Psychic's damage
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Azazel - Dreamweaver wrote: »Mizuo gettin conceited over havin a lvl60 psy in 5 days and think he know all.
oh that explains it. no wonder he has so little experience and have no idea on the true potential of a psyb:surrender
only a few days of experience and he throws them out the window. nice nice. that will defiantly prove that the psy is a unworthy class and unfit to be played seeing as how he had so much experience o-o0 -
I think that after wizards, psychics are the class that does more dmg according to their skills although, they dont have skills like undine strike which increases alot wizards dmg, BIDS, MS nd BT which are the hardest hitting spells in the game b:victory0
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Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »oh that explains it. no wonder he has so little experience and have no idea on the true potential of a psyb:surrender
only a few days of experience and he throws them out the window. nice nice. that will defiantly prove that the psy is a unworthy class and unfit to be played seeing as how he had so much experience o-o
Dont listen to him, my psy didnt reach 60 until last week.
5 days after the expansion, i was close to 3x
Cleric outdamages psy btw, cleric has better damage modsSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »Dont listen to him, my psy didnt reach 60 until last week.
5 days after the expansion, i was close to 3x
Cleric outdamages psy btw, cleric has better damage mods
cleric will do more damage in one hit with tempest (note 4 sec channel)
psychic will do more damage within 10 seconds
BTW bvoodoo+glacial shards > wield tempest
for some reason you cannot grasp the fact that psychics do not hit hard in a single hit but they hit really fast0 -
Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »cleric will do more damage in one hit with tempest (note 4 sec channel)
psychic will do more damage within 10 seconds
BTW bvoodoo+glacial shards > wield tempest
for some reason you cannot grasp the fact that psychics do not hit hard in a single hit but they hit really fast
same concept as archers, no wait archers hit hard and fast. Maybe sins? They hit hard a fast too. Bms? Fist Bms doing 5 attacks per second and 1k damage uncrit?
You get my point here? Psys hit fast, but they dont do enough damage to make use of that speed.Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »cleric will do more damage in one hit with tempest (note 4 sec channel)
psychic will do more damage within 10 seconds
BTW bvoodoo+glacial shards > wield tempest
for some reason you cannot grasp the fact that psychics do not hit hard in a single hit but they hit really fast
pretty much like fist BMs, their main focus isnt dmg per hit but dmg per second.0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »same concept as archers, no wait archers hit hard and fast. Maybe sins? They hit hard a fast too. Bms? Fist Bms doing 5 attacks per second and 1k damage uncrit?
You get my point here? Psys hit fast, but they dont do enough damage to make use of that speed.
you have a lowbie psy so u obviously have no idea what you are talking about, I have fought againts psychics my level with good weapon (sum +4 other +5 ) nd their dmg is comparable to mine even though I have most of my skills maxed for my lvl nd I can one hit a **** load of people my level and higher. The main difference between me nd those psychics is that I have things like undine strike and those smexy ultimate skills which make me the ultimate nuker but the truth is that psychics at my lvl hit almost as hard as me.0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »same concept as archers, no wait archers hit hard and fast. Maybe sins? They hit hard a fast too. Bms? Fist Bms doing 5 attacks per second and 1k damage uncrit?
You get my point here? Psys hit fast, but they dont do enough damage to make use of that speed.
Actually, that's why alot of psys went to + their weapons up to milk more damage from their weapons.0 -
Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »cleric will do more damage in one hit with tempest (note 4 sec channel)
psychic will do more damage within 10 seconds
BTW bvoodoo+glacial shards > wield tempest
for some reason you cannot grasp the fact that psychics do not hit hard in a single hit but they hit really fast
The two basic Phy skills VS. Gush and Pyro (all lvl 10):
Spirit-
Channel 0.6 seconds
Cast 1.4 seconds
Basic magical attack plus 100% gear attack and another 2043.6 Earth damage.
Aqua-
Channel 0.5 seconds
Cast 1.5 seconds
basic magical attack plus 100% gear attack and another 1372.6 Water damage.
VS.
Gush-
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
base magic damage plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1372.6.
Pyro-
Channel 1.5 seconds
Cast 0.8 seconds
100% of weapon damage plus base magic damage plus 1379.6.
