The largest fail update ever

Michael_Dark - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

It must be a Cleric thing because I have no issues as well b:chuckleb:pleased

No issues here at all. As a matter of fact, I'm rather pleased with it as well. A number of improvements, a number of fixes... altogether a great patch!

b:pleased

RedsRose - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

No issues here at all. As a matter of fact, I'm rather pleased with it as well. A number of improvements, a number of fixes... altogether a great patch!

b:pleased

Its an "old-school" thing then! b:chuckle

b:mischievous

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

It must be a Cleric thing because I have no issues as well b:chuckleb:pleased

I guess it is.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Its an "old-school" thing then! b:chuckle

b:mischievous

lol. Must be. I'm kinda bummed that you can't hyper Nirvana's first boss anymore (I think the 10 activation limit on hyper would have been enough), and I think CoF reward is a bit steep. But... No more flashing white on my screen, you can screen neutral buffs, which probably doesn't work in PK mode, dunno yet... the Perfect Encyclopedia is pretty worthless. Otherwise, can't complain. b:victory

Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide

Never used the blessings so wont miss them I was under the assumption that they nerf'd the drop rate if you used them.

The 4 hours thing is slightly annoying though sometimes I like to test my barbs ability like last night when me and a cleric went to kill Linus in 79 and cleared and killed the bosses all by our selves (dying once it was late :P) took us about 4 hours to do good job I done this before you introduced this.

As others have said why not just make bosses not re spawn?... Surely this would solve the problem?

Hari - Heavens Tear

Maybe it's just because I joined when pwi started and never bought hypers... but I find nothing wrong with this update.

Nirvana, a good squad can do in 20 minutes.

BHs, wines are so cheap you really should be wining them, and even if you're not it DEFINITELY shouldn't take 4 hours. The most time a BH100 takes me is an hour, and that's because it's half an RB... I really don't see why lower BHs should take that long.

RBs, I've never taken longer than 3.5 hours. Most are under 3 hours... RB kinda has a set time limit because each wave comes every 2 minutes, and bosses can't take more than 15 minutes.

Hyper limit, lol @ the QQers who can't do more than 2 FFs a day or w/e. I'm like 10% xp to 102 and I've never done a hypered FF - the only hypers I've ever used I won from that cube event and I only used while doing nirvana runs. I was already 101 at the time. If you can't get from lvl 80 to 100 in a week, I hardly think that's a bad thing. Levels used to count for something...

Lunar runs I can do pretty easily in like an hour with a decent squad. It shouldn't take 4 hours even if the entire squad was the minimum lvl...

TTs, I can solo 3-1 and under in an hour. A squad of 6 should be able to do more damage than me, I don't care what their lvls are. 3-3 and 3-2 I can duo in 2 hours or less, again, 6 people shouldn't take as long as 2 people.

@ people who like to afk for hours in the middle of a solo instance... simple: plan your time like everyone else does. Start the instance when you know you won't have anything coming up for an hour or two.


Honestly the only complaint I have about patch is no more saving instances... saved 3-3s are way shorter than unsaved b:shocked but that's a minor thing, basically saved 3-3s just let's you skip coredash, sorceress, and minister... none of which are hard bosses, just take extra time.

Edit: I've also never charged zen. So no QQing about my "cashshopper gears that make me so o/p."

Bioturn - Heavens Tear

I like how most of you are complaining about the 4-hour cap on dungeons. Makes me feel all the better about myself, being a MMO vet, wanting more of a challenge from this game.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen, kiddies.

Technotic - Sanctuary

FC is no longer possible with people in their 70s if they take a break. People would do a squad with 5 level 70s and a level 85+. It would take a longer time because of the lack of DD and if the squad wipes or anyone takes a break, the squad can't complete it. What about a higher FB like 89/99 and unwined? Not everyone has those high level friends to pull them through it so when someone does an FB99 and its just them + their friends in the 80s, unwined is impossible(not to mention, no more blessing).

