Wizards dueling clerics ... a mistake?

krelianmage

ok, just the other i was seting up shop while talking in faction chat... Then a cleric standing near me challenged me to a duel...

Looking at his weapon, i could see he was almost my lvl, so I canceled my shop stuff an decided to give the guy a happy moment.

So, battle starts... the cleric sleeps me... then he debuffs me ... heals self with ironheart 3 times, uses plume shell or w/e is that called ... all not necessarily in this order... then he finally attacks me... not that much of damage, but then out of anger for all that wait (it took more than 20 secs for me to get out of sleep) I decided to attack the little punk and my attacks hit for 200 dmg each, which were easily healed by the stacked ironheart, while theirs attacks eventually killed me...

I know this is might have been diferent in real pk, where my charm would have saved me from dying...

so, question: wizards shouldnt duel clerics cause that would be certain defeat?

Shadowvzs - Lost City

krelianmage wrote: »

so, question: wizards shouldnt duel clerics cause that would be certain defeat?

if u dont ahve spark than no chance, with spark too its ahrd the duel but really different the pk and duel.

u hited more i bet only his heal healed back in that moment :P u can hut but his heal strong so u dont notice too much dmg, or enough for finishing him in duel.

most of cleric heal before starting the duel too (during count down) and a BT cant kill (exclude if sht gear cleric or lower lv than u) them with 1 hit so forget that because they heal back easily and u lost 2 spark.

Xegeth - Dreamweaver

Yea, dueling clerics is a pain... Only chance I see is trying to get em with BT with undine/frenzy/ep while their plume shell is not activated. Of course you cannot one shot every cleric, especially not when they are vit build. So unless u get a lucky BT crit it can be pretty hard. Good thing is, when you are charmed they have a hard time killing you as well. You just have to be careful of demon/sage sparked plume shots - they hurt a lot.

Ponza - Lost City

Remember, their ironheart dissapears after 15 seconds. Wait for them to sleep you and do their stuff, then when they start attacking you, take 1 or 2 hits, FoW them, heal yourself up with morning dew, wait it out 1 or 2 seconds more, then sleep them and use mountain's seize. This hits them for good damage and stuns them at the same time, by this time ironheart should have worn off, so do your best to nuke them down with gush/pyro/phoenix.

If the cleric isn't dead after an ult, a gush, a pyro, and another phoenix, then he's too good for you. But just in case, by now FoW should have renewed or be close to it, so use that and try to finish off his hp. If he's STILL alive, well, then you're screwed and should just give up :O

SurferGirl - Dreamweaver

i really dont feel like sharing my tactics but clerics are 1 of my fav class to duel i find it really easy and if u were hiting him for 200s it means ur way lower then him

SurferGirl - Dreamweaver

Ponza - Lost City wrote: »

Remember, their ironheart dissapears after 15 seconds. Wait for them to sleep you and do their stuff, then when they start attacking you, take 1 or 2 hits, FoW them, heal yourself up with morning dew, wait it out 1 or 2 seconds more, then sleep them and use mountain's seize. This hits them for good damage and stuns them at the same time, by this time ironheart should have worn off, so do your best to nuke them down with gush/pyro/phoenix.

If the cleric isn't dead after an ult, a gush, a pyro, and another phoenix, then he's too good for you. But just in case, by now FoW should have renewed or be close to it, so use that and try to finish off his hp. If he's STILL alive, well, then you're screwed and should just give up :O

sorry but this is a very very bad idea

clerics use IH almost evrey 2 sec just to make sure it wont run out
heal urself in a duel is always a bad idea inless u are far away and u know u wont get interrupted its a waste of fow to heal urself.
if u use sleep and then MS the sleep affct will wear off before u pull off the MS and even if the ms does hit its pure magic dmg and more clerics are arcane so it will hit him for like 1.5-2k depend on its lvl and will easily be healed with IH.

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

if u got an occult ice with 80% or more there is a chance u cat beat a good cleric in duel (sleep+glacial+occult ice+gush+stone rain+FoW+gush+stone rain ...and pray it will be enough to kill him).... otherwise it's mostly waste of charm and time coz of their heals... (heal heal hit heal heal hit heal heal hit.....)

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Sheswes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if u got an occult ice with 80% or more there is a chance u cat beat a good cleric in duel (sleep+glacial+occult ice+gush+stone rain+FoW+gush+stone rain ...and pray it will be enough to kill him).... otherwise it's mostly waste of charm and time coz of their heals... (heal heal hit heal heal hit heal heal hit.....)

You are aware that freeze doesn't stop enemy from using skills, don't you?

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

/groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

you Are Aware That Freeze Doesn't Stop Enemy From Using Skills, Don't You?

Warning!!! Idiot Detected!!

