, will be rather stressful i think.

Not true.

Even 3-3 can be run with 4 ppl: 2 100+ and 2 lower 9x in under 2hrs (and that's on a bad night >_>)

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've seen people shouting in WC for replacement people for over 30 minutes sometimes cause somone dc'ed from a run and never came back. Say you're in a instance you can't tank (as your veno). Barb's good, not inexperienced or a noob at their job so u don't wanna lose him. Suddenly.. idk he dont' feel good, has to hit the b'room. He's gone for 15 min. cleric has to tend to the kids, one of them hurt themselves. 20 minutes... Barb's power goes out for 5 minutes (twice, there's a huge storm). You have two clerics cause one boss needs two. Suddenly one has to go and you're spammign WC for 30 min looking for another. you get one, takes em another ... 5 min to get in and get to you. Well that's an hour and 20 minutes right there..... Now what if it wasnt' your "elite squad" and it actullay TAKES THEM THREE HOURS? whoops, all the **** that just happened went over an hour they got less then 3 hours to finish the run. might as well quit the run now (when your'e halfway through)....

Remedy: Dont go in instances when u gotta go afk that much. Some players are so slacked/laid off sometimes that afking is normal during instances. When you go into an instance this is where casual play has to go out the window, at least some of it. Plus emergency after emergency is a rare case.
I remember back in my first JP MMO pple didnt want to squad with non-JP cause they were known to 'AFK every 10min for 10min'.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So PW F's over people that get bad breaks like that and you say tough luck? lol nice...

Btw u just said MOST instances dont' take 4 hours. what about the ones that do?

Can you name ones that take 4 hours?

I said most because I can't really think of any, but I didn't feel like getting flamed for ****.

>____>

Edit: This is why you run TT, RB, FF, etc with friends....not randoms. -.-

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Hari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And @ whoever flamed my earlier post, my point was if either me and one other veno (for 3-2 and 3-3) or just myself (any other TT) can finish the entire instance in less than half the time limit, a squad of 6 should be able to as well.

As I said, how quickly you can do the instance a couple levels over the entry limit, with gear sharded and refined up the wazoo is irrelevant. I don't know why you people keep pointing that out - do you feel the incessant need to brag or something?

There's a distribution of different types of players who play the game. Futzing around with a time allowed in an instance directly impacts what proportion of that distribution can actually complete an instance. I and apparently others are of the opinion that 4 hours is too short - that it impacts too many people at one end. How quickly those of you at the other end can do the instance is completely irrelevant.

And for the record, an fb99 takes like 40 minutes max. Since it's fb99, you should have at least lvl 99s in it...

If you're an achiever-type in Bartle's types of gamers, then I can see why you have no problems with the limit. You read the guides on how to do the instance, or have friends show you until you learn. Then you set about doing it as quickly and as efficiently as you can to maximize the amount of loot you get per hour.

I'm an explorer-type. I like running around in instances testing things out and trying lots of different things. I've killed myself dozens of times on the same boss over and over trying out slightly different variations of strategies to try to figure out which might work better. I can assure you this can take over 4 hours. (Incidentally, people like me are the ones who write the guides you achiever-types use.)

Same goes for social-types. They'll probably waste a lot of time chatting with each other while doing the instance rather than killing stuff as quickly as they can. They can easily go over 4 hours too.

So again, you are assuming that everyone is like you, and should play like you. That simply isn't the case. A change like this impacts certain segments of the playerbase. Just because it does not impact yours does not mean it doesn't cause a problem. Personally I would have no problem if all equipment in the game became time-limited for 1 week. For my style of play, I don't really care about what loot I've collected and I frequently try instances with deliberately crippled equipment sets to challenge myself. But for a stereotypical achiever-type like you, I'm betting you would be absolutely mortified by a change like that and claim it was the end of the game.

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Failness at its finest....5-6hrs/6-10hrs for FF? ROFl....wow....I commend you, I am speechless...lol

If you've got the right group composition to AOE through FF, then yeah it's easy to breeze through it. But where's the fun in that? If you've proven you can beat it, what's the point in doing it over and over the same way? I enjoy challenging myself by doing things the hard way every now and then, and take a broken or underpowered group through there to see how well we can do. It can easily take 5-6 hours if I do that.