Please notice that in casting these two spells one after the other, the Phy is only .3 of a second faster than the wiz, notice also that the wiz's channel time is much more of a factor to the total cast time. This means Wiz's will gain more from -channel gear than Phy's, so if you compare a Wiz and a Phy's total cast time when both stack -channel the Wiz will eventually overtake the Phy in speed. From the looks of the numbers though, the Phy will still deal more damage (if Wiz doesn't use Undine), but idk how significant the 700 extra earth dmg from Spirit Blast is.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »you have a lowbie psy so u obviously have no idea what you are talking about, I have fought againts psychics my level with good weapon (sum +4 other +5 ) nd their dmg is comparable to mine even though I have most of my skills maxed for my lvl nd I can one hit a **** load of people my level and higher. The main difference between me nd those psychics is that I have things like undine strike and those smexy ultimate skills which make me the ultimate nuker but the truth is that psychics at my lvl hit almost as hard as me.
You kind sir, have spoken what many mages feared. The gap of damage that closes up should a psy + their weapons.
With - channeling and a good weapon of at least +5, their damage is comparable to any mages, or even exceed at times. Their dps output will soar higher, though still not as fast as an Archer.
If cash is not a problem, Psy clearly have the advantage here. What remains are the hard nukes that mages have at their disposal.
So in terms of building a squad for BH, whoever comes first will probably stay, if they are seeking a balance squad.
I do not see mages as often as I do these days....0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »You kind sir, have spoken what many mages feared. The gap of damage that closes up should a psy + their weapons.
With - channeling and a good weapon of at least +5, their damage is comparable to any mages, or even exceed at times. Their dps output will soar higher, though still not as fast as an Archer.
If cash is not a problem, Psy clearly have the advantage here. What remains are the hard nukes that mages have at their disposal.
So in terms of building a squad for BH, whoever comes first will probably stay, if they are seeking a balance squad.
I do not see mages as often as I do these days....
LOL When I say psy damage arent that far from wiz that doesnt mean the dmg is the same o,0 Wiz still nd obviously does more dmg then psychics with normal skills but wizard using undine does even more dmg, with the ultimate skills wizards become the ultimate nukers. But ye, psychics do very good dmg and the ammount of time needed to cast them is what makes it even better.0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »You kind sir, have spoken what many mages feared. The gap of damage that closes up should a psy + their weapons.
With - channeling and a good weapon of at least +5, their damage is comparable to any mages, or even exceed at times. Their dps output will soar higher, though still not as fast as an Archer.
If cash is not a problem, Psy clearly have the advantage here. What remains are the hard nukes that mages have at their disposal.
So in terms of building a squad for BH, whoever comes first will probably stay, if they are seeking a balance squad.
I do not see mages as often as I do these days....
-chanelling barely affects psy
i dont know what kind of ****** psy would choose gear bcos it has channeling
psy should aim for crit/pdef/hp
u dont need big nukes to kill people
fast damaging hits after charm tick is an alternative way to kill people and almost the only way to kill a buffed barb0 -
Mahdust - Harshlands wrote: »The two basic Phy skills VS. Gush and Pyro (all lvl 10):
Spirit-
Channel 0.6 seconds
Cast 1.4 seconds
Basic magical attack plus 100% gear attack and another 2043.6 Earth damage.
Aqua-
Channel 0.5 seconds
Cast 1.5 seconds
basic magical attack plus 100% gear attack and another 1372.6 Water damage.
VS.
Gush-
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
base magic damage plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1372.6.
Pyro-
Channel 1.5 seconds
Cast 0.8 seconds
100% of weapon damage plus base magic damage plus 1379.6.
Please notice that in casting these two spells one after the other, the Phy is only .3 of a second faster than the wiz, notice also that the wiz's channel time is much more of a factor to the total cast time. This means Wiz's will gain more from -channel gear than Phy's, so if you compare a Wiz and a Phy's total cast time when both stack -channel the Wiz will eventually overtake the Phy in speed. From the looks of the numbers though, the Phy will still deal more damage (if Wiz doesn't use Undine), but idk how significant the 700 extra earth dmg from Spirit Blast is.
you are forgetting to include black voodoo which means that a psy will do more dmg with spirit blast and aqua cannon then a wizz will do with pyro and gush while having the speed at the same time. black voodo is where most of a psys dmg comes from along with tide spirit if needed.0 -
Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »you are forgetting to include black voodoo which means that a psy will do more dmg with spirit blast and aqua cannon then a wizz will do with pyro and gush while having the speed at the same time. black voodo is where most of a psys dmg comes from along with tide spirit if needed.