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Sheswes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Warning!!! Idiot Detected!!

http://selb.us/feri/Flash/%5BZONE%5D_Konata_-_Miniloop.swf

b:bye

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

http://selb.us/feri/Flash/%5BZONE%5D_Konata_-_Miniloop.swf

b:bye

better go pew pew some mobs noobb:bye

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

I do a lot, that's where I've learned that freezing ranged attack mobs (and players) is quite dumb ^_^

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

I do a lot, that's where I've learned that freezing ranged attack mobs (and players) is quite dumb ^_^

go check how occult ice works, then write ur next post... so far u're the dumbest wizard i've ever seen

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Occult Ice is a genie skill that has a 60% chance of freezing the target for 6 seconds, and must be within 10 meters. You can pump your genie with dex, and have a much higher % chance of successfully freezing the target.

b:surrender

Shadowvzs - Lost City

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

I do a lot, that's where I've learned that freezing ranged attack mobs (and players) is quite dumb ^_^

freeze genie skill =instant freeze the target so he cant attack cant move like a stun

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Freeze =/= stun

Stun = can't move or attack
Freeze = can't move but can attack (melee if you are too close or ranged)

Go try it on archer mobs.

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

Freeze =/= stun

Stun = can't move or attack
Freeze = can't move but can attack (melee if you are too close or ranged)

Go try it on archer mobs.

Occult Ice is a genie skill that has a 60% chance of freezing the target for 6 seconds, and must be within 10 meters. You can pump your genie with dex, and have a much higher % chance of successfully freezing the target.

LOL !!!!!!!!!!!
guess harslands has other occult ice as a genie skillb:laughb:laughb:laugh

and..

"go try it on archer mobs" JUST MADE MY DAY ^_^

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Probably. I saw that info in Watcher of the Earth, that's why I skipped this skill so never tried it myself.

But if the description is correct then it's quite as useful as Hailstorm

Oh, and sorry about mobs part. That would involve leaving safe zone what might scare you :<

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

Freeze =/= stun

Stun = can't move or attack
Freeze = can't move but can attack (melee if you are too close or ranged)

Go try it on archer mobs.

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

Probably. I saw that info in Watcher of the Earth, that's why I skipped this skill so never tried it myself.

But if the description is correct then it's quite as useful as Hailstorm

Oh, and sorry about mobs part. That would involve leaving safe zone what might scare you :<

aaaaaaaaaaaa hahahhahahahhahahahahahahahaha b:laughb:laughb:laughb:laugh **** WIZARD DETECTED !!!!

Trancesend - Harshlands

well when u have 2.9 sparks and spark potion then

WOF-2spark-1spark potion-undine on cleric- ext.poison-gush on cleric(to make 1.9 spark to 2 spark)- bt being casted

its not for duel if apho pots dont work on duel..

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Sheswes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

aaaaaaaaaaaa hahahhahahahhahahahahahahahaha **** WIZARD DETECTED !!!!

Glad I made you happy

Now, post "correct" info of the skill or b:bye

I could use one more control skill ^^

Whiteleo - Lost City

Sheswes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if u got an occult ice with 80% or more there is a chance u cat beat a good cleric in duel (sleep+glacial+occult ice+gush+stone rain+FoW+gush+stone rain ...and pray it will be enough to kill him).... otherwise it's mostly waste of charm and time coz of their heals... (heal heal hit heal heal hit heal heal hit.....)

Freeze =/= stun which is correct
u can attack but can't move when u freeze but
occult ice effect is different , it not only freeze but also stun b:shocked.
i guess the desc is wrong.
btw, i don't have that skill in my geine i saw other ppl use it.

ahh on topic...
get undine strike and whisper , extreme poison in geine
max all your Fire mis to lvl 10
max your blade tempest to lvl 10
force of will to 10
phoenix to 10

u can use this in duel or pk to arcane user
FOW > undine and extreme posion > phoenix > gush >
(in here he couldn't do anything cause of FOW and his HP should go down to 3/5 which charm still doesn't tick, if u tick their charm with this attack b:laugh)
and then
Whisper > Blade Tempest > phoenix , cleric should kiss the ground alreadi b:victory
u must have about 2.5 spark for BT and whisper (don't have? just run b:victory )
PS: robe user is the easiest to kill for wiz , imo tbh ijs

Adroit - Lost City

few ways to kill a cleric in a duel...
#1 FoW -> undine -> frenzy -> poison -> gush -> sleep -> BT (for high hp clerics).. or sleep and BT for lower hp clerics
#2 sutra -> FoW -> MS -> glacial snare/sandstorm -> any skill (will kill most clerics and prevent them from ever doing anything)
#3 morning dew -> morning dew (until they sleep u.. or if u see a debuff tempest or wield thunder you can FoW them) -> triple spark -> ****.