Personally I consider the obsession a lot of people have with levels and equipment to be fail, but what say I don't criticize how you play the game and you don't criticize how I play it?

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Exactly. 4hr time limit is not what we need, and it doesn't serve any purpose. Time limit, however, does. In my opinion dev's just chose some random amount of hours and put it in game.

I'm guessing there's some reason buried in the code why it has to be 4 hours. The blessings were limited to 4 hours, at which point they went to the trouble of coding it up so the game would give you a new one when the first one expired. Even though we know they can make blessings which last a week (Jolly Jones blessing from 2008). So 4 hours seems to have some significance in how the game's instances were coded, and may be a limit they can't overcome.

Maiya - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Not true.

Even 3-3 can be run with 4 ppl: 2 100+ and 2 lower 9x in under 2hrs (and that's on a bad night >_>)

My usual squad of 5 100+ and 1 9x takes 45min-1hour on Minister and 30 minutes on Illusion Lord. The fastest experience I've heard about Minister was 30 minutes and that was a +12 person.

RedsRose - Lost City

Maiya - Lost City wrote: »

My usual squad of 5 100+ and 1 9x takes 45min-1hour on Minister and 30 minutes on Illusion Lord. The fastest experience I've heard about Minister was 30 minutes and that was a +12 person.

b:shockedb:shocked

Do you kill everything? O.o

The people I go with run a good majority of the instance. b:surrender

And Minister....Seems like an epically long time. I'll see if I can time it next time I run it, but I know it is not 30min...

Only thing that will take some extra time now is the mobs...but easily countable.

Maiya - Lost City

The mobs kill count isn't enabled yet. It gives you the quest but it doesn't affect anything for the time being.

And no, we typically run through majority of the instance and usually only kill the Wraith Fighters/mobs that wander too close and aggro.

RedsRose - Lost City

Maiya - Lost City wrote: »

The mobs kill count isn't enabled yet. It gives you the quest but it doesn't affect anything for the time being.

And no, we typically run through majority of the instance and usually only kill the Wraith Fighters/mobs that wander too close and aggro.

b:surrender Stuck on how long it takes to kill those bosses...

Granted Minister is a TERRIBLE boss...no point...b:sweat

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As I said, how quickly you can do the instance a couple levels over the entry limit, with gear sharded and refined up the wazoo is irrelevant. I don't know why you people keep pointing that out - do you feel the incessant need to brag or something?

There's a distribution of different types of players who play the game. Futzing around with a time allowed in an instance directly impacts what proportion of that distribution can actually complete an instance. I and apparently others are of the opinion that 4 hours is too short - that it impacts too many people at one end. How quickly those of you at the other end can do the instance is completely irrelevant.


If you're an achiever-type in Bartle's types of gamers, then I can see why you have no problems with the limit. You read the guides on how to do the instance, or have friends show you until you learn. Then you set about doing it as quickly and as efficiently as you can to maximize the amount of loot you get per hour.

I'm an explorer-type. I like running around in instances testing things out and trying lots of different things. I've killed myself dozens of times on the same boss over and over trying out slightly different variations of strategies to try to figure out which might work better. I can assure you this can take over 4 hours. (Incidentally, people like me are the ones who write the guides you achiever-types use.)

Same goes for social-types. They'll probably waste a lot of time chatting with each other while doing the instance rather than killing stuff as quickly as they can. They can easily go over 4 hours too.

So again, you are assuming that everyone is like you, and should play like you. That simply isn't the case. A change like this impacts certain segments of the playerbase. Just because it does not impact yours does not mean it doesn't cause a problem. Personally I would have no problem if all equipment in the game became time-limited for 1 week. For my style of play, I don't really care about what loot I've collected and I frequently try instances with deliberately crippled equipment sets to challenge myself. But for a stereotypical achiever-type like you, I'm betting you would be absolutely mortified by a change like that and claim it was the end of the game.


If you've got the right group composition to AOE through FF, then yeah it's easy to breeze through it. But where's the fun in that? If you've proven you can beat it, what's the point in doing it over and over the same way? I enjoy challenging myself by doing things the hard way every now and then, and take a broken or underpowered group through there to see how well we can do. It can easily take 5-6 hours if I do that.