Undine Strike.
I've heard from higher lvl wiz's that undine adds around 30% more damage on average, black voodoo is +22 atklvl at lvl 10, and lowers deflvl by 11. If you compare them in a duel, a Wiz will do 41% more damage than without these mods, where the Phy only does 22%. (not even factoring in Wiz's earth sheild)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mahdust - Harshlands wrote: »Undine Strike.
soul of retaliation to put undines effect on u and then psychic will to remove undine strike from the psy... this will in turn make us do more dmg to YOU because of ur own skill. (but this is to say the wizzard is stupid enought to cast it while soul of retaliation is on anyway. if they were smart they would know how to get around it however.)
and this is just the lvl 59 skills btw. so even tho psy will and retaliation will make undine in effective u should still compare the wiz 79 skill to the psy 79 skill when we get it.0 -
Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »soul of retaliation to put undines effect on u and then psychic will to remove undine strike from the psy...
and this is just the lvl 59 skills btw. so even tho psy will and retaliation will make undine in effective u should still compare the wiz 79 skill to the psy 79 skill when we get it.
Can they do all that and then counter our sutra after they've been sealed?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »LOL When I say psy damage arent that far from wiz that doesnt mean the dmg is the same o,0 Wiz still nd obviously does more dmg then psychics with normal skills but wizard using undine does even more dmg, with the ultimate skills wizards become the ultimate nukers. But ye, psychics do very good dmg and the ammount of time needed to cast them is what makes it even better.
If we based it on basic nukes, gush and pyro for spamming only, yes, Psy may win out with a weapon of at least +5 and above, and in your level range.
Time is on their side as you seemed to agree.Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »-chanelling barely affects psy
i dont know what kind of ****** psy would choose gear bcos it has channeling
psy should aim for crit/pdef/hp
u dont need big nukes to kill people
fast damaging hits after charm tick is an alternative way to kill people and almost the only way to kill a buffed barb
Actually, if you are that pro and have ideas on how to play your Psy, why not write a guide?
I'm merely expanding on what advantage we already have to get faster and bigger nukes in PVP wise.
The shorter time consumed, the better your chance at winning, nuking hard and fast.
Crit is not even your thing, are you an archer? does 2% crit helps you crit 80% of the time...Nope.
pdef? get shards?
HP wise... shards again?0 -
Mahdust - Harshlands wrote: »Can they do all that and then counter our sutra after they've been sealed?
soul of retaliation is a active buff usually casted before a fight so it woud depend what u open with. also depends if u have soulburn on u because ud probaly just kill urself in the process of doing all of this. unless u decide not to atk for 8 seconds. soulburn does act as a seal if u decide not to atk and a powerful DD if u do decide to atk.
so if u try to seal a psy with soul of retaliation on u will just get sealed as well and get dmg done to u because of soul of retaliations reflect dmg.
so no u cant just go and and say "oh ima do this on him and it will work!" cuz u will fail if the psy is prepared. but u are on a pvp server so it depends on who gets ganked first so w/e.0 -
Man you guys are so slow to learn.Just came after 1 tournament and jsut finished 10 mins ago a Fc(squad was 2 bms around 86,1 veno around 87,1 cleric around 84,1 barb 87 and me).Poor me died 4 times,2 times stole agrro from barb,no worries my fault both time for overcasting and a bit the barb not fleshing enough maybe even if i told him too.Another time I went in a crit spree and boss runned for me like i was a hoe and rapedmy ****,and another time during a zhen maybe the bms didn't do enough dmg after the HF and I might have did to much.My point is if I want to steal agrro at bosses with high dmg reduction(TT,FC)I not only hit fast but hit hard 22 att lvl doesn't means i do more dmg(as a buff would do for an archer or wiz) but i ignore 22 def lvl from the boss which believe it or not outdamages a cleric,wizard or archer of my lvl and even higher lvls if they aren't pure builds(the second ones).
This is not a good or a bad thing mind you,maybe a bit worse than a wizard because with his high casting and chan is easier to control DD than me but overall you get used.But our problem isn't as hard as archer because we don't have that a high crit value.
People said go for crit rather than high mag attack or viceversa.Why?I have them both high mag attack and as much crit as i can(6%).
