Assassin 90+ - Countertactics

Xegeth - Dreamweaver
Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
edited January 2010 in Wizard
Hey,

I just dueled a 90+ Assassin from my server and was kinda caught of guard. The stunlock is far worse than what BMs can do and that teleport skill next to you is ridiculous... What the hell can you do to break free once they got you? Or what can you do not to let em get you? Because right now I am just shocked. I used fortify, but it didn't seem to work (Maybe bad timing?).. I tried to sleep him, but it didn't even have any effect? Do you have any experiences on how to counter Assassins?

Greets,
Xeg
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  • /Groovy/ - Harshlands
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Fight in the air
    Packs World International
  • Sacronox - Harshlands
    Sacronox - Harshlands Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »
    Fight in the air

    o.o how does that help?
    4x sin - Sacronox
    3x psy- Aegento
    5x wiz- Kimbley
    3x ea - Mavado

    Raging Tides-
    3x cleric- Ishmael
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hey,

    I just dueled a 90+ Assassin from my server and was kinda caught of guard. The stunlock is far worse than what BMs can do and that teleport skill next to you is ridiculous... What the hell can you do to break free once they got you? Or what can you do not to let em get you? Because right now I am just shocked. I used fortify, but it didn't seem to work (Maybe bad timing?).. I tried to sleep him, but it didn't even have any effect? Do you have any experiences on how to counter Assassins?

    Greets,
    Xeg

    you got pwned by swordman? (Ri$en). OMG he is sooo OP. ask fizzy, he beat Ri$en before.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    few ideea:
    Fortify Level 1
    Genie lvl 21
    SP 1.160
    Wood 5

    Energy 55
    Stamina 600
    Instant
    Cooldown 30 seconds
    Requisite Class All

    Become immune to stuns for 5 seconds.
    95% chance to reduce your magic resistances.

    Dexterity: Every 30 Genie Dexterity points increases the duration by 1 second.
    Occult Ice Level 1
    Genie lvl 30
    SP 2.560
    Water 7

    Range 10 meters
    Energy 80
    Stamina 500
    Instant
    Cooldown 15 seconds
    Requisite Class All

    A frigid blast of cold air.
    Has a 30% chance to freeze the target for 3.3 seconds.

    Strength: Every 2 Genie Strength points increases the success rate by 1%.

    this expensive
    Absolute Domain Level 10
    Genie lvl 99
    SP 500.000 (1.411.700)
    Metal 4 - Water 4 - Earth 4

    Range 5 meters
    Energy 135
    Stamina 999
    Instant
    Cooldown 180 seconds
    Requisite Class All

    Makes yourself and all allies within 5 meters immune to all damage for 4.0 seconds
    and immune to immobilization for 2 seconds afterwards.

    this skills maybe give enough time for seal or sleep
  • Hizaki - Dreamweaver
    Hizaki - Dreamweaver Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    you got pwned by swordman? (Ri$en). OMG he is sooo OP. ask fizzy, he beat Ri$en before.

    lol oh hai
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  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hey,

    I just dueled a 90+ Assassin from my server and was kinda caught of guard. The stunlock is far worse than what BMs can do and that teleport skill next to you is ridiculous... What the hell can you do to break free once they got you? Or what can you do not to let em get you? Because right now I am just shocked. I used fortify, but it didn't seem to work (Maybe bad timing?).. I tried to sleep him, but it didn't even have any effect? Do you have any experiences on how to counter Assassins?

    Greets,
    Xeg
    risen? u should watch me duel him he said im 1 of the hardest players he duels b:thanks i got faw tactics vs him eventho i dont win evrey time i win fair amount of times
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Winning or loosing battle hardly depends on your tactic. While the nerfing patch will come out, we have to find proper tactic to fight against the psychic and assassin.
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  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Winning or loosing battle hardly depends on your tactic. While the nerfing patch will come out, we have to find proper tactic to fight against the psychic and assassin.

    i got some nice tactic vs sins. on psyc its just seal > kill
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »
    few ideea:





    this expensive


    this skills maybe give enough time for seal or sleep

    That's not a way to kill an assasin, that's 3 ways to delay being killed by them.

    Personaly, I have no clue. I have yet to fight an assasin. Who knows, maybe I'll meet 1 in tonights TW
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That's not a way to kill an assasin, that's 3 ways to delay being killed by them.

    Personaly, I have no clue. I have yet to fight an assasin. Who knows, maybe I'll meet 1 in tonights TW

    delay?
    when u are under stun, u dont need time for once u give a seal and after that maybe they are few hit after udine (acher die too enough fast)

    after lv90 a archer die pretty fast if he dont use genie and uncharmed and sealed from wizz.
  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Well, it were only two duels and I never fought a sin before, so I was hopelessly caught off guard... But talking about sleep and Occult Ice - Don't they have a buff that makes them immune to stuns and movement debuffs? So only seal could work..

    @SurferGirl: Mind posting those tactics here? Or you could whisper me ingame if you like to.

    I am not really the pure PvP person till now, but usually I do fine against most classes. So I guess it is not only my own stupidity. Oh and I have fortify on my genie, planing on getting absolute domain once my genie gets (hopefully..) some more LP.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Assasin has a skil that allows them to dodge status effects. So you can actually miss a seal or a sleep
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • Noxin - Dreamweaver
    Noxin - Dreamweaver Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    But talking about sleep and Occult Ice - Don't they have a buff that makes them immune to stuns and movement debuffs?

    This is correct.

    Happy Gaming

    Nox
    - Lvl 95 Veno, Dreamwaver
    - Lvl 60 Cleric, Dreamwaver
    - Lvl 80 Assa, Dreamwaver
  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Noxin - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This is correct.