Personally I consider the obsession a lot of people have with levels and equipment to be fail, but what say I don't criticize how you play the game and you don't criticize how I play it?


I'm guessing there's some reason buried in the code why it has to be 4 hours. The blessings were limited to 4 hours, at which point they went to the trouble of coding it up so the game would give you a new one when the first one expired. Even though we know they can make blessings which last a week (Jolly Jones blessing from 2008). So 4 hours seems to have some significance in how the game's instances were coded, and may be a limit they can't overcome.

While I probably fall under the "achiever-type" which gets heavily criticized in your post, I still understand that not everyone plays the game the same way and it should be afforded room to do or try different things. We've had people bump topics from days of yore when fist BMs and heavy veno's were fail as hell, and **** around or playing differently has afforded us the luxury of making improved characters and use advanced strategies to rush through instances or maximize damage.

Overall, good post.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you've got the right group composition to AOE through FF, then yeah it's easy to breeze through it. But where's the fun in that? If you've proven you can beat it, what's the point in doing it over and over the same way? I enjoy challenging myself by doing things the hard way every now and then, and take a broken or underpowered group through there to see how well we can do. It can easily take 5-6 hours if I do that.

maybe they implemented the 4hrs to make it more challenging :P since u do state u want challenging things, or are u just cherry picking what u want...

Hari - Heavens Tear

o.o 30 minutes for minister? Even with no fisty it takes like 10-15 minutes for me...

and arma is easily 10 minutes

And @Solandri... idk what class your main is, but I mean a typical wined instance with full squads of 99+. ie. a BH or Fb squad. I'm aware that people take lower lvls than that, but even an abaddon with all lvl 89s, wined, shouldn't really take over an hour if you just do culti bosses. If you do every boss, yeah it might reach 2 hours with phys immune.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As I said, how quickly you can do the instance a couple levels over the entry limit, with gear sharded and refined up the wazoo is irrelevant. I don't know why you people keep pointing that out - do you feel the incessant need to brag or something?

There's a distribution of different types of players who play the game. Futzing around with a time allowed in an instance directly impacts what proportion of that distribution can actually complete an instance. I and apparently others are of the opinion that 4 hours is too short - that it impacts too many people at one end. How quickly those of you at the other end can do the instance is completely irrelevant.


If you're an achiever-type in Bartle's types of gamers, then I can see why you have no problems with the limit. You read the guides on how to do the instance, or have friends show you until you learn. Then you set about doing it as quickly and as efficiently as you can to maximize the amount of loot you get per hour.

I'm an explorer-type. I like running around in instances testing things out and trying lots of different things. I've killed myself dozens of times on the same boss over and over trying out slightly different variations of strategies to try to figure out which might work better. I can assure you this can take over 4 hours. (Incidentally, people like me are the ones who write the guides you achiever-types use.)

Same goes for social-types. They'll probably waste a lot of time chatting with each other while doing the instance rather than killing stuff as quickly as they can. They can easily go over 4 hours too.

So again, you are assuming that everyone is like you, and should play like you. That simply isn't the case. A change like this impacts certain segments of the playerbase. Just because it does not impact yours does not mean it doesn't cause a problem. Personally I would have no problem if all equipment in the game became time-limited for 1 week. For my style of play, I don't really care about what loot I've collected and I frequently try instances with deliberately crippled equipment sets to challenge myself. But for a stereotypical achiever-type like you, I'm betting you would be absolutely mortified by a change like that and claim it was the end of the game.


If you've got the right group composition to AOE through FF, then yeah it's easy to breeze through it. But where's the fun in that? If you've proven you can beat it, what's the point in doing it over and over the same way? I enjoy challenging myself by doing things the hard way every now and then, and take a broken or underpowered group through there to see how well we can do. It can easily take 5-6 hours if I do that.

Personally I consider the obsession a lot of people have with levels and equipment to be fail, but what say I don't criticize how you play the game and you don't criticize how I play it?