Also psychics aren't the best or worse class it's how you play them that makes them the worse or best.Sometimes people should give themself or others some credit and not blame or praise the class itself.0 -
Mahdust - Harshlands wrote: »Undine Strike.
I've heard from higher lvl wiz's that undine adds around 30% more damage on average, black voodoo is +22 atklvl at lvl 10, and lowers deflvl by 11. If you compare them in a duel, a Wiz will do 41% more damage than without these mods, where the Phy only does 22%. (not even factoring in Wiz's earth sheild)
kinda unfair to include 79 skills as psychic hasnt got them yet0 -
Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »kinda unfair to include 79 skills as psychic hasnt got them yet
Kinda unfair to not include the main skills that make a Wiz so powerful. Without the 79 skills wiz loses to every class. >_> We don't know what the 79 skills will be, but atm if a Wiz debuffs a boss with undine, then a Phy DDs with black voodoo, a Phy with who stacks crit (like i think a smart one would) will likely out DD archers. >_>Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »soul of retaliation is a active buff usually casted before a fight so it woud depend what u open with. also depends if u have soulburn on u because ud probaly just kill urself in the process of doing all of this. unless u decide not to atk for 8 seconds. soulburn does act as a seal if u decide not to atk and a powerful DD if u do decide to atk.
so if u try to seal a psy with soul of retaliation on u will just get sealed as well and get dmg done to u because of soul of retaliations reflect dmg.
so no u cant just go and and say "oh ima do this on him and it will work!" cuz u will fail if the psy is prepared. but u are on a pvp server so it depends on who gets ganked first so w/e.
It does depend on the situation, and (sorry for refing to this site but...) Ecatomb says retaliation only reflects one debuff, so it will reflect one of the three debuffs that we have, in this situation a Wiz would have sealed or sleeped right after undine and interupted phy will, then they have a BT coming for them. Unless soulburn does enough damage to 1-2 shot us it wont make that much of a difference because Wiz's focus on dealing high spike damage with ONE action. I dueled a Phy my level that used soul of Vengeance (reflect damage) and it hit 108s on me each attack. If a Phy uses disturb soul though, most of our capabilities are taken away, it has yet to be confirmed if it effects sutra though, the cooldown is 30 seconds and the effect lasts 12, we may just kite around during that time and giggle at the low DD phys do against our high resistances.
Yea there are many possibilities, but atm i think Wiz > phy, but only because of our mastery of the element. Otherwise Phy is a very powerful target against other classes, i can agree anyone will have trouble with them at one point or another.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »If we based it on basic nukes, gush and pyro for spamming only, yes, Psy may win out with a weapon of at least +5 and above, and in your level range.
Time is on their side as you seemed to agree.
Actually, if you are that pro and have ideas on how to play your Psy, why not write a guide? i never said i was pro, it is way to early to write a guide
I'm merely expanding on what advantage we already have to get faster and bigger nukes in PVP wise. this logic is completely flawed and exposes the severity of your mental re.tardation. a wizard with -50 chan will be reducing chaneling of sandstorm buy 1.25 secs(cast time is small like 1 sec?). a psy with -50 chan will be reducing its channeling on glacial shards by 0.25 secs(u will still stand there casting for 2.5 secs).
The shorter time consumed, the better your chance at winning, nuking hard and fast. i have shown earlier -chan doesnt affect your speed that much. - chan doesnt make u nuke harder. increased crit will make u nuke harder more often (through crits)
Crit is not even your thing, are you an archer? does 2% crit helps you crit 80% of the time...Nope. ok again ure being a re.tard. crit is everyones thing. increasing crit is more beneficial if you have lower crit. eg. if you have 98% crit increasing it by 2% flat will equate to approc. a 2% increase in crit. if you have 2% crit and u increase your crit by 2% it will equate to a 100% increase in crit.
pdef? get shards? well duh
HP wise... shards again? no **** genius
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Mahdust - Harshlands wrote: »Kinda unfair to not include the main skills that make a Wiz so powerful. Without the 79 skills wiz loses to every class. >_> We don't know what the 79 skills will be, but atm if a Wiz debuffs a boss with undine, then a Phy DDs with black voodoo, a Phy with who stacks crit (like i think a smart one would) will likely out DD archers. >_>
true, very true
maybe its best everyone stops being re.tarded and stops this comparison bs until the tideborn classes are fully released0 -
Sangodoc - Dreamweaver wrote: »Not to mention that Black Ice Dragon Strike takes 5.6 seconds to cast, while Red Tide only takes 3 seconds to cast. You can fire off a Red Tide and a Landslide (2 seconds), and the Wiz will still be 0.6 seconds away from firing off the BIDS. It's the DPS you have to look at, not just the individual spell damage.