    Happy Gaming

    Nox

    *cough*OP*cough* >.< Seal does still work?
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  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Well, it were only two duels and I never fought a sin before, so I was hopelessly caught off guard... But talking about sleep and Occult Ice - Don't they have a buff that makes them immune to stuns and movement debuffs? So only seal could work..

    @SurferGirl: Mind posting those tactics here? Or you could whisper me ingame if you like to.

    I am not really the pure PvP person till now, but usually I do fine against most classes. So I guess it is not only my own stupidity. Oh and I have fortify on my genie, planing on getting absolute domain once my genie gets (hopefully..) some more LP.

    i could show u in person some tricks tho i dont uselly like to post my tactics thats why i didnt said anything in the first place but i guess it will be fine to show u one heh btw even seal sometimes doesnt work they got a buff which is 50% chance to evade all attks affcts sometimes seal wont work either and evrey1 that will duel a sin will know that invisible is a ***** so my tip 2 u guys when fighting 1v1 or duel and the sin go poof just jump and move around he cant stun/ seal / sleep u with range he only got 1 skill in range which only cancel ur chan so jump untill u can see him and there is faw other ways to kill them once u see them but i wont post it here b:shutup

    btw when i duel sins i dont use any genie anti stun skill u dont realy need it if u know what to do + their dmg is pretty nice and they got more crit rate then archers so they most likely to 2 hit u or at least 3
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Make sure you know what every assassin skill looks like, get a friend to teach you or play one yourself. I rerolled assassin and there's a few weaknesses.. meaning you're going to need to abuse cooldowns etc. But yeah you'll have to learn how to live through the first 10-20 secs, because you'll get ***** if you're not careful. And they generally will get the first hit with stealth.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I fought an 8x sin and they are really scary. They do a lot of damage, and those control skills hurt.. That said, after taking the first few hits.. seal -> one shot made it still possible to kill it. I'm really not looking forward to 9x sins though b:cry
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    I fought an 8x sin and they are really scary. They do a lot of damage, and those control skills hurt.. That said, after taking the first few hits.. seal -> one shot made it still possible to kill it. I'm really not looking forward to 9x sins though b:cry
    Do you know what is most important? EVERYBODY MUST send the ticket about OP new classes. Dev. must bring back balance of game. We all have to do that. And also tell them, if they don't fix it, we will not spend real money on game any more. This will help.

    BTW. I didn't wanted new classes. I knew it. The game is VERY unbalanced now.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Do you know what is most important? EVERYBODY MUST send the ticket about OP new classes. Dev. must bring back balance of game. We all have to do that. And also tell them, if they don't fix it, we will not spend real money on game any more. This will help.

    BTW. I didn't wanted new classes. I knew it. The game is VERY unbalanced now.

    I wouldn't do that until I spent some time pvping equal level sins.. Who knows.. if even 9x they are a one shot, I wouldn't say its that OP :P
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    I wouldn't do that until I spent some time pvping equal level sins.. Who knows.. if even 9x they are a one shot, I wouldn't say its that OP :P

    Depend on 1 shot to win duel? It's pretty crazy. I never won duel just with 1 shot. I think is pretty rare.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Don't sins have a skil that prevents one shots?
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »
    Fight in the air

    ^(o.o)
    me find this works out decently.
    b:chuckle
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    ^(o.o)
    me find this works out decently.
    b:chuckle

    But you cannot fight in air in cube. Recently times stupid players started killing another players in cube, boring room. They killed me there 3x times in one day. So what happen if OP assassin will be there? Also my anger and revenge rise with my levels. These players are already on my KO list. One time I will be same level as they are and then ....b:angry
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  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    I wouldn't do that until I spent some time pvping equal level sins.. Who knows.. if even 9x they are a one shot, I wouldn't say its that OP :P
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Don't sins have a skil that prevents one shots?

    yup, called deaden nerves so if you one shot them all you do is tick there charm
    lasts 120 seconds, cool down of 180 seconds so you can meet sins while there deaden nerves is in cool down

    but you can buff and spark under stealth and it doesn't break your stealth until you attack lol
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »
    yup, called deaden nerves so if you one shot them all you do is tick there charm
    lasts 120 seconds, cool down of 180 seconds so you can meet sins while there deaden nerves is in cool down

    but you can buff and spark under stealth and it doesn't break your stealth until you attack lol

    And what about a 2shot?
    Concidering undine deals dmg, it's not a one shot by some terms/

    What exactly does the skil do?
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • Sacronox - Harshlands
    Sacronox - Harshlands Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    And what about a 2shot?
    Concidering undine deals dmg, it's not a one shot by some terms/

    What exactly does the skil do?

    Upon our health reaching zero... it puts us at 20% hp =P So then, our charm would tick and we're back to full.
    4x sin - Sacronox
    3x psy- Aegento
    5x wiz- Kimbley
    3x ea - Mavado

    Raging Tides-
    3x cleric- Ishmael
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    So, it just means you can't die while you're buffed with it?

    That doesn't sound right
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So, it just means you can't die while you're buffed with it?

    That doesn't sound right

    after it activates it's gone, so it will only save you once and at level 10 has a 3min cool down
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »
    after it activates it's gone, so it will only save you once and at level 10 has a 3min cool down

    that's were u force urself into stealth and wait a few mins :P
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  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    that's were u force urself into stealth and wait a few mins :P

    yeaps


    then you amp > tackling slash > RDS > power rush > inner harmony > headhunt

    requires more than 150 chi before you force stealth thou but is some insane damage xD
    or instead of amp you could adv spark while in stealth lol

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