I'm guessing there's some reason buried in the code why it has to be 4 hours. The blessings were limited to 4 hours, at which point they went to the trouble of coding it up so the game would give you a new one when the first one expired. Even though we know they can make blessings which last a week (Jolly Jones blessing from 2008). So 4 hours seems to have some significance in how the game's instances were coded, and may be a limit they can't overcome.

time is valuable for people, thus why they like to do everything quickly and efficiently. if you're going to explore and take a 5 cleric squad to FCC or something, that's not fair to every single cleric in that squad if they're not explore-minded like you, because some may not have the time to sit in an instance for 6 hours just to "see if they could do it". some may just have those 6 hours to play and would like to get some exp and do other things.

TigerLily - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Not true.

Even 3-3 can be run with 4 ppl: 2 100+ and 2 lower 9x in under 2hrs (and that's on a bad night >_>)

You have 2 players with Rank 8 in your party lol... Im talking about people with "average" gear. Having a ranged tank with +10+12 grade 14/15 bow for sleep bosses sure speed things up.

I mean i can do full run as well under 2 hours with only 4 people if i have amazing DDs in party. You can even do it alone with only 1 char, just play Zerhee type account 5 aps BM with Nirvana Claws or similar and its done in 45 minutes mobs included.

Everyone does not have those type of chars. Just go player info people in midsize factions <.< I think 3-3 will be pretty hard for some people, but maybe it should be? Maybe everyone shouldn't be able to farm higher lvl instances if they didn't spend time on gear first. How ever im mostly pissed about the fact that i cant save instances anymore. Getting kicked from 3-3 wont be an issue for me.

Rillien - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

time is valuable for people, thus why they like to do everything quickly and efficiently. if you're going to explore and take a 5 cleric squad to FCC or something, that's not fair to every single cleric in that squad if they're not explore-minded like you, because some may not have the time to sit in an instance for 6 hours just to "see if they could do it". some may just have those 6 hours to play and would like to get some exp and do other things.

I doubt this is about taking people against their will and making them explore along too. It's a valid point that people have different focuses in MMOs and the time limit may effect more people than everyone is saying [specifically people that may like to 'challenge' themselves or who aren't focused on time but more on unconventionality or testing].

I think the impact can be better measured within the next few months though, and then we'll see how many people experience the frustration of being kicked out of instances...or not.

Hari - Heavens Tear

According to that test thing, I'm 80% explorer, 47% achiever, 40% socializer, and 33% killer... but most of the questions were basically pve vs pvp, so I don't think it's very useful in determining anything.

And yes, just about everything I can think of that I know about playing PWI (except for cube, I use a guide for that) comes from personal experience. I just stick to my usual role for that experience... I'm a veno first and foremost.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I doubt this is about taking people against their will and making them explore along too. It's a valid point that people have different focuses in MMOs and the time limit may effect more people than everyone is saying [specifically people that may like to 'challenge' themselves or who aren't focused on time but more on unconventionality or testing].

I think the impact can be better measured within the next few months though, and then we'll see how many people experience the frustration of being kicked out of instances...or not.

pretty sure they wont have have any heart attacks so theyll be able to live with that update.

Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide

Can we quit the QQ ****?... This is a forum meant for discussing things in game just because someone has concerns and you do not agree with them does not class it as QQ.

Some people from both sides are making valid points drop your internet ego and try discussing it -.-

And yes raising your concerns here will have more of a chance of getting back to the relevant department than sitting there and saying nothing

Using the expression QQ Moar does not make you cool just makes you look pathetic and proves you can not hold a two way discussion good luck in your real life with attitudes like that

Bladecutter - Sanctuary

.... yeah, i find this thread and its actually fun reading what ppl are saying.

i mean COME ON, you take 4 hours doing a fcc???... youre killing mobs 1 by 1 with lvl 1 weapons??? because ive seen bad runs go in 2 hours but 4 hours is a lot

ok, on TTs, the max run i have ever been on was 3 hours, was a fail fail fail fail squad we still finished. TT3-3 doesnt take 4 hours... ive done some without +10/+11/rank gear/+153487 gear.. that didnt take more than 2 or 1,5 hours.

on Fbs... are you serious in this part?