Channel 4.0 seconds (1,6sec till effect appear u after the dragon went out)
still long thats true.so making a combo that leaves u just LESS THAN 1 SECOND to cancel (if u both start the combo at the same time) is nearly a suicide IMO.
this is why wizz got seal/sleep. i am not agaist barbs but u must reach 1st a wizz for interupt his skill (exclude if u use genie interrupt skill)Originally Posted by Miss_Cleo - Lost City View Post
Where did this come from? Have you even played a Psychic? If not then come back when you have.
1) Psychic's at my level are killing players 9x.
and? with archer i did same in lv70 agaist 8x archer. count alot who is enough prepared/ got enough experience in his class/money or time spent to ur gear.Without the 79 skills wiz loses to every class.
its bs in higher lv. kv79 is nice but not that ur last/only chance to win.0 -
this thread is about psy dmg or about psy vs wiz????b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »you have a lowbie psy so u obviously have no idea what you are talking about, I have fought againts psychics my level with good weapon (sum +4 other +5 ) nd their dmg is comparable to mine even though I have most of my skills maxed for my lvl nd I can one hit a **** load of people my level and higher. The main difference between me nd those psychics is that I have things like undine strike and those smexy ultimate skills which make me the ultimate nuker but the truth is that psychics at my lvl hit almost as hard as me.
COMPARISON TIME!
lvl 87 wiz vs lvl 80 psy
my gear = trash LA +3 wheel of life with 1 immac saph
psy gear = tt80 gold arcane 4 socket with immacs citrine/garnet mix and every single thing you can get at lvl 80 that costs a ton with a +5 lvl 80 soulorb with 2 perfect sapphires
I used pdef ornaments and unrefined rings
The psy hits me for 800 with his weakest skill at lvl 10 and 1.5k with his strongest skill at level 10.
I hit the psy for 900 with my will of the pheonix lvl 2
i hit the psy for 1.2k uncrit with blade tempest (he used psychic will to avoid the phys damage)
i hit the psy for 1.5k damage with a lvl 10 sandstorm
So, you are telling me psys dont suck right? Clerics hit me for more than 1.5k with their cyclone lvl 10 and dont forget, im LA. If i was arcane, that psy would be doing **** damage
also i was selfbuffed with stone barrier and the psy had all his buffs on.
If you want more information about these duels, lemme know
oh btw
the score count was
wiz- 2
psy- 2
if only i was arcane...Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »this thread is about psy dmg or about psy vs wiz????b:chuckle
It always seems to be about this b:surrenderMizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »COMPARISON TIME!
lvl 87 wiz vs lvl 80 psy
my gear = trash LA +3 wheel of life with 1 immac saph
psy gear = tt80 gold arcane 4 socket with immacs citrine/garnet mix and every single thing you can get at lvl 80 that costs a ton with a +5 lvl 80 soulorb with 2 perfect sapphires
I used pdef ornaments and unrefined rings
/facepalm @ full HH80 Gold set.....Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sounds like the set of you get at 90...imo no need to shard and refine like that for 80, as you can easily get away with some 3* that are BETTER then the HH80 pieces....just had to comment on this.
As far as Psychic's fair in PvP....if you time it right and get the right skills off, they fair VERY well in PvP!! b:cute0 -
...Why do people keep insisting on testing Psychics in PvP by duelling ? It's just worlds appart. Those comparisons are worth nothing.Risingson - 7x Psychic
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Risingson - Lost City wrote: »...Why do people keep insisting on testing Psychics in PvP by duelling ? It's just worlds appart. Those comparisons are worth nothing.
especially when aqua impact+spirit blast=win....no point[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Risingson - Lost City wrote: »...Why do people keep insisting on testing Psychics in PvP by duelling ? It's just worlds appart. Those comparisons are worth nothing.
Agreed....duels are too controlled to truly test skills imo. They are good for testing newly acquired skills and damage, but not "playing" skills b:surrender0
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