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Whiteleo - Lost City wrote: »

occult ice effect is different , it not only freeze but also stun b:shocked.

^#&%^*@#^% PW translators

I'm soooo getting this skill ^_^

Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear

Ponza - Lost City wrote: »

Remember, their ironheart dissapears after 15 seconds. Wait for them to sleep you and do their stuff, then when they start attacking you, take 1 or 2 hits, FoW them, heal yourself up with morning dew, wait it out 1 or 2 seconds more, then sleep them and use mountain's seize. This hits them for good damage and stuns them at the same time, by this time ironheart should have worn off, so do your best to nuke them down with gush/pyro/phoenix.

If the cleric isn't dead after an ult, a gush, a pyro, and another phoenix, then he's too good for you. But just in case, by now FoW should have renewed or be close to it, so use that and try to finish off his hp. If he's STILL alive, well, then you're screwed and should just give up :O

First of all, Mountain's Seize sucks, longest channel of all the ults and lowest damage. The stun isn't even guaranteed. BT would be a better way to go.

Ponza - Lost City

Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear wrote: »

First of all, Mountain's Seize sucks, longest channel of all the ults and lowest damage. The stun isn't even guaranteed. BT would be a better way to go.

Mountain's seize and Blade tempest before lvl 10 are 2 of our most useful skills, try using MS in a 3.99 spark sutra combo and see how it compares to ice dragon. The only reason ice dragon is so talked about is because the sage version hits hard as **** and gives a massive crit chance.

If you could one-shot the cleric using blade tempest, then you win. But we are talking about dueling a decent cleric that doesn't fall to a single blade tempest. So in that case using BT is a waste of 2 sparks.

MS is also only 1 second longer than either BT or BIDS. With even mediocre channel gear you can get it off before sleep ends, but regardless there's not much a cleric can do with the .7-.9 second window that he's unstunned and unslept.

Also 95% chance to stun isn't "guaranteed", but it's a dam good chance. Just because there's a 5% chance the stun doesn't work means its a sucky skill? wtf o.o

Kristoph - Lost City

Once you get to higher levels, clerics get easier honestly. Just stay at their max range. If they happen to hit you a few times, distance shrink back and heal yourself to full with morning dew. If they chase you it means they haven't been healing themselves, so you can seal -> undine -> whatever, really. They'll either be forced to sleep you or heal themselves... Either you'll have to wait till you wake up or you can build chi for blade tempest. Don't forget Elemental Shell either. At my level clerics do more with cyclone/thunder than plume shot thanks to lack of mastery on the latter. And Elemental Shell happens to cover metal attacks..


EDIT: And sutra-ulting in duels is boring, makes almost everything easy

Ponza - Lost City

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

Once you get to higher levels, clerics get easier honestly. Just stay at their max range. If they happen to hit you a few times, distance shrink back and heal yourself to full with morning dew. If they chase you it means they haven't been healing themselves, so you can seal -> undine -> whatever, really. They'll either be forced to sleep you or heal themselves... Either you'll have to wait till you wake up or you can build chi for blade tempest. Don't forget Elemental Shell either. At my level clerics do more with cyclone/thunder than plume shot thanks to lack of mastery on the latter. And Elemental Shell happens to cover metal attacks..


EDIT: And sutra-ulting in duels is boring, makes almost everything easy

There's a cleric on Harshlands with almost 10k hp +10 refine on multiple armors...and a +2 hh90. His phy. def is almost as good as his m. def. how would you go about killing this monster? b:surrender

Nukesrus - Harshlands

Just use my strategy, wherein you run like a ***** until their survival skills wear off. Then, when they start hurling abuse at you, **** em up while they're typing with undine + sleep + BT.

Works every time.


@Ponza: Bust out the wallet, bro, welcome to PWI.

SurferGirl - Dreamweaver

Nukesrus - Harshlands wrote: »

Just use my strategy, wherein you run like a ***** until their survival skills wear off. Then, when they start hurling abuse at you, **** em up while they're typing with undine + sleep + BT.

Works every time.


@Ponza: Bust out the wallet, bro, welcome to PWI.

that wont work on a smart cleric..

smart clerics know that BT can 1 shot them so they use that shell skill that reduce p dmg taken which make u hit them 2k with BT which is not enough to take a cleric out

Kristoph - Lost City

Ponza - Lost City wrote: »

There's a cleric on Harshlands with almost 10k hp +10 refine on multiple armors...and a +2 hh90. His phy. def is almost as good as his m. def. how would you go about killing this monster? b:surrender

+12 your weapon? Ofcourse you're going to be at a disadvantage if you're fighting someone with better gear.


And lol, I'd use the same strategy as in my other post. Seal -> Undine -> hit him once or twice -> Sleep -> Ice Dragon. If it doesn't crit kite away again etc. Tbh I don't think BT would do the job on that.