on hypers: 10 activates a day is fine, myself i use up to 7 a run and today i used 5 in each run, which got me 22% in a single day without doing dailys. Yes, this is too easy.

still on hypers: i dont remember who said it before (i was reading and was getting funny xD) if you hyper whole instance theres no point in you complaining, if you hyper each boss, stop doing it, thats easy, i hyper only on fragance, last and hands boss cus they give the most xp (little more than 1% each)

ok.. on solandri, im sorry, but 4 hours exploring those things is too much, go see the sun and then come back and you can keep exploring

on mirages: event gives mirages, im not uberly refined bm or anything, ive still gotten more than 100 mirages from it (i got NO interval gears, im a demon bm wearing bhudda fists)

on RB delta: run takes about 3 hours if done with unefficient squad, never seen one take more than that

wow, this is a wall of text:sorry wasnt my intention =S

new generation players need to learn to do instances too, but they wont take 4 hours on a TT.

PD: as i said, im not uberly refined bm, im an average one, non cashopper, thx for reading.

PD2: you can continue QQing =D

RedsRose - Lost City

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

You have 2 players with Rank 8 in your party lol... Im talking about people with "average" gear. Having a ranged tank with +10+12 grade 14/15 bow for sleep bosses sure speed things up.

I mean i can do full run as well under 2 hours with only 4 people if i have amazing DDs in party. You can even do it alone with only 1 char, just play Zerhee type account 5 aps BM with Nirvana Claws or similar and its done in 45 minutes mobs included.

Everyone does not have those type of chars. Just go player info people in midsize factions <.< I think 3-3 will be pretty hard for some people, but maybe it should be? Maybe everyone shouldn't be able to farm higher lvl instances if they didn't spend time on gear first. How ever im mostly pissed about the fact that i cant save instances anymore. Getting kicked from 3-3 wont be an issue for me.

Even on "average" gear runs, it does not take 4hrs, been there and I have run them...3hrs tops (and that's with issues...) with a squad of "average" gear as you would describe. If I had a 5aps Bm with Nirvana Claws though, I would be in heaven >_> b:surrender

In terms of the saved instances, I know that is a huge thing for a lot of people. I don't save mine but then again, I don't actively (maybe 10% of the time) farm 3-3.


(side note....I wish they I had a +12 to run with...lol)

Yarly - Harshlands

This patch is full of win! b:victory

As you can see from the laughable QQ'n, it was implemented a little too late.

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

b:dirty Just got 1m exp out of cube

EPro - Archosaur

Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »

Good job at killing the game. No blessings and limited hyper? Why the hell is that being put into play? 4 Hours to do a dungeon? So 3-3 and Lunar are impossible now I assume? This update is major fail. Way to go guys, you just ruined the game yet again.

God Forbid you have to lvl and tackle dugeons the way it used to be done prior to hypers and blessings. Curse whoever accidently butt bumped the easy button off.


As for the 4 hr dungeon cap...yea, wtheck is up with that, lol

Alasen - Heavens Tear

Bladecutter - Sanctuary wrote: »

on mirages: event gives mirages, im not uberly refined bm or anything, ive still gotten more than 100 mirages from it (i got NO interval gears, im a demon bm wearing bhudda fists)

um the nien event' snot going to be around forever..... HOWEVER.... check this thread out:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=8668222&posted=1#post8668222

I'm getting in the game now to look at a 3* leg i got with 9 dex for my archer i got sitting in the safe lol.

Foxgrit - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Even on "average" gear runs, it does not take 4hrs, been there and I have run them...3hrs tops (and that's with issues...) with a squad of "average" gear as you would describe. If I had a 5aps Bm with Nirvana Claws though, I would be in heaven >_> b:surrender

In terms of the saved instances, I know that is a huge thing for a lot of people. I don't save mine but then again, I don't actively (maybe 10% of the time) farm 3-3.


(side note....I wish they I had a +12 to run with...lol)

have you ever made a single post that wasnt filled with lies? honest question.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »

have you ever made a single post that wasnt filled with lies? honest question.

yesh she has.

konariraiden

Ooops, almost forgot about this one...but I will keep this thread on my "favorite" to help with the new official thread.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=8670372&posted=1#post8670372