Psychic's damage

FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
edited June 2010 in Psychic
I remeber there was a thread saying psychic damage and wizard damage.So I finally remembered to take a pic on what i was hitting today on my bh.
First damage is just red tide and not a crit
the second is a normal hit and average skill earth i think so i don't even get the bonus from the fact drake is fire

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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I remeber there was a thread saying psychic damage and wizard damage.So I finally remembered to take a pic on what i was hitting today on my bh.
    First damage is just red tide and not a crit
    the second is a normal hit and average skill earth i think so i don't even get the bonus from the fact drake is fire

    damagen.jpg
    except it's WATER he's weak to
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  • Euphy - Dreamweaver
    Euphy - Dreamweaver Posts: 495 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Well Wraith you'd have to compare Red Tide to Black Ice Dragon or whatever the wizard spell is called. Both are lv.59 - two spark - AoE - water aligned massive damaging spells.
    Oh and by the way... with Wield Thunder I can hit 12,000 on a wood elite... and that's a cleric. Wield Thunder starts at lv.44 and doesn't require any sparks so yeah... *shrugs* I wonder what a maxed out tempest would do.
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    yup that's why i posted it.
    Since many have wizards it's easier to compare facts than"someone said or that one said" etc

    EDIT:Hmmm I have to apologize but do I know you?Sorry if I can't remember you but since you know that it's me wraith i feel bad for it :(
  • Euphy - Dreamweaver
    Euphy - Dreamweaver Posts: 495 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Umm... why don't you go to Ecatomb and just compare the spells?
    At lv.10 Black Ice Dragon Strike:
    Focus one's energy to summon a Water dragon that soars up to the sky and smashes onto the target and all surrounding enemies. Target and enemies in a 8.4 meter radius around target suffer Water damage equal to base magic damage plus 275% of weapon damage plus 5522.4. Has a 86% chance to slow enemies by 60% for 6.2 seconds.

    Oh and b:surrender they don't have the information for Red Tide yet... However Red Tide has a DoT effect... that sounds very powerful.
    Deals base magic damage plus {NA}% of weapon damage plus {NA}Water damage to all targets within 8 meters. Has a {NA}% chance to cause them to bleed for damage equals to your Soulforce over 9 seconds.

    Maybe you, Wraith, could fill in those numbers at lv.86 b:pleased
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  • Euphy - Dreamweaver
    Euphy - Dreamweaver Posts: 495 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Umm... until like two days ago we were both in Dominion b:cry
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Sorry I'm bad at names and since you don't chat much,atleast when i'm around i missed it...I feel so bad.
    AS for ret tide i can fill only for lvl 2 of it since i went more on earth vector and both cost alot to train.The talk in the other post was about for how much psychics compared to wizards actually hit.Someone was saying that a psychic was hitting for 2-3k a boss while a wizard (even if 10 lvls higher)was hitting for 8-10k.So it isn't about what the skill actually says.
    Anyway red tide at my noob only lvl 2 does:basic damage plus 120% of weapon damage plus 3872 water damage.Also has a 56% chance to cause bleed damage equal to my soulforce(OVER 9000 now :)...actually 8992)over 9 secs.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sorry I'm bad at names and since you don't chat much,atleast when i'm around i missed it...I feel so bad.
    AS for ret tide i can fill only for lvl 2 of it since i went more on earth vector and both cost alot to train.The talk in the other post was about for how much psychics compared to wizards actually hit.Someone was saying that a psychic was hitting for 2-3k a boss while a wizard (even if 10 lvls higher)was hitting for 8-10k.So it isn't about what the skill actually says.
    Anyway red tide at my noob only lvl 2 does:basic damage plus 120% of weapon damage plus 3872 water damage.Also has a 56% chance to cause bleed damage equal to my soulforce(OVER 9000 now :)...actually 8992)over 9 secs.

    lvl 2 BIDS
    Focus one's energy to summon a Water dragon that soars up to the sky and smashes onto
    the target and all surrounding enemies. Target and enemies in a 8.8 meter radius
    around target suffer Water damage equal to base magic damage plus 300% of weapon
    damage plus 5931.3. Has a 87% chance to slow enemies by 60% for 6.4 seconds.


    @Euphy
    lvl 10 BIDS
    Focus one's energy to summon a Water dragon that soars up to the sky and smashes onto
    the target and all surrounding enemies. Target and enemies in a 12.0 meter radius
    around target suffer Water damage equal to base magic damage plus 500% of weapon
    damage plus 9648.9. Has a 95% chance to slow enemies by 60% for 8.0 seconds.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    BIDS > Red tide....(unless they super overpower cleric's soulorbs)
    b:chuckle
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    BIDS > Red tide....(unless they super overpower cleric's soulorbs)
    b:chuckle

    glacial snare does more than red tide now that i think about it

    lvl 10 glacial snare
    Launch multiple ice arrows at the enemy to trap them in an
    ice prison causing Water damage equal to base magic damage
    plus 300% of weapon damage plus 4880.1.
    Has a 92% chance to slow enemy's speed by 80% for 6.0 seconds