Why put a limit on Hyper? There is no logical reason to do such a thing. STOP QQing ABOUT PEOPLE THAT USE HYPERS! You are all hypocrites! You all QQed when people spammed oracles, now you're QQing about hypers. Oracles you just spam the same attack combination over and over. Hypers at least got people in FCs and learned to play their class with other people in an uncontrolled environment. You guys don't think much through do you?

Instead of removing the chest of coins from cube, they should make all chest of coins a box that can be opened by right clicking on it(of course it won't be 1m coin. More around 100k).

Why remove blessing? If you're a tank or strong DD, you notice the difference between blessing and no blessing. It does help a lot when it comes to higher stuff.

This patch is making a lot of people quit the game. The only thing you gave us in return from all this chaos is an Encyclopedia which can be found at pwdatabase. Congrats on the fail update b:victory

Alasen - Heavens Tear

Hari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Maybe it's just because I joined when pwi started and never bought hypers... but I find nothing wrong with this update.

Nirvana, a good squad can do in 20 minutes.

BHs, wines are so cheap you really should be wining them, and even if you're not it DEFINITELY shouldn't take 4 hours. The most time a BH100 takes me is an hour, and that's because it's half an RB... I really don't see why lower BHs should take that long.

RBs, I've never taken longer than 3.5 hours. Most are under 3 hours... RB kinda has a set time limit because each wave comes every 2 minutes, and bosses can't take more than 15 minutes.

Hyper limit, lol @ the QQers who can't do more than 2 FFs a day or w/e. I'm like 10% xp to 102 and I've never done a hypered FF - the only hypers I've ever used I won from that cube event and I only used while doing nirvana runs. I was already 101 at the time. If you can't get from lvl 80 to 100 in a week, I hardly think that's a bad thing. Levels used to count for something...

Lunar runs I can do pretty easily in like an hour with a decent squad. It shouldn't take 4 hours even if the entire squad was the minimum lvl...

TTs, I can solo 3-1 and under in an hour. A squad of 6 should be able to do more damage than me, I don't care what their lvls are. 3-3 and 3-2 I can duo in 2 hours or less, again, 6 people shouldn't take as long as 2 people.

@ people who like to afk for hours in the middle of a solo instance... simple: plan your time like everyone else does. Start the instance when you know you won't have anything coming up for an hour or two.


Honestly the only complaint I have about patch is no more saving instances... saved 3-3s are way shorter than unsaved b:shocked but that's a minor thing, basically saved 3-3s just let's you skip coredash, sorceress, and minister... none of which are hard bosses, just take extra time.

Edit: I've also never charged zen. So no QQing about my "cashshopper gears that make me so o/p."

You do realize there's this thing called REAL LIFE that can unexpectadly take us away from this when we weren't plannign on it? one day i was soloing fb 51 to see if i can get some molds... and i was also killing EVERYTHING for rep stamps. I had to go afk quite a few times **** kept coming up. I tihnk i was in there like half the day lol. Say you're solo'ing your tier 3 TT, get to the last boss, and u got .... say an hour left. This is hypothetical cause i havent' even done it idk how long it takes to solo it but still. Then something comes up and u have to go afk and you're gone over an hour, and come back and you're back outside the TT. That wouldn't annoy you? Especially if the drop you wanted is OFF that last boss??

btw i dont' care how fast u can solo 3-1. not all of us are over 100.....

Alasen - Heavens Tear

Bioturn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I like how most of you are complaining about the 4-hour cap on dungeons. Makes me feel all the better about myself, being a MMO vet, wanting more of a challenge from this game.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen, kiddies.

Dude I play FFXI. you want a game where it takes a long time to gets things (legit) go try that lol There's thing thing called Dynamis that takes about 3-4 hours, and THAT's with an ENTIRE "guild". you're not the only mmo "vet" around here, but i'm kinda ticked off at this myself. This game's supposed to be relaxing, not a f'ing rush to get through a instance in time. Especially if you have to show people new to it what to do.... or people **** up costing you time... i could go on and on

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

Hari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@ people who like to afk for hours in the middle of a solo instance... simple: plan your time like everyone else does. Start the instance when you know you won't have anything coming up for an hour or two.

simple, no. wrong, you are. i dont have time to sit in one spot for 4 hours. This just hurts me again, like every patch hurts me over and over. I'm a free player who likes to solo 80% of the time. PWI has been trying to push out my kind for so long now.

and liking this patch has nothing to do with when you started. i was there in the beginning too, so stop being so smug.