    for comparison sake, lvl 2 glacial snare

    Launch multiple ice arrows at the enemy to trap them in an
    ice prison causing Water damage equal to base magic damage
    plus 180% of weapon damage plus 2440.1.
    Has a 68% chance to slow enemy's speed by 80% for 4.4 seconds.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    For direct imediate dmg yes it's much stronger but 9k(at my lvl/equip)bleed over 9 secs isn't less and at lvl 10 the chance to get bleed is 80%.Still the dragon pwns :)
    On topic as I said the second hit is spirit blast which is earth so it can be counted as average hit.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    lol Mizuoni if that be true...
    you has just crushed the hopes of hundreds of tideborn psychics looking for an easier wizard.
    b:chuckle

    also bleed effect....is it bugged like teh nix?
    or does it work as it should and get reduced by physical defense?
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Who said playing the psychic was that easy?Hehe play one hamsta,you'll either like it or hate it.I like it.
    EDIT:Phoenix bleed isn't bugged :(.As for mine it suffers some reduction in pvp but on bosses it does full damage from what i see(around 1100 dmg per sec)
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    heck every class be easy for me lol....
    me played numerous mmorpgs.
    XD
    me just happen to have a few preferences.
    b:chuckle
    like how me don't like melee classes.
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  • Phoenix - Dreamweaver
    Phoenix - Dreamweaver Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    As for mine it suffers some reduction in pvp but on bosses it does full damage from what i see(around 1100 dmg per sec)

    The difference in damage comes from players generally having higher physical defense than mobs. Just because I can zerk-crit bosses for 15k doesn't mean I can one-shot every non-barb I come across.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka 1100 on regular mobs would translate to around 200-300 damage on regular people.
    o.o'
    a regular hp pot would more then cover that damage.
    b:chuckle

    also me wondering why your name seems familiar?
    is Fraz Kafka some sort of author who wrote interesting fiction?
    b:puzzled


    also um ya Nix bleed be bugged....damage log shows that the nix does about 300 dmg (but me will ignore that as mayhaps....dots don't show up on dmg logs) to me yet it ticks for 900+ which obviously be ignoring me defense.
    ._.'
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  • Phoenix - Dreamweaver
    Phoenix - Dreamweaver Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    It just ignores PVP reduction (which also affects [?] bosses), defense is still calculated normally.
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Didn't you asnwered yourself saying that dot dmg don't show in the log so it is corect.what you see it's the base dmg of phoenix the bleed is an extra.
    As for my bleed my barb does 300 dmg for second with flesh ream on mobs so 1k/sec dmg is better i think.Also this damage increases with each lvl/refine and better rank equipment while the bm/barb bleed has a max.
    As for the name you might remember it from a type of expression that comes from the type of situations he creates in his writtings:"kafkian situation"
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Didn't you asnwered yourself saying that dot dmg don't show in the log so it is corect.what you see it's the base dmg of phoenix the bleed is an extra.
    As for my bleed my barb does 300 dmg for second with flesh ream on mobs so 1k/sec dmg is better i think.Also this damage increases with each lvl/refine and better rank equipment while the bm/barb bleed has a max.
    As for the name you might remember it from a type of expression that comes from the type of situations he creates in his writtings:"kafkian situation"

    sowwy for not being clear.
    xD
    me meant that me will ignore the fact that some number such as 300 appears when me obviously get hit for 900+....and it already be known that nix bleed be bugged (it frigging does waaay more damage then barb/bm of equal or even greater level's bleeds lol!)
    which be what Phoenix said...veno's nix bleed doesn't get PvP reduction...
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  • mbrunestud
    mbrunestud Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    dude nix bleed doesn't suffer PvP reduction, everyone already knows this
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    lol Mizuoni if that be true...
    you has just crushed the hopes of hundreds of tideborn psychics looking for an easier wizard.
    b:chuckle

    also bleed effect....is it bugged like teh nix?
    or does it work as it should and get reduced by physical defense?

    i ish so mean b:cute

    and psychic is too easy, i got to level 60 in 5 days without oracles....
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I remeber there was a thread saying psychic damage and wizard damage.So I finally remembered to take a pic on what i was hitting today on my bh.
    First damage is just red tide and not a crit
    the second is a normal hit and average skill earth i think so i don't even get the bonus from the fact drake is fire

    damagen.jpg

    I had crit 20k for my 62 level Wizard.

    It is common to him to do damage 3-12k without crit per one spell (different for different spells and types of mobs).

    In Sutra (during 6 sec) he can do damage up to 28-30k without crit.

    Edit:
    Tested it at common mobs, at bh, fb and TT.
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  • Phoenix - Dreamweaver
    Phoenix - Dreamweaver Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    and psychic is too easy, i got to level 60 in 5 days without oracles....

    Lies. You used oracles any time you had to grind out the rest of your level (which to be honest, isn't that often pre-6x, and non-existent from 60 to 80 if you public quest).

    Even still, Psychic does a metric ****ton of damage. Mechanics tend to get wonky late game (89+), though, so we'll see how things pan out. I already got a good laugh out of a level 85 Assassin popping out of stealth, amp damaging my 80 BM, and then using Earthen Rift for all of 500 damage in TW, though. I'm sure a Psychic is gonna hurt a lot more than that...

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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i ish so mean b:cute

    and psychic is too easy, i got to level 60 in 5 days without oracles....
    I don't understand your logic(well you're Eq material so that makes sense-no offense).A wizard has more basic spell damage and for now you have Undine strike so overall even if i use tide spirit+black voodoo you do more damage.But then you say psychic is easier?since you're a wizard i assume was easier than wizard?again why so if we do so much less damage.beats me but yours my be just an easy said opinion based on non-facts.
    P.S. Don't get me wrong I'm only taking what you said not attacking you as a player.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    My wizard (pure mag build, unrefined ancient arbor) when on BH51 in her late 60s, would hit ~11k with BIDS on the warriors. Haven't sent her on a BH Drake since she hit 70 (she's now 71), and haven't made her a TT70 weapon yet.
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  • Ballistixz - Heavens Tear
    Ballistixz - Heavens Tear Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    BIDS > Red tide....(unless they super overpower cleric's soulorbs)
    b:chuckle


    BID does more intial hit then red tide, but if red tide bleeds kick in then red tide out dmgs BID by ALOT. especially if the psy has high refines to increase there soul force.

    120% wep dmg + 3.8k+9k average soul force and u have done 120% weapon dmg and 12800 dmg in 9 seconds just at lvl 2. also from what i heard the bleed effect isnt effected by def of any kind. but dont quote me on that. it is effected by the pvp reduction of course.

    anyway i can only imagine a lvl 9x or 10x psy with high refines doing insane dmg with soul burn and red tide x.x. soulforce is what makes psys dmg insane. infact all they have to do is in demon form have all there skills get additional atk from soul force and there dmg will be OP as hell.

    anyway red tides bleed would be similar to soul burn. ive seen soulburn deal upwards of between 700 to 750 dmg each time the person effected by it atked. so if that is the case then that same psy can do 700 dmg per tick of red tides bleed effect. which is basically 7k dmg all in 9 seconds from the bleed effect alone. throw in the intial hit from red tide and that would be enought to easily kill alot of ppl within 9 seconds. and well its just super overkill if u cast soulburn AND red tide on someone....

    because of that fact it might be important for a psy to NOT cast these skills in a PvE boss fight or something because they would gain alot of aggro pretty fast.
  • Sangodoc - Dreamweaver
    Sangodoc - Dreamweaver Posts: 501 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    BID does more intial hit then red tide, but if red tide bleeds kick in then red tide out dmgs BID by ALOT. especially if the psy has high refines to increase there soul force.
    Not to mention that Black Ice Dragon Strike takes 5.6 seconds to cast, while Red Tide only takes 3 seconds to cast. You can fire off a Red Tide and a Landslide (2 seconds), and the Wiz will still be 0.6 seconds away from firing off the BIDS. It's the DPS you have to look at, not just the individual spell damage.
  • Toxic - Dreamweaver
    Toxic - Dreamweaver Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I don't understand your logic(well you're Eq material so that makes sense-no offense).A wizard has more basic spell damage and for now you have Undine strike so overall even if i use tide spirit+black voodoo you do more damage.But then you say psychic is easier?since you're a wizard i assume was easier than wizard?again why so if we do so much less damage.beats me but yours my be just an easy said opinion based on non-facts.
    P.S. Don't get me wrong I'm only taking what you said not attacking you as a player.

    WTF Is that supposed to mean? o.O

    Also, I play a veno and psychic, and I say psychic is really easy, except for say single boss fights.
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Was a joke no need to explain it.
    Anyway today thanks to Medorius I've discovered that if I cast soulburn on the cleric he get's hurt when he heals himself.I "killed" him(sort of)while he was spamming ih on him in the first 3 secs :)
    Edit to Sangodoc:Not to mention that landslide cancel channel so that bad **** bids will never launch.This doesn't means would hurt less :)
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Was a joke no need to explain it.
    Anyway today thanks to Medorius I've discovered that if I cast soulburn on the cleric he get's hurt when he heals himself.I "killed" him(sort of)while he was spamming ih on him in the first 3 secs :)
    Edit to Sangodoc:Not to mention that landslide cancel channel so that bad **** bids will never launch.This doesn't means would hurt less :)


    i think it would be better to use first LANDSLIDE (if ur in range)

    cuz u can only interrupt CHANNELING, and BIDS has 4sec. channel



    so, LANDSLIDE and then RED TIDE when u see a wiz casting BIDS
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Don't forget on channeling gear. I know physic can have it too. But the most profit from channeling gear has long channeling spell, which has wizard. So wizard witch good channeling gear gain more advantage than physic with good channeling gear.
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