RedsRose - Lost City

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

simple, no. wrong, you are. i dont have time to sit in one spot for 4 hours. This just hurts me again, like every patch hurts me over and over. I'm a free player who likes to solo 80% of the time. PWI has been trying to push out my kind for so long now.

and liking this patch has nothing to do with when you started. i was there in the beginning too, so stop being so smug.

Me me me me me....

QQ more

Nothing wrong with the patch at all...you are wrong in being so selfish b:bye

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

It must be a Cleric thing because I have no issues as well b:chuckleb:pleased

Guess I'm a cleric at heart. No issues as well, though they a bit longer extention of the 4h limit would be nice, not enough to let bosses respawn, but enough for even the worse unexperienced squads to finish high lvl instances.

Alasen - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Me me me me me....

QQ more

Nothing wrong with the patch at all...you are wrong in being so selfish b:bye

You're an idiot, nuf said. b:bye

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide

All the complaining in this thread makes Fuzzy laugh... b:laugh

The hyper exp nerf? Not a bad thing at all. Maybe this will force some people to actually get the heck outta FF and do something like.... ummm.. farm some gear? There is an extraordinary number of players Fuzzy sees running around HORRIBLY under-geared. For whatever reason it seems many people are more concerned about having a high level that they are with having the equipment to back it up. Its too damn funny when me take a look at alot of armour many 9x+ have, and it is a mish-mash of **** molds an 8x stuff.

Yay! You have FF memorized to the point you can do it blindfolded... step into any other higher level instance and get torn apart. Maybe if you spent half as much time working on equip as worrying about hypers this wouldn't be a problem .... and hey, maybe this is why the same people are complaining about the removal of the dominance blessing?? b:chuckle

As for the 4hr time limit? Honestly there isn't a single instance that should take 4 hours unless you are intentionally wasting time. Delta, 3-3 and ESPECIALLY Lunar can all be done in well under this new time limit. If you have this problem maybe you should run TT etc as often as you run FF till you got it memorized.. That might help ya get it done in less than 4... b:pleased

...Fuzzy just sayin....

RedsRose - Lost City

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

Guess I'ma cleric at heart. No issues as well, though they a bit longer extention of the 4h limit would be nice, not enough to let bosses respawn, but enough for even the worse unexperienced squads to finish high lvl instances.

^ 100% agree

Even in the lower levels I was never in an HH longer then that. Got somewhat close but we were testing some things out b:surrender

Besides, IF you are in one for that long because of afk and the like...ewwwww. I have a pet peeve of people going afk with or without telling you and I will kick from squad or leave them to die b:surrender

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're an idiot, nuf said. b:bye

Try me

At 72, ANY instance that you can open should not take you 4hrs.

Alasen - Heavens Tear

I dont' wanna try you... might make me b:spit

you're so stupid you can't even read. We're talking about SOLO'ING things and having to go afk sometimes. Hell did you even read any of this thread?

Hell even this.... Someone mentioned going in something (high lvl) yesterday and they took 4 hours + cause people died or people had to go and get replaced and other ****... THINGS happen, and this 4 hour limit is going to **** a ton of people. Imagine being at the last boss in.... idk w/e but then the time runs out b4 he's dead.

Malei - Sanctuary

Hari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Maybe it's just because I joined when pwi started and never bought hypers... but I find nothing wrong with this update.

Nirvana, a good squad can do in 20 minutes.

BHs, wines are so cheap you really should be wining them, and even if you're not it DEFINITELY shouldn't take 4 hours. The most time a BH100 takes me is an hour, and that's because it's half an RB... I really don't see why lower BHs should take that long.

RBs, I've never taken longer than 3.5 hours. Most are under 3 hours... RB kinda has a set time limit because each wave comes every 2 minutes, and bosses can't take more than 15 minutes.

Hyper limit, lol @ the QQers who can't do more than 2 FFs a day or w/e. I'm like 10% xp to 102 and I've never done a hypered FF - the only hypers I've ever used I won from that cube event and I only used while doing nirvana runs. I was already 101 at the time. If you can't get from lvl 80 to 100 in a week, I hardly think that's a bad thing. Levels used to count for something...

Lunar runs I can do pretty easily in like an hour with a decent squad. It shouldn't take 4 hours even if the entire squad was the minimum lvl...

TTs, I can solo 3-1 and under in an hour. A squad of 6 should be able to do more damage than me, I don't care what their lvls are. 3-3 and 3-2 I can duo in 2 hours or less, again, 6 people shouldn't take as long as 2 people.

@ people who like to afk for hours in the middle of a solo instance... simple: plan your time like everyone else does. Start the instance when you know you won't have anything coming up for an hour or two.


Honestly the only complaint I have about patch is no more saving instances... saved 3-3s are way shorter than unsaved b:shocked but that's a minor thing, basically saved 3-3s just let's you skip coredash, sorceress, and minister... none of which are hard bosses, just take extra time.

Edit: I've also never charged zen. So no QQing about my "cashshopper gears that make me so o/p."

I think the pure reason behind the "QQ" is that time is a major factor here for most. I loved knowing that I could just afk in a dungeon without any real worries or by a certain boss, go do other things like go to the store and whatever else came up, and come back to finish the job whenever I was less busy. No need to run through the entire thing once more.

Everything else, let them have it. I am old school as well, time before super hyper leveling and all that jazz, but why interfere with the dungeon? Yes, it keeps people from saving instances, but can someone tell me why exactly is that a bad exploit?

SilverCleric - Lost City

I still don't understand why people are still QQIng about the patch, everyone already knows that the Dev's arn't going to do anything about this, and the GM's have no power to change anything.


So, you just have to get use to it since QQ isnt going to do anything. ijs

RedsRose - Lost City

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I dont' wanna try you... might make me b:spit

So then you have no valid reason to call me an idiot. Back it up or gtfo.

The point here is that:

OMG the game is going back to where people have to MAYBE, just maybe work a little more?

I have said before and will say again, this game was 100% playable BEFORE they added all of these little "special perks."

I am sure people will get over it or they will quit. Either way, changes nothing for many b:surrender

ogrant

Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide wrote: »

As others have said why not just make bosses not re spawn?... Surely this would solve the problem?

Because boss respawn and saved instance is not reason of this change.

Hari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Maybe it's just because I joined when pwi started and never bought hypers... but I find nothing wrong with this update.

I started in September 2008. And I find this update totally screwed.
So it is probably because you like powergaming and show-off b:laugh
Skipping the show-off "I duo TT in 5 minutes" examples...

@ people who like to afk for hours in the middle of a solo instance... simple: plan your time like everyone else does. Start the instance when you know you won't have anything coming up for an hour or two.

Thanks for advice. We'll deal ourselves wit our trouble, OK? Enjoy your power.

Edit: I've also never charged zen. So no QQing about my "cashshopper gears that make me so o/p."

I'll tell others something you forget to tell them, so they are not that impressed how you can do it all w/o cash shop. When you started a TT60 cost 500k and gold cost 50k. Easy to buy everything.
So what -% chanelling you have now, -interval, and what is your weapons refine?

Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »

Instead of removing the chest of coins from cube, they should make all chest of coins a box that can be opened by right clicking on it(of course it won't be 1m coin. More around 100k).

Cube was changed to cost more. Why would they change it to cost less?

Maiya - Lost City

Simple solutions: increase the time limit by a couple hours (since that seem to be the main problems people face (the time limit)), increase the time limit to just under the boss respawn time, or stop bosses from respawning. Belial (Ancient Evil) doesn't respawn, so what's different about him compared to others?

As for what I've experienced so far. I like the increased Cube EXP. I don't mind the Hyper cap, as I rarely used it anyway and people were leveling too far already. 4 hour cap, I didn't see anything like a timer, so it would be helpful to at least add something to tell you when you're going to be kicked. Not liking how they plan on adding mob kills to 3-3. The party I farm 3-3 with is already limited to doing runs at night. The barb is even more limited by his family and having to take care of his kid (and another one on the way). A timer would be extremely helpful.

Alasen - Heavens Tear

SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »

I still don't understand why people are still QQIng about the patch, everyone already knows that the Dev's arn't going to do anything about this, and the GM's have no power to change anything.


So, you just have to get use to it since QQ isnt going to do anything. ijs

That's total **** right there. we got so mad about the horns they TOOK THEM OUT. Hello... the GM's CAN TALK TO THE DEVS. get your **** straight b4 u post.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's total **** right there. we got so mad about the horns they TOOK THEM OUT. Hello... the GM's CAN TALK TO THE DEVS. get your **** straight b4 u post.

Nope. They removed those from the Boutique. That's what they can do.

RedsRose - Lost City

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's total **** right there. we got so mad about the horns they TOOK THEM OUT. Hello... the GM's CAN TALK TO THE DEVS. get your **** straight b4 u post.

The option for the Horns to use is still there.

GM's can take Boutique items in and out w/o a patch.

All of this new stuff is coding...GM's cannot do that.

Therefore you cannot compare the Horns with the New coding, they are 100% different in terms of how they would be dealt with.

Ps --> You too can talk to the Dev's...ijs

Alasen - Heavens Tear

Ya, and they had to TALK to the DEVS before they could do that. Did you even read the thread when THAT happened? you musta missed the post by frankie when he said he'd get in touch with the devs. THEN they took the horns outta the boutique when the devs agreed to work on a filter or w/e they're doing.

Alasen - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

The option for the Horns to use is still there.

GM's can take Boutique items in and out w/o a patch.

All of this new stuff is coding...GM's cannot do that.

Therefore you cannot compare the Horns with the New coding, they are 100% different in terms of how they would be dealt with.

Ps --> You too can talk to the Dev's...ijs

no **** Rose... read my post above this.

Edit: and what the hell is "ijs"? sorry i dont' speak text talk

Bioturn - Heavens Tear

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Dude I play FFXI. you want a game where it takes a long time to gets things (legit) go try that lol There's thing thing called Dynamis that takes about 3-4 hours, and THAT's with an ENTIRE "guild". you're not the only mmo "vet" around here, but i'm kinda ticked off at this myself. This game's supposed to be relaxing, not a f'ing rush to get through a instance in time. Especially if you have to show people new to it what to do.... or people **** up costing you time... i could go on and on

Fair enough on the FFXI part, I have played it myself, though I never quite got past level 10, when the grouping part starts to come to life.

But if all you have under your belt is just FFXI, then you aren't that much of a vet. **** pre-ToA, when it first came out and even with SI, that was a true challenge for people, for anyone who could even call themselves pro. If you have ever played during that time of 2001 to early 2003 on ****, then you would understand what a challenge is.

RedsRose - Lost City

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ya, and they had to TALK to the DEVS before they could do that. Did you even read the thread when THAT happened? you musta missed the post by frankie when he said he'd get in touch with the devs.

No...get your head to think.

The GM's can remove stuff from the Boutique when they want.

They get in touch with the Dev's to tell them what they are doing.


And the "no ...."....I posted before you responded = don't cuss. So angry over a GAME.

/facepalm

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ya, and they had to TALK to the DEVS before they could do that. Did you even read the thread when THAT happened? you musta missed the post by frankie when he said he'd get in touch with the devs.

That doesn't mean they had to talk about it. They might have asked to remove the horns completely, but were then given the answer no. Then they just removed those from the boutique without dev's permission. You